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He welcome to Wales Today. There caravan was at the edge of

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this crumbling cliff. The only people to be rescued following a

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landslide tell us about their terrifying night. It could have cut

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right through the middle of our caravan and we would have been in

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the sea. It shakes you have a bit! A this is all that remains of a

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church in Pembrokeshire which crumbled into the sea after a storm

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in the 1800s. We look at Wales's Also in the programme tonight-

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despite strong opposition, a so- called super-dairy looks set to go

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ahead. The battle to become the Apprentice. This group have been

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hired and now businesses are being encouraged to give more young

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people the opportunity. The it gives you the chance to learn and

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get hands-on experience at the same time. It is excellent. Protecting

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yourself against online crime. How safe is your smartphone?

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And statues, railways and now football pitches, the latest

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Good evening. The only people to be rescued from their caravan during

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the landslide as a leisure park have told Wales Today they are

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lucky to be alive. Angela and Peter Evans were woken from their sleep

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at Porthkerry in the Vale of Glamorgan and told to get out as

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soon as possible. Thousands of tons of rock had crumbled around them.

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They have spoken exclusively to our reporter Kate Scott Williams.

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All smiles today as Angela Evans played with their four month-old

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grandchildren Lacey and Logan. The chance to relax after the dramatic

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events of Monday night. At around 10pm, when the cliff began

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crumbling close to the caravan, Angela and her husband Peter were

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fast asleep in bed, blissfully unaware. The first I knew of it was

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when somebody was banging the door, and I thought it was trickle treats,

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people messing about, so then I looked through the bedroom window

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and I could see metal railings around my caravan, and I thought,

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this is not a joke. This is the view they we used to

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seeing from the front of their caravan, but what they saw on

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Monday night was frighteningly different. The eyes saw lights that

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would normally be across the grass in front of us, and I just saw the

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cliff and the water and 150 odd feet of drop, which is not what you

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like to see out of your front window. Other caravans further

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wrong were evacuated a fortnight ago after initial cracks in the

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ground had appeared, but the Evans's caravan was not thought to

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be at risk. I think I was just in total shock because this is my home,

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and a really didn't expect this when I got outside. It was really

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frightening. Really frightening. It was only the next day that I could

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see the damage, when it got light, and yes, I had reason to be scared.

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It was bad, very bad. Tractors had been used to haul the caravans back

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to safety and they are being pitched elsewhere on the site.

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Peter and Angela are lucky to be alive. The first thing that comes

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to your mind is what could have been, not what actually happened,

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but that fraction of an inch and there was a very long drop. While

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Peter and Angela weight to get back into their caravan, they are

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spending time replying to texts and phone calls, reassuring friends

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that they are safe and well. Remarkable to hear their stories.

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We will return to this later in the programme.

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The Assembly's presiding Officer Rosemary Butler has been caught on

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microphone apparently passing a derogatory comments about a member

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of the Welsh Conservatives during a Senedd debate on the economy. Mrs

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Butler was heard saying "oh here we go now" when the North Wales A M

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Mark Isherwood began a short speech criticising Labour's record on the

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A spokesperson for the National Assembly's providing -- presiding

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officer said she is horrified at the suggestion that, she was heard

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to make during an Assembly debate were aimed at the Conservative a

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remark which -- Mark Isherwood. He has described it as an error of

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judgment, adding the chamber should be a place of open debate and

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unbiased stewardship. The Welsh Ambulance Service has met

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its emergency response time target for the 8th month in a row. The

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service received more than 29,000 calls in September, nearly 70 per

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cent of responses to life- threatening calls arriving within

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eight minutes. The All Wales target is 65 per cent.

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Reforming benefits could undo attempts to improve life chances in

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Wales. That was the message from the First Minister Carwyn Jones

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when he addressed the annual Welfare to Work conference in

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Cardiff. He said plans by the UK government aimed at cutting �7

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billion in welfare spending could have a bigger impact on the less

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well-off. In the economic conditions we live

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in now it is crucial that the UK government starts to shake the

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economy so it can create jobs. I don't think that is happening. It

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is all very well saying we are getting people into employment but

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of the jobs are not there, it is the UK government's responsibility

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to look at their policies to ensure there are more jobs.

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Opponents of plans to build a super-dairy near Welshpool said

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there are surprised and disappointed that the scheme looks

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likely to get the go-ahead. Fraser Jones wants to build a milking

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parlour for 1000 cows in Leighton but local people are worried about

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the impact it could have won the area.

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Milking time at lower Leighton farm. Fraser Jones currently keeps around

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200 milking cows, but all that could change. Yesterday, Powys

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council planning committee went against advice with members saying

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they were minded to approve Mr Jones's application to build a so-

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called super-dairy. I at the moment, Mr Jones milks his

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cows in two cattle sheds behind be, but the plan is to build a brand

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new milking parlour here. He would also build a number of sheds to

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house up to 1000 cows on this field to my right. Now that is worrying

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people living in those red-brick houses across the field, who are

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worried about what the super-dairy could mean for them.

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It Roger Clegg lives in one of the houses. Our concern is of the

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pollution that could be created. We all know there is pollution from

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farms and dust pollution, noise pollution, smell pollution. We are

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assured it will be no worse than it is today, but we won't know until

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it is too late. The spry and we school is a stone's

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throw from where the cows would be kept -- primary school. This is not

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anti- farming but the position that we feel that it is so close to the

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school that it is really in the wrong place. Everybody wants cheap

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food and to get cheap food you have to accept that it will be produced

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in a certain way. Nobody is saying that we do not want a farm like

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this. We are saying we do not want an industrial unit on our doorstep.

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Mr Jones didn't feel it was appropriate to give us an interview

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today, but he did tell us he was pleased with yesterday's decision,

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and he wants to make the proposals a model that the dairy industry can

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be proud of. And he has had backing from the

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National Farmers' Union. He what Fraser is doing is bringing more

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his cows together under one building to make the unit more

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efficient. You can understand that. When costs are a major pressure,

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particularly in this industry and all ages -- industries at the

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moment, we as a dairy industry have to look at cutting costs as much as

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we can. To this wouldn't be the first so-

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called world super-dairy. The facility housing 2000 cows recently

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opened without planning permission near Carmarthen. Councillors are

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still planning to decide what to do with that one, but back in Leyton,

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it seems likely that President's plans will get the go-ahead. In the

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meantime, opponents are exploring their options.

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Still to come: New targets for online criminals. Warnings tonight

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that you need to make your tablet computer as safe as your home PC.

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And why metal thieves have stopped play at this football pitch.

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Back to our main story tonight, and what happened at Porthkerry Leisure

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Park is a powerful reminder of the constant threat of erosion around

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our coastline. Jenny Rees has been finding out more about why events

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like this happen. Every year the Welsh coastline

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reduces by 23 centimetres as nature nibbles away at it. Here at

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Porthkerry the landslide was more substantial. We think we have lost

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two-three metres off the cliff, which translates to around 15,000

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cubic metres of rock or 34,000 tonnes. These are beds of very

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fine-grained material which is quite soft, and those are the dark

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lead -- layers. The lighter layers are much harder limestone. What we

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are looking at is a section of very old rock, 200 million years old,

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which is part of a formation which is very famous across Britain

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because it is famous for fossils, especially down in the region of

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Dorset and Lyme Regis, you get very impressive fossils often, and

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locally we get impressive fossils. What is characteristic and what

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makes it good for fossils is the fact that it is soft and it erodes

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away very, very easily. So that also means that it makes it

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susceptible to these big landslides. Dramatic as this was, it doesn't

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rival what once happened in Pembrokeshire. 50 metres of

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coastline was ripped away from this place during a storm in 1859.

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original church here extended some way out into now what is the CA and

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it had a beach rolling down with votes for fishing and that sort of

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thing -- what is the sea. It took away a huge chunk of that original

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ground surface as well. Events like this may be few and far between but

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coastal erosion is constantly peeling away out past. We are

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looking at sites along the coastline and having medieval

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cemeteries eroded out of them. Literally, Graves appearing in the

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cliff face, then subsequently been washed away. What we are trying to

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do his record these places before they go forever.

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And it is something that is happening all around the UK. Last

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year people were forced to leave homes and so that when they lost

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more than three metres of land to the sea in just one month. -- in

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Suffolk. While these seems melodramatic, experts predict the

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nearby cliffs should remain intact. -- scenes seem dramatic.

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With the UK economy struggling to grow more businesses are being

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encouraged to take on Apprentices to reduce youth unemployment. The

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cream of Wales's young engineers were recognised at an awards

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ceremony today where organisers praised the high standard of those

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just starting out in the Welsh workforce.

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Meet the Apprentices, but they don't work for Alan Sugar. They are

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employed by firms like Airbus, Tata, British Airways and JCB across

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Wales. They are in Mold for an award ceremony to celebrate new

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blood helping to keep engineering and manufacturing alive.

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There was a period up until recently were making things was

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unfashionable. If the recession has taught us anything it is the need

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for a balanced economy. Making things is good. Manufacturing

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employs a lot of people and generates a lot of export and value

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for this country and is built on people. Therefore, if you don't

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have a good supply pipeline of young people coming into the

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industry, it is a serious restriction to growth. 21 year-old

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Richard Wilkins completes his four- year apprenticeship with Airbus

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this week and will go on to work on the new A350 wins at Broughton. --

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wins. He was honoured at today's event and says it has been more

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than just a job. The advanced -- advantage of the apprenticeship is

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unique. You get the best hands-on experience tailored with academic

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qualifications at the same time and it is good to be off Airbus and I

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want to be part of the project in the future. The engineering sector

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in Wales needs to employ 13,500 Apprentices over the next four

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years and there is an especial appeal for more women. It is not

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just days like this that make an apprenticeship a rewarding

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experience. But everyone has to start somewhere.

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These college students in Rhyl are helping to prepare the town's war

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memorial for Remembrance Sunday. There are training for the armed

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forces and say these skills can benefit the 27,000 young people in

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Wales without a job. He maybe people are interested in more

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disciplines and skills. You get a few qualifications out of it.

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nice to get up in the morning and do a full day's work. Some bits of

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haven't even got out of bed so it gives you a good feeling that

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you're doing something -- some people. To get teenagers to do it

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is a hard thing. It is OK once you get into it because it is quite fun,

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but it is getting teenagers to want to do it in the first place.

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the Welsh Assembly government says it will fund the creation of 12,000

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jobs for young people over the next three years and on this evidence

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even Lord Sugar would be happy to A review of business rates has been

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launched by the Assembly Government. There's an independent working

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group seeing whether the government's current policy meets

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the needs of businesses here in Wales.

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There is no wholesale changes. We're looking at tinkering around

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the edges with trying to make the current system more effective, more

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efficient in terms of supporting businesses that want to grow to

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actually have facilities to grow. It is one of the fastest-growing

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crimes and it is estimated it could affect one in eight of us in Wales.

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Electronic crime and identity theft through home computers is nothing

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new but thousands of people using smartphones and tablet computers

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are now becoming victims. Matt Murray reports. Mike and Melanie

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Davies are victims of e-crime. They run a charity trying to help others

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with spinal injuries. It was only when they started receiving endless

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mail in Melanie's name from mobile phone companies, banks and

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insurance firms that they realised something was wrong.

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While no money was being taken from their accounts Melanie's name was

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be used fraudulently to access bank accounts in the north of England.

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Thieves and parasites who can't steal something on their own, they

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have to somebody else's identity. That is absolutely infuriating. It

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has upset the beyond belief. It could have had terrible

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repercussions on the charity. crime is one of fastest growing

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crimes in the world. Today, a conference was held in Cardiff

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highlighting the dangers. It is currently costing the UK economy

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�36 billion a year. Details are often sold on line. People are

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putting their own pace not deter us of Facebook and sharing so much

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information. -- information. It is devices like these that are making

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it easier for the E criminal. Many of us use our smartphones or tablet

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computer as. While on our home computer we might have the right

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security settings of It virus software, many are neglecting to do

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that on these type of devices. James Lyne is a cyber security

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expert. He explained to me how fake wireless hot spots can easily be

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set up and if your smartphone or tablet computer does not have the

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right security settings all your e- mail account information is just a

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click away. I have created a malicious hot spot,

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pretending to be a Starbucks three in why five. I need access my e-

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mail and as they do it, my e-mail refreshes. On this green, this hot

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spot has captured my name and password. It is not really my new

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best might where real password. Lots of it uses come figure their

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iPad this way and they could be giving away their user name and

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password. The worrying thing for Melanie and Mike is, once you have

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been a victim of e-crime there is a higher chance it could happen again

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to you. Assistant Chief Constable Matt

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Jukes from South Wales Police leads the e-Crime group in Wales.

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E-crime is not something you. It certainly seems to be evolving if

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criminals are targeting a smartphones and tablets. Criminals

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are into this. We need people to take the same steps they do us home.

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How widespread is this crime? estimate it could cost the Welsh

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economy �1 billion this year. We know that one in six of the crimes

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occur are reported. We're not 100% sure how widespread it is but we

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know this is a growing threat. is not just young people Larrett

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address, I imagine all of us are. - - young people who are at risk.

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people, the all the community, just as vulnerable as those young people.

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Young people are out there on Facebook, to to creating the role

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for the abilities this are what is your advice for people watching at

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home? Treaty on mobile device as you

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would your home computer. Have your PIN numbers right, use the computer

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settings that that there. Do the basics, you could protect yourself

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at low cost just by using the functions on a mobile device itself.

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It is your job to crackdown on these criminals, how do go about

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doing it? It is about partnership with victims, potential victims,

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trying to encourage people to use the social networking a bit more

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carefully. Keep those details under wraps. We are out there arresting

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people, prosecuting people every month. Many thanks.

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The future of Wales defence coach, Shaun Edwards, is up in the air

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after London Wasps officially confirmed his exit. Edwards spent

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10 years at Wasps winning four league titles and two Heineken Cups.

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He is currently also out of contract with Wales but has been

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linked with coaching posts at the Cardiff Blues and as part of the

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England set-up. Cardiff City travel to fifth placed

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Derby tonight for the Championship clash. Bluebirds manager Malky

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Mackay is relishing the opportunity to take a Nigel Clough's side who

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are this season's surprise package so far. The Bluebirds are also

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hoping to shake off the record of just one win in nine games during

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November in the last two years. They are looking a good team at the

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moment it is going to be tough for us. It is a great stadium

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especially when it is a fall. The pictures always lovely. We're

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looking forward to going up there. We like playing in front a good

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crowds in good football stadiums. There is live match commentary on

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Radio Wales Sport from 7:30pm this evening. Snow, rain is there some

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reasons why a football match could be called off. What about stolen

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pipes? Footballers in the Afan Valley are

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being forced to play their home matches away from the area after

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thieves broke into their changing rooms to steal the copper pipes.

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The pitch stands empty. The beautiful game stopped in his

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tracks. Nigel Gage is picking up the pieces as the culture secretary

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of, fun Football Club is coming to terms with the break-in. -- Cwmafan

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Football Club. The whole Billy was flooded after the pipes were stolen.

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These facilities are used less and the pitch has not been played

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nonsense. The devastation of this with the senior clubs and moving

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away. It is the revenue of the Football Club, the people coming

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back to the Football Club, we are losing the revenue from that.

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month, the changing rooms of two whether local tears were targeted

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by thieves. Gwynfi United and Glyncorrwg FC. The clubs had hoped

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to use the facilities as Croeserw United but the at currently being

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refurbished. That means there is nowhere for the Afan Valley teams

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to play their matches. All for a handful of copper. It is a crime

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that shows no sign of abating. Across the UK, Wales and the local

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communities here, there is a rise in metal theft. Is it used to the

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fact that the price of metals has risen drastically the last few

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years. People are looking to make money from them. We need the help

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of the community, the people dealing in metals, scrap metal

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dealers, to assist us. They will take weeks to repair this football

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club and there are concerns these deaths could hamper the chances of

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It is time for the weather forecast now. There is more of a November

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The wind and rain is heading our way. Let's take a look in more

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detail. This evening, we can look at the record for what has been

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happening over October. A milder month unusual, the 9th warmest on

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record. Dry and warmer than average but tonight we're going to make up

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for it. It is going to be a wet evening. That is a yellow warning

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for seven counties, from Pembrokeshire to Monmouthshire.

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They could be up to 50 mm of rain. It is going to be a wet night. The

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rain making its way north and east what this evening, heavy at times

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but easing off into tomorrow morning. They do linger on over

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parts of the north-east and Powys. Behind their rain band we will see

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the showers getting going. They will be heavier at times and they

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could be mixed with hail of thunder. It will be a mild night with

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temperatures ranging between 12-14 degrees Celsius. We get the wind

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again as we go through the day tomorrow. The pressure showing low

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pressure and the north-west of the UK. That will feed in more weather

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systems are we will see more rain. First thing tomorrow morning, it is

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a wet start across the south-west with hints of brightness and the

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North but quite quickly will cloud over. It is a case of showers

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merging into longer spells of rain, heavy at times with highs of 16

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degrees Celsius. The wind still noticeable and coming from the

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south-east. Tomorrow evening, the showers will become can find to

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this coastal areas. -- can find. Temperatures holding up into double

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figures. A very mild night so make the most of it. As we head into

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Friday, it is a day of sunshine and showers. The showers could be heavy

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mixed with Hale or thunder. The wind will be lighter. Saturday will

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start of dry but cooler. By the evening if you are going to bonfire

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night, it is going to be a wet and windy night. This picture is from

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The headlines from the BBC. The bitter row over plans to reform

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public sector pensions show no abating despite a new offer from

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the government. Under the plans workers retiring of the next 10

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years would be protected add new pensions would grow more quickly.

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Staff will still have to pay higher contributions and many will have to

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work longer. Anyone within 10 years of

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retirement was seen no change in their pension arrangements. At the

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end of all this people and the public sector will actually have

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far better pensions that people are the private sector.

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The German Chancellor says the eurozone plan to save Greece from

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bankruptcy is not up for renegotiation. The German leader

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and presence a cosy of France will hold an emergency meeting with the

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Greek Prime Minister tonight. -- Nicolas Sarkozy.

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The only people to be rescued from a caravan during the last leg at a

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leisure park have told Wales Today they are lucky to be alive. They

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were woken from their sleep at Porthkerry until to get out as soon

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as possible. Thousands of tons of rock had crumbled around them.

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I was just in total shock because this is my home. I did not expect

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to see what I saw when I got outside. It was really frightening,

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redefining. It was only the next day when it became light that I

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