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the windscreen first thing in the morning. That is all from

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Welcome to Wales Today. Our top story: The map of Wales redrawn. A

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massive reorganisation of local authorities and the end of the road

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for some local councils. We need councils which are properly

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democratically accountable. They should have the critical mass to

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deliver in education and planning and social services. We're jumping

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in the Capri to go back to the 1970s. Haven't we done local

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government with big councils before? This is just the start of a

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difficult process that will affect thousands of people. We can expect a

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rocky ride over coming months. Our other headlines: Fred Pring may

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have survived had an ambulance reached him within an eight minute

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target, an inquest hears. At the other end of the country, an

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inquiry begins into the death of a man who had to wait for four hours

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in the back of an ambulance. This man has been called a dangerous

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criminal and the Home Office wants to deport him, so why was he sent to

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live in Newport? Good evening. A long-awaited report

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into the future of public services has recommended a dramatic reduction

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in the number of councils in Wales. The Williams Commission says a

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series of mergers should be carried out to cut the 22 local authorities

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down to a maximum of 12, but possibly as few as ten. Tonight,

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what it all means for your council and the services you use. I've also

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been asking the First Minister why change is the only option. First to

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our Political Editor, Nick Servini. I am in one of the grand old

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debating chambers for Wales. This used to belong to mid Glamorgan

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county council which disappeared in the last round of reorganisation in

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the 1990s. The not going to see the return of mid Glamorgan but to some

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extent we could see an element of a return to the past with the creation

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of a much bigger councils across Wales. That will ring it concerns

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about public democratic accountability, concerns about cost

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and concerns about the quality of public services. That will bring

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with it. Put all this be about to change?

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After being talked about for years and analysed in detail over the past

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eight and is, a vision to reorganise our local councils is being

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published. It is all aimed at improving public services. The

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Williams commission believes the current 22 should be reconfigured

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through a series of mergers. Wrexham will join with Flintshire, Gwynedd

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with Anglesey, Conway with Denbighshire, Newport will merge

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with Monmouthshire, Cardiff with the Vale of Glamorgan, Lena Gwent with

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Torfaen and Caerphilly, Rhondda Cynon Taff and Merthyr Tydfil,

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Bridgend with Neath Port Talbot, Swansea and Carmarthenshire will

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stay as individual councils, but Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire will

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merge. That makes 12 separate local authorities. But if that is still

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too many then one proposal is for Swansea the joint meet or Talbot and

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Bridgend while Carmarthenshire will merge with Ceredigion and

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Pembrokeshire to recreate the old county of Devon. Ceredigion is one

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of the best performing authorities within Wales and it seems for us

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very and fear that we're going to see our efforts to you did. It had a

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mixed reaction in Haverfordwest. It rather depends on who you merge

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with. We must be a bit too small to work on our own. It is economies of

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scale really. There are 22 authorities and it is not still

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single. The commission know some of these recommendations will be

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controversial but it has talked about the urgent need to change, not

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only with the 22 and sustainable. It said some may collapse now because

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they are too small. There is bound to be resistance. Nobody likes

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change. Everybody has been working hard and some small authorities have

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done very well. But on reflection, it is pretty clear that many are

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just too small to cover the breadth of their responsibilities. There was

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no figure put on potential job losses but the commission believes

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reorganisation will eventually lead to savings of between ?60 million

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and ?80 million a year. There will be disruption because services will

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be trying to carry on running at a time when the organisations which

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provide the mark in a process of transition but in the longer term it

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is possible. But they will be an upfront costs. Williams claims it

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will be around ?100 million and much of that will be due to redundancies.

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Others say it will be greater. What we want to know is that we are the

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going to go down the process with cats and cutbacks and how are we

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going to pay for this? There are quite a few upfront costs. Something

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like ?200 million. The commission rejected proposals to hand over one

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of the most expensive services that councils provide, social care, to

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the NHS. But in Powys it recommends that the council should be merged

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with the local health board as it does not run any major hospitals in

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the county. The last reorganisation took place nearly 20 years ago. The

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hope is that if it happens this time around, it will last longer.

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Commissions come and go and I don't think it's going to happen because

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there is political consensus for change. All the opposition parties

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are pretty much saying the number needs to be reduced and one of the

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first things Carwyn Jones will do is to hold discussions to get

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cross-party support at the assembly.

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So could the plans improve council services like our schools, and would

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people be willing to pay more council tax to fund the merger of

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smaller authorities? One of the biggest changes could be in the

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Gwent area where three councils could become one. Paul Heaney has

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been to three villages there to see if a similar model to the 1970's big

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councils could return. Back in the 1970s, the Capri was the

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must have car and this was the music topping the chart. In 1974 the old

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Gwent County Borough Council was formed and then scrapped in the

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mid-90s in favour of the smaller councils we have today. But could we

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be better off in future and get better services from our local

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authorities if some of them were made larger and covered the kinds of

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areas the old County Borough councils used to cover? Here with

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the borders of Caerphilly, Torfaen and Blaenau Gwent local authorities

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meet, how do people feel about the local authority perhaps merging with

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one of their neighbours? Blaenau Gwent is just one of six authorities

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in special measures for education which means they are not improving

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things quickly enough. I am in the south of the county borough to meet

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a headteacher and he lives nearby. The experts on education are the

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teachers who are teaching in the classroom so in a bigger authority

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you have teachers love a wider range of experience they can share with

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their colleagues. -- teachers who have a wider range. A larger

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authority may mean greater expertise but could small communities struggle

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to be heard? I think it would have advantages and disadvantages. At the

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moment it would be a worry to us that we would lose the connections

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we have already made. Over the last two years we have built up close

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connections with people in Torfaen. At the moment, I would prefer this.

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Down the road is Caerphilly County Borough which has lower council tax

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for band D properties than some of its neighbours but that could change

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with a merger. I would not mind paying more if the facilities

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improved. But it did not improve when we went bigger before. I would

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be glad to see the old council back. This was a trip through three local

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authorities likely to join together but the real journey starts when the

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Welsh Government make a decision on which route to take next.

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Well, earlier I asked the First Minister what was going to happen

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next. I have just had the report. The first thing is to consider that

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and for the other parties to consider that. We would like to take

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this forward on a cross-party basis. The report says quite clearly that

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change has to happen sooner rather than later. If councils want to

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merge now, what is stopping them? If that is what they wish to do, that's

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fine. We need an understanding first of all of the number of councils.

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Williams as suggested more or less what those councils should look like

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apart from in two areas of Wales where there is still an open

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question. What is important is that we have a structure that can

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deliver. When we are on the journey, we need the tools to do it. We

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already have the all Wales ambulance service and a number of small health

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boards that look after the health service in Wales. Both plagued with

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difficulties. Who says unnecessarily big is going to deliver? If you look

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at social services, they are difficulties in recruiting people.

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New people come in, they are thrown in at the deep end because there is

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no one there to mental them. You don't have that critical mass of

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people and that cannot go on in the future. We have planning department

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that can deal with everyday planning applications but the struggle when

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something big comes in. When it comes to education we've had local

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education authorities that have struggled for some time and one

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council had to be taken over. That is not a sustainable model. If this

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gets strung out until after the election it will cause enormous

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problems. I agree. The change that would be required would have to be

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by way of a bill. There are difficulties following the normal

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legislative processes of getting such a bill up and running and done

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by the next assembly elections in 2016. What would have to be looked

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at is whether there was a way of taking it through more quickly. It

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is up for government to demand that and we need to work on that. This is

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a change that needs cross-party support. But you are right to say

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that my preference would be that we deal with this quickly and that we

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have in place a structure by the next assembly election that can

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start to deliver. That does depend on all parties here coming to the

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viewers to watch process should be used.

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Unacceptable delays in getting an ambulance to a seriously ill man

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prevented him getting to hospital in time to receive treatment. That was

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the coroner's conclusion at the end of the inquest into the death of

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74-year-old Fred Pring from Mynydd Isa near Mold. His wife made four

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999 calls and waited eight minutes for an ambulance. By then, her

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husband was dead. Roger Pinney reports.

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48 crucial minutes. 48 minutes which may have made the difference between

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life and death for Fred Pring. 48 minutes during which his wife

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watched him slip away. Obviously there has been a breakdown of trust.

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That is how it has left me feeling. Fred Pring had been an active man

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working as a gardener before chronic ill-health forced to retire. When he

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developed chest pains his wife made a string of 999 calls. The first was

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a moment has passed one in the morning. The operator said help was

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being organised. Ten minutes later she called again. The third call was

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made just under 20 minutes later. The operator told her help was on

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its way. On the fourth call, she told the operator, my husband has

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just died. It's too late. A few minutes later three balances

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arrived. On the night Fred Pring died five blitzes were queueing

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outside Wrexham's hospital waiting to drop of patients. -- five

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ambulances. It is with deep regret we did not have a numberless

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available for her husband in time and we are working together with the

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health wards and Welsh Amblin service to ensure that our busy

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departments are available to those patients who need them most

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urgently. The coroner warned that without changes there was a risk

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more people could die. I don't say for a moment that there are not

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difficult days during the winter when there is a sudden surge in

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demand and it's very difficult to turn the tap of supply on quickly.

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There are some geographical hotspots we know we're further progress needs

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to be made. But the big picture right across Wales are undoubtedly

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is one of seven -- significant improvement in performance. This

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afternoon there were four and the list is parked outside Wrexham

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hospital but as far as we could see there were no delays off-loading

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patients. The coroner says he wants to prevent further deaths.

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At the other end of the country an urgent review has been ordered

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following the death of a patient who'd had to wait for over four

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hours in an ambulance outside the Princess of Wales Hospital in

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Bridgend. The local health board says the review will try to find out

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whether the patient's death could have been avoided. Our health

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correspondent, Owain Clarke, is here. What more can you tell us? The

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58-year-old man died last Thursday after being admitted to AMD. Before

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being admitted he spent over four hours waiting outside the hospital

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in an ambulance. The health board insists that the patient had been

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assessed during a doctor and that paramedics were present. They say

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there is no way of knowing at this stage whether or not the delay had

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any effect on his health. So that is why an urgent review is now

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underway. The coroner has been informed and the police are helping

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out and assisting. But these details along with what we have heard in

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North Wales, clearly cast light on some of the intense pressure faced

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by the ambulance service. The Amblin service says it is looking

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internally at all this but it would be wrong to put all the blame on the

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service itself. -- the ambulance service.

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You're watching Wales Today. Still to come before 7:00pm: In the

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relegation battle. Two managers with a job on their hands to keep their

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clubs in football's top flight. Newport MP Paul Flynn has written to

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the Home Secretary demanding to know why a violent gang leader has been

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relocated to the city. Mr Flynn says there's deep outrage that Joland

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Giwa, who ran a street gang in South London, has been ordered by a court

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to stay at a hostel in Newport. The Home Office says they opposed his

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bail and want him deported. Nick Palit reports.

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Joland Giwa's street name is Dexter. He was leader of a gang in Croydon

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called DSN. This video, posted on Youtube and aired at his recent

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immigration trial, shows him when he was just 16 boasting of his gangs'

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violent activities. Giwa arrived in this country on a flight from

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Nigeria at the age of ten saying he was from Sierra Leone. Now, branded

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a dangerous criminal, the Home Office want to deport him, but he

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has no identity papers and neither country recognises him as a

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national. Now, a court's sent him to live in this quiet street in

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Newport. The police describe Joland Giwa is a

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serious threat. Before coming to Newport, the gang leader served a 27

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month sentence for robberies and has been in immigration detention for

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more than four years awaiting deportation. Last month a High Court

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judge ruled it would be illegal to detain him any longer so he was

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released on condition that he stays at this hostel where electronic tag

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and that he reports twice a week to the UK border agency. But residents

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of York Place are furious that he's been sent to live in their street. I

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don't think it's good for the area. There are a lot of kids living on

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the street. It's pretty bad. It will cause a lot of problems. The local

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MP Paul Flynn has written to the Home Secretary saying there's deep

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outrage that a dangerous criminal has been sent to live in Newport. A

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view backed up by the local councillor for Stow Hill who's angry

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that people in the area were not consulted. I think as a local

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representative, I would have liked to have been consulted. The police

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may have had a good reason for placing him in Newport but I would

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have liked to have heard the reasons. In a statement the Home

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Office say Giwa will be subject to rigorous monitoring and they'll be

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continuing to fight for his removal from the UK. That's little comfort

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on this street in Newport where they find themselves with a neighbour

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they'd rather not have. A judge at Cardiff Crown Court has

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ordered a verdict of not guilty in the case of Thomas Doran, who was

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accused of slavery offences after a raid on a farm on the outskirts of

:20:32.:20:34.

Newport last September. The prosecution offered no evidence

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against Mr Doran. A man has been found guilty of the

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murder of Sam Blackledge, who died after being punched outside the Pen

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y Bont pub in Abergele in July last year. Anthony Smith will be

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sentenced next month. His partner, Tracey Jones, who managed the pub,

:20:50.:20:53.

was convicted of manslaughter. The First Minister has told MPs that

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a target of 2017 for a referendum on tax-varying powers is "ambitious".

:20:58.:20:59.

Giving evidence to Westminster's Welsh Affairs Select Committee,

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Carwyn Jones once again called for "fairer" funding for Wales,

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insisting that income tax raising powers would be of no benefit to the

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people of Wales until the current funding model is changed.

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The Cambrian Coast railway line may not fully reopen until mid-May

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because of flood damage at Tywyn, Barmouth and Criccieth. Network Rail

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says an aerial survey shows the line north from Barmouth to Pwllheli

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suffered the "most devastating damage" following the tidal storms

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along the coast. Tonight's sport now. Here's Claire.

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Good evening. There's not much between them but both of Wales'

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Premier League teams have been dragged deeper into the relegation

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battle. Cardiff City boss, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, insists they can

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stay up even though they're bottom of the table after losing at

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Manchester City. Swansea City are only three points better off, after

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losing 3-1 at home to Spurs. It is shaping up to be one of the

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most tense finishes in Premier League history and nobody in the

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bottom half is safe including Swansea City. They have not won at

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home for eight matches after Spurs beat them 3-1. The table is

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incredibly tight. Six separate the bottom 11 clubs and Swansea 's next

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four league matches against Fulham, West Ham, Cardiff and Stoke are

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against teams also fighting for their futures. It is a month that

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could make a break their season. Swansea are getting desperate for a

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win. No need for panic on the streets but anxiety levels are

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desperately creeping up. It is about time they started winning. We need

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results against the teams we are battling against. We've had a lot of

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bad luck with injuries. They need to start winning some home games.

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Cardiff City 's predicament is even worse. They are bottom. They lost up

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much as the city but two good goals and a 4-2 defeat was better than

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many clubs have managed at Manchester City. Despite losing his

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first two Premier League games, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer says he's they will

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stay up. But some observers believe he needs to bring in a top

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goal-scorer. He has got a big signing to make and he needs

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somebody who can get some goals. If they can get an extra striker or

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somebody with Premier League experience to get than ten or 12

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games before the end of the season, that could lead the difference

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between survival and going down. Their next match is at Manchester

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United where Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is a hero. For once he will be

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desperate for his old club Toulouse. Welshman Elfyn Evans finished sixth

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on his debut in the Monte Carlo Rally. The 24-year-old from

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Dolgellau survived treacherous conditions on the final night to

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bring his Ford Fiesta home safely. He said he was delighted with his

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first outing in the famous event. The team travel to Sweden for the

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next rally which starts on February fifth.

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Rugby and the Wales squad have arrived in camp today to start their

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preparations for the Six Nations, but another injury blow for Warren

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Gatland tonight. Ryan Jones has withdrawn from the squad due to a

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hamstring injury. Wales are bidding to win an historic third outright

:24:12.:24:14.

title in succession but several senior players are facing a battle

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to be fit in time for their opener at home to Italy on February first.

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Derek's here with the weather forecast. How are things looking

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this week? Changeable. It's been dry today

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apart from a few showers. Some sunshine and light winds but there

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is more rain on the way. And if you're travelling, watch out for

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some fog and frost. Tonight, dry. Mist and fog patches forming with a

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fairly widespread frost. Temperatures in Powys falling as low

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as -2C. The wind picking-up in the west so staying above freezing

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there. Tomorrow's chart shows low pressure over the Atlantic. A front

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over Ireland. And that's heading our way. Here's the picture for 8:00am

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in the morning. A cold start. Some mist and fog, especially towards the

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border. Further west, breezier, especially on the coast, so fog less

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of a problem. The odd spot of light rain but otherwise dry. During the

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morning, fog will lift into low cloud. It may brighten-up for a time

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but rain will gradually spread from the west during the afternoon.

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However, places near and along the border may stay dry until after

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dark. The southeasterly breeze picking-up with top temperatures

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around 6C to 9C. In Pembrokeshire tomorrow, a dry start. Turning wet

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in the afternoon. Windy on the coast and on the Preselis with a high of

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8C in Crymych. In Radnorshire, mist and fog will lift. Dry until late

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afternoon and early evening. Feeling chilly with a high of 5C in

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Knighton. 6C in Rhayader. Tomorrow evening, rain for most of the

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country. Wettest on the high ground in the south and west. Around 20mm

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on Black Mountain. Much less rain on the north coast in Rhyl. Overnight,

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the rain will clear to a few showers. Wednesday, mist and fog

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patches will lift. Some dry weather and sunshine but showers as well.

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Thursday will be breezy. Some rain and showers. A little snow on higher

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ground, hills and mountains. Friday will start dry but there is more

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rain on the way with a wet end to the day. Turning colder and windy

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over the weekend. Back to our main story. A major

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report into our public services has recommended merging councils,

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bringing the number down from 22 to no more than 12. A final word with

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our Political Editor, Nick Servini. What's the message you took away

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from today? The publication of a report like this by implication is a

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damning indictment of the last set of reorganisation in the 90s because

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they have lasted less than 20 years and created councils that clearly

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the authors of this report thought were unsustainable. After the news

:26:53.:26:58.

conference this morning the author even floated the idea that some of

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the smaller councils in Wales may be at the point of financial collapse

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right now. As a result, there are problems. The authors were pretty

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scathing of what's happened and Welsh councils to try and share

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services. They protect -- the trade a picture of confusion and even not

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knowing how many partnerships were there. The other striking element is

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the time frame. That is a tight time frame and even talk of the Welsh

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Government having discussions with councils right now about the

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changes. We'll have an update for you here at

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8:00pm and again after the BBC News at 10:00pm. That's Wales Today. From

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all of us on the programme, good evening.

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