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details throughout the evening. Thank you very much.

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Council budgets across the country are cut. Services are on the line as

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some local authorities face a reduction of nearly five per cent.

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Tonight, the Welsh Government gives the strongest indication yet, that

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we'll all pay the price. I am expecting council tax to go up

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and I think the Public Health Wales would expect council tax to go up.

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Also tonight: The Chief Medical Officer for Wales calls for an end

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to the postcode lottery for cancer drugs.

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Patients do trust that people are doing the best for them, that

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politicians are doing the best for them and they will be treated

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fairly. I now have evidence that there is no fair treatment in Wales.

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Arrested and charged with piracy after trying to scale an oil rig.

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The Welsh Greenpeace activist refused bail by a Russian court.

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And he's our youngest ever international - why this appearance

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means his grandfather can now retire.

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Good evening. Councils across Wales might have to cut services to save

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money. Today, local authorities have been told exactly how much funding

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they'll have to run services like schools, libraries, leisure centres

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and parks. Some will be hit harder than others. Denbighshire, Powys and

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Ceredigion will all have 4.6 per cent less money to spend next year.

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While Newport and Merthyr Tydfil face smaller cuts. Our economics

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correspondent Sarah Dickins looks now at how councils are finding ways

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of working differently to make their money go further.

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This could be a vision of the future. Perhaps all tennis and other

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services. It is run by volunteers since Swansea Council handed it

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over. They have both been winners. It has saved the council ?120,000 a

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year and volunteers have turned around the centre's fortunes. It

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isn't something to be taken lightly but I think if the council can find

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volunteers in people who are prepared to put in the hours, it

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works. That kind of community role may be

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something we see more of in Wales when the announced cuts take effect.

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Councils have known for months that cuts are on the way and they have

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discussed priorities. Now they have to make decisions. They know change

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is inevitable and some have already found different ways of working.

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This is the first time we have done thing like this regarding the

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budget. These Monmouth residents have come together to tell their

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council houses in the cost should be cut.

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How can we spend limited resources putting in place what we think

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people will want without knowing what they want? Today Monmouthshire

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has heard it is facing one of the biggest levels of cuts- 4.4%.

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Would you be prepared to see your council tax go up to cope with this

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or do we need a more radical think, do you think?

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In my case I think I could afford to pay the council tax but some people

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can't. The services we have at the moment should be capped.

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The recycling trolleys here are a practical result of consultation.

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The council asked what would make things easier to recycle and the

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council is now making money from what goes into the trolleys.

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This scheme with the trolley box is from the idea of the residents. They

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have said they wanted to be made easier and they the boxes to be

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easily handled and that is what we have done. Enrich the last place in

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Wales to change from weekly to fortnightly bin collections and it

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has looked to other councils on advice on how to change.

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I am grateful to my colleagues in other authorities that have shared

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with us there experiences. We have learnt from what they have been

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through. The challenge for all communities is how to cope with the

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cuts. It may mean things being run

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differently or by different people but some services may be cut, like

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toilets in Ambridge. Cancel proposals include closing seven and

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getting a private company to run 65 others. It will save the council

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have ?1 million. -- half ?1 million. I think people need amenities.

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I think it is disgusting because where our visitors to the town going

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to go smack I think that is bad really, isn't it?

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You have got to have somewhere. There are many ideas about the way

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forward, from getting together to keep your club going to setting up a

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literary. -- lottery. Council now know what they have to work with and

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will have to start making difficult decisions. What we expect from our

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councils is likely to looks different by the end of the decade.

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Councils do raise much of their funds for services through the

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council tax we pay. And we've heard the strongest indication so far from

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the Welsh government this evening that bills could rise in the years

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to come. The local government minister Lesley Griffiths has been

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speaking to our political editor Nick Servini who joins me now.

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What did the Minister have to say? Lesley Griffiths wrote to the local

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authorities telling them to expect English style reductions.

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She said tonight they were nowhere near as bad as some of the cuts in

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English councils that they have had three years to prepare for this and

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as a result, they need to take the public with them with any changes

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that will be introduced. One of the critical point that is what they

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will decide to do about council tax rises. She could cap any council tax

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increases if she wants to. It will be up to the local authorities what

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they decide to do. Last week we had the chief executive of the Welsh

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local government Association which represents all the councils saying

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it would lead to pressure on Castle tax rises and this afternoon --

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Castle tax rises -- council tax rises.

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I am expecting council tax to go up and I expect the public will think

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so as well for top I have a figure in my head and we will see what they

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come forward with. They have suggested about 3.5%.

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Does that seem about right to you? I would say net is probably about

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right but into each authority comes up with a figure, I would rather not

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pass comment. If we look at an increase of about

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3.5% on an average property that would be an increase next year of

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more than ?40 so just under ?4 a month.

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There has been some criticism of Rhondda Cynon Taf council.

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They describe the cat as Armageddon style -- cuts as Armageddon style. A

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Labour run local authority leaving the conservative coalition and as it

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did so, it announced plans to close more than half of its libraries and

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day centres. It was interesting that a Labour minister at the Assembly,

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Lesley Griffiths, in effect slapped them down for this from what she

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said was an over the top use of language. The cancel tonight said

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the cuts are even worse than they envisaged -- the cancel tonight. One

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of the questions is who is going to be blamed for these cuts? Rhondda

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Cynon Taf council want the blame to lie with the Conservatives but

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others will place the blame closer to home. You can find the details of

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each council's budget on our website.

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The Chief Medical Officer for Wales is warning tonight that access to

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cancer drugs in Wales needs to be more consistent. Ruth Hussey's

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comments following a BBC investigation which found that the

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type of cancer drug you're given depends on where you live. Helen

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Callahan has been speaking to two patients in neighbouring health

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boards who have had very different experiences.

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These friends were diagnosed with the same advanced ovarian cancer but

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their NHS experience here in Wales couldn't have been more different.

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Gene from Neath was given a drug that Annie from Cardiff was not.

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I feel I am lucky being this health authority because they are finding

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it for us that when I see a friend of mine who can't get it, I feel

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quite cross about that. I feel it is a postcode lottery. When I was

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diagnosed with cancer, I didn't understand all of this and patients

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do trust that people are doing the best for them, that politicians are

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doing the best for them and they will be treated fairly.

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This drug is not normally available on the NHS because it is judged to

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be too expensive but patients can get this and other drugs like it by

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making an individual patient funding request.

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They have to convince a panel in their health board area that their

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case is exceptional. All seven panels in Wales follow the same

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guidelines but some panels are more likely to say no than others.

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Our exclusive figures show that there is indeed a huge variation

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when it comes to giving out other and approved cancer drugs. -- and

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approved. The Chief Medical Officer for Wales now acknowledges there are

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feelings. This policy was introduced as an all

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Wales policy and we have looked at is this year and seen that we need

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to make some improvement and this confirms that from a patient

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perspectives work is underway to do that and we must continue to develop

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a fair and transparent approach. These friends and others like them

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across Wales say a system review can't come soon enough.

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You can see more on this story on The Wales Report, here on BBC One

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Wales at 10:35pm tonight with Huw Edwards.

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A British solider killed while on patrol in Afghanistan has been named

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as Lance Corporal James Brynin of the 14th Signal Regiment, which is

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based in Pembrokeshire. The 22-year-old from West Sussex was on

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his second tour to Afghanistan as an intelligence analyst when he died in

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Helmand Province on Tuesday. The First Minister has warned that

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major road projects, like the M4 relief road, could be delayed by the

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UK government's delay in granting the Welsh Government borrowing

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powers. Carwyn Jones was speaking in Downing Street after meeting David

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Cameron and UK Cabinet ministers, who rejected his claim.

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Some of the major road projects will not go ahead unless we have the same

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powers as every other government elsewhere in the UK. The same goes

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if we are borrowing and it is difficult to see how we will pay for

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it. I would gently point out actually

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that it is the responsibility of the Welsh government to upgrade roads

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and it has been for the last 13 years. Frankly, the condition of the

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M4, which he is primarily concerned about, is a consequence of lack of

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maintenance of the last 13 years which was the responsibility of the

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Welsh government to carry out. A Welsh Greenpeace activist who's

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being held in Russia on piracy charges has been denied bail.

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Anthony Perrett from Newport was arrested at gunpoint along with 30

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other campaigners after a protest near an Arctic oil rig. Jordan

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Davies has more. Anthony Perrett peering behind bars

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in a Russian court. He and five other Britons have now spent nearly

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a month in this jail Russia all charged with piracy which in Russia

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carries a 15 year sentence. Today the judge denied him bail.

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I have been in Anthony's position and I was arrested in a similar

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position. He will be missing his family and his friends. He will know

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that Greenpeace are trying to get him out of there but he will be

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extremely concerned by the fact that he could be facing charges of up to

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15 years in jail for this sort of ludicrous charge of piracy.

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All 30 activists were detained by armed officers when they tried to

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tie themselves to a Russian Arctic oil rig. Greenpeace says drilling in

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Arctic seas is a disaster waiting to happen. Something the owners of the

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platform deny. The activist... Plight has been

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raised through demonstrations throughout the world. Anthony

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Perrett, a tree surgeon, joined after a stint as a town councillor

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in cold cart. His case has been raised by the Foreign Secretary and

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Welsh MPs. Today his girlfriend met officials in London. A full trial

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will need to take place before any sentence is passed but concern is

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growing for the activist now approaching their second month

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behind bars. Coming up on the programme - we

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reflect on Wales' final World Cup qualifier. After the excellent draw

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in Belgium - will Wales move forward with manager Chris Coleman?

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And following in the footsteps of royalty - a new project in Snowdonia

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traces the lives of Wales' medieval kings How many politicians should

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there be in the Senedd in Cardiff Bay? How many politicians should

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there be in the Senedd in Cardiff Bay? Well, according to a report

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published today, the 60 Assembly Members there now are over-stretched

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so the number should be increased to 100 at a cost of ?10 million a year.

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But opponents say there's little public appetite for more

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politicians. Our political reporter James Williams has been crunching

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the numbers. It was a close thing in 1997 but

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Wales voted yes to an Assembly with 60 members. This compares with 129

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politicians in the Scottish Parliament, 108 in Northern Ireland

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while Cardiff Council has 75 representatives. The original plan

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was for the Assembly to have 80 members but this number was reduced

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to 60 but with the Welsh Assembly having seen it powers increase since

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then, some say this number should be expanded to 100. When you look at

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the workload facing Assembly Members, they are clearly struggling

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to hold the Welsh government to account effectively.

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The Welsh government controls ?15 billion a year and is responsible

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for aspects of daily life in Wales and we need a strong legislature

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holding them to account and it looks like 60 is not enough. What does it

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entail? When they are not attending to

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constituency business, they spend around 30 weeks a year in the

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Assembly and pick up ?53,000 a year unless they join any other

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committees. I am a member of a couple of committees and I sit on

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enemies. I sit on three committees. I speak

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on to committees. The report argues that as every

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members are overstretched. Plaid Cymru and the Liberal

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Democrats agree more Assembly Members are needed but Labour says

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it is premature to speculate. Conservatives disagree. What the

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public are telling me is they want politics to come cheaper and what

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they want is good governance. We need to make sure that we connect

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with the electorate and we stand up to the issues that concern our

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communities and ultimately deliver improvements in Wales. At a cost of

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?10 million a year, this may be something the public does not wish

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to answer at this time of austerity but if devolution is a process, it

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is a question which may need answering in the years to come.

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So Wales ended their World Cup campaign on a high out in Belgium.

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But where now for manager Chris Coleman? Ashleigh's here with

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tonight's sport. Chris Coleman says he won't rush

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into a decision about his future despite last night's excellent draw

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against Belgium - a team who tipped to do well at next year's World Cup.

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Aaron Ramsey's late equaliser has certainly helped Coleman's cause and

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tonight, one former international told me that the FAW "would be mad"

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not to offer him a new deal. The clock is ticking on Chris

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Coleman's Wales contract as it runs at next month. He had asked his

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bosses not to judge him on the final two games but as it happens, they

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went rather well. Last night's draw in Belgium meant the campaign

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finished more strongly than it started. He says he is undecided

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about carrying on but others argue continuity is vital. They would be

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mad not to offer Chris is a new deal.

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Whether Chris accepts that, it is down to Chris Coleman. I think the

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last two games have been very encouraging. They have shown me that

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the players want to play for Chris. We have had some frustrating results

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and inconsistent performances and I think that goes because we haven't

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had our best payers playing all the time. It is debatable whether fifth

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place in the group represents progress.

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The football Association Wales will now have to decide whether to offer

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Chris Coleman another campaign. There is a better chance of us

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qualifying now. We have to give him another go.

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I think Wales should have patience with him because we have not had the

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easiest group. I don't think there is anyone else for the job so it is

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a tricky one. The World Cup campaign has had it

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moments but maybe too few as injuries hit the squad. That is

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something no international manager can control.

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Coleman also made a bit of history last night, sending on Liverpool

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winger Harry Wilson, aged 16 years and 207 days, to become our youngest

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full international - taking the record off a certain Gareth Bale. Of

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course, it was a special evening for Harry's family, but especially his

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granddad, who now says he can retire after collecting the winnings from a

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?50 bet he'd placed on his grandson when he was just a toddler. Matt

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Murray's been to meet him. Peter Edwards is a proud

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grandfather. He always knew his grandson would be good enough to pay

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professionally and he placed a bet that in the year 2000 when he was

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just a toddler. Peter walked into the bookmakers and wondered what he

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could get unhappy one day playing for Wales.

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What odds will you give me for a pet and I thought to myself, if I could

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get 1000 /1 I would take it. They offered me 2500/1 and I took it.

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His grandfather was watching in a caravan when Harry made his debut.

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He came onto the pitch as the youngest player in Welsh history,

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beating Gareth Bale I100 eight days. -- 108 days.

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I intend to work another year. I will be 63 this Christmas. I was

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going to finish at 64 but because of that, I finished this morning. What

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are we talking? ?100,000?

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More. ?150,000? The figure is around

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?125,000. Today his family are just proud. Tell me what it is like? He

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used to play football in here with me.

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He would kick a ball until he was about two years old when he broke

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the lights. They were shattered. My husband was working and I had to get

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somebody in to fix it temporarily until he came home. We allowed him

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to have a balloon after that is a safer option.

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How many times did you replace the lights? Three times.

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The youngster had been at football since he was eight.

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Last night's appearance means Harry will not be able to play for England

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in future if they show an interest. His grandparents will now be

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watching him every step of the way that he will be driving two games

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now in a new Jaguar. Independent auditors say they can't

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rule out fraud after examining the accounts of the Welsh amateur boxing

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Association. The firm say they cannot account for her 30% of the

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income over a three year period was spent. They described the

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organisation is not fit for purpose and recommend it changes before they

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can receive any more public money. Last year they receive grants of up

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to ?200,000 for. And this rugby club is only just getting back on its

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feet after a fire destroyed part of its clubhouse but now these have

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broken in and stolen rugby shirts donated by Rob Howley.

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It is the third robbery at the club in three days.

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That is to night's sport. Visitors to Snowdonia are being

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encouraged to follow in the footsteps of royalty. The Princes of

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Gwynedd project has linked 30 sites which played a significant role in

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the lives of Wales' medieval monarchy. From Conwy to Criccieth

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walkers and cyclists can follow the rise and fall of the dynasty which

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shaped the nation. Their names may not be as familiar

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as they once were, but Llywelyn the Great united more of Wales than

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anyone had before. His grandson Llywelyn the Last came to a sticky

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end near Builth Wells resisting Edward First's army in 1282. To keep

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their legacy alive for the 21st century Conwy and Gwynedd council

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together with Cadw the historic monuments body put their thinking

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caps on. It is our heritage and it mustn't be

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forgotten and unless we do this sort of project a couple of generations

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down the line, the heritage will be dilutive even further so it is

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important to keep it alive and explain it and that people

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understand where we have come from. They've created routes linking 30

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locations across Snowdonia which played big parts in the lives of the

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Princes of Gwynedd and the legends which surround them.

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It is not doing it in an academic or overly sadistic way. A lot of sexes

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can engage with it. That is the point. If you are looking for a week

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of following the story -- a knot of sectors can engage with it.

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As well as bringing in an extra 12,000 visitors to Snowdonia over

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the next year, the project should refresh an often neglected part of

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our past. Quite a few schools go back as far

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as the Tudors and the Romans and there is nothing in between but it

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is an important part in Welsh history because it is the formation

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of Wales and where are legend originate.

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The groups behind this project hope that this will become a well trodden

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path as we learn more about these princes. Way markers and

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interpretation boards are dotted throughout incredible scenery to

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paint a vivid picture of the princes and the principality they left

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behind. Well, I think you may need your wet

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weather gear if you're thinking of heading to any of those sites over

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the next few days. Quite a bit of rain about, Benny?

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We are expecting heavy rain for the weekend and Friday but this evening

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is not bad. The milder night compared to the last few nights. A

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few showers to deal with and quite a bit of cloud around. Quite breezy

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but not as windy as it was today. A mild night temperatures in double

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figures. High-pressure just about taking charge through tomorrow just

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for the day, taking things fairly quietly but low pressure is not far

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away with wet and windy conditions as we go in to Friday. First in

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tomorrow morning it is easy but at least we have some brightness to

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look forward to. A few showers batted around that many of us

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getting away with a Friday and feeling pleasant with highs of 17

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Celsius in Cardiff. As we go into tomorrow evening, the showers will

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fizzle out and we will see low-level cloud with mist and fog into early

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hours of Friday morning. Temperatures should remain in double

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figures and then into Friday morning, that rain will push its way

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in from the south-west and Anthony the cloud and rain it won't feel as

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pleasant. -- Anthony cloud and rain. It will be slow to clear. A

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miserable day on Friday but over the weekend a mixture of sunshine and

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showers and breezy at times. Councils across Wales might have to

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cut services to save money. Local authorities have beans told how much

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funding they will have to run services like schools, libraries and

:27:23.:27:29.

leisure centres. Some will get 4% less from the Welsh government next

:27:30.:27:30.

year. We'll have an update at 8:00pm, more

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news at 10:25pm. For now though from all of us on the programme, thanks

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for watching. Have a good evening.

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