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Hello, this is Breakfast, with Charlie Stayt and Sally Nugent.

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The Chancellor accused of breaking an election promise

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Employed and self-employed alike use our public services in the same way,

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but they are not paying for them in the same way.

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announcement makes the system fairer but faces criticism from Tory

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backbenchers about the impact on the self employed.

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Also in the Budget, there was the promise of an extra

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?2 billion for social care and big

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I'm here this morning with experts and people affected

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to see how the announcements have gone down.

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Good morning, it's Thursday the 9th March.

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A new memorial to honour the British military personnel and civilians

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In sport, they're calling it one of the greatest European

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Barcelona make history by coming from 4-0 down

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against Paris St Germain to win with the last kick of the game.

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And two years after historic Clandon Park House was gutted

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by fire, we report on the start of the huge restoration task.

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Good morning. For many this morning it's a fairly cloudy start, also a

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damp one with showers or some rain but by mid-morning, for most we'll

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have some lovely springlike weather with a fair bit of sunshine except

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across the Channel Islands and the south-west, where it will be cloudy

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and damp, and it will be quite a windy day for some of us. More in 15

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minutes. The Chancellor Phillip Hammond

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is facing accusations of breaking an election pledge by increasing

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National Insurance contributions for many self-employed workers

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in yesterday's budget. He's facing growing pressure

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to reconsider his plan from some The Treasury has defended

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the increase, saying it will return The amount self-employed workers

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will pay will rise from 9% It means an average

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increase of ?240 a year. And it'll affect around two million

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workers across the UK, raising ?145 million a year

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for the Treasury by 2022. Our political correspondent

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Eleanor Garnier is in Westminster It's already starting to get a tiny

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bit awkward for the Chancellor, isn't it, even from his own MPs. He

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has certainly ended up with a bit of a row on his hands and there is lots

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of criticism that this policy breaks a promise in the Conservative

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manifesto not to put up National Insurance, so there are calls this

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morning for the Chancellor to reverse yesterday's announcement.

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Critical Tories say it does nothing to encouraged enterprise, does

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nothing to encourage risk-taking. One MP said he was worried it would

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hit voters he described as white van men. So, yes, calls for the

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ministers and the government to change their mind, but ministers are

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insistent there won't be a U-turn and these changes will make the

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system fairer. But Labour said this is the government breaking promises

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and clobbering the self-employed. Elsewhere, there was extra cash for

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social care, ?2 million to help ease the creaking system and also help to

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soften the blow of changes to business rates with a ?300 million

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hardship fund. Labour saying, look, that can knock money isn't enough,

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especially for social care and the NHS -- that kind of money. And this

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morning, the morning after the Budget, all the giveaways Philip

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Hammond managed to find are being overshadowed by that row over

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National Insurance. Elia Ghani -- Eleanor Garnier in Westminster for

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us this morning. Steph is outside the studio

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with some experts and people who'll be affected, how are

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the changes being received? Good morning to you and good

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morning, everybody. As you heard there, one of the big stories

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especially for business is this change in the National Insurance

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that the self-employed will pay. A couple of experts we can talk to

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about this, Rebecca, a tax expert. We heard the Chancellor talking a

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lot about fairness, does this make the system fairer for working

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people? There is always a difficult question because it depends on your

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perspective but the current system has been in place for years. --

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fair. It comes from a time when most were employed and not many were

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self-employed so the current system compensates self-employed people for

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the risks they were taking about being self-employed. What the

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government have done is they have focused on the benefits people get

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in future, as they're saying people essentially get the same pensions,

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they've got to equalise the system. Interesting, Kelly, you are

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self-employed and you've been trying to work out for the last 12 hours

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what it will mean for you and Kelly, what are your thoughts? I think

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you're right, Rebecca, as an entrepreneur you take risks, you are

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taking the road less travelled. So eroding the dividend tax allowance

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and increasing national insurance contributions will have an impact on

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finances and it erodes the profitability of being

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self-employed. Have you worked out how much it will cost you? A couple

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of 100 pounds a year, which isn't substantial but at the same time

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it's sending a bad message to businesses. Is it putting pressure

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on you as an entrepreneur? Absolutely, I think it is. Thank you

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for your time, I know you'll be joining us through the show and we

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will have more experts here to talk to us about what this means for

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them. Steph, thanks very much for that.

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We'll be speaking to the Chancellor Philip Hammond just

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Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has told the BBC

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that the common sense time for a second independence

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referendum would be autumn next year.

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A vote can only take place with the permission

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But the remarks are the clearest signal yet that the SNP is planning

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to hold another vote before the UK leaves the European Union.

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In Westminster, some politicians think you're bluffing about holding

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a referendum. I'm not and I never have been. I always think that

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sometimes says more about them than it does about me because it suggests

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that there are politicians in Westminster who think Brexit and all

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of this is some con of game. It's not a game, it's really really

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serious and the implications for the UK serious and the indications for

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Scotland are serious. Some of your colleagues talk about Autumn 2018 as

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a likely date. Within that window, as an outline of a UK deal becomes

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clear, and the UK exiting the EU I think would be the common sense time

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for Scotland to have that choice if that is the road we choose to go

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down. Just to be clear, you're not ruling out autumn 2018? I'm not

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ruling out anything, no. A new memorial honouring the British

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military personnel and civilians who have served in Iraq

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and Afghanistan since the first Gulf War will be unveiled

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by the Queen later today. Members of the public donated more

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than ?1 million to fund the monument, as our correspondent

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Robert Hall reports. The military deployments to Iraq and

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Afghanistan over a 24 year period represent the longest and most

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intense series of operations since the Second World War. 682 British

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service personnel lost their lives. Many others came home with life

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changing injuries. The new memorial was first mooted in 2014 and

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fundraising began on Remembrance Sunday of that year. It stands on

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the bank of the Thames alongside reminders of other military

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campaigns. The new monument doesn't just

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commemorate the armed forces, it gives equal prominence to the

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civilians who worked on the humanitarian side of operations.

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Government, aid and charity workers, all of whom showed the twin values

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of Judy and service. Although British public opinion was

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divided over the merits of the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan,

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no one questions the dedication shown by both military and civilians

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trying to get those countries back on their feet. This team behind the

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memorial accept there is no clear end to this chapter in our history.

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Today's ceremony will reawaken shared experiences for those who

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were there. The sadness, the pain and the pride. Robert Hall, BBC

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News. The mother of the missing serviceman

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Corrie McKeague has said it is just a matter of time before

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they find her son's remains Suffolk Police have

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revealed that a bin lorry, seized shortly after the RAF gunner

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vanished after a night out in Suffolk last September,

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was carrying a heavier load Police are currently searching

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the site outside Cambridge. A man in Australia who posed online

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as the singer Justin Bieber has been charged with more

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than 900 child sex offences. The 42-year old man

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is accused of persuading fans of the star to send

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him explicit images. Police say he had been

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using a number of sites, including Facebook and Skype

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to communicate with children. A United Nations report is to call

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for an independent investigation into the potential health

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impact of the UK's largest Residents living near

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the Ffos-y-Fran site in south Wales have led a long

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campaign against air Cut into the side of the Valley east

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of Merthyr Tydfil, this is Ffos-y-Fran opencast mine, the size

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of 400 football pitches. Since 2007 a private company has been digging

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here right next to people's houses. What you're looking at right now,

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the mountain, the rim, is the bowl of the opencast mine. My biggest

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effect is the dust, absolutely phenomenal amount of dust. For more

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than a decade some locals have been claiming that pollution from the

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mine has been causing breathing and sleeping problems. They've held

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protests and petition the local council, the Welsh and UK

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governments. Now BBC news has learned the United Nations is set to

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make a surprise in intervention. A report by its special rat that are

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on the human rights of communities at risk of pollution will call for

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an independent investigation of claims this mine could be harming

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local people. I came across a number of pressing issues but this was

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definitely at the top of the list, I heard allegations of very high rates

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of childhood asthma, cancer clusters among the community. I didn't hear

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any evidence of a strong intervention by the government to

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investigate. Merthyr Tydfil council said his findings were based on

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unsubstantiated claims by the local community. The mind's operator

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insisted it had a proud record of mining responsibly. Steffan

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Messenger, BBC News. Malta's famous rock arch,

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that featured in a number of films and the TV series Game of Thrones,

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has collapsed into the sea. The Azure Window was

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damaged by heavy storms. The Prime Minister Joseph Muscat

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said it was heartbreaking. A study of the arch in 2013 said

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it was eroding but wasn't Look at it, before and after, just

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gone. Four years ago they said it wasn't in danger and it has gone

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already! Very sad. There is one in Donegal, I hope that doesn't go,

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very similar. What a night in the Champions League, the greatest

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comeback in the Champions League. Barca, 4-0 down in the first leg,

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winning it with three late goals, not against just a minnow in the

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qualifying rounds, against PSG, who hadn't lost this season in the

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Champions League. How did that happen? Something we haven't seen

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before. Luis Enrique, the Barca manager, said it was like watching a

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horror movie an frogging in front of him! -- unfolding.

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Barcelona are the first team to overturn a 4-0 deficit

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from the first leg of a Champions League game.

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Even with seven minutes to go at the Nou Camp

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they appeared to be heading out, but they scored three quick goals

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against Paris St Germain, including this one from

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Serge Roberto, with the last kick of the game

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to win 6-5 overall and reach the quarter-finals.

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Manchester United are in Russia for tonight's Europa League match.

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Jose Mourinho isn't happy about the state of the pitch.

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Manchester City were knocked back in the title race

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last night when they drew 0-0 at home with Stoke City.

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It means Chelsea are smiling ten points clear of both

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It finished goalless there against Stoke.

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And both Wales and Ireland name unchanged sides for their 6 Nations

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Wales coach Rob Howley says it's a chance for his side

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to earn redemption after defeat to Scotland

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A little more on that Rostov pitch in the papers for you in a moment.

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Thanks, Mike. Time for a first look at the weather with Carol.

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Good morning. This morning it is a cloudy start, a damp one for some as

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well but most of us will end up like this, a beautiful Weather Watchers

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picture from Port Ballantrae in Northern Ireland from yesterday.

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What we have this morning will be sunny spells developing particularly

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through the middle part of the morning, late morning into the

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afternoon and remaining mild with temperatures above average for the

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time of year. But there's also quite a bit of cloud around this morning.

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Across the Channel Islands in the south-west, that is producing some

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damp conditions. It's also rather windy this morning too and we have

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got some showers but some of us will start with some sunshine. We start

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at 7am across Cornwall, into the Channel Islands, this is where we

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have a weather front and that's what's producing all the cloud and

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damp conditions. Across the rest of southern England into East Anglia,

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the Midlands and Wales, some blue skies to start with, variables

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amounts of cloud, quite windy at the moment in Northern Ireland, north

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England, central and southern Scotland, slowly easing through the

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day and then we run into a rush of showers, some emerging to bring

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outbreaks of rain across Scotland with snow on the tops of the

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mountains. Remaining windy even into the evening into the Northern Isles.

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The cloud we have will break up through the morning and then it will

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be a beautiful spring day. You can see where we still hang on to the

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cloud in the far south-west and Channel Islands, here we have

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temperatures around 11, but top temperatures today could get to 15

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or possibly 16 somewhere in the south-east. Even as we go further

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north, ten at this stage in March in Stornoway is a healthy temperature,

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if of course you like it on the mild side! Through the evening and

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overnight, this weather front in the south-west will tend to move and

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take its cloud and rain with it across northern and western parts of

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the country. Most of the rain and drizzle will be on the coasts and

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the hills and as you push further east we won't have the cloud in

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eastern areas at this stage, so under clearer skies there's the risk

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of ground-frost. We start tomorrow with clearer skies in eastern areas

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but don't be fooled by because our weather front in the west will move

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over to the Easter through the day, taking rain and drizzle with it,

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nothing too substantial -- the east. Behind it we see some breaks,

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particularly in the west and particularly in the shelter of any

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hills and temperatures down a touch but still across England and Wales

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and Northern Ireland in particular we are looking at above average.

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Back in Scotland, for some above average but a bit lower, not much

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than today. That leads us into the weekend, turning a bit more

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unsettled because we have an array of weather fronts coming in at

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different times, bringing wet and at times windy weather. By the time we

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get to Sunday, behind this cold front we're looking at cooler air

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coming in. If that's alarming you in anyway, don't worry, next week we

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start to see the temperature come up once again. The forecast for this

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weekend is fairly mixed. What we have will be sunny spells at times

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and we'll also see some rain at times as these weather fronts tend

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to cross from the west towards the east and it will turn that little

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bit cooler with the recovery in the temperatures next week, but that

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doesn't mean wall to wall blue skies next week either, the weather

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turning more unsettled, especially from the middle of the week.

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Let's take a look at some of the main stories in this

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Steph and Mike is here. We will chat in a second. It is all about the

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budget. The front of the Mirror. This picture is used a lot, Theresa

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May, Prime Minister, laughing in the House of Commons. Not the most

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flattering picture. Philip Hammond's budget was peppered with jokes among

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the policy announcements. People referencing the different style from

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him yesterday and the Daily Telegraph, the impression here,

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going back on the pledge, our commitment to you, from the election

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campaign, no increase in VAT or income tax, reflected on the front

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of the Times. The front of the Times, the ?2 billion tax rate.

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Would you like to pick up on those? Lots of analysis with businesses

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questioning what it will mean for them and we were talking about

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self-employed people who will face a rise in the national insurance which

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they pay. The Financial Times has picked up on this and talking about

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how it is a hit on entrepreneurs. We have heard the government talk about

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entrepreneurs as the people who will help in the future to get through

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the financial problems. What they say is this rise in the national

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insurance, the Selvie employed, and the cut in the dividend tax break,

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so often entrepreneurs will take a dividend from their company rather

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than a salary and now they have to pay more tax on that --

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self-employed employed. Lots of entrepreneurs say it is a direct hit

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on them at a time when they should be in courage to be entrepreneurial.

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The fun of the Daily Mail, no laughing matter is the front page,

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and making the point that in the past the Conservative Party was

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thought of as the friend of the small business. What have you got,

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Mike? It might seem like Jose Mourinho has something to complain

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about, look at this close up of the pitch, in Russia, where there are

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tough tos of grass, which it is hard to mow, without a sort of goat, and

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are patches and then tough tos. He is really unhappy about it. --

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tufts. It reminds me a little bit off my lawn. And this is a

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heartwarming story, a little bit like the Brownlie brothers,

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cross-country racing in Lincoln and 200 metres from the end, his legs

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buckle and he isn't going to finish, so his friend doesn't finish his own

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race, he stops and carries his friend across the line the last 200

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metres. It is like the Brownlie brothers. He said I rather would

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have not finished to help my friend. I liked this story in the Times, I

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don't know if you saw this, women don't have the chips when they are

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looking at a good-looking man. Really? The idea is if you are out

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for dinner with a good-looking man as your date you don't want to be

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seen eating chips. Women are likely to order eating something healthy

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and green. You are not going out for fish and chips anyway. And it works

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for men in a different way. If he is with a very attractive woman, a man

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is likely to order something very expensive to make him look wealthy

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and powerful. So a woman would want to look healthy... Well, why can't

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people be themselves? Just a pastie. Yes, let's go on a date, Mike. Isn't

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that sweet, it is all arranged. Keep it in the budget. You have a whole

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bunch of people outside the studio. Yes, we set up outside the studio

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because we have to many people. We are going to talk to experts about

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changes to education as well, so there are T levels coming in,

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important for skills, business rates as well, something Sean and then

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have spoken about. What is a T level? It will be like the A-level,

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it is the same age, but in technical education. It is hard to explained.

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It might be a T-l in engineering. And something that will have some

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credibility. Yes. It is getting parity between the two. It is really

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important for those doing technical education. Thank you both very much.

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You're watching Breakfast from BBC News.

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The main stories this morning: Chancellor Philip Hammond faces

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criticism after announcing higher national insurance payments

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A new memorial to honour military and civilian personnel who served

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in Iraq and Afghanistan will be unveiled by the Queen later.

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Let's get some reaction to yesterday's budget,

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which Chancellor Philip Hammond said prepared the British economy

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Stewart Hosie from the Scottish National Party is in our Westminster

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Thank you for your time this morning. Can I just ask you for your

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response to Mr Hammond's budget yesterday? I thought it was an awful

:22:53.:22:57.

budget and particularly absent of reference to Brexit. A passing

:22:58.:23:01.

comment at the beginning of the budget statement. The idea that he

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has prepared the UK for the negotiations is absolutely

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laughable. What were you expecting? All of the warnings he has had, 10%

:23:13.:23:17.

loss in GDP, hundreds of thousands of jobs not created, GDP reduced

:23:18.:23:22.

with a reduction in migration, all of the warnings. We would have

:23:23.:23:26.

expected him yesterday, given it should have been the Brexit budget,

:23:27.:23:31.

to prepare the ground, to spend the money he needed to spend to mitigate

:23:32.:23:35.

the consequences of Brexit. That would have been the sensible thing

:23:36.:23:39.

to do, not sit on a war chest for the future and wait until the damage

:23:40.:23:43.

is done. Instead he did none of these things. There was a specific

:23:44.:23:49.

level of funding for the Scottish government, ?350 million funding

:23:50.:23:54.

boost. What did you make of that? As I said at the time, every penny is

:23:55.:24:00.

welcome, at let's not kid ourselves. That barely dents the cuts we've

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seen even with the extra cash. The Scottish government will still have

:24:05.:24:09.

to .9 billion less to spend in real terms at the end of this parliament

:24:10.:24:18.

than it did in 2010 -- 2.9 billion. It barely dents the cuts we have

:24:19.:24:21.

seen driven from Westminster. It is hard not to reference all of these

:24:22.:24:25.

political issues in relation to Brexit and certainly in your case in

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Scotland and the question of whether or not they will be another

:24:30.:24:35.

referendum. Which direction did yesterday's budget take in terms of

:24:36.:24:39.

another referendum? The budget in itself doesn't change anything. The

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key thing is will the UK government really embark on this hard Tory

:24:45.:24:51.

cliff edge Brexit? We fear that they will. And secondly, will they accept

:24:52.:24:57.

into the UK negotiating position the sensible compromise position put

:24:58.:25:01.

forward by Nicola Sturgeon? If they do that is welcome. If it is

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rejected at -- out of hand, it makes a second referendum more likely but

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that is not where we are today. Yes, indeed. We are running a clip of

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Nicola Sturgeon talking about when the referendum might be. If it were

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to happen, just help with clarification of that, because I

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know it is torture around this, asking what you're thinking is

:25:26.:25:32.

relative to Brexit. Just try to give your clearest answer about when

:25:33.:25:35.

there might be another independence referendum? As I say this is

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dependent on the UK government attitude to the Scottish government

:25:41.:25:43.

compromise position in relation to the EU negotiations. The First

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Minister was asked what a commonsense time be if one should

:25:49.:25:53.

happen and given we have Brexit negotiations starting, Article 50

:25:54.:25:59.

starting, and leaving the EU into NT 19, the First Minister was quite

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right that should it happen, somewhere around Autumn 2018 might

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make sense. Thank you for your time this morning.

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Coming up in about an hour from now, we'll be speaking to the Chancellor,

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Time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are.

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Now, though, it's back to Charlie and Sally.

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Hello, this is Breakfast with Sally Nugent and Charlie Stayt.

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We'll bring you all the latest news and sport in a moment,

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Philip Hammond promised a brighter future for Britain

:30:00.:30:03.

But did he break an election promise not to raise National Insurance?

:30:04.:30:09.

We'll be speaking to the Chancellor after 7am.

:30:10.:30:11.

These are the astonishing scenes when fire ripped through 18th

:30:12.:30:14.

century Clandon Park House in Surrey.

:30:15.:30:16.

Nearly two years later, the search is on for an architect

:30:17.:30:19.

history by becoming the first woman to be appointed to a permanent

:30:20.:30:38.

position with the St Paul's Cathedral Choir.

:30:39.:30:42.

We'll be talking to her just after 7:30am.

:30:43.:30:44.

But now a summary of this morning's main news.

:30:45.:30:50.

by raising National Insurance contributions for many self-employed

:30:51.:30:57.

A number of Conservative MPs say Philip Hammond's proposal

:30:58.:31:00.

breaks a pledge in the party's election manifesto.

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But the Treasury has rejected calls for a rethink,

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saying the increase will return fairness

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Our political correspondent Eleanor Garnier is in Westminster

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Is the National Insurance issue embarrassing for the Chancellor?

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Well, he certainly ended up with a bit of a row on his hands and as you

:31:24.:31:29.

say, there's lots of criticism that this might have broken a

:31:30.:31:33.

Conservative manifesto pledge not to raise National Insurance. Treasury

:31:34.:31:37.

sources, though, saying actually after the election there was

:31:38.:31:41.

clarifying legislation that said only those in conventional

:31:42.:31:44.

employment would not see National Insurance go up. Nevertheless,

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there's lots of criticism from Tory MPs who say this does nothing to

:31:50.:31:53.

help people who want to take risks, who want to get on, and there's also

:31:54.:31:58.

one Tory MP who said he's worried this might hit what he described as

:31:59.:32:03.

the white van man. So calls for the Chancellor to make a U-turn but

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ministers are insistent they will not be doing that and this change

:32:07.:32:11.

will make the system fairer. Labour say this is the government breaking

:32:12.:32:15.

promises and clobbering the self-employed. There were other

:32:16.:32:19.

changes, more money for social care to ease the creaking system and more

:32:20.:32:23.

help to soften the blow to changes to business rates. But Labour saying

:32:24.:32:28.

that of money for social care for the NHS isn't enough and this row of

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an actual insurance is if you like stealing the limelight from those

:32:33.:32:36.

positive things that Philip Hammond did manage to get out yesterday.

:32:37.:32:38.

Eleanor, thank you. The Chancellor also announced

:32:39.:32:46.

an extra ?200 million But some Welsh politicians have said

:32:47.:32:48.

the additional funds The Welsh government is responsible

:32:49.:32:56.

to a whole range of services, from health to education, and when ?300

:32:57.:32:59.

million is being spent on Buckingham Palace and ?5 million is being spent

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on the building behind me, ?200 million is an insult.

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We'll be speaking to the Chancellor Philip Hammond just

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Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has told the BBC

:33:08.:33:10.

that the common sense time for a second independence

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referendum would be Autumn next year.

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A vote can only take place with the permission

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But her remarks to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg

:33:18.:33:20.

are the clearest signal yet that the SNP is planning to hold

:33:21.:33:24.

another vote before the UK leaves the European Union.

:33:25.:33:27.

The Queen will unveil a memorial in London this morning in honour

:33:28.:33:31.

of all those from the UK who served in Iraq and Afghanistan

:33:32.:33:34.

The monument is dedicated to civilians

:33:35.:33:37.

Members of the public donated more than ?1 million to pay for it.

:33:38.:33:45.

A United Nations report is to call for an independent investigation

:33:46.:33:48.

into the potential health impact of the UK's largest

:33:49.:33:50.

Residents living near the Ffos-y-Fran

:33:51.:33:53.

site in South Wales have led a long campaign against air

:33:54.:33:56.

The mine's operator, Miller Argent, says the company has a proud record

:33:57.:34:05.

Files seen by the BBC suggest Margaret Thatcher's government

:34:06.:34:09.

was reluctant to hold a public inquiry into the policing

:34:10.:34:12.

of the miners' strike for fear of a witch hunt.

:34:13.:34:14.

They show the then Home Secretary Leon Brittan

:34:15.:34:17.

discouraged any inquiry into the conduct of the police

:34:18.:34:19.

Miners were disappointed last year when the Home Secretary Amber Rudd

:34:20.:34:26.

ruled there would be no inquiry into the so-called

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us happier and reduces stress levels.

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I believe that, I believe that is true. I thought it might make you

:34:40.:34:47.

laugh. Are you just saying that? It is true.

:34:48.:34:47.

The link between a connection with nature and human wellbeing

:34:48.:34:55.

What this new research has found is that even watching short clips

:34:56.:34:59.

can significantly increase positive emotions.

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Perhaps this one from Planet Earth two is doing just that for you.

:35:02.:35:04.

I suppose it depends. These are lovely images but if you see the

:35:05.:35:09.

ones of the very stressful attacks in the wild, that's not good, that

:35:10.:35:13.

is not so pleasant. Depends on the outcome, the Lizard made it through

:35:14.:35:16.

the snakes in the famous clip, eventually she made it. It was happy

:35:17.:35:20.

in the end. Speaking of stress levels, trying to make the link. The

:35:21.:35:27.

release of endorphins and relief. Explain the elation among the

:35:28.:35:30.

Barcelona players. Never seen anything like it, grown men and

:35:31.:35:39.

women jumping into each other's arms, crying, floods of tears

:35:40.:35:42.

because of the scale of the comeback, the greatest ever. Set the

:35:43.:35:45.

scene. 4-0 down from the first leg against PSG, who hadn't lost all

:35:46.:35:48.

season in the Champions League, with seven minutes to go they were three

:35:49.:35:52.

goals away from their target but then it all turned around. What with

:35:53.:35:57.

the commentator make of it, the Spanish commentator? Shall we have a

:35:58.:36:01.

listen, here's how he reported on those final seven minutes.

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I was just getting really good! He is referring to Sergio Burr to. --

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surgery Roberto. You can hear the pundits in the background, the

:36:28.:36:32.

weeping. Even with Barcelona, they have never seen anything like this!

:36:33.:36:34.

Barcelona pulled off the biggest recovery in Champions League

:36:35.:36:37.

4-0 down against Paris St German from the first leg of their last 16

:36:38.:36:41.

tie, Barca won 6-1 at home with the dedicing goal coming

:36:42.:36:44.

It finished 6-5 on aggregate and Barcelona are through

:36:45.:36:48.

Neymar, Messi and Suarez, the most feared strike force in world

:36:49.:36:55.

football. Barcelona's motto is more than a club but no club had

:36:56.:36:59.

overturned such a deficit in the Champions League. An early goal

:37:00.:37:01.

would give them hope, Suarez's header just crossed the line, this

:37:02.:37:05.

would be the match about the finest of margins and the referees don't

:37:06.:37:09.

Steffan Messenger's sometimes debatable judgement, a penalty?

:37:10.:37:13.

Messi scored a penalty for Barca, one more to level the tie or one

:37:14.:37:18.

more for PSG, a cracker from Cavani that should have put the tie to bed.

:37:19.:37:24.

An away goal that left Barca needing three. Surely no more time, two

:37:25.:37:28.

minutes to go before Neymar did that, the 90 were up when Neymar

:37:29.:37:34.

converted another suspect penalty and with practically the last kick

:37:35.:37:37.

of the match, Roberto stayed onside, swamped by his teammates. That was

:37:38.:37:44.

more than just a goal. Barcelona are more than just a club. Olly Foster,

:37:45.:37:46.

BBC News. The sort of comeback that Arsenal

:37:47.:37:53.

could have done with the other night against Bayern Munich!

:37:54.:37:54.

Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho has described

:37:55.:37:55.

their Europa League tie against Rostov bad

:37:56.:37:57.

near the Black Sea and Mourinho doesn't think the pitch is fit

:37:58.:38:03.

Uefa have admitted that it isn't perfect but won't call

:38:04.:38:07.

Mourinho says the state of the surface means team selection

:38:08.:38:10.

It is hard for me because we are going to play on that field, if you

:38:11.:38:27.

can call it a field. I don't know which team it helps really. I don't

:38:28.:38:30.

know if Mkhitaryaan is going to play.

:38:31.:38:31.

Manchester City failed to move up to second in the Premier League

:38:32.:38:34.

after drawing 0-0 at home to Stoke City.

:38:35.:38:36.

It was a game of few clear cut chances.

:38:37.:38:39.

Kelechi Iheanacho put City's last wide from close range.

:38:40.:38:41.

It's the first time they have failed to score at home since Pep Guardiola

:38:42.:38:45.

took over and means Chelsea remain ten points clear at the top

:38:46.:38:48.

Spurs are above City on goal difference

:38:49.:38:52.

We didn't win but we didn't lose so we did everything we could, we had

:38:53.:38:59.

chances, they didn't have many chances to score goals. They didn't

:39:00.:39:04.

score. We needed brilliance in the last part. Defensively well

:39:05.:39:05.

organised. But we tried. Bournemouth say they're extremely

:39:06.:39:07.

disappointed that defender Tyrone Mings has been

:39:08.:39:09.

banned for five games An FA panel ruled he deliberately

:39:10.:39:11.

stood on the head of Manchester United's Zlatan

:39:12.:39:15.

Ibrahimovic during their draw last weekend and decided the standard

:39:16.:39:17.

three-match ban wouldn't Wales and Ireland have both named

:39:18.:39:19.

unchanged sides for their 6 Nations The Irish come of the back

:39:20.:39:31.

of victory over France. While Wales lost to Scotland,

:39:32.:39:35.

having led at half time. It was their first defeat

:39:36.:39:38.

to the Scots in ten years but interim head coach Rob Howley

:39:39.:39:41.

says he's giving his players We discussed given the opportunity

:39:42.:39:55.

for the side to redeem themselves after the second half performance.

:39:56.:39:58.

Obviously I know things have been said in the week in terms of some

:39:59.:40:04.

player's performance and the coaching team have given them the

:40:05.:40:07.

opportunity to go out again and deliver a performance the players

:40:08.:40:12.

are proud of. And as equally important is for the supporters to

:40:13.:40:16.

support that and it's going to be a huge game on Friday night.

:40:17.:40:18.

When we won the Championship in 14 and 15, we actually had minimal

:40:19.:40:26.

changes week to week and I think we grew as the tournament went on.

:40:27.:40:32.

That's a massive challenge because everyone through the Championship

:40:33.:40:35.

tends to pick up a little bit more rhythm. The first game you tend to

:40:36.:40:39.

be a little bit underdone and you've got to pick up from there.

:40:40.:40:41.

England's cricketers are in Barbados for today's third and final

:40:42.:40:44.

one day international against West Indies.

:40:45.:40:45.

They've already won the fist two games so the series is already

:40:46.:40:48.

in the bag, and with the Champions Trophy

:40:49.:40:51.

later this year, bowler Chris Woakes believes

:40:52.:40:53.

England have a great chance of winning a major trophy.

:40:54.:40:58.

We haven't seen an England team in ODI cricket play the way this team

:40:59.:41:04.

is playing at the minute and especially with the bat, it's

:41:05.:41:07.

fantastic to watch the majority of the time. I know we had a slip the

:41:08.:41:11.

other day but there's very few and far between is. It's exciting times,

:41:12.:41:15.

hopefully we can reduce the goods at the right time, tournament cricket

:41:16.:41:18.

is different to a series so that will be a different challenge but I

:41:19.:41:22.

think we've got the best chance as we've probably ever had.

:41:23.:41:23.

Double Olympic gold-medallist Max Whitlock will miss the British

:41:24.:41:26.

and European Championships to focus on preparing

:41:27.:41:28.

for the World Championships in September.

:41:29.:41:30.

Whitlock has only recently returned to full time training

:41:31.:41:32.

after his successes in Rio last summer.

:41:33.:41:34.

He suffered from glandular fever two years ago and says he needs

:41:35.:41:37.

to manage his body if he's to compete at the highest level.

:41:38.:41:44.

He deserves a rest as he tries to work out his trademark move. He

:41:45.:41:52.

wants a move named after him. I imagine he can choose from several.

:41:53.:41:57.

He is good at most of them. He is pushing the boundaries. Speaking of

:41:58.:42:00.

pushing the boundaries, we were talking when the report was on, what

:42:01.:42:05.

causes a team to lose three goals, a hugely experienced team as well, to

:42:06.:42:09.

concede three goals in the last seven minutes when they know they

:42:10.:42:12.

just have to keep the ball, tactics in the corner so Barcelona couldn't

:42:13.:42:17.

get it to score. The psychologically of fear and when it paralyse is you,

:42:18.:42:22.

you start feeling everything and it collapses on top of you. So

:42:23.:42:26.

important in sport because it affects you physically, you can't

:42:27.:42:30.

move in the same way and you don't look for things in the same weight.

:42:31.:42:34.

The shape and the tactics go and the noise, the crowd would have made a

:42:35.:42:38.

difference -- same way. Yeah, the atmosphere! Thanks, Mike. Speak to

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you later. So has the Budget left

:42:41.:42:43.

you better or worse off? This week Steph has been out

:42:44.:42:46.

on the road looking at what people This morning she's back,

:42:47.:42:49.

and she's got a crowd of people outside our studio to find

:42:50.:42:53.

out if they're happy Good morning to you and good

:42:54.:43:00.

morning, everyone. Quite a few people here this morning so we

:43:01.:43:03.

thought we would do an extension to the studio, these are our offices,

:43:04.:43:07.

the team are working hard trying to work out what the Budget means for

:43:08.:43:11.

everyone. Being on the road all week this week, looking at what people

:43:12.:43:15.

want to do here and there is lots of things that came out yesterday. Some

:43:16.:43:18.

people said it was a dull but but but there's still things that would

:43:19.:43:22.

have a direct impact on people's lives, National Insurance, the

:43:23.:43:29.

amount of tax the self-employed pay. Laura, you guys have been doing a

:43:30.:43:34.

lot of analysis overnight. What are your thoughts and the winners and

:43:35.:43:38.

losers? There's obvious things we can point to, some small funding for

:43:39.:43:42.

skills and technical education for young people. Really welcome cash

:43:43.:43:48.

injection on social care. And a controversial but welcome step on

:43:49.:43:51.

closing some of the tax disparities between the self-employed and

:43:52.:43:55.

employees. But the biggest news is not the policies the Chancellor

:43:56.:43:59.

announced but the confirmation of a grim set of forecasts from the

:44:00.:44:05.

Office for Budget Responsibility both for public finances, with the

:44:06.:44:08.

goal of closing the deficit looking like it has been pushed down to the

:44:09.:44:12.

middle of the next decade, and especially on family finances with

:44:13.:44:16.

our forecast suggesting typical incomes will fall over the rest of

:44:17.:44:20.

the parliament, particularly hurting the poorer half of households. In

:44:21.:44:24.

terms of winners and losers, there is something we should all be

:44:25.:44:27.

concerned about in terms of the state of public finances and the

:44:28.:44:31.

impact of falling incomes, which it looks like will lead to rising

:44:32.:44:40.

inequality over the parliament. A VIP area in a nightclub which is

:44:41.:44:44.

ideal at this time of the morning. No drinks but a couple of croissants

:44:45.:44:48.

and a bacon but he! Thanks very much. Dominic, I will start with

:44:49.:44:54.

you, you're an entrepreneur in the events industry, tell us about what

:44:55.:44:59.

you heard. There's an analysis this morning suggesting this is an attack

:45:00.:45:04.

on entrepreneurs. I agree. The cut of the dividend is two ?2000 has

:45:05.:45:08.

been a bit of an anti- entrepreneurial attack -- dividends

:45:09.:45:15.

to. People start off unemployed before they start their own

:45:16.:45:19.

businesses so this is a". The rise in National Insurance you have to

:45:20.:45:26.

pay and the dividend -- a big issue. You think that is going to be a big

:45:27.:45:31.

hit for the industry, for entrepreneurs? The reasons to be

:45:32.:45:35.

self-employed and start a business are decreasing. The budget has

:45:36.:45:39.

encouraged people to get jobs and because the reasons to be

:45:40.:45:42.

self-employed now are not as positive as they used to be. There's

:45:43.:45:46.

an argument it is not as risky and that's why the government is doing

:45:47.:45:50.

this, in the past it would be easier to be... Trickier and more risky to

:45:51.:45:54.

be self-employed and now it is not as risky so you should pay more.

:45:55.:45:58.

There's that argument but I feel like we should encourage

:45:59.:46:02.

entrepreneurs with help like this to become self-employed and from that

:46:03.:46:05.

grow a business and bring in more people who are contractors to help.

:46:06.:46:10.

Any benefits would be welcomed. Dave, you are a pub landlord and

:46:11.:46:14.

there was specific news for your industry and the idea of the

:46:15.:46:18.

majority of pubs getting this ?1000 discount on business rates you pay.

:46:19.:46:22.

Put that in context, is that a lot of money?

:46:23.:46:25.

It is a drop in the ocean, a token gesture from a government that has

:46:26.:46:33.

been anti- pub from day one, and it was a response that was nothing,

:46:34.:46:38.

cancelled out by the increase anyway because we are self-employed. How

:46:39.:46:41.

much do you normally pay in business rates? They are unique in pubs,

:46:42.:46:50.

based on turnover, which is based on an estimation, effectively a guess,

:46:51.:46:56.

so you are penalised if you perform well. The key point is it is based

:46:57.:47:00.

on turnover from an average operator. It is a reasonably

:47:01.:47:06.

efficient operator, the term which is used. I have been in the business

:47:07.:47:10.

ten years, we took the pub five years ago, it was closed, because it

:47:11.:47:17.

was trading for sometime, rated at eight K and because we increase

:47:18.:47:21.

turnover dramatically, business rates went up 33,000, so... -- 8K.

:47:22.:47:29.

It is absolutely meaningless. In London, with high turnover I mean,

:47:30.:47:35.

we are a small country pub, but it is completely meaningless. Let's get

:47:36.:47:40.

some other thoughts. Toby, we met you at the start of the week. You

:47:41.:47:43.

said you wanted something on housing. It wasn't there. Housing is

:47:44.:47:49.

one of the biggest issues for all people at the moment, especially

:47:50.:47:52.

young people trying to get on the housing ladder. The government had a

:47:53.:47:56.

housing white paper last month. That was described as quite a feeble

:47:57.:48:00.

document. Think tanks and people in the industry didn't seem impressed.

:48:01.:48:05.

One of the most writing interventions was the ex- Housing

:48:06.:48:10.

Minister who said it hasn't made a difference. When they say the

:48:11.:48:13.

current policy won't work, the budget was a good time to change it.

:48:14.:48:18.

That is something that you were disappointed about. Absolutely.

:48:19.:48:22.

People were talking about what was said. We have to take note of what

:48:23.:48:27.

wasn't addressed. Housing was one of them. Coming from London, I am lucky

:48:28.:48:33.

to live in my familial home. I am recently graduated, looking to move

:48:34.:48:37.

out and get independence. You won't be able to do that in London if you

:48:38.:48:41.

don't have parents who can fund the deal. I don't have that. A lot of

:48:42.:48:46.

people don't have that. Essentially you have to choose between pursuing

:48:47.:48:50.

a creative career, which is what I do, in freelance, or the corporate

:48:51.:48:53.

route, getting a job and having enough money to rent. Toby, you were

:48:54.:48:59.

in pleased in the money to social care, we will talk more about that,

:49:00.:49:04.

and the other guests as well in this area, which feels like a nightclub,

:49:05.:49:09.

with all of these lights, and we can see if we can get some pinnacle

:49:10.:49:13.

eithers for later. I will have an espresso martini police. -- pinnacle

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s. Here's Carol with a look

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at this morning's weather. Here she is. Morning. Good morning.

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You are right. Today it will be a beautiful day if you like it sunny

:49:35.:49:38.

and mild for the time of year. That is the forecast for most of us. Not

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all of us. At the moment, showers, some of them merging in Scotland and

:49:44.:49:47.

northern England. We have another front in the south across Cornwall

:49:48.:49:53.

and the Channel Islands. That is giving more clout and damp

:49:54.:49:58.

conditions. There is a sea fog for the English Channel as well. First

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thing this morning we have the cloud and some drizzle and rain across

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Cornwall and the Channel Islands. Move away from that and by 8am we

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have bright skies, variable cloud, which holds true northwards into

:50:13.:50:17.

Wales and northern England. Windy at the moment for northern England,

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central and southern Scotland and Northern Ireland. The drizzle will

:50:22.:50:26.

break up and then we have showers especially in northern eastern

:50:27.:50:29.

Scotland, Angus and Fife, some will be producing snow. Wind will prevail

:50:30.:50:35.

for the day in Northern Isles where we have a lot of showers, heavy with

:50:36.:50:40.

hail thrown in at times as well, but foremost into the afternoon it is

:50:41.:50:44.

going to be stunning with a lot of spring sunshine and it will feel

:50:45.:50:50.

might for this stage in March. The top temperature 15, possibly 16 in

:50:51.:50:54.

the south-east and in the light wind it is lovely. As we had on through

:50:55.:50:58.

the course of the evening and overnight we will hang on to the

:50:59.:51:02.

clear skies across the east so that we could see a total ground frost.

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Meanwhile the weather front across the Channel Islands and Cornwall

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comes back at us from the west introducing thicker cloud and also

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some rain and drizzle. A lot of that will be on the hills and the coast.

:51:16.:51:19.

Tomorrow we start off right in the east, however with the cloud, rain

:51:20.:51:24.

and drizzle in the west, that will push eastwards through the day. And

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then behind it we will see some breaks in western areas especially

:51:29.:51:32.

in the shelter of the hills for example. Temperatures in the

:51:33.:51:37.

northern half of the country will be down, especially in Scotland and

:51:38.:51:40.

northern England. For Northern Ireland, England and Wales we have

:51:41.:51:44.

temperatures in double figures. In the south at this time of year the

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average should be around 10 degrees. Moving into the weekend the first

:51:50.:51:53.

weather front moves through, sinking south-east was, and then on Sunday

:51:54.:51:57.

and other comes from the west, a cold front, and behind it we could

:51:58.:52:02.

pull in cooler conditions. It won't suddenly turn cold but it will be

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colder or cooler than it has been. Period Saturday, remember, the

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weather front crosses, moving south-east, not very heavy. And

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behind it, dry and bright with sunshine coming through.

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Temperatures 11 to about 14 in the south. On Sunday the temperatures go

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down as the cold front comes and brings rain with it ahead of the

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cloud moving eastwards. And then behind it we will see some brighter

:52:30.:52:33.

skies, it will be quite easy at times and temperatures nines, tens

:52:34.:52:44.

or maybe 11, but into the new week it is looking unsettled. A lot going

:52:45.:52:48.

on in the forecast, once again. Thank you.

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When fire raged through Clandon Park House in Surrey

:52:53.:52:54.

in April 2015, the 18th century mansion was reduced

:52:55.:52:57.

The National Trust says that restoring the stately home

:52:58.:53:00.

will be its biggest conservation effort in a generation.

:53:01.:53:03.

Today it's launching a ?30 million campaign to find a designer who'll

:53:04.:53:06.

Breakfast's Graham Satchell has been to find out how big the task

:53:07.:53:10.

April 2015 and fire ripped through Clandon Park House. It burned all

:53:11.:53:25.

night and much of the next day. A masterpiece of the 1720s devastated

:53:26.:53:38.

by an electrical fault. From the front it looks deceptively unscathed

:53:39.:53:43.

but inside you can see the damage. The roof, floors and ceilings gone,

:53:44.:53:46.

much of its prized collection destroyed. And yet experts say the

:53:47.:53:51.

structure of the building itself is sound. This was state-of-the-art in

:53:52.:54:02.

its time. Built to the highest specification. This was a statement

:54:03.:54:06.

by the Onslow family, this politically ambitious family.

:54:07.:54:10.

Because of that the building was so resilient and we think that was why

:54:11.:54:14.

it survived the fire. It was built to last. Yes, this building is a

:54:15.:54:19.

survivor. Despite the obvious damage, and melted lab, a

:54:20.:54:25.

precariously hanging fireplace, the National Trust say the groundfloor

:54:26.:54:31.

will be completely restored. This is what it used to look like. One of

:54:32.:54:36.

the most significant Palladian homes in Britain. It was owned by the

:54:37.:54:41.

Onslow family until they gave it to the National Trust in 1956. This is

:54:42.:54:48.

the marble hall at Clandon. One of the most magnificent rooms in

:54:49.:54:56.

England. Well, so, Paul, the marble hall has been completely cleared.

:54:57.:55:00.

Yes, that is right, yes. The salvage effort competed in the summer. Some

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of the debris and he was eight feet high. One can imagine the scene is

:55:06.:55:09.

that greeted the salvage team when they came into the temperatures

:55:10.:55:13.

would have exceeded 1300 degrees centigrade, so the survival is

:55:14.:55:19.

remarkable. The salvage operation here was painstaking. Teams of

:55:20.:55:22.

archaeologists sifted through ash and debris for months. There was

:55:23.:55:27.

nothing like the first day of the archaeology when we were not really

:55:28.:55:31.

expecting to find anything and then suddenly we found this amazing

:55:32.:55:35.

little stoneware duck right inside the door and it was a great moment

:55:36.:55:40.

for us all, it gave us hope that we would find more precious things in

:55:41.:55:45.

the debris. And an architecture competition opens today for

:55:46.:55:48.

designers to come up with plans for Clandon. The trust was to create a

:55:49.:55:52.

national exhibition space on the upper floors. We have huge

:55:53.:55:55.

collections across the National Trust. We can create spaces here

:55:56.:55:59.

that the trust doesn't have elsewhere. It will take five or six

:56:00.:56:05.

years but the National Trust is convinced Clandon Park will rise

:56:06.:56:09.

from the ashes. Extraordinary images, those, aren't

:56:10.:56:17.

they? Yes, it's going to be beautiful though.

:56:18.:56:19.

Coming up later on Breakfast, we'll be joined by pop-band Steps.

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Hello, this is Breakfast, with Charlie Stayt and Sally Nugent.

:00:14.:00:16.

The Chancellor accused of breaking an election promise

:00:17.:00:18.

Employed and self-employed alike use our public services in the same

:00:19.:00:22.

way, but they are not paying for them in the same way.

:00:23.:00:30.

announcement makes the system fairer but faces criticism from Tory

:00:31.:00:35.

backbenchers about the impact on the self-employed.

:00:36.:00:38.

Also in the Budget, there was the promise of an extra

:00:39.:00:41.

?2 billion for social care and big

:00:42.:00:43.

I'm here this morning with experts and people affected

:00:44.:00:46.

to see how the announcements have gone down.

:00:47.:01:00.

Good morning, it's Thursday the 9th March.

:01:01.:01:07.

A new memorial to honour the British military personnel and civilians

:01:08.:01:10.

In sport, they're calling it one of the greatest European

:01:11.:01:16.

Barcelona make history by coming from 4-0 down

:01:17.:01:19.

against Paris St Germain to win with the last kick of the game.

:01:20.:01:27.

After 1,000 years of being male only,

:01:28.:01:41.

one of our best known choirs takes on its first woman.

:01:42.:01:44.

A windy start to the north, for many a cold start with cloudy and damp

:01:45.:01:53.

weather and rain but through the day for most of the UK that will give

:01:54.:01:57.

way to sunny spells, the exception being the Channel Islands and

:01:58.:02:01.

Cornwall where we'll hang onto cloudy and damp whether. More

:02:02.:02:02.

details in about 15 minutes. The Chancellor Phillip Hammond

:02:03.:02:05.

is facing accusations of breaking an election pledge by increasing

:02:06.:02:09.

National Insurance contributions for many self-employed workers

:02:10.:02:11.

in yesterday's budget. He's facing growing pressure

:02:12.:02:13.

to reconsider his plan from some The Treasury has defended

:02:14.:02:16.

the increase, saying it will return The amount self-employed workers

:02:17.:02:19.

will pay will rise from 9% It means an average

:02:20.:02:23.

increase of ?240 a year. And it'll affect around two million

:02:24.:02:29.

workers across the UK, raising ?145 million a year

:02:30.:02:32.

for the Treasury by 2022. Our political correspondent

:02:33.:02:44.

Eleanor Garnier is in Westminster As we just mentioned a moment ago,

:02:45.:02:56.

it isn't Labour MPs, not just Labour MPs suggesting this is a mistake,

:02:57.:03:00.

some Tory backbenchers are saying they already need to rethink this.

:03:01.:03:04.

That's right. The Chancellor has woken up to a bit of a row on his

:03:05.:03:09.

hands this morning, especially with that criticism over whether or not

:03:10.:03:13.

this has broken a Conservative Party manifesto, a promise not to increase

:03:14.:03:17.

National Insurance. Treasury sources have said in fact it doesn't break

:03:18.:03:21.

the manifesto pledge because there was legislation after the election

:03:22.:03:25.

which clarified everything and said only those in conventional

:03:26.:03:29.

employment would not see their National Insurance go up.

:03:30.:03:32.

Nevertheless, there's lots of criticism bite from Tory MPs and in

:03:33.:03:35.

the papers this morning. The Telegraph saying Tories break tax

:03:36.:03:42.

vowed and in the Sun we have spiked van man. One Tory MP said he worried

:03:43.:03:49.

about voters to he described as white van man being impacted. Others

:03:50.:03:54.

say it won't do anything to encourage entrepreneurial and

:03:55.:03:57.

risk-taking, which is what the Conservatives are seen to do

:03:58.:04:03.

normally. Labour says this is the Conservatives breaking promises and

:04:04.:04:06.

clobbering the self-employed. But ministers are in system they will

:04:07.:04:09.

not be doing a U-turn, they say this change will make the system fairer.

:04:10.:04:14.

There have been other changes. More money for social care and help to

:04:15.:04:18.

soften the blow for those changes to business rates. Extra cash there.

:04:19.:04:23.

But Labour say this whole Budget was scandalous, not enough money for

:04:24.:04:27.

social care and the NHS and I think this row over National Insurance is

:04:28.:04:31.

slightly overshadowing the positive things the Chancellor did have to

:04:32.:04:35.

say yesterday. Eleanor, thank you very much indeed. We will talk to

:04:36.:04:37.

you again soon. We'll be speaking to

:04:38.:04:38.

the Chancellor Philip Hammond Steph is outside the studio

:04:39.:04:41.

with some experts and people who'll Good morning and good morning,

:04:42.:04:53.

everybody. We have some people who can tell us more about the impact on

:04:54.:04:57.

the self-employed because Kelly, you're self-employed. Tell us about

:04:58.:05:01.

the differences this will make for you, you spent the last 12 hours

:05:02.:05:07.

analysing this, haven't you? That's right, I'm a small-business owner

:05:08.:05:10.

and when I decided to incorporate my copywriting agency last Year 1 of my

:05:11.:05:17.

was around dividends. They already have the dividend tax and the

:05:18.:05:21.

allowance is compensation for that, allowing you to withdraw ?5,000

:05:22.:05:27.

tax-free so reducing that two ?2000 will impact me. You take dividends

:05:28.:05:32.

from your company rather than a salary so you will have to pay more

:05:33.:05:37.

tax? Yes. The National Insurance issue, will that impact you? ?6 a

:05:38.:05:42.

week for a self-employed person, that adds up over the period of time

:05:43.:05:48.

you're working, and normally you take risks, the National Insurance

:05:49.:05:52.

contributions reflect that but by eroding the margin between

:05:53.:05:55.

self-employed and employed, it makes being self employed less attractive.

:05:56.:05:59.

This is going to make a difference to people like Kelly, we had the

:06:00.:06:04.

Chancellor say this is about making things fair for working people, does

:06:05.:06:08.

it? When he talks about fairness the government is focusing on the

:06:09.:06:12.

benefits, not how much Kelly is paying. They're focusing on the

:06:13.:06:15.

pension because that has to be the biggest cost the government is

:06:16.:06:19.

managing in this measure, making sure people are paying enough now to

:06:20.:06:22.

fund it. Historically there were more self-employed people --

:06:23.:06:27.

employed people and fewer self employed people and the rates

:06:28.:06:30.

reflected that but now the government are saying that isn't

:06:31.:06:33.

relevant. The government is saying it isn't as risky to be

:06:34.:06:37.

self-employed so they should be paying more as blue they are saying

:06:38.:06:40.

the difference in risk between being self-employed and employed is lower

:06:41.:06:44.

than it would have been historically -- paying more? Thank you for your

:06:45.:06:51.

time this morning. The reason we are here is we will have lots of experts

:06:52.:06:55.

popping in to tell us their thoughts on the different things that came

:06:56.:06:58.

out in the budget yesterday. That's it for me for now. Thanks, Steph.

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Speak to you later. Scotland's First Minister Nicola

:07:04.:07:05.

Sturgeon has told the BBC that the common sense time

:07:06.:07:08.

for a second independence referendum would be

:07:09.:07:10.

autumn next year. A vote can only take

:07:11.:07:12.

place with the permission But the remarks to the BBC's

:07:13.:07:14.

political editor Laura Kuenssberg are the clearest signal yet

:07:15.:07:18.

that the SNP is planning to hold another vote before the UK

:07:19.:07:21.

leaves the European Union. In Westminster, some politicians

:07:22.:07:24.

think you're bluffing I always think that sometimes kind

:07:25.:07:26.

of says more about them than it does about me because it suggests

:07:27.:07:33.

that there are politicians in Westminster who think Brexit

:07:34.:07:35.

and all of this is some It's not a game, it's really,

:07:36.:07:38.

really serious and the implications for the UK are serious

:07:39.:07:42.

and the indications Some of your colleagues talk

:07:43.:07:44.

about autumn 2018 as a likely date. Within that window, as the outline

:07:45.:07:48.

of a UK deal becomes clear, and the UK exiting the EU I think

:07:49.:07:52.

would be the common sense time for Scotland to have that choice

:07:53.:07:55.

if that is the road we choose Just to be clear, you're not

:07:56.:07:59.

ruling out autumn 2018? No police misconduct has been

:08:00.:08:12.

identified so far by the police watchdog investigating the Rotherham

:08:13.:08:16.

child abuse scandal. But the Independent Police

:08:17.:08:18.

Complaints Commission say it's identified significant failings

:08:19.:08:21.

in the way survivors and alleged The commission is looking

:08:22.:08:23.

at allegations which include 91 A new memorial honouring the British

:08:24.:08:26.

military personnel and civilians who have served in Iraq

:08:27.:08:40.

and Afghanistan since the first Gulf War will be unveiled

:08:41.:08:43.

by the Queen later today. Members of the public donated more

:08:44.:08:45.

than ?1 million to fund the monument, as our correspondent

:08:46.:08:49.

Robert Hall reports. The military deployments to Iraq

:08:50.:08:51.

and Afghanistan over a 24-year period represent the longest

:08:52.:08:53.

and most intense series of operations since

:08:54.:08:56.

the Second World War. 682 British service

:08:57.:09:02.

personnel lost their lives. Many others came home

:09:03.:09:04.

with life-changing injuries. The new memorial was first mooted

:09:05.:09:08.

in 2014 and fundraising began It stands on the bank

:09:09.:09:11.

of the Thames alongside reminders The new monument doesn't just

:09:12.:09:16.

commemorate the Armed Forces, it gives equal prominence

:09:17.:09:27.

to the civilians who worked on the humanitarian

:09:28.:09:30.

side of operations. Government, aid and charity workers,

:09:31.:09:33.

all of whom showed the twin values Although British public opinion

:09:34.:09:36.

was divided over the merits of the campaigns in Iraq

:09:37.:09:43.

and Afghanistan, no-one questions the dedication shown by both

:09:44.:09:46.

military and civilians trying to get The team behind the memorial accept

:09:47.:09:48.

that there is no clear end to this Today's ceremony will reawaken

:09:49.:09:59.

shared experiences for those The mother of the missing serviceman

:10:00.:10:03.

Corrie McKeague has said it is just a matter of time before

:10:04.:10:17.

they find her son's remains Suffolk Police have

:10:18.:10:20.

revealed that a bin lorry, seized shortly after the RAF gunner

:10:21.:10:28.

vanished after a night out in Suffolk last September,

:10:29.:10:31.

was carrying a heavier load Police are currently searching

:10:32.:10:34.

the site outside Cambridge. A United Nations report is to call

:10:35.:10:38.

for an independent investigation into the potential health

:10:39.:10:41.

impact of the UK's largest Residents living near

:10:42.:10:44.

the Ffos-y-Fran site in south Wales have led a long

:10:45.:10:46.

campaign against air The mine's operator, Miller Argent,

:10:47.:10:49.

says the company has a proud record Malta's famous rock arch that

:10:50.:10:54.

featured in a number of films and the TV series Game of Thrones

:10:55.:10:59.

has collapsed into the sea. The Azure Window was

:11:00.:11:05.

damaged by heavy storms. You can see in there, amazing piece

:11:06.:11:21.

of geography. The next picture we can see it has gone in its entirety.

:11:22.:11:25.

The Prime Minister Joseph Muscat said it was heartbreaking.

:11:26.:11:27.

A study of the arch in 2013 said it was eroding but wasn't

:11:28.:11:31.

Now it is gone, though! Gone for ever! -- for ever.

:11:32.:11:38.

The Chancellor has acknowledged that the social care system is under

:11:39.:11:45.

pressure, and in yesterday's budget offered ?2 billion over

:11:46.:11:47.

the next three years to councils in England.

:11:48.:11:49.

So how should the money be spent and is it

:11:50.:11:52.

Let's speak to care home owner Mike Padgham and Nigel Edwards,

:11:53.:11:57.

Chief Executive of the Nuffield Trust health charity,

:11:58.:11:59.

who's in our London studio.

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Nigel, if I can first turn to you, give us a sense of that ?2 billion,

:12:03.:12:09.

it sounds like an enormous sum of money, what is it relative to the

:12:10.:12:14.

need? We spend about ?16 billion on social care on adults in England.

:12:15.:12:19.

But need has been growing, we're getting older, more of us are living

:12:20.:12:24.

alone and the councils that have administered administered social

:12:25.:12:27.

care have had a real terms cut of over ?1 billion over the last five

:12:28.:12:33.

years. Square that circle, this ?2 billion figure, what are people

:12:34.:12:37.

saying they need as opposed to what they have now got? Estimates vary

:12:38.:12:42.

but people are saying they needed ?2 billion this year. While the money

:12:43.:12:45.

from the Chancellor will be welcome, people will also say it isn't really

:12:46.:12:49.

enough. Councils have been given additional powers to raise money

:12:50.:12:53.

through what's called a precept, additional funding from council tax,

:12:54.:12:57.

but it has basically been wiped out by the national living wage, the two

:12:58.:13:02.

sons are very similar. People I think will be relieved that there is

:13:03.:13:08.

some money but I think they will be hoping for ?2 billion. Mike, you're

:13:09.:13:13.

at the sharp end, you run a business for care homes? Primary leave the

:13:14.:13:20.

clients we have our local authority funded, I agree, it is a decent

:13:21.:13:25.

amount, but not enough. A good start but the Chancellor needs to know

:13:26.:13:30.

more is needed. You look after people who are elderly with

:13:31.:13:33.

dementia, how much do you get to look after somebody for a week? If

:13:34.:13:38.

we're talking about local authority funded, just shy of ?500 a week.

:13:39.:13:43.

Sounds like a lot, but when you break it down, 24/7 care is just

:13:44.:13:48.

around ?5 an hour. Staff need to be paid more than the living wage and

:13:49.:13:52.

so we want to pay more to recruit more, we are caught in that

:13:53.:13:55.

difficulty. We want local authorities to get more funding but

:13:56.:13:59.

it has to come to the front line. It's all very well, the money, but

:14:00.:14:03.

we don't want it tied in bureaucracy. You face the reality

:14:04.:14:07.

day in, day out, your staff and their care needs. What would your

:14:08.:14:11.

message be to the Chancellor about funding? As we heard from the

:14:12.:14:15.

Nuffield trust, they say possibly it is half. The announcement is

:14:16.:14:19.

approximately half what the experts say they need, what would you say? I

:14:20.:14:24.

would say come and have a look at social care on the front line and

:14:25.:14:28.

see why it's not working. We can have the health service but even

:14:29.:14:31.

that funding will mean more people caught up in hospital because they

:14:32.:14:34.

can't be discharged either into their own homes or back into care

:14:35.:14:38.

homes. I would like the Chancellor and the Prime Minister to look for

:14:39.:14:39.

themselves and to see the case. Nigel, what will you say to the

:14:40.:14:50.

Chancellor following from his announcement yesterday? We have had

:14:51.:14:53.

some funding to deal with the immediate however the issue is for

:14:54.:14:58.

the last 30 years that politicians have dodged the issue of how to pay

:14:59.:15:05.

for care for older people and adults in need. They're out for reviews

:15:06.:15:08.

none of which are properly implemented and it is time for the

:15:09.:15:15.

politicians to face up to this very serious problem. Unfortunately they

:15:16.:15:18.

have left it so long we are doing it in a situation where there is no

:15:19.:15:22.

money. This is not just about helping the health service by the

:15:23.:15:25.

way. There are a large number of people in need and it is the case

:15:26.:15:30.

that probably only 20 or so are sent to people who have needs to get

:15:31.:15:33.

local authority help. What is the radical change that is needed? More

:15:34.:15:39.

money, but what else, a structural change? Probably changes on both how

:15:40.:15:45.

the provision of social care happens, it is a very old private

:15:46.:15:49.

sector market which is quite fragmented, it is very low paid and

:15:50.:15:55.

I think it is often quite bureaucratic in how it is

:15:56.:15:59.

administered. The big issue is how to raise money. We have been ducking

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the issue. Other companies like Germany, Japan, the Netherlands and

:16:05.:16:07.

Scandinavian countries have faced up to the issue. It is causing their

:16:08.:16:11.

real problems. They have made bold choices over the last few decades to

:16:12.:16:16.

make sure that they are ready for what was an obvious oncoming problem

:16:17.:16:21.

as the population has aged and the workforce, which is a real concern

:16:22.:16:27.

here, and we need to deal with it, and there are big Brexit

:16:28.:16:31.

implications for the workforce, that they have tried to deal with those

:16:32.:16:35.

problems. And we have not managed to do that. And as Nigel was talking

:16:36.:16:39.

you were nodding seriously especially when he was talking about

:16:40.:16:43.

the idea of putting off big decisions about what to do with the

:16:44.:16:47.

problem. From the Chancellor's point of view, amongst lots of other

:16:48.:16:51.

problems, Brexit around the corner, issues around the economy and what

:16:52.:16:58.

will happen, are you angry about the lack of decision making about

:16:59.:17:01.

putting money into social care? Yes, I am, I have been in social care for

:17:02.:17:06.

25 years and each government has always put it off. And while you

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don't want to turn away the paper, it is another delay. We know what

:17:11.:17:14.

the problems are. My view is social care and health in one body in the

:17:15.:17:18.

future. We are dancing around the edge and until we crack that we will

:17:19.:17:22.

never get anywhere. It is time to stop talking and less just get on

:17:23.:17:26.

with it. Would you agree that people working in the industry are not paid

:17:27.:17:31.

enough? Definitely. I can't see - luckily I am no politician - I can't

:17:32.:17:36.

see tax not going up somewhere to pay for it. If people want better

:17:37.:17:39.

social care they would pay more tax. It is tough and I think that they

:17:40.:17:44.

would. I can't see how we can do it unless we pay more. Thank you for

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your time this morning. What is more to come on the budget this morning.

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You're watching Breakfast from BBC News.

:17:56.:17:57.

The main stories this morning: Chancellor Philip Hammond faces

:17:58.:17:59.

criticism after announcing higher national insurance payments

:18:00.:18:01.

A new memorial to honour military and civilian personnel who served

:18:02.:18:05.

in Iraq and Afghanistan will be unveiled by the Queen later.

:18:06.:18:17.

Here's Carol with a look at this morning's weather.

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Good morning. Hopefully more than a moment. The weather forecast is

:18:25.:18:31.

unsettled after today. Today we have a fair bit of sunshine after this

:18:32.:18:36.

morning's cloud, drizzle and rain and it is going to be mild for this

:18:37.:18:40.

time of January. For some of us, really mild. We have weather fronts

:18:41.:18:45.

pushing to the North Sea taking cloud and drizzle with them. We do

:18:46.:18:49.

have a weather front rates across the Channel Islands and south-west

:18:50.:18:53.

England where we have murky conditions and low cloud. There will

:18:54.:18:58.

be some dampness in the air with showers or rain. And what you have

:18:59.:19:02.

at the moment you will hang on for much of the day, Cornwall and the

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Channel Islands on and off. Away from those areas we are back into

:19:07.:19:10.

some sunshine. There is cloud around this morning. One or two of us will

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season showers. Most of us won't. Cloud will continue to not away. We

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will see the sun come out. It is windy for Northern Ireland, England,

:19:20.:19:23.

central and southern Scotland. It is windy the far north of Scotland. It

:19:24.:19:27.

will remain so here for the Northern Isles especially through the course

:19:28.:19:30.

of the day. Slowly easing through the evening. The wind elsewhere will

:19:31.:19:34.

ease through the morning. The showers fading for most. The sun

:19:35.:19:38.

will come out and it will feel pleasant if you are in the light

:19:39.:19:43.

wind. We hang onto the cloud and the dampness across Cornwall and also

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the Channel Islands. So, temperatures today, well, nine and

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ten and 11 for the north of the country, already in the southern

:19:51.:19:54.

half of the country from Anglesey to the wash we are looking at 8-12. The

:19:55.:19:59.

temperature will climb in the sunshine. In the south-east we could

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see 15 or even higher than that. Through the evening and overnight

:20:06.:20:08.

what will happen to the weather front in the south-west corner is it

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will pivot and push up across western and northern areas, taking

:20:14.:20:16.

rain and drizzle with it. Most of that will be in the hills and the

:20:17.:20:20.

coast at we see some at lower levels. You can also see in the east

:20:21.:20:24.

we have some clear skies, so with temperature drops we will see some

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frost around. First thing in the morning to clear skies prevail for a

:20:29.:20:32.

time and some sunshine. However a front that has pivoted in the west

:20:33.:20:36.

will move to the east through the course of the day, taking dampness

:20:37.:20:39.

with it. And then behind it what you will find is in the west,

:20:40.:20:43.

particularly in the shelter of the hills, we are looking at some sunny

:20:44.:20:47.

spells coming through. Quite breezy to the west as well. Temperatures

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down for Scotland and the north of northern England but for Northern

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Ireland, England and Wales, although they come down a touch, above

:20:56.:20:59.

average for this stage in March. Through the weekend, one front sinks

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south, a bit of a lull, then the next front comes from the Atlantic,

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a cold front, so behind it on Sunday we sequel -- we see cool air coming

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in. For the weather front, coming to the south-east, either side of it

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there are bright spells with a bit of cloud and temperatures in the

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north of 11 or 12, 12- 14 in the south. Down a little bit more over

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the course of Sunday. Thank you very much indeed. Talk to you soon. Let's

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have a quick look at the papers, dominated of course by the budget

:21:35.:21:39.

yesterday and the picture of Philip Hammond multibillion pound tax rate,

:21:40.:21:44.

self-employed hit, they say, accused of breaking a pledge. The front of

:21:45.:21:49.

the Mirror, they have the Prime Minister Theresa May throwing back

:21:50.:21:54.

her head laughing. They say, what is so funny, Prime Minister? The front

:21:55.:21:58.

of the Sun, spite van man, the raid on the self-employed and the front

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of the Daily Mail has, no laughing matter, the Chancellor made quite a

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few jokes in his budget yesterday but breaking the manifesto pledge,

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says the Daily Mail. We can speak now to the Chancellor. Good morning

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to you and thank you for your time this morning. If you would just pick

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up straightaway on those issues that I am sure you have seen on the front

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pages, those broken pledge issues, why did you break the conservative

:22:28.:22:31.

pledge not to raise taxes or specifically not to raise national

:22:32.:22:37.

insurance contributions? What we did in 2015 was legislate through

:22:38.:22:42.

parliament for all of these issues around tax and national insurance

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and we explained them to parliament exactly how we interpret them, how

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are we intended to legislate for them. No one objected, no one raised

:22:52.:22:56.

issues about it. Indeed, the Labour Party acknowledged in parliament

:22:57.:22:59.

that we delivered the manifesto commitments. We regard the issue as

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dealt with. Without with it in 2015. What I did yesterday was addressed a

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basic continuing on Venice in the current system. The benefits

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available to the self-employed have significantly improved, they have

:23:18.:23:20.

full access to the state pension now, that is worth ?18,000 a year on

:23:21.:23:25.

average to a self-employed person and as we go forward with

:23:26.:23:29.

negotiations with the EU we need to make this country strong and fit and

:23:30.:23:33.

ready for the future. We need to invest in the skills of the next

:23:34.:23:38.

generation. We need to support the public services. All of that

:23:39.:23:42.

requires us to raise some money and we had to look at where best to do

:23:43.:23:46.

that in a way that enhances the fairness of the tax system. In this

:23:47.:23:52.

measure, enhances the Venice for the 85% of people who are in employment,

:23:53.:24:02.

who pay their national insurance through PAYE and the measure itself

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changing the way it contributions work actually produces more winners

:24:10.:24:15.

than losers among the self employed. 6% will play less national insurers

:24:16.:24:19.

overall as a result of these changes. What is confusing people

:24:20.:24:26.

and people agree with you is logical but people say it is like insulting

:24:27.:24:31.

the intelligence when you say you didn't pledge something, because in

:24:32.:24:35.

your manifesto you say clearly the conservative government will not

:24:36.:24:39.

increase the rate of VAT or national insurance in the next parliament.

:24:40.:24:45.

Why is it so difficult for you to say it was a pragmatic decision you

:24:46.:24:48.

have taken to break the pledge because it needed to be broken.

:24:49.:24:52.

Common sense says you have broken the pledge. This didn't happen

:24:53.:24:59.

yesterday, it happen in 2015. My question is do you accent you have

:25:00.:25:06.

broken the pledge? When the national insurance Bill went through

:25:07.:25:09.

parliament we explained clearly in parliament why we were doing what we

:25:10.:25:14.

were doing, how we were interpreting it, and at the time my predecessor

:25:15.:25:18.

specifically asked the office of tax simplification to look at the

:25:19.:25:24.

national insurance contributions and to make recommendations to ensure

:25:25.:25:27.

that we brought them more appropriately into the system. Are

:25:28.:25:31.

you seriously still maintaining that you haven't broken the pledge, I

:25:32.:25:35.

just want to be clear, because everyone can go back and look

:25:36.:25:38.

through what your party said you would not do and now you have done?

:25:39.:25:45.

Well, I am clear that we had this discussion in 2015. The result it

:25:46.:25:49.

than with the legislation that we put through parliament. Why is

:25:50.:25:56.

everyone so upset about it today? Sorry, I am interrupting you, I

:25:57.:26:01.

apologise? You are interrupting me. Nobody voted against it or tabled

:26:02.:26:05.

amendments. We had this discussion in 2015 and as far as I was

:26:06.:26:09.

concerned when I approached the issue yesterday, we resolve this

:26:10.:26:17.

issue in 2015, now written -- Britain faces these issues and we

:26:18.:26:21.

have to face them in the light of where we are today, the need to fund

:26:22.:26:25.

social care, the need to invest in Britain's future, the skills for the

:26:26.:26:29.

next generation, and to do it in a way that is prudent and conserves

:26:30.:26:36.

the firepower as we go through the negotiation period with the EU to

:26:37.:26:40.

make sure Britain can benefit from Brexit and the opportunities that

:26:41.:26:45.

will lie ahead for us. With respect, some people say you could be wrong

:26:46.:26:49.

about the decision you have taken to take the pledge, you could just be

:26:50.:26:52.

wrong about that and the other point is people we spoke with this

:26:53.:26:56.

morning, and we have many here in the studio, small business people,

:26:57.:26:59.

the people you target, who say as far as they are concerned they feel

:27:00.:27:03.

now as if you're conservative government is anti- small business.

:27:04.:27:07.

There is a sentiment coming through. It is evidenced in this latest

:27:08.:27:11.

measure that you no longer are on their side. Well, I don't accept

:27:12.:27:18.

that at all. We strongly support small businesses, growing

:27:19.:27:22.

businesses. They are the bedrock of Britain's economy and we will

:27:23.:27:27.

continue to encourage new ventures, innovation, growing businesses in

:27:28.:27:33.

this economy. What we are dealing with is a perverse incentive in our

:27:34.:27:38.

tax and national insurance system which is driving people who are

:27:39.:27:43.

essentially employees to turn themselves into self-employed

:27:44.:27:45.

workers instead. That is not good for them, it is not a healthy thing

:27:46.:27:51.

for the structure of the economy to be driven by tax advantages and tax

:27:52.:27:56.

differences. People should have choices about the way they work.

:27:57.:28:00.

People should have choices about the form they use to start a business.

:28:01.:28:04.

Those choices should be driven by the needs of their business and by

:28:05.:28:08.

the needs of the economy, not by artificial tax incentives. And the

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gap is too big. For somebody earning ?28,000, an employee between him and

:28:16.:28:19.

his employer will pay nearly ?5,000 of national insurance contribution

:28:20.:28:23.

for his pension and for the National Health Service. Someone earning the

:28:24.:28:27.

same amount of money self-employed will be paying less than ?2000. That

:28:28.:28:33.

is simply not fair. Can I finally ask you, sometimes politicians can

:28:34.:28:37.

change minds on things, that is if they look and think, maybe rethink,

:28:38.:28:43.

as you phrase it in political terms, you rethink and listen to what

:28:44.:28:49.

people say. I used route dump are you categorical there will be no

:28:50.:28:53.

turnaround -- are you categorical there will be no turnaround in these

:28:54.:28:56.

contributions? Let me be clear we are doing two things, abolishing the

:28:57.:29:00.

class to national insurance contribution, which is highly

:29:01.:29:03.

regressive, a chart on people with very low self employment incomes,

:29:04.:29:08.

and in place of it we are increasing the class for contribution. Overall

:29:09.:29:14.

that will mean 60% of people with lower earnings will be better. Those

:29:15.:29:20.

on higher earnings, the 40% on high earnings, will pay a little bit

:29:21.:29:24.

more. We think that is fair, we think it is a reasonable way to go

:29:25.:29:28.

forward given the benefits entitlement for the self-employed

:29:29.:29:32.

has improved so much. Thank you for your time this morning.

:29:33.:29:37.

Just after eight o'clock we'll be speaking to the Shadow Chancellor,

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Time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are.

:29:41.:32:59.

really until Monday that we see bright and dry weather.

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I'm back with the latest from the BBC London newsroom

:33:03.:33:04.

Plenty more on our website at the usual address.

:33:05.:33:07.

Hello, this is Breakfast with Sally Nugent and Charlie Stayt.

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The Chancellor is facing accusations of breaking an election pledge,

:33:11.:33:13.

by raising National Insurance contributions for many self-employed

:33:14.:33:15.

A number of Conservative MPs say Philip Hammond's proposal

:33:16.:33:22.

breaks a pledge in the party's election manifesto.

:33:23.:33:25.

But the Treasury has rejected calls for a rethink,

:33:26.:33:27.

saying the increase will return fairness

:33:28.:33:28.

The Leader of the Liberal Democrats, Tim Farron, has criticised

:33:29.:33:35.

the Chancellor's decision to increase the rates

:33:36.:33:37.

of National Insurance paid by self-employed people.

:33:38.:33:43.

There's ?100 billion extra borrowing during because the government chose

:33:44.:33:48.

a hard Grexit, you can't have a strong economy with a hard Brexit

:33:49.:33:51.

and therefore you can't have strong well funded social care with a hard

:33:52.:33:57.

Brexit. The government has made wrong choices. It's an insult to

:33:58.:34:02.

self-employed people, one in four in my constituency are self-employed,

:34:03.:34:06.

people don't get holiday pay and now thanks to this government they won't

:34:07.:34:08.

get a holiday in the first place! We'll speak to the Shadow Chancellor

:34:09.:34:10.

John McDonnell after 8am. Scotland's First Minister Nicola

:34:11.:34:13.

Sturgeon has told the BBC that the common sense time

:34:14.:34:15.

for a second independence referendum would be

:34:16.:34:16.

autumn next year. A vote can only take

:34:17.:34:18.

place with the permission But her remarks to the BBC's

:34:19.:34:20.

political editor Laura Kuenssberg are the clearest signal yet

:34:21.:34:24.

that the SNP is planning to hold another vote before the UK

:34:25.:34:27.

leaves the European Union. The Queen will unveil a memorial

:34:28.:34:30.

in London this morning in honour of all those from the UK who served

:34:31.:34:33.

in Iraq and Afghanistan The monument is

:34:34.:34:36.

dedicated to civilians Members of the public donated more

:34:37.:34:39.

than a million to pay for it. Members of the public donated more

:34:40.:34:49.

than ?1 million to pay for it. No police misconduct has been

:34:50.:34:56.

identified so far by the police watchdog investigating the Rotherham

:34:57.:34:59.

child abuse scandal. But the Independent Police

:35:00.:35:01.

Complaints Commission say it's identified significant failings

:35:02.:35:03.

in the way survivors and alleged The commission is looking

:35:04.:35:06.

at allegations which include 91 A United Nations report is to call

:35:07.:35:09.

for an independent investigation into the potential health

:35:10.:35:13.

impact of the UK's largest Residents living

:35:14.:35:16.

near the Ffos-y-Fran site in South Wales have led a long

:35:17.:35:18.

campaign against air The mine's operator, Miller Argent,

:35:19.:35:21.

says the company has a proud record Files seen by the BBC suggest

:35:22.:35:25.

Margaret Thatcher's government was reluctant to hold a public

:35:26.:35:31.

inquiry into the policing of the miners' strike

:35:32.:35:33.

for fear of a witch hunt. They show the then Home

:35:34.:35:36.

Secretary Leon Brittan discouraged any inquiry

:35:37.:35:38.

into the conduct of the police Miners were disappointed last year

:35:39.:35:41.

when the Home Secretary Amber Rudd ruled there would be no

:35:42.:35:46.

inquiry into the so-called Watching nature documentaries

:35:47.:35:48.

makes us happier. That's according to a new study

:35:49.:35:55.

by Californian academics. They say that watching nature

:35:56.:35:58.

programmes and animal documentaries can reduce our stress levels,

:35:59.:36:00.

and even watching short clips of programmes like this one

:36:01.:36:03.

from Planet Earth Two can significantly increase

:36:04.:36:06.

positive emotions. Did that do the trick for you, the

:36:07.:36:24.

flamingos? They were amazing. It is true, even watching short clips

:36:25.:36:28.

helps you. I don't know why that is, what is it? It just takes you out of

:36:29.:36:34.

your ordinary life. Unless it goes for Blair on. That's the key thing,

:36:35.:36:39.

the happiness is greater if there has been a thrilling trace -- unless

:36:40.:36:47.

it goes horribly wrong. David Attenborough should watch out! You

:36:48.:36:52.

knew it was a giraffe! If there has been a chase, chased by a lion, the

:36:53.:36:57.

feeling of relief and exhortation and ecstasy at the end is far

:36:58.:37:00.

greater and that was the same for Barcelona last night.

:37:01.:37:02.

Thinking they were down and out, they had been caught by the snakes,

:37:03.:37:08.

the lion, but they escaped and they did the impossible! This is all the

:37:09.:37:12.

last seven minutes of the match. They are three goals behind. The

:37:13.:37:18.

context is 4-0 down from the first leg and then PSG score a goal in the

:37:19.:37:24.

second tie to make it impossible, Gary Lineker said the game was over

:37:25.:37:28.

in a tweet, but no, seven minutes, three goals to turn it around and

:37:29.:37:31.

this is how the Spanish commentator described the last seven minutes.

:37:32.:37:46.

Gol gol gol! It sums up the mayhem and the pandemonium.

:37:47.:37:49.

The goalkeeper playing up front. The manager was sliding onto the pitch

:37:50.:37:53.

and the commentator went on and on for seven minutes because Sergi

:37:54.:37:57.

Roberto scored with virtually the last kick of the game to complete

:37:58.:38:02.

the impossible. The party continued afterwards, tears, people jumping on

:38:03.:38:04.

each other in celebration. It is the biggest recovery

:38:05.:38:05.

in Champions League history, and finished 6-5 on aggregate

:38:06.:38:09.

with Barcelona are through Olly Foster watched

:38:10.:38:11.

the match unfold. Neymar, Messi and Suarez,

:38:12.:38:14.

the most feared strike force Barcelona's motto is "more

:38:15.:38:16.

than a club", but no club had overturned such a deficit

:38:17.:38:22.

in the Champions League. An early goal would give them hope,

:38:23.:38:24.

Suarez's header just This would be the match

:38:25.:38:26.

about the finest of margins and the referee's

:38:27.:38:32.

sometimes-debatable judgement. Lionel Messi scored

:38:33.:38:33.

a third for Barca. One more to level the tie

:38:34.:38:40.

or one more for PSG, a cracker from Cavani that should

:38:41.:38:44.

have put the tie to bed. An away goal that left

:38:45.:38:48.

Barca needing three. Two minutes to go

:38:49.:38:50.

when Neymar did that. The 90 minutes were up when Neymar

:38:51.:38:54.

converted another suspect penalty and with practically

:38:55.:38:57.

the last kick of the match, Sergi Roberto stayed onside,

:38:58.:39:00.

swamped by his teammates. How Arsenal could have done with a

:39:01.:39:23.

comeback like that the other night against Bayern Munich!

:39:24.:39:24.

Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho has described

:39:25.:39:25.

their Europa League tie against Rostov bad

:39:26.:39:27.

near the Black Sea and Mourinho doesn't think the pitch is fit

:39:28.:39:33.

Uefa have admitted that it isn't perfect but won't call

:39:34.:39:37.

Mourinho says the state of the surface means team selection

:39:38.:39:40.

I find it hard to believe we are going to play on that field,

:39:41.:39:46.

I don't know which team to play really.

:39:47.:39:53.

I don't know if Mkhitaryaan is going to play, I don't know.

:39:54.:39:57.

Manchester City failed to move up to second in the Premier League

:39:58.:40:00.

after drawing 0-0 at home to Stoke City.

:40:01.:40:03.

It was a game of few clear cut chances.

:40:04.:40:05.

Kelechi Iheanacho put City's last wide from close range.

:40:06.:40:10.

It's the first time they have failed to score at home since Pep Guardiola

:40:11.:40:14.

took over and means Chelsea remain ten points clear at the top

:40:15.:40:17.

Spurs are above City on goal difference

:40:18.:40:28.

An all British tie in the WTA event at Indian Wells in California.

:40:29.:40:35.

Heather Watson came from a set down to beat the American Gibson to reach

:40:36.:40:39.

the second round where yuan Konta is waiting, the first time they have

:40:40.:40:41.

ever played each other on the tour. England's cricketers are in Barbados

:40:42.:40:43.

for today's third and final one day international

:40:44.:40:46.

against West Indies. They've already won the fist two

:40:47.:40:48.

games so the series is already in the bag, and with

:40:49.:40:51.

the Champions Trophy later this

:40:52.:40:53.

year, bowler Chris Woakes believes England have a great chance

:40:54.:40:55.

of winning a major trophy. We haven't seen an England team

:40:56.:40:58.

in ODI cricket play the way this And particularly with the bat,

:40:59.:41:01.

it's fantastic to watch the majority I know we had a little slip-up

:41:02.:41:06.

the other day but they're very few Hopefully we can produce

:41:07.:41:10.

the goods at the right time. Tournament cricket is completely

:41:11.:41:15.

different to playing in a series so that will be a different

:41:16.:41:18.

challenge, but I think we've got the best chance as we've

:41:19.:41:21.

probably ever had. Double Olympic gold-medallist

:41:22.:41:23.

Max Whitlock will miss the British and European Championships

:41:24.:41:25.

to focus on preparing for the World Championships

:41:26.:41:27.

in September. Whitlock has only recently returned

:41:28.:41:29.

to full time training after his successes

:41:30.:41:31.

in Rio last summer. He suffered from glandular fever two

:41:32.:41:35.

years ago and says he needs to manage his body if he's

:41:36.:41:38.

to compete at the highest level. He tries to find the trademark move

:41:39.:41:57.

he's going to name after himself. Back to the Barca tweets, Michael

:41:58.:42:01.

Owen is only getting his breath back he said and Gary Lineker said good

:42:02.:42:06.

heavens! Thanks very much and see you later!

:42:07.:42:06.

For 1,000 years, the sound of St Paul's Cathedral Choir has

:42:07.:42:09.

been heard at some of the most important national occasions.

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But until now, only men or boys have been full-time members.

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That's changed with the appointment of Carris Jones

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She'll take up her role in September, although the move has

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been criticised in some circles as political correctness.

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Carris joins us now from central London

:42:25.:42:29.

along with St Paul's Director of Music Andrew Carwood.

:42:30.:42:32.

Good morning to you both. Good morning. Good morning. Carris Jones,

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congratulations, you've made history. It appears so, completely

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overwhelming. You won't be the first woman to have ever sung with the

:42:47.:42:51.

choir but the keyword is permanent, isn't it? Exactly, the trail has

:42:52.:42:56.

been blazed before by some extremely talented colleagues of mine who have

:42:57.:43:01.

appeared as part of the choir as deputies, ad hoc singers. I will be

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the first full-time member of the choir that's the mail. Using alto as

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you just mentioned, what does that mean, where do you fit? -- that's

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female. Arising between the top line, sung by boys, and the ten

:43:19.:43:26.

line, sung by men -- buys it. Andrew, why was it time for a

:43:27.:43:30.

permanent female member of staff? It is very simple for me because you

:43:31.:43:34.

have to have the best person and Carris was the best, we had a

:43:35.:43:38.

wonderful shortlist with very strong applicants and we considered

:43:39.:43:43.

considered and listened. But the best thing is we have very flexible

:43:44.:43:48.

singers in Britain in the choral tradition and they do what they are

:43:49.:43:52.

told and that's why we have the best choirs in the world. It's no

:43:53.:43:56.

surprise a woman can sing as well as a man on an alto part. What do you

:43:57.:44:02.

say to the traditionalists who say that the choir should remain

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all-male? What you have to do is look at other people and how

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successful they are, there are successful chamber choirs in this

:44:12.:44:14.

country and other cathedral choirs with women singing on the alto line.

:44:15.:44:20.

We are dealing with stereotypes. There's no stereotypical male voice

:44:21.:44:25.

and no stereotypical female voice. They all do a variety of things and

:44:26.:44:32.

some singers... Other people are just perfect and can be flexible and

:44:33.:44:38.

Carris is one of those. It's a great development. Carris, what kind of

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reaction have you had, especially amongst your colleagues. From my

:44:43.:44:47.

colleagues it has been overwhelming, very positive, I have been so

:44:48.:44:51.

touched and born up really by people getting in touch saying how thrilled

:44:52.:44:55.

they are, male and female, that this has happened. Couldn't have been

:44:56.:45:00.

more positive really. What are you most looking forward to when

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performing with the choir? I'm looking forward to all of it really!

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It is quite the routine and very different to what I'm currently used

:45:11.:45:13.

to in my freelance work. I'm actually looking forward to getting

:45:14.:45:17.

into the rhythm of my ex- services we can being part of being such a

:45:18.:45:22.

wonderful organisation and singing in such a fabulous building -- ex-

:45:23.:45:27.

services week and. We heard the bells, would you give us a tiny

:45:28.:45:32.

moment and a bit of music to start the day, what would be your musical

:45:33.:45:37.

interlude this morning? Goodness me, it is very early for singing!

:45:38.:45:42.

Goodness knows what could happen! That is a bit mean, isn't it? It is

:45:43.:45:48.

a bit. Carris, you're heavily pregnant, I know you want to sit

:45:49.:45:52.

down so we will let you do that. Thank you brain much. Thank you. It

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is a bit early -- thank you very much. It is a bit early to be doing

:45:59.:46:05.

anything like that! Carol, you can sing, you can sing, can't you?

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Charlie, not in a million years! Good morning.

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I apologise for my earlier mistake when I said temperatures were mild

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for this stage in January, of course I meant... We will see temperatures

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in the midst of teams, maybe higher and a lot of sunshine around. Not

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everywhere. A weather front is producing showers but they will move

:46:32.:46:36.

away in northern and eastern areas but a stubborn one which has in

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score is across the... Especially in Cornwall. This morning we have some

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showers and drizzle, that will go and in the late morning to the

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afternoon we have a beautiful afternoon in much of the British

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Isles. Temperatures in the south-east could hit 16 or more, in

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Wales a similar story. It is windy in Northern Ireland, central England

:47:22.:47:25.

and Scotland, easing through the morning. In western Scotland

:47:26.:47:28.

sunshine came through with earlier showers fading, except in the

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Northern Isles, we will hang onto them, and in the evening the wind

:47:34.:47:36.

will ease. Through the evening our weather front in the south-west will

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pivot and come to other Western and northern areas, introducing some

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patchy bits of light rain and drizzle, mostly on the coasts and

:47:45.:47:48.

hills and under clearer skies in the east it will be cold enough for a

:47:49.:47:52.

touch of frost but here it means first thing we will see sunshine. It

:47:53.:47:57.

won't last. Tomorrow will be cloudier than today as our Western

:47:58.:48:01.

front edges to the east through the day. As it does, some of us will

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brighten up when we see sunshine, especially if you're in the shelter

:48:07.:48:10.

of Benny hills. For Scotland and the far north of northern England

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tomorrow it will be cooler than today -- any hills. For tomorrow,

:48:15.:48:18.

temperatures down on today in Northern Ireland but still above

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average for this stage in March. Into the weekend, another weekend

:48:23.:48:26.

crosses asked down towards the south east through the day, then a lull

:48:27.:48:30.

and then on Sunday a cold front comes in from the Atlantic. --

:48:31.:48:36.

crosses asked. It won't turn cold, it will be to load than it is at the

:48:37.:48:42.

moment. -- crosses has. A dry and brighter note ahead of this weather

:48:43.:48:47.

front. A narrow band of rain, not particularly heavy and brighter

:48:48.:48:50.

skies behind it for Scotland and Northern Ireland. Temperatures

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between nine and 14. As we head into Sunday, they cold front coming in

:48:56.:49:00.

from the Atlantic introducing that rain, cooler conditions following on

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in that breeze behind it but behind it again there will be sunshine

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coming through. The temperatures dipping on Sunday and the early part

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of the week, turning more unsettled and the temperatures rise through

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the middle of next week. All change once again.

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Thanks very much. We will talk to you again soon.

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So has the Budget left you better or worse off?

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This week Steph has been out on the road looking at what people

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This morning she's back, and she's got a crowd of people

:49:33.:49:36.

outside our studio, to find out if they're happy

:49:37.:49:38.

Good morning and good morning, everybody. You could say it's a

:49:39.:49:44.

pop-up studio because we have lots of people coming in and out today.

:49:45.:50:13.

you have been looking at what impact the budget will have on different

:50:14.:50:17.

generations, who has it worked out well for? There's a few things we

:50:18.:50:21.

can look to that benefit certain generations. We start with social

:50:22.:50:25.

care, the Baby Boomers, the generation now in the final phase of

:50:26.:50:30.

their careers or entering retirement will welcome the extra funding given

:50:31.:50:34.

their increasingly caregivers for parents, partners and many of them

:50:35.:50:40.

will receive care themselves. To the other end of the scale, the

:50:41.:50:45.

millennials, born in the 80s and 90s, some funding on technical

:50:46.:50:48.

education is welcome but it is quite small and the big thing missing

:50:49.:50:52.

yesterday was anything on housing, which is the real concern for that

:50:53.:50:57.

generation. Gen X in the middle, the increases in National Insurance for

:50:58.:51:00.

the self-employed will hit this group, about half of the increases

:51:01.:51:05.

will come from members of gen X. The big picture for this generation is

:51:06.:51:10.

the large cuts to welfare that this government in Heritage will really

:51:11.:51:14.

hit family incomes in gen X, but actually there's workers and

:51:15.:51:19.

families in every generation. That bleak outlook for family incomes

:51:20.:51:24.

that was maintained in yesterday's Vigurs hits those prime age really

:51:25.:51:28.

across the age range and that is a big story. Thanks very much for your

:51:29.:51:37.

time. We have a VIP area. Everyone who has something to say. Let me

:51:38.:51:43.

move in here. Morning everyone. Let me start with you, Gary. You are and

:51:44.:51:49.

events entrepreneur. We have heard about changes to national insurance

:51:50.:51:53.

contributions. Also as well the dividend tax and the taxi will have

:51:54.:51:58.

to pay when you take dividends out of your company, what are your

:51:59.:52:01.

thoughts? That will strangle the intention for people to become

:52:02.:52:03.

entrepreneurs, to become entrepreneurial. I am not suggesting

:52:04.:52:09.

that is why they got into it but it is a benefit to have. I can see that

:52:10.:52:15.

it will affect their ability to get past those breaking point and be

:52:16.:52:19.

sustainable. It is hard enough for many people as entrepreneurs to

:52:20.:52:23.

become sustainable. It might take between one in five years. I deal

:52:24.:52:33.

with, well, I say, I don't personally, but there are 4000

:52:34.:52:35.

freelancers and entertainment producers in and around the music

:52:36.:52:42.

business who will be affected next year and they don't have time to

:52:43.:52:47.

prepare for it. I don't think they understand how it comes back to

:52:48.:52:51.

them, even if it might come back with the full benefit in their

:52:52.:52:55.

pensions, it is not the way it has been delivered at the moment. You

:52:56.:52:58.

think it will put people off? For sure. I know that you are trying to

:52:59.:53:03.

set up a business at the moment, Abbie, so what did you think of

:53:04.:53:07.

yesterday? Even though it has a short-term negative effect

:53:08.:53:12.

ultimately people who want to be entrepreneurs will do that. The

:53:13.:53:16.

thing I was concerned with, though I can see the benefits, is increase in

:53:17.:53:20.

NI for self-employed people. National insurance. Yes. There is a

:53:21.:53:26.

lot that goes into it and wages are not stable. So, to pay more tax

:53:27.:53:32.

could be a deterrent for people to pursue that route. We know that this

:53:33.:53:36.

is what a lot of young people want to do. So does it go against the

:53:37.:53:41.

grain? I think it might. And Toby, we spoke at the beginning of the

:53:42.:53:45.

week, your concern was around housing. There wasn't anything about

:53:46.:53:49.

housing? People my age have this big concern that it is difficult to get

:53:50.:53:52.

on the housing ladder because we cannot rent at an affordable rate in

:53:53.:53:56.

the first place. The government hasn't done anything on this. They

:53:57.:54:01.

have a white paper last month but it was a feeble document without much

:54:02.:54:05.

in it that I saw would change things. And I saw the ex- Housing

:54:06.:54:10.

Minister say it wouldn't change anything and they have to get on and

:54:11.:54:14.

build more houses. And I want to talk skills, another issue, and for

:54:15.:54:19.

you, I know that you met with the government last week, that is a big

:54:20.:54:23.

thing for you, and we have changes in technical education. What are

:54:24.:54:28.

your thoughts? There is a need for education reform. 500 million will

:54:29.:54:33.

help companies like us in the north to recruit and develop skilled

:54:34.:54:37.

workers in the UK so I think it is needed but it is more important as a

:54:38.:54:41.

start, just a drop in terms what needs to happen in the education

:54:42.:54:46.

system. So you think that these technical education levels,

:54:47.:54:48.

equivalent to A-levels, or make a difference? Yes, wider reform will

:54:49.:54:53.

be needed to produce skilled workers needed. Thank you for your time. I

:54:54.:55:00.

know we will talk to more of you. We have experts and entrepreneurs to

:55:01.:55:06.

find out what it means. We have only given to view a drink. Awkward. --

:55:07.:55:12.

two of you a drink. Come on, work harder, do more. It is austerity,

:55:13.:55:15.

that is what it is. Coming up later on Breakfast,

:55:16.:55:18.

we'll be joined by pop-band Steps. # tragedy, when the feeling is gone

:55:19.:55:29.

and you can't go on, it is a tragedy. 20 years? Can you believe

:55:30.:55:31.

it? 20 years after their dance moves

:55:32.:55:33.

and costumes made their mark on the British pop scene,

:55:34.:55:36.

they'll be here to tell us I knew you were going to do that. We

:55:37.:55:46.

were concentrating really hard. I am trying to learn it. I will get

:55:47.:55:48.

there. Time now to get the news,

:55:49.:55:48.

travel and weather where you are. Hello, this is Breakfast

:55:49.:55:50.

with Charlie Stayt and Sally Nugent. The Chancellor accused

:55:51.:59:45.

of breaking an election promise Employed and self-employed use the

:59:46.:59:51.

public services in the same way but they are not paying for them in the

:59:52.:59:53.

same way. Philip Hammond says his Budget

:59:54.:59:56.

announcement makes the system fairer but faces criticism from Tory

:59:57.:59:59.

backbenchers about the impact Also in the Budget,

:00:00.:00:01.

there was the promise of an extra ?2 billion for social care and big

:00:02.:00:04.

changes education in England. I'm here this morning

:00:05.:00:11.

with experts and people affected to see how the announcements

:00:12.:00:13.

have gone down. Good morning, it's

:00:14.:00:25.

Thursday, 9th March. A new memorial to honour the British

:00:26.:00:27.

military personnel and civilians In sport, they're calling it one

:00:28.:00:35.

of the greatest European ties ever. Barcelona make Champions League

:00:36.:00:47.

history by coming from 4-0 down against Paris Saint Germain,

:00:48.:00:50.

to win with practically And two years after historic

:00:51.:00:51.

Clandon Park House was gutted by fire, we report on the start

:00:52.:00:58.

of the huge restoration task. A fairly windy start to the day.

:00:59.:01:13.

Regardless of what you have at the moment, it will blossom into a sunny

:01:14.:01:21.

day except across Cornwall and the Channel Islands. More details in 15

:01:22.:01:22.

minutes. Thank you. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

:01:23.:01:26.

is facing accusations of breaking an election pledge,

:01:27.:01:30.

by increasing national insurance contributions for many self-employed

:01:31.:01:33.

workers in yesterday's budget. He's facing growing pressure

:01:34.:01:35.

to reconsider his plan from some The Treasury has defended

:01:36.:01:51.

the increase, saying it will return The amount self-employed workers

:01:52.:01:51.

will pay will rise from 9% It means an average

:01:52.:01:52.

increase of ?240 a year. And it'll affect around 2 million

:01:53.:02:01.

workers across the UK, raising ?145 million a year

:02:02.:02:08.

for the Treasury by 2022. Our political correspondent,

:02:09.:02:11.

Eleanor Garnier, is in Westminster The Chancellor may have been

:02:12.:02:18.

cracking jokes yesterday, but today, certainly in the papers, not much

:02:19.:02:23.

fun for him to be reading. He has woken up to a row this morning over

:02:24.:02:29.

the changes to National Insurance. Criticism of the policy. Some

:02:30.:02:35.

critical Tories saying it does little to encourage enterprise. One

:02:36.:02:39.

said he was worried it might hit voters he described as working white

:02:40.:02:45.

van men. There is also criticism it might have broken an election

:02:46.:02:48.

promise by the Conservatives in 2015. The Chancellor told Breakfast

:02:49.:02:55.

he told it had all been decided after the election. When I

:02:56.:03:01.

approached this issue yesterday, we had resolved this issue in 2015. Now

:03:02.:03:06.

Britain faces a different set of circumstances and we have to look at

:03:07.:03:10.

this issue in the round in the light of where Britain is to date, the

:03:11.:03:17.

need to fund social care, to invest in Britain's future, the skills the

:03:18.:03:22.

next generation need and to do it in a way that is prudent and conserves

:03:23.:03:26.

firepower as we go through this period of negotiation with the EU to

:03:27.:03:32.

make sure Britain can benefit from Brexit and the opportunities that

:03:33.:03:37.

will lie ahead. Labour have weighed in, saying the Government is

:03:38.:03:44.

breaking promises. Elsewhere in the Budget, more money for social care

:03:45.:03:49.

to help ease the creaking system. Help to soften the blow for those

:03:50.:03:53.

changes to business rates that small firms were worried about. Labour say

:03:54.:03:58.

the money put aside for social care was not enough. I think the changes

:03:59.:04:05.

to National Insurance really have overshadowed anything positive the

:04:06.:04:09.

Chancellor had to say yesterday and it is going to be interesting to see

:04:10.:04:12.

how the row plays out. For the moment, thank you.

:04:13.:04:16.

Steph is outside the studio with some experts still

:04:17.:04:18.

crunching the number - how are the changes being received?

:04:19.:04:20.

Good morning. Lots of people trying to work out what the changes

:04:21.:04:28.

actually mean. Not least self-employed people. We have got

:04:29.:04:35.

Kelly and Rebecca, a tax expert. Kelly, you are self-employed, for

:04:36.:04:39.

the last 12 hours, you have been trying to work out what it means.

:04:40.:04:43.

What difference will it make? I run a small business and when I

:04:44.:04:47.

incorporated last year what I looked at was dividend taxation. They

:04:48.:04:51.

brought in the dividend tax for this new financial year and it means you

:04:52.:04:56.

are getting less of your taxation but at the same time, you have the

:04:57.:05:01.

allowance, ?5,000, which makes a bit of a difference, a couple of hundred

:05:02.:05:06.

pounds. Eroding it to ?2000 will make an impact. You do not take a

:05:07.:05:12.

salary from your business, you pay yourself dividends and now you will

:05:13.:05:16.

pay more tax on it. Exactly. With the increase in the national

:05:17.:05:20.

insurance contributions, it is sending a message that they want

:05:21.:05:24.

people to be employed rather than self-employed and it will probably

:05:25.:05:28.

put people off making the choice to be freelancers and small business

:05:29.:05:32.

owners. We heard the Chancellor talking about fairness, making the

:05:33.:05:38.

system fairer for those employed and self-employed, what are your

:05:39.:05:41.

thoughts? The Government are talking about long-term fairness. What they

:05:42.:05:45.

have focused in on the measure is the pension benefits people will get

:05:46.:05:51.

at the end. Historically, more people are employed and

:05:52.:05:54.

self-employed. The self-employed paid less National Insurance to

:05:55.:05:57.

reflect the risk they were at starting their own business. Now the

:05:58.:06:01.

Government have set their pensions equal in the long term so it is

:06:02.:06:05.

about asking the self-employed to contribute more based on what they

:06:06.:06:09.

will get at the end. We will talk more about it later. Other issues

:06:10.:06:16.

came up to do with business rates, and technical education and the

:06:17.:06:19.

changes coming with that and the extra money for social care. Pretty

:06:20.:06:23.

busy here this morning. We have enough mugs to give everyone a

:06:24.:06:30.

drink! Thank goodness for that. I knew she

:06:31.:06:31.

would sort it. We'll be speaking to

:06:32.:06:34.

the Shadow Chancellor, Labour's John McDonnell,

:06:35.:06:36.

in a few minutes' time. Scotland's First Minister,

:06:37.:06:40.

Nicola Sturgeon, has told the BBC that the common sense time

:06:41.:06:42.

for a second independence referendum would be

:06:43.:06:46.

autumn next year. A vote can only take

:06:47.:06:47.

place with the permission But her remarks, to the BBC's

:06:48.:06:50.

political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, are the clearest signal yet

:06:51.:06:55.

that the SNP is planning to hold another vote

:06:56.:06:57.

before the UK leaves In Westminster some politicians

:06:58.:07:06.

think you are bluffing. I am not and I never have been. I would think it

:07:07.:07:11.

sometimes says more about them than about me. It suggests our

:07:12.:07:18.

politicians in Westminster who think it is a game. It is not a game, it

:07:19.:07:23.

is serious. The implications for the UK and Scotland are serious. Some of

:07:24.:07:28.

your colleagues talk about autumn, 2018, as a likely date. Within that

:07:29.:07:33.

window of when the outline of the UK deal becomes clear and the UK

:07:34.:07:41.

exiting the EU, I think that would be the common sense time for

:07:42.:07:45.

Scotland to have a choice, if that is the road we choose to go down.

:07:46.:07:50.

You are not ruling out autumn, 2018? I am not ruling anything out, no.

:07:51.:07:57.

No police misconduct has been identified so far by the police

:07:58.:07:59.

watchdog investigating the Rotherham child abuse scandal.

:08:00.:08:01.

But the Independent Police Complaints Commission say it's

:08:02.:08:03.

identified "significant failings" in the way survivors and alleged

:08:04.:08:05.

The commission is looking at allegations which include 91

:08:06.:08:08.

A United Nations report is to call for an independent investigation

:08:09.:08:13.

into the potential health impact of the UK's largest

:08:14.:08:15.

Residents living near the Ffos-y-Fran site in South Wales

:08:16.:08:21.

have led a long campaign against air and noise pollution,

:08:22.:08:24.

Cut into the side of the valley east of Merthyr Tydfil,

:08:25.:08:34.

this is Ffos-y-Fran opencast mine, the size of some 400

:08:35.:08:36.

Since 2007, a private company's been digging here, right

:08:37.:08:46.

What you're looking at, the mountain there, that

:08:47.:08:55.

My biggest effect is the dust, absolutely

:08:56.:08:59.

For more than a decade, some locals have been

:09:00.:09:02.

from the mine has been causing breathing and sleeping problems.

:09:03.:09:06.

They've held protests and petitioned the local council,

:09:07.:09:08.

Now BBC News has learned the United Nations is set to make

:09:09.:09:16.

A report by its special rapporteur on the human rights of communities

:09:17.:09:21.

at risk of pollution will call for an independent investigation

:09:22.:09:25.

into claims this mine could be harming local people's health.

:09:26.:09:27.

He'd met local campaigners as part of an official visit

:09:28.:09:30.

I came across a number of pressing issues but this was definitely

:09:31.:09:35.

I heard allegations of very high rates of childhood asthma,

:09:36.:09:41.

I didn't hear any evidence of a strong intervention

:09:42.:09:47.

Merthyr Tydfil Council said his findings were based

:09:48.:09:51.

on unsubstantiated claims by the local community.

:09:52.:09:54.

The mine's operator insisted it had a proud record

:09:55.:09:57.

The Co-operative bank has reported an annual loss

:09:58.:10:09.

The troubled bank has been trying to turn around its fortunes

:10:10.:10:23.

after a ?1.5 billion black hole was discovered

:10:24.:10:25.

Last month it was announced that the bank, which has

:10:26.:10:29.

4 million customers, was putting itself up for sale.

:10:30.:10:37.

Malta's famous rock arch, that featured in a number of films

:10:38.:10:39.

and the TV series Game of Thrones, has collapsed into the sea.

:10:40.:10:42.

The Azure Window was damaged by heavy storms.

:10:43.:10:47.

The Prime Minister, Joseph Muscat, said it was heartbreaking.

:10:48.:10:52.

A study of the arch in 2013 said it was eroding.

:10:53.:11:00.

The weather coming up later and the sport.

:11:01.:11:04.

Let's get some more on the fallout to yesterday's Budget.

:11:05.:11:10.

Labour's Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, is in our

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The front pages, no laughing matter, joking in the Commons yesterday, you

:11:13.:11:21.

must have looked at this morning's papers and felt quite pleased. Not

:11:22.:11:27.

really. I represent one of the areas where there are a large number of my

:11:28.:11:31.

constituents who are self-employed, the sole traders, and they have been

:11:32.:11:36.

hit by this quite hard. There is a general sense of unfairness. I am

:11:37.:11:41.

hoping that will be -- that we will be able to persuade the Chancellor

:11:42.:11:45.

to back off. The Labour Party will oppose this and I think other

:11:46.:11:50.

parties will as well. We may be able to persuade enough Conservative MPs

:11:51.:11:53.

to ask the Chancellor to think again. It is going to hit middle and

:11:54.:11:59.

low earners in particular at a time when consumer spending on recent

:12:00.:12:04.

figures is dipping. These sole traders, the self-employed, they are

:12:05.:12:09.

usually at the front line when the consumer spending dips and they are

:12:10.:12:12.

the ones who suffer the most. It is the wrong policy but the wrong time.

:12:13.:12:17.

Your initial reaction yesterday was one of anger, I heard you speaking

:12:18.:12:21.

about this, you said you were angry. Watching you in the Budget, you

:12:22.:12:26.

said, they just don't care. Do you still feel angry today? Yes, I do. I

:12:27.:12:33.

was angry at this because I honestly thought that we were going to have a

:12:34.:12:37.

proper consultation on the self-employed. There is an issue,

:12:38.:12:42.

the bogus offer employment, the number of people who are forced into

:12:43.:12:45.

self-employment who should be directly employed. As a result, they

:12:46.:12:50.

are in insecure work. They do not get statutory sick pay, maternity

:12:51.:12:56.

pay, maternity pay. I thought we would have a proper cross-party

:12:57.:13:01.

discussion to tackle it and look at the long-term future of

:13:02.:13:03.

self-employment and how the self-employed, if they were going to

:13:04.:13:07.

pay more, would get access to the full range of benefits be employed

:13:08.:13:12.

get. I was angry it was bounced in. Yes, it was a Conservative manifesto

:13:13.:13:17.

commitment that they wouldn't. I thought they would abide by it. I

:13:18.:13:22.

was angry about what happened on social care and the lack of any

:13:23.:13:25.

money for the NHS to tackle the crisis it is in. The Chancellor

:13:26.:13:30.

would say he is making it fairer and giving a huge amount of money to

:13:31.:13:33.

social care over the following three years. Also, he is taking more tax

:13:34.:13:42.

of wealthy business owners and people on the lowest incomes will

:13:43.:13:43.

not be adversely affected by this. The middle and low earners who will

:13:44.:13:49.

be. You have put the out there, ?250 a year from about ?20,000 earnings.

:13:50.:13:57.

At a time when they are already struggling. On the social care, we

:13:58.:14:02.

were led to believe that he would match the funding the independent

:14:03.:14:07.

assessment by the King's Fund, for example, the experts, have said is

:14:08.:14:11.

needed immediately. They say we need 2 billion immediately. He then

:14:12.:14:15.

announced 2 billion over three years. It is just a sticking

:14:16.:14:19.

plaster. It will mean large numbers of people will not get the care they

:14:20.:14:23.

need. We have all ready seen 4.5 billion cut from social care by this

:14:24.:14:27.

government. 1 million people not getting the care they need. It will

:14:28.:14:31.

go nowhere near tackling the crisis. People are suffering. I am sure the

:14:32.:14:36.

Chancellor would say that the money he has already pledged has got to

:14:37.:14:40.

come from somewhere. If you were doing his job, where would it come

:14:41.:14:45.

from? It was interesting yesterday, he was posting, this was what

:14:46.:14:49.

annoyed me, boasting about his cuts to corporation tax. What that means,

:14:50.:14:55.

he is cutting corporation tax, an example, to a company called Uber

:14:56.:15:03.

while increasing the National Insurance payments of a driver for

:15:04.:15:08.

Uber. It is unfair. I would not be giving away money to the rich in

:15:09.:15:14.

capital gains tax, reducing the bank of's -- the bankers' levy. It is

:15:15.:15:22.

about values, we need a fair taxation system which ensures people

:15:23.:15:26.

get access to social care and the NHS. Their values seems to be giving

:15:27.:15:32.

more money to the rich rather than caring for the wider society. Not

:15:33.:15:37.

acceptable. How do you think your leader did yesterday? I thought he

:15:38.:15:42.

did very well. He was angry too. You could see that in the passion he

:15:43.:15:46.

displayed. He raised the issue of the self-employed and then the

:15:47.:15:51.

number crunching went on. What was interesting, as the details were

:15:52.:15:57.

analysed, across the House, it was not just Labour MPs, Conservative

:15:58.:16:02.

MPs raising concerns. There is the potential here, if we can get enough

:16:03.:16:07.

Conservative MPs supporting us, we can say to the Government, this is

:16:08.:16:11.

not the way forward on the issue of self-employment, you need a proper

:16:12.:16:15.

consultation. People like the Federation of Small Businesses we

:16:16.:16:19.

have been working with. Tackle bogus self-employment. Make sure the

:16:20.:16:23.

self-employed have access to all the benefits others do.

:16:24.:16:28.

I just want to bring you back to the question about Jeremy Corbyn's

:16:29.:16:34.

performance yesterday. Philip Hammond said during his speech,

:16:35.:16:38.

driverless car is something the party opposite note something about.

:16:39.:16:45.

He was making jokes about the leadership of your party. I thought

:16:46.:16:50.

it was nasty but to be frank, I want a chance in charge of the economy

:16:51.:16:54.

not a comedian. Yesterday was not the day, when you are inflicting

:16:55.:16:58.

suffering on people by raising national insurance, you aren't

:16:59.:17:01.

addressing the NHS or the problems in social care, it wasn't a day for

:17:02.:17:08.

jokes. To be frank, it was more stand-up than serious economic.

:17:09.:17:09.

Thank you. Here's Carol with a look

:17:10.:17:16.

at this morning's weather. Good morning. We've got some

:17:17.:17:24.

stunning pictures to show you. This was taken this morning in

:17:25.:17:29.

Pembrokeshire. Look at that sunrise, spectacular. In Derbyshire, a

:17:30.:17:33.

similar story. Beautiful blue skies and for many that will be the

:17:34.:17:37.

weather today. If you're just stepping out, across the board it is

:17:38.:17:47.

mild. A bit more new PR across parts of the Highlands. Many of us will

:17:48.:17:53.

have sunny spells and it will be mild, regardless of what you

:17:54.:17:58.

currently have. At the moment there is some cloud around and showers and

:17:59.:18:03.

rain. You can see that pushing away. We have a weather front across the

:18:04.:18:06.

Channel Islands and Cornwall and that will be with us for much of the

:18:07.:18:12.

day. That producing low cloud, dank, murky conditions. Poor visibility at

:18:13.:18:17.

times as well. The cloud and the showers fade and we will see a lot

:18:18.:18:21.

of sunshine developed. Very windy across parts of Northern Ireland,

:18:22.:18:26.

central and southern island and that will ease as we go through the day.

:18:27.:18:34.

Into the afternoon you will see we hang the murky conditions for

:18:35.:18:38.

Cornwall and the channel islands. Sunny spells developing on, there

:18:39.:18:44.

will be some cloud bubbling up. Some places in the south-east could hit

:18:45.:18:48.

16 Celsius. A pleasant afternoon across Northern Ireland, northern

:18:49.:18:52.

England and much of Scotland. Across the Northern Isles will hang onto

:18:53.:18:58.

those showers. The wind went ease until we get into the evening. Under

:18:59.:19:03.

clear skies in eastern areas the temperature will drop quickly and we

:19:04.:19:08.

will be prone to a touch of ground frost. Meanwhile our weather front

:19:09.:19:12.

in the south-west comes in through western and northern areas,

:19:13.:19:15.

introducing thick cloud, drizzle and patchy rain. Most of which will be

:19:16.:19:20.

in the hills and the coasts. Tomorrow morning we start off with a

:19:21.:19:24.

patchy rain, continuing to drift east. It. Dry and bright but through

:19:25.:19:30.

the day the cloud will advance taking some of its rain with it,

:19:31.:19:34.

largely across the far north of the country. Behind it it will brighten

:19:35.:19:39.

up. Some sunshine coming through, particularly in the shelter of the

:19:40.:19:43.

hills. Further north, temperatures down on today. For Northern Ireland,

:19:44.:19:48.

the rest of England and Wales, although the temperatures will be

:19:49.:19:52.

down a touch we are still way above average for this stage in March. In

:19:53.:19:57.

the weekend, this weather front continuing to move down to the

:19:58.:20:03.

south-east. Then we've got another weather front coming in from the

:20:04.:20:06.

west during Sunday. Cooler conditions coming in behind it.

:20:07.:20:12.

Suddenly turning very cold, cooler than it has been and it's going to

:20:13.:20:15.

be through the course of the next few days. A question for you. What's

:20:16.:20:23.

your favourite animal? Cats of course. Will the king of the picture

:20:24.:20:30.

of a cat make you calm? Yes, I love cats. The reason I ask if there is a

:20:31.:20:44.

survey out. Experts have decided that looking at animals can calm you

:20:45.:20:51.

down. I always think if you have a stressed child, or a toddler having

:20:52.:20:56.

a tantrum, put them in front of a nature programme. Have a look at

:20:57.:20:57.

this. I feel better already! Which one

:20:58.:22:05.

does it for you? Anything that looks like a monkey, particularly the baby

:22:06.:22:13.

once. It's the orangutan for me. They never seem to be in a rush. Let

:22:14.:22:20.

us know what your favourite animal is. Also, putting an animal in a lap

:22:21.:22:29.

is a good thing. That would depend what it was! Maybe not a flamingo!

:22:30.:22:31.

LAUGHTER When fire raged through Clandon Park

:22:32.:22:35.

House in Surrey in April 2015, the 18th century mansion was reduced

:22:36.:22:38.

to a charred shell. The National Trust says that

:22:39.:22:41.

restoring the stately home will be its biggest conservation

:22:42.:22:43.

effort in a generation. Today it's launching a ?30 million

:22:44.:22:45.

campaign to find a designer who'll Breakfast's Graham Satchell has

:22:46.:22:47.

been to find out how April 2015 and fire ripped

:22:48.:22:51.

through Clandon Park House. It burned all night

:22:52.:23:01.

and much of the next day. A masterpiece of the 1720s,

:23:02.:23:06.

devastated by an electrical fault. From the front it looks

:23:07.:23:21.

deceptively unscathed The roof, floors and ceilings

:23:22.:23:24.

gone, much of its prized And yet experts say the structure

:23:25.:23:28.

of the building itself is sound. This was state-of-the-art

:23:29.:23:39.

in its time. This was a statement

:23:40.:23:41.

by the Onslow family, Because of that the building

:23:42.:23:45.

was so resilient and we think Despite the obvious

:23:46.:23:51.

damage, a melted lamp, a precariously hanging fireplace,

:23:52.:24:07.

the National Trust say the ground One of the most significant

:24:08.:24:09.

Palladian homes in Britain. It was owned by the Onslow

:24:10.:24:17.

family until they gave it One of the most magnificent

:24:18.:24:20.

rooms in England. Wow, so, Paul, the marble hall has

:24:21.:24:37.

been completely cleared? The salvage effort

:24:38.:24:40.

competed in the summer. Some of the debris in here

:24:41.:24:47.

was eight feet high. One can imagine the scenes that

:24:48.:24:50.

greeted the salvage team Temperatures would have exceeded

:24:51.:24:52.

1300 degrees centigrade, The salvage operation

:24:53.:24:55.

here was painstaking. Teams of archaeologists sifted

:24:56.:25:01.

through ash and debris for months. There was nothing like the first day

:25:02.:25:07.

of the archaeology when we were not really expecting to find anything

:25:08.:25:11.

and then suddenly we found this amazing little stoneware duck

:25:12.:25:14.

right inside the door, and it was a great moment for us

:25:15.:25:16.

all, it gave us hope that we would find more precious

:25:17.:25:18.

things in the debris. An architecture competition opens

:25:19.:25:24.

today for designers to come up The Trust wants to create

:25:25.:25:27.

a national exhibition space We have huge collections

:25:28.:25:33.

across the National Trust. We can create spaces

:25:34.:25:37.

here that the trust It will take five or six years

:25:38.:25:39.

but the National Trust is convinced Clandon Park will rise

:25:40.:25:48.

from the ashes. Beautiful. Very brave person taking

:25:49.:25:54.

the job on. Coming up in a moment on the BBC

:25:55.:26:06.

News Channel is Business live. Here on Breakfast, for more than 20

:26:07.:26:09.

years Britain's Armed Forces have served in campaigns

:26:10.:26:12.

in Iraq and Afghanistan. Robert Hall is in London for us this

:26:13.:26:18.

morning. Good morning. Good morning from Horse Guards Parade. A lot of

:26:19.:26:22.

people have waited a long time for this memorial which will represent

:26:23.:26:26.

the 300,000 people who served in nearly a quarter of a century of

:26:27.:26:37.

operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Around me preparations are underway

:26:38.:26:42.

for a drumhead church service. More than 600 personnel died in Iraq and

:26:43.:26:47.

Afghanistan, this is all about the thousands of others, both civilian

:26:48.:26:52.

and military, who showed service and duty. We will meet the design of the

:26:53.:26:57.

memorial after the news, travel and weather where you are this morning.

:26:58.:30:15.

Plenty more on our website at the usual address.

:30:16.:30:19.

Now, though, it's back to Charlie and Sally.

:30:20.:30:21.

Hello this is Breakfast with Sally Nugent and Charlie Stayt.

:30:22.:30:29.

The Chancellor is facing accusations of breaking an election pledge,

:30:30.:30:32.

by raising national insurance contributions for many self-employed

:30:33.:30:35.

A number of Conservative MPs say Philip Hammond's

:30:36.:30:39.

proposal breaks a pledge in the party's election manifesto.

:30:40.:30:41.

But the Treasury has rejected calls for a rethink,

:30:42.:30:45.

saying the increase will return fairness to the National

:30:46.:30:47.

The Leader of the Liberal Democrats, Tim Farron,

:30:48.:30:52.

has criticised the Chancellor, saying his budget contained no plans

:30:53.:30:54.

There is ?100 billion extra borrowing because the Government

:30:55.:31:05.

chose a hard Brexit. You can't have a strong economy with a hard Brexit,

:31:06.:31:09.

so you can't have well funded social care or NHS care, the Government's

:31:10.:31:15.

made wrong choices. It's a real insult to self-employed people, one

:31:16.:31:19.

in four in my constituency are self-employed. They don't get

:31:20.:31:23.

holidays, now they can't afford a holiday in the first place thanks to

:31:24.:31:25.

this. Scotland's First Minister Nicola

:31:26.:31:27.

Sturgeon has told the BBC that the common sense time

:31:28.:31:30.

for a second independence referendum would be

:31:31.:31:33.

autumn next year. A vote can only take

:31:34.:31:35.

place with the permission But her remarks, to the BBC's

:31:36.:31:37.

political editor Laura Kuenssberg, are the clearest signal yet

:31:38.:31:41.

that the SNP is planning to hold another vote

:31:42.:31:43.

before the UK leaves No police misconduct has been

:31:44.:31:45.

identified so far by the police watchdog investigating the Rotherham

:31:46.:31:49.

child abuse scandal. But the Independent Police

:31:50.:31:51.

Complaints Commission say it's identified "significant failings"

:31:52.:31:54.

in the way survivors and alleged The commission is looking

:31:55.:31:58.

at allegations, which include 91 A United Nations report is to call

:31:59.:32:03.

for an independent investigation into the potential health impact

:32:04.:32:18.

of the UK's largest Residents living near

:32:19.:32:21.

the Ffos-y-Fran site in South Wales have led a long campaign against air

:32:22.:32:25.

and noise pollution. The mine's operator, Miller Argent,

:32:26.:32:28.

says the company has a "proud record The Cooperative Bank has reported a

:32:29.:32:39.

loss. It's been trying to change its fortunes after it reported a black

:32:40.:32:42.

hole in its profits. It has four million customers and it was putting

:32:43.:32:47.

itself up for sale, it announced a couple of weeks ago. Files reveal

:32:48.:32:57.

that Margaret Thatcher was reluctant to have an inquiry into the conduct

:32:58.:33:00.

of the police during the miners' strike. Miners were disappointed

:33:01.:33:04.

last year and the Home Secretary Amber Rudd ruled there would be no

:33:05.:33:08.

inquiry into the so-called Battle of Orgreave. Still to come: For more

:33:09.:33:16.

than 20 years, Britain's Armed Forces have served in campaigns in

:33:17.:33:20.

Iraq and Afghanistan. We'll find out about the new monument paying

:33:21.:33:24.

tribute to the sacrifices they've made. Did yesterday's budget leave

:33:25.:33:30.

you better or worse off? Steph is chatting to the experts who've been

:33:31.:33:32.

crunching the numbers for us. # Tragedy, when the feeling's gone

:33:33.:33:41.

and you can't go on, it's tragedy... #

:33:42.:33:46.

Do you remember that? I think I do. I think Mike as well. Yes. Steps are

:33:47.:33:51.

here, they are going to talk to us about their new music, tour and

:33:52.:33:56.

album and we are going to be trying that dance, aren't we, Charlie? I

:33:57.:34:00.

think some people are. Mike, there was a jig going on, wasn't there?

:34:01.:34:05.

I've been told as soon as I finish this bulletin Steps want to see me

:34:06.:34:09.

in a room for social media. I'm getting in a bit of practise. What

:34:10.:34:13.

does that Mancini A darkened room hopefully so no-one can see. Sounds

:34:14.:34:18.

like there is a dance coming up. Worrying for everybody, especially

:34:19.:34:21.

my children. I'll warm them up for you.

:34:22.:34:28.

If I needed inspiration, I should have watched Barcelona last night.

:34:29.:34:37.

The comeback of all comebacks, Liverpool in 2005, Charlton Athletic

:34:38.:34:40.

1957 scored six goals in 27 minutes to come back against Huddersfield.

:34:41.:34:43.

This is the greatest in Champions League history. Gee goals

:34:44.:34:51.

neededselfen minutes to go. This is how the Spanish commentator

:34:52.:34:52.

described it. Goal, goal, goal, goal, goal, goal,

:34:53.:35:02.

goal, goal, goal, goal. The whole commentary box jumping on top of

:35:03.:35:06.

each other. Incredible scenes. Let us see why the commentator and all

:35:07.:35:10.

the Barcelona fans were in tears, such an emotional state at the end.

:35:11.:35:16.

Here is Olly Foster. Neymar, Messi and Suarez, the most feared strike

:35:17.:35:20.

force in world football. Barcelona's motto is more than a club. But no

:35:21.:35:24.

club had overturned such a deficit in the Champions League. An early

:35:25.:35:29.

goal would give them hope. Suarez's header crossed the line, just. This

:35:30.:35:33.

would be a match about the finest of margins and the referee's sometimes

:35:34.:35:36.

debatable judgment. Should that have been a penalty. Messi scored a third

:35:37.:35:41.

for Barca, one more to level the tie. Or one more for Paris St

:35:42.:35:48.

Germain, a cracker that should have put the tie to bed, an away goal

:35:49.:35:52.

that left Barca needing three. Surely there wasn't time. Two

:35:53.:35:56.

minutes to go when Neymar did that. The 90 minutes were up when Neymar

:35:57.:36:01.

converted another suspect penalty. And with practically the last kick

:36:02.:36:06.

of the match, Roberto stayed on side, swamped by his team-mates.

:36:07.:36:10.

That was more than just a goal, Barca are more than just a club!

:36:11.:36:14.

Olly Foster, BBC News. Manchester United manager,

:36:15.:36:22.

Jose Mourinho, has described their Europa League tie

:36:23.:36:25.

against Rostov tonight United are 700 miles south

:36:26.:36:26.

of Moscow, near the Black Sea, and Mourinho doesn't think the pitch

:36:27.:36:31.

is fit to play on. UEFA have admitted that it

:36:32.:36:34.

isn't perfect but won't Mourinho says the state

:36:35.:36:37.

of the surface means team selection It's hard for me to play on that

:36:38.:36:52.

field, if you can call it a field. I don't know which team to play.

:36:53.:36:58.

Really, I don't know which team I am going to play.

:36:59.:36:59.

Back home, Manchester City could have gone second

:37:00.:37:07.

in the Premier League last night, but it didn't go to plan.

:37:08.:37:09.

Stoke City shut them out in a game of few clear cut chances.

:37:10.:37:13.

It's the first time they have failed to score at home

:37:14.:37:15.

since Pep Guardiola took over, and means Chelsea remain ten points

:37:16.:37:19.

clear at the top of the table, with Spurs above City

:37:20.:37:21.

There'll be an all-British tie in the WTA event

:37:22.:37:27.

Heather Watson came from a set down to beat the American Nicole Gibbs

:37:28.:37:33.

and reach the second round, where Johanna Konta is waiting.

:37:34.:37:37.

It'll be the first time the pair have played each other on the tour.

:37:38.:37:40.

The double Olympic gold medallist Max Whitlock,

:37:41.:37:42.

has decided to miss the British and European Championships

:37:43.:37:45.

to focus on preparing for the World Championships in

:37:46.:37:48.

Whitlock has only recently returned to full time

:37:49.:37:51.

training after his successes in Rio last summer.

:37:52.:37:55.

He suffered from glandular fever two years ago,

:37:56.:37:58.

and says the only way he can compete at the highest level

:37:59.:38:01.

It's been nearly 20 years he's been putting his body through those

:38:02.:38:09.

extreme painful experiences you have to go through to get to that level

:38:10.:38:14.

in gymnastics, starting off at the age of six. You spend years going

:38:15.:38:18.

around that bucket with your feet in the air. Talking about feet in the

:38:19.:38:26.

air, I'll go and meet Steps. I don't think it's your feet in the air,

:38:27.:38:33.

Mike, your arms. Ever since you said tufty, the road safety squirrel. We

:38:34.:38:37.

remember him. We have been reminiscing. The 70s, I was only

:38:38.:38:43.

little. You were only ever so slightly bigger than me and I don't

:38:44.:38:51.

remember tufty at all. No squirrels on the pitch last night, it was just

:38:52.:38:54.

players. So has the budget left

:38:55.:38:59.

you better or worse off? This week, Steph has

:39:00.:39:01.

been out on the road, looking at what people wanted

:39:02.:39:03.

from the Chancellor. This morning she's back,

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and she's got a crowd of people outside our studio,

:39:07.:39:08.

to find out if they're happy What do they think, Steph? Good

:39:09.:39:18.

morning, everybody. We have got quite a lot of people with us. Let

:39:19.:39:23.

us explain where we are, this is our offices at Media City. They are

:39:24.:39:27.

coming to the end of their night shift after working 12 hours. We

:39:28.:39:30.

have lots of people to talk to about what the budget means for people.

:39:31.:39:34.

Lots of different things came out about it. We have been talking about

:39:35.:39:39.

education, money for social care, big changes for self-employed and

:39:40.:39:43.

changes to business rates as well. I asked people in Birmingham where I

:39:44.:39:46.

was yesterday what their thoughts were on it. This week, Breakfast has

:39:47.:39:53.

been finding out what different generations wanted from the

:39:54.:39:56.

Chancellor. Wave stamp duty for first time buyers. Funding for

:39:57.:40:02.

childcare. Affordable homes for everyone. Simplify taxes. I watched

:40:03.:40:07.

the budget in Birmingham with local campaigners. This is a further ?435

:40:08.:40:12.

million cut in business rates, targeted at those small businesses

:40:13.:40:16.

facing the biggest increases. When you look at the high street today,

:40:17.:40:21.

it does concern me that those sorts of costs are going on business.

:40:22.:40:25.

Without a vibrant business sector, we are just not going to raise the

:40:26.:40:29.

revenue that we want to pay everything that he thinks he might

:40:30.:40:32.

want to do. The system is clearly under

:40:33.:40:36.

pressure. And this in turn puts pressure on our NHS. I think we can

:40:37.:40:40.

really, really welcome the Government's commitment to the

:40:41.:40:43.

long-term funding review of social care in the green paper but we are

:40:44.:40:47.

concerned at the amount of money that was announced, ?2 billion over

:40:48.:40:51.

three years won't be adequate to stem the collapse. By providing an

:40:52.:40:59.

additional ?260 million over the next few years, taking investment in

:41:00.:41:03.

school condition to well over ?10 billion in this Parliament. We were

:41:04.:41:07.

pleased with some of the long-term investment in skills and focus on

:41:08.:41:11.

productivity, but disappointed there wasn't really very much to help

:41:12.:41:14.

low-income families in the next couple of years which is when we are

:41:15.:41:25.

go to see prices Ing biting. We reaffirm our commitment to Britain's

:41:26.:41:29.

future. I thought it was extraordinary that he didn't mention

:41:30.:41:32.

housing. Everyone's concerned about housing. It's not just younger

:41:33.:41:37.

people's housing, a lot of older people have housing problemsment 24

:41:38.:41:42.

years ago, Norman lament presented what was Billed then as the last

:41:43.:41:47.

spring budget, ten weeks later he was sacked so wish me luck today. --

:41:48.:41:57.

Norman Lamont. Some thoughts from people in Birmingham there. Let us

:41:58.:42:03.

talk to people about business life, working life and home life. Gary,

:42:04.:42:07.

you are an entrepreneur in the events industry. You have different

:42:08.:42:10.

businesses. We have been hearing about the changes for people who're

:42:11.:42:14.

self-employed and a lot of entrepreneurs are. What are your

:42:15.:42:21.

thoughts on it? There are two issues, the effect it's going to

:42:22.:42:25.

have on the freelancers, 90% of what we deliver is done by freelancers,

:42:26.:42:30.

employing them for the ballooning that happens around events. It's

:42:31.:42:36.

delivered by freelancers, they are going to have to take a view on

:42:37.:42:43.

whether to stay with that or take part-time jobs to support

:42:44.:42:47.

themselves. They often work more hours. Entrepreneurs like us like to

:42:48.:42:52.

believe that we are going to end up in a positive as we move through the

:42:53.:42:56.

business or even exit the business and that looks like it will be

:42:57.:42:59.

compromised now, so why would we start in the first place. And this

:43:00.:43:03.

is because self-employed people have to pay more national insurance and

:43:04.:43:07.

take a bigger hit in terms of the tax and the dividends? Sure and

:43:08.:43:10.

that's already compounded with the pensions we had to take on with the

:43:11.:43:15.

employed staff, as well as now the business rates et cetera and beyond

:43:16.:43:18.

that. Kelly, you are self-employed, what does it mean for you

:43:19.:43:22.

personally, will it be a lot of extra money? We are talking a couple

:43:23.:43:27.

of hundred pounds a year which isn't substantial but at the same time it

:43:28.:43:31.

does reduce the appeal of those thinking about making the leap to

:43:32.:43:35.

become an entrepreneur. So for you, would it put you off because it's

:43:36.:43:39.

only a couple of hundred pounds and the argument on the other side is

:43:40.:43:43.

maybe it's time that people who are self-employed pay more? It's the

:43:44.:43:46.

principle more than anything else. As an entrepreneur you are taking a

:43:47.:43:51.

risk, contributing to the economy and creating jobs and if the

:43:52.:43:53.

Government is sending a message that you are going to be targeted as a

:43:54.:43:57.

self-employed professional, it's not sending a good message about how we

:43:58.:44:00.

want to move forward as an economy. You are a tax expert Rebecca. Put

:44:01.:44:05.

this in context for us. The Chancellor is talking about fairness

:44:06.:44:09.

when he was introducing this change? What he's talking about is the

:44:10.:44:14.

long-term fairness, so because self-employed people and employed

:44:15.:44:17.

people get similar state pensions in the long-term, the expectation is

:44:18.:44:21.

now that the rules will narrow the gap between the rate of national

:44:22.:44:25.

insurance between that paid by the employed and the rate paid by the

:44:26.:44:30.

self-employed. The self-employed will still pay a bit less, that

:44:31.:44:34.

reflects there is not a full sweet of benefits available to them. But

:44:35.:44:38.

the Government need all of us to pay for our retirement or towards our

:44:39.:44:42.

retirement. Because we are all going to get the same state pension,

:44:43.:44:45.

that's what the fairness angle is about really. Another change we

:44:46.:44:49.

heard about was to do with business rates. Dave I'll bring you in as a

:44:50.:44:55.

pub landlord. One of the announcements was a ?1000 reduck

:44:56.:45:00.

Shannon on rates for the majority. A grand off, does that help?

:45:01.:45:05.

It makes no difference whatsoever. Pubs are based on the turnover that

:45:06.:45:12.

it receives, so you could have a pub with very high turnover but doesn't

:45:13.:45:17.

make a great deal of money, especially if it is a tied pub, for

:45:18.:45:25.

example. ?1000 is nothing, meaningless, a sarcastic gesture. It

:45:26.:45:28.

just sums up really the government's attitude to pubs. On this

:45:29.:45:33.

government's watch, we have lost roughly around 10,000 pubs for auto

:45:34.:45:37.

interviews. The government knows that and they seemingly don't seem

:45:38.:45:42.

to care at all. We have heard a page you the increase, the national

:45:43.:45:45.

insurance increase as well. -- we have had a beer duty. It is almost a

:45:46.:45:55.

death knell for public houses. Here we have Toby. Let me talk to you,

:45:56.:46:00.

because you are someone we met at the beginning of all of this when we

:46:01.:46:02.

were looking at different generations, and we talk to you

:46:03.:46:05.

about housing and your thoughts on that but there wasn't actually

:46:06.:46:10.

anything about housing mentioned. There wasn't. They had a housing

:46:11.:46:16.

white paper last month but I heard one Conservative backbencher, Grant

:46:17.:46:18.

Shapps, who used to be housing minister said would make any

:46:19.:46:22.

difference. When you look for the proposals and the comments by

:46:23.:46:25.

various think tanks, it doesn't seem to me like this will give the

:46:26.:46:31.

numbers we need, which is like 250 to 275,000 a year and I don't kid a

:46:32.:46:35.

big change that will solve the problem. But you were pleased about

:46:36.:46:41.

more money for social care? Young people do care about things like the

:46:42.:46:46.

NHS and social care because they will be using it one day. I was

:46:47.:46:50.

really happy about that. When you put it in perspective it is not

:46:51.:46:53.

actually going to solve the crisis. They need to do more. I heard Dave

:46:54.:46:59.

Prentice, the head of Unison, one of the biggest unions, saying it is

:47:00.:47:03.

just a plaster that will stop at in the short term and not the long

:47:04.:47:07.

term. You are in the process of launching your own business, what

:47:08.:47:11.

did you make of the budget yesterday? Overall, it was pretty

:47:12.:47:15.

unexciting but one thing I would echo from Toby is that we need to do

:47:16.:47:19.

more to make living in London and this country more attractive young

:47:20.:47:22.

people. Having lived in Burley and as part of the Erasmus programme

:47:23.:47:27.

with my university, I was shocked to see how low the cost of living was.

:47:28.:47:32.

Now I have moved back home, at 24, trying to start a business, and I

:47:33.:47:36.

can't see myself being able to rent yet alone buy a house. I would've

:47:37.:47:42.

liked to have seen more about that and the budget but overall it was

:47:43.:47:47.

pretty unexciting. Dom, skills as a big thing, and as an entrepreneur,

:47:48.:47:51.

were you pleased to hear about that? In terms of the skills, yeah, there

:47:52.:47:55.

is a high skills deficit in this country. The investment is

:47:56.:48:01.

definitely a step in the right direction. Services to give it

:48:02.:48:06.

parity of esteem as A-levels? Yes, and much needed to reform the

:48:07.:48:12.

education sector. And talking of Steps, not long until they are. All

:48:13.:48:18.

morning they have been, like, when our Steps arriving, apart from Dave,

:48:19.:48:26.

who did you want, Genesis? That is it. We will now go and find Steps

:48:27.:48:33.

and do a bit of Tragedy. STUDIO: I have some breaking news for you all,

:48:34.:48:35.

Steps are in the building. If we stayed on that shot for a

:48:36.:48:44.

while you would probably see them walking past. Carol has the weather

:48:45.:48:47.

for us. A lovely start to the David Grossman

:48:48.:48:54.

parts of the British Isles. In Derbyshire, look at the lovely blue

:48:55.:48:59.

skies sent in by our weather watcher. -- a lovely start to the

:49:00.:49:03.

day across parts of the British Isles. Part of Cornwall are down to

:49:04.:49:09.

100 metres visibility. It will improve a judge in the east during

:49:10.:49:12.

the day and then deteriorate later on. Current temperatures up to get

:49:13.:49:19.

this time it yet. London already 12 Celsius, Cardiff nine, Manchester,

:49:20.:49:22.

Belfast and Edinburgh seven, but a bit nippy as we push into the

:49:23.:49:27.

Highlands. The reason it is still murky across not just Cornwall but

:49:28.:49:31.

the Channel Islands is we have this weather front that will edge a touch

:49:32.:49:34.

away but it is going to take another swipe at Cornwall later on, which is

:49:35.:49:39.

why we will see a return to the fog later. For some parts it will remain

:49:40.:49:45.

murky. Across most of the British Isles, a ridge of high pressure

:49:46.:49:49.

right across us, it means a lovely spring day. Regardless of what you

:49:50.:49:52.

have got at the moment, it is going to improve for most of us. Windy at

:49:53.:49:57.

the moment across Northern Ireland, central and southern Scotland,

:49:58.:49:59.

northern England. The wind will ease. Windy across the Northern

:50:00.:50:03.

isles, some heavy showers with hail and thunder. We hang on to the

:50:04.:50:08.

delicate condition is across particularly the tip of Cornwall and

:50:09.:50:12.

also the Channel Islands, where we have our weather front right way

:50:13.:50:16.

into the afternoon. As we move across southern counties of England,

:50:17.:50:19.

East Anglia, the Midlands and Wales, some fair weather cloud will

:50:20.:50:23.

build-up. In the sunshine we could hit 16, maybe even 17 in south-east

:50:24.:50:27.

England. The Northern Ireland, northern England and much of

:50:28.:50:30.

Scotland you can expect a sunny afternoon. Temperatures widely where

:50:31.:50:34.

they should be at this stage in March. Across the northern isles, it

:50:35.:50:37.

will remain windy with the showers on and off, but the wind easing this

:50:38.:50:43.

evening. This evening too, the temperature will drop quickly under

:50:44.:50:47.

clear skies in the east. Lallana for a touch of ground frost in the east

:50:48.:50:50.

here and there, a weather front across Cornwall and the Channel

:50:51.:50:53.

Islands. You can see what it has done, it has pivoted right the way

:50:54.:50:57.

across the West and into the North, introducing more cloud and some rain

:50:58.:51:01.

and drizzle. Mostly on the coasts and hills but we will see some

:51:02.:51:05.

elsewhere as well. After a lovely bright start tomorrow morning the

:51:06.:51:09.

weather front moves from the West to the east, taking its cloud with it

:51:10.:51:12.

and a bit of dampness as it crosses us as well. Behind it, brighter

:51:13.:51:17.

skies developed, particularly if you are in the shelter of any hills, the

:51:18.:51:20.

sun will come out. Temperatures across the very far north of

:51:21.:51:23.

northern England and Scotland coming down compared to what we will see

:51:24.:51:27.

today but the Northern Ireland, England and Wales, for most of us,

:51:28.:51:30.

we are looking at temperatures still above average but lower than today.

:51:31.:51:35.

As we headed to the weekend, one front go south, taking the rain with

:51:36.:51:39.

it, by the Tamme get a Sunday, another friend comes in from the

:51:40.:51:43.

West, introducing some rain. Then we start to see some cooler air, just

:51:44.:51:46.

cooler, it will not suddenly turn cold. By the middle of next week the

:51:47.:51:49.

temperature will be coming up and the weather will turn more

:51:50.:51:54.

unsettled, by the looks of it, Sam and Charlie. Thank you much.

:51:55.:52:00.

Later today, the Queen will unveil a new memorial to those who've

:52:01.:52:03.

served in Iraq and Afghanistan, since the first Gulf war in 1991.

:52:04.:52:06.

It's been created thanks to donations from the public,

:52:07.:52:08.

Robert Hall is watching preparations get underway.

:52:09.:52:13.

Morning to you, Robert. Good morning, you two. Morning from horse

:52:14.:52:19.

guards. Quite considerable preparations, they have two

:52:20.:52:21.

accommodate well over 2000 people here for this Trent Head service

:52:22.:52:27.

which will precede the unveiling of the memorial. A drumhead service is

:52:28.:52:31.

where the army would have piled their drums onto the battlefield to

:52:32.:52:34.

make an author in order that a church service could be held either

:52:35.:52:40.

just before -- to make an alter. It will be part one of the proceedings

:52:41.:52:45.

today, it will be remembering more than 600 service personnel who lost

:52:46.:52:49.

their lives but also the 300,000 people, both military and civilian,

:52:50.:52:53.

who served in the theatres Ofcom back and operations in Iraq. -- the

:52:54.:52:59.

theatres of combat. Over nearly a quarter of a century. It is

:53:00.:53:02.

extraordinary that the length of time these operations took up. And

:53:03.:53:09.

then the whole proceedings move across Whitehall. We will talk to

:53:10.:53:13.

the designer of that memorial but today is very important, not just to

:53:14.:53:16.

him and his team but all of those who have awaited this day for a very

:53:17.:53:22.

long time. Mark and, then they can ever forget his service in

:53:23.:53:27.

Afghanistan. It was a couple of months before I got hit by a

:53:28.:53:32.

roadside, and I lost my leg, knows, teeth, jaw, elbow, so I had multiple

:53:33.:53:38.

injuries. Got a phone call to say he had been injured and the outcome did

:53:39.:53:42.

not look great. He was an induced coma flying back to Britain. The

:53:43.:53:48.

worst is the real mind. You just think the worst -- the West goes

:53:49.:53:54.

through the mind. You hope for the best. The military deployments to

:53:55.:53:59.

Iraq and Afghanistan after a 24 year period, represent the longest and

:54:00.:54:02.

most intense series of operation since the Second World War. 682

:54:03.:54:08.

British service personnel lost their lives. Many others, like Mark Stone

:54:09.:54:13.

lake, came home with life changing injuries. The new memorial was first

:54:14.:54:21.

mooted in 2014 and fundraising began on Remembrance Sunday of that year.

:54:22.:54:26.

It stands on the bank of the Thames, alongside reminders of other

:54:27.:54:31.

military campaigns. The new monument doesn't just commemorate the Armed

:54:32.:54:35.

Forces, it gives equal prominence to the civilians who worked on the

:54:36.:54:40.

humanitarian side of operations. Government, aid and charity workers,

:54:41.:54:44.

all of whom showed the Twin values of duty and service. When you go on

:54:45.:54:49.

a posting like that before you go you have to think about what might

:54:50.:54:52.

happen, and the fact that you might not come back. That was a thought

:54:53.:54:56.

process I had to go through before I took the decision to go. Although

:54:57.:55:02.

British public opinion was divided over the merits of the campaigns in

:55:03.:55:07.

Iraq and Afghanistan, no one questioned the dedication shown by

:55:08.:55:10.

both military and civilians trying to get those countries back on their

:55:11.:55:15.

feet. The team behind the memorial I accept that there is no clear end to

:55:16.:55:19.

this chapter in our history. The macro or conflicts have to be ended

:55:20.:55:23.

politically, and the military create time and space that is political

:55:24.:55:29.

achievements to be achieved. It hasn't happened in Afghanistan and

:55:30.:55:32.

Iraq, which makes it harder to explain to people what it was all

:55:33.:55:37.

about. Today's ceremony will reawaken shared experiences of those

:55:38.:55:41.

who were there. The sadness, the pain and pride. It means a great

:55:42.:55:48.

deal. Having served, and knowing people that have served, it's just

:55:49.:55:55.

an amazing thing to happen. I think back to the time, we lost lads out

:55:56.:55:59.

in Afghanistan. Obviously I got injured and things. So it has

:56:00.:56:03.

multiple meanings to me. But I am just proud of everything the lads

:56:04.:56:06.

have done, all the effort they have put in, and it is not in vain. The

:56:07.:56:16.

views of just one veterinary excited to be here. Paul, you are the man

:56:17.:56:20.

behind this design and you started it rather unusually lying on your

:56:21.:56:25.

back, didn't you? The design of it? I had major back surgery and had to

:56:26.:56:30.

be at China at a foundry to work on another commission when I got the

:56:31.:56:36.

news I was going to do it. I was somewhat incapacitated at the time,

:56:37.:56:39.

and also aware of the responsible T and gravity of the subject and

:56:40.:56:43.

trying to find a balance between taking on board the significance of

:56:44.:56:46.

the commission, while at the same time having the freedom in my

:56:47.:56:49.

imagination to play around with the idea. We just get a clips of it on

:56:50.:56:54.

the screens behind you. It is a complex subject, 24 years, and three

:56:55.:57:02.

series of combat operations. A lot of complexities to it. Where did you

:57:03.:57:05.

try to get it on the one double sided medal? As you say, I have to

:57:06.:57:11.

synthesise 24 years of history in the two very simple images, but the

:57:12.:57:16.

monument itself also represent what has gone on. I tried to find things

:57:17.:57:21.

that represent generally people's experience in the military face as a

:57:22.:57:26.

foot patrol, securing a location to be able to evacuate and injured

:57:27.:57:31.

servicemen. I think as a summing up of military operations, that seemed

:57:32.:57:34.

to be the most poignant and telling of the soldiers's polymer ability.

:57:35.:57:38.

Civilians are even more complex on the other side. Indeed, because so

:57:39.:57:44.

many different organisations worked in semi-different ways for health

:57:45.:57:47.

infrastructure, humanitarian aid and so on. So I have tried to weave a

:57:48.:57:54.

sort of visual narrative to include as many people as possible, and

:57:55.:57:57.

civilians from the two countries to try and give it context. But the

:57:58.:58:02.

stones themselves, as you commented earlier, are smooth and honed, and

:58:03.:58:09.

sharp details on three faces, while the outer face remains rough and

:58:10.:58:13.

jagged. The reason for that is not least because the stones illustrate

:58:14.:58:19.

the hostility of the train and the difficulties of the operations. But

:58:20.:58:22.

also I wanted the monument to be true to the history, and that is the

:58:23.:58:27.

history is unfinished. There hasn't been a neat conclusion, and it is an

:58:28.:58:33.

ongoing situation that we all over the world, have to live with. A

:58:34.:58:38.

proud debut at the Sauber the others coming. Thank you very much were

:58:39.:58:41.

talking to me, and if you want to follow events during the morning you

:58:42.:58:44.

can do that on BBC News. Back to you.

:58:45.:58:51.

Sbraesing hearing from Robert there. That is going to be an interesting

:58:52.:58:57.

moment for people, to have a physical location to think about the

:58:58.:59:01.

people they've lost. It ties in with this story now.

:59:02.:59:03.

When it comes to dealing with the loss of our nearest

:59:04.:59:05.

and dearest, do we shy away from talking about it?

:59:06.:59:09.

One of our next guests calls grief "society's last taboo".

:59:10.:59:12.

Bereavement counsellor Julia Samuel has written a book to help people

:59:13.:59:15.

She's here this morning, along with Victoria Milligan,

:59:16.:59:23.

who lost her husband and eight-year-old daughter

:59:24.:59:25.

Good morning to you both. That issue of having a place, a thing, you

:59:26.:59:35.

know, where you can go and think, it's a very important thing isn't it

:59:36.:59:39.

in grief? Really important. Grief is invisible which is how it can get so

:59:40.:59:43.

ignored and why it's important to tell stories about it and for people

:59:44.:59:47.

to read about it. But having something like a memorial, which is

:59:48.:59:51.

a touch stone to your grief, where you can kind of externally touch

:59:52.:59:54.

something that puts you in touch with the person that's died and

:59:55.:59:59.

allows you to express your grief, is incredibly helpful and very healing

:00:00.:00:05.

in fact. Victoria, you've lived through what some people would

:00:06.:00:10.

describe as an unimaginable unbearable loss. Here you are now

:00:11.:00:14.

with us. I know that you look OK, that might not be the case. She's

:00:15.:00:20.

gorgeous. She looks fantastic, yes. You are managing to live a full

:00:21.:00:23.

life, you have children that you look after now. How have you been

:00:24.:00:29.

helped over the last several years? By talking about your grief? Yes. I

:00:30.:00:34.

think there is no straightant, it's a combination of incredible support

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from amazing people like Julia and her charity and friends and an inner

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strength and survival instinct that I think none of us really know how

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strong we are until we are truly tested. I didn't think I would be

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able to cope with the level of loss and grief that I'd been given but

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it's just the small achievable steps that you set yourself that you

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suddenly realise that you are coping with that path of grief. I was

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terrified of my grief at the beginning. It's unimaginable, that

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sense of loss. Going to see Julia and a lot of the strategies she's

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written about in her book, there is no manual for grief, there is no

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programme, there are no steps one to ten that you are going to do this

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and in 18 months' time it will be fixed because I know that I'll never

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be fixed, I'll never get over my grief. There are a certain set of

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common strategies that you can follow. That is the interesting

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thing about this type of counselling isn't it because many types of

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counselling, different types of problems, there is a resolution

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isn't there, a positive outcome, you might be able to fix something or

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improve something, but there is no fix for it? There is no fix for

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grief. In the stories, like Victoria said,

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we want to find ways of avoiding difficulty and having an app that if

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you do the five things. Other things in the book, like exercise. Probably

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the single biggest thing that supports you is finding people to

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talk to. It wouldn't have to be a professional, but people that love

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you. When love dies, it's love that heals you. And through them you find

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a way of expressing your grief and expressing the pain, rather than

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blocking it with negative things that get in the way. It's often the

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things that we do to avoid the pain that do us most harm. Although you

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do want a break from it too. We talked a lot about having a focus

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for remembering Emily and her father. Do I feel guilty about

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having a good time, it was horrendous pain, then it pulls away

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and gives you a chance to recover, otherwise I don't think I would be

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able to cope with it. But it's being brave enough to face the pain that

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gives you a chance of facing the emotions, working through them and

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having a chance of a happy future without them physically in my life

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in the future and myself and my children. But in our hearts and

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minds for ever. Every grief trigger that we see, we have been with them,

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or their favourite food, it's not always desperately sad, it becomes a

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sort of joyous memory because it feels like we are spending time with

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them again. Can I ask about how people feel columnsy talking about

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it. You were saying how helpful it can be for friends and loved ones to

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say something or just do the right thing. What was your experience?

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It's very hard. Also awkward. I think what would I have said to me

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but Julia said it's acknowledging it, it's not shying away from it or

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dipping down the supermarket aisle but just acknowledging. Did that

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happen? Yes, people would cross the road duck into shops instead of

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speaking to me. As Julia said, it's such a taboo, people don't know what

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to say, we are all scared of grief because it's sad. What happened to

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me was wrong and they don't know what to say and how to express their

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feelings. Just acknowledge it, you know, I want to talk about Nico and

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Emily, they are still very much part of my life and it's acknowledging

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that pain. A thought on that one for people, that notion of what to say?

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A you are a friend of someone who's been bereaved, you don't have to fix

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it. By acknowledging it and reaching towards them, connecting with them

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and allow them to either talk about it or not, that is how the different

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stories show that very different versions of that, you know, there's

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no one kind of right way of doing it. But by being fearful, I think

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people are frightened that they are going to make it worse if they talk

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about it. The truth is, you cannot make this worse, this terrible

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thing's happened, this person has died, so the thing that helps is by

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acknowledging it, and saying I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

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That's probably the single most helpful sentence you can say. Thank

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you both very much for coming in. Julia's book is "Grief

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Works: Stories of Life, It's going to be a job to keep them

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quiet. The whole point is that you don't keep them quiet! It's Steps!

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Good morning. Good morning. Can we just read this first. Really? You do

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it, tell us the story of Steps. In the late 90s and early noughties,

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pop act Steps were a familiar name in the charts, with their energetic

:07:36.:07:38.

dance moves and flamboyant costumes. What was the real moment you got

:07:39.:07:45.

together? This year is our 20th anniversary of our first single so

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that's why we are back and telling everybody about it. We got together

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May 7th, 1997. Really? Who remembers meeting who? We all do. Lisa was in

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an orange dress, I remember her walking in, she was on the phone

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outside 679 She fancied you, that's why. Newsflash. I fan seed Lisa. I

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remember all the guys walking in and I remember thinking H was really

:08:13.:08:17.

cool, how wrong was I? ! And straight. H is very loud. Are you

:08:18.:08:28.

the loud one? 20 years. 20 years! And Claire gave me a lift home as

:08:29.:08:33.

well. We'd never met before. So hang on, it was an audition? Yes. You

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auditioned together, was it like being on one of the programmes? Like

:08:39.:08:42.

X Factor without the cameras, lots of different rounds, a singing and

:08:43.:08:46.

dancing round, interviews and talked to camera and things like that. It

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was quite in-depth. Do you know what we really need to do though, hear

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the music. # Tragedy

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# When the feeling's gone # And you can't go on

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# It's tragedy # When the morning cries... #

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# I know you're somewhere else right now

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# In love with someone else no doubt # But I'm one for sorrow

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# Ain't it too, too bad # .

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Cos I'm a deeper shade of you # And there's nothing I can do

:09:43.:09:48.

# You're so far, far away # . Oh, my goodness, that was a little

:09:49.:09:56.

racy at times there. Our most daring. Compares to acts these days,

:09:57.:10:03.

we keep our clothes on. 20 years on then, what has changed? Not a lot.

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We have new music and we have the first exclusive play at Radio Two at

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10 o'clock. With our new single. Can you not just sing a bit of it for us

:10:16.:10:26.

Some No. No, no. We have learnt the choreography for it today and

:10:27.:10:32.

learning the new dance routine. Is it another dance iconic thing? Do

:10:33.:10:39.

that, go on? No, no. We can't do that, I'm sorry, can't do that.

:10:40.:10:45.

Sorry. I like it already. Fascinated what happens. Had there been

:10:46.:10:50.

fallouts? Did anyone fall out with anyone? I don't know enough about

:10:51.:10:56.

Steps, soarry, but there were issues along the way? When we split,

:10:57.:11:01.

obviously, it was all a bit fractious. Traumatic. You spend a

:11:02.:11:05.

lot of time together when you're quite young travelling all over the

:11:06.:11:09.

place missing the people that you like. Missing the people you like.

:11:10.:11:13.

Yes, with a lot of fan who is do so much heavy work, you get burnt out,

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you do, and I think we do say in hindsight it was the right time to

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finish because we left a great legacy behind which meant that we

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could come back and do this again. Who was the one who sort of sent out

:11:28.:11:38.

the first signals... The first peace message. This time around? Like I

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said earlier, this is our celebration because it's the

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anniversary so that was the thing that prompted us to go OK let's

:11:46.:11:49.

celebrate what we achieved. That's why we are back with the Arena Tour

:11:50.:11:55.

and the album and single. So you are touring together again? Yes. The

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tickets are on sale tomorrow. On a bus or a plane? It's a UK tour. The

:12:02.:12:09.

tour is November and December and the tickets go on sale tomorrow.

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Watching those clips, there's a lovely simplicity, I don't mean that

:12:17.:12:20.

in a bad way at all. Times are funny at the moment, it's difficult,

:12:21.:12:24.

people are struggling, and there's something refreshing about seeing

:12:25.:12:27.

you do your things and it seemed like similar Police minister times

:12:28.:12:31.

in a way. Heart warming. People have said they need something like this

:12:32.:12:34.

right now because we bring a lot of fun back. That is what they say is

:12:35.:12:39.

missing at the moment. Is one of your songs co-written by one of the

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Abba song writers, is that right? Yes. So you have essentially got an

:12:43.:12:51.

Abba song? We have, yes. It's a cover, Benny and Byorn co-wrote it,

:12:52.:12:55.

so it's not really very well-known but we have got it. They let us

:12:56.:13:00.

record it and they loved the version. He's listened to it. We are

:13:01.:13:05.

thrilled to have an Abba song on the album. There is no greater praise.

:13:06.:13:09.

He said it was almost as good as his version. Lovely having you on this

:13:10.:13:13.

morning and as well, lots of people are excited ability you being here

:13:14.:13:18.

which is nice. Amazing. The office outside is much busier today than it

:13:19.:13:23.

normally is! It has been incredible. So much support, thank you to

:13:24.:13:28.

everybody out there. We are done now, Steps new single Corp scared of

:13:29.:13:32.

the Dark is out tomorrow. Back tomorrow. Bye!

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