21/03/2017 Breakfast

Hello, this is Breakfast, with Dan Walker and Sally Nugent.

A significant rise in the number of young children needing

Hello, this is Breakfast, with Dan Walker and Sally Nugent.

A significant rise in the number of young children needing

New figures show more under-fives are needing extractions

The Government says the statistics are worrying.

Good morning, it is Tuesday 21 March.

Also this morning: A call for unity in Labour from leader Jeremy Corbyn,

after angry exchanges over claims of a takeover by the left wing.

Meteorologists confirm 2016 was the hottest year on record,

with the lowest level of ice at the poles,

More companies pull their adverts from Google over concerns

they are being shown next to extremist videos.

Google says sorry, and promises to investigate.

In sport: Leicester striker Jamie Vardy says he has been sent

death threats, after some fans held him responsible for the sacking

Also this morning: Calls for better protection for our ancient trees.

We will be live at one of the country's oldest oaks.

Good morning. It is a cold start to the day. Watch out for ice in the

north. There are also a lot of showers around today, some of them

wintry, even at low levels and parts of the East could escape them. And

of course, in between them they will be some sunshine. I will have more

in 15 minutes. First, our main story: The number

of children under the age of five in England who have had teeth

removed has risen by almost The figures have been obtained

by the Royal College of Surgeons, which says most of the tooth decay

could have been prevented. Here is our health

correspondent Jane Dreaper. Tooth decay is painful

but it can be prevented. Regular brushing, seeing the dentist

and cutting back on a sugary But new figures show more children

in England are needing Just over 84,000 extractions

were carried out on under-fives The number went up by almost

a quarter in that time, much bigger than the overall

increase in this age group. Last year alone, there were more

than 9,000 extractions involving They've probably had

many sleepless nights, may have had time away

from school, may have been prescribed antibiotics

in the meantime, and it's really the only the way we can deal

with the problem is to admit them, and to have a full-blown general

anaesthetic. Dentists want proceeds from the UK's

forthcoming sugar tax to be spent on educating people

about the importance of looking The Department of Health said

it was taking action to tackle the worrying statistics, and parents

could help their children to avoid sugary drinks and brush

teeth regularly. We will be speaking to paediatric

dental surgeon about this The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn,

has called for calm after his deputy, Tom Watson, warned

of a takeover plot yesterday. Let's talk now to our political

correspondent Chris Mason, Chris, where did this

takeover story come from? am aware people might be turning on

the television and wondering where this is coming from? It is tricky

when you get into the detail, but essentially the reason that matters

is because Labour is tearing itself to shreds at the moment. In the

weekend, in the Observer, there was a recording from a group called

Momentum, a grassroots group of loyal supporters to Jeremy Corbyn

who helped him get the job as Labour leader on the two occasions when he

won those elections and in that secret recording there was talk that

this Momentum group wanted to try and get hold of funding from the

Unite trade union, the biggest one in the country. Upper Sturt Labour's

Deputy Leader, Tom Watson, who said that this was a nightmare for Labour

and could end Labour's future as an electoral force. Then the Shadow

Chancellor, John McDonnell, publicly suggested that Mr Watson should not

have been saying what he was saying. Then last night there was a meeting

of Labour MPs which was described as explosive, one MP suggesting that

Jeremy Corbyn was our so-called leader, to use the phrase that was

used. What is striking is that political parties normally don't

even like admitting to having dirty laundry, let alone putting it out in

public, hanging from lampposts and dangling from Windows. Little

wonder, late last night, Jeremy Corbyn thought it was time of the

video to reflect on the day. Sometimes spirits in the Labour

Party can run high. Today has been one of those days. That is because

we a passionate party. So I want to send a message to all party members.

I want to make it absolutely clear. Members are an asset. As a party, we

must do more to involve and empower them. Jeremy Corbyn sees it as

absolutely essential to his future and the future of the Labour Party

being led by people on the left that Labour's members are given more

power. But there was a healthy dose of of British understatement in that

suggestion about spirits running high. The context of all of this is

that when you look at the opinion polls, those attempts to measure

voters' views on political parties, Labour are a gazillion miles behind

the Conservatives, 19 points behind according to OnePoll yesterday.

Little wonder some of the Conservatives are rather keen on a

snap election, something the Prime Minister has consistently ruled out.

Thank you very much, and an excellent use of the number a

gazillion. We need to use that number more on Breakfast.

The Scottish Parliament will today begin debating whether to call

for a second independence referendum.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will seek Holyrood's backing to ask

Westminster for the power to hold another vote,

but Theresa May has said that now is not the time.

Our Scotland correspondent Lorna Gordon reports.

Who decides if there is to be another referendum on Scottish

independence, and who sets the date on which it could be held? The

government in Edinburgh believes they have the moral authority to

call another vote. It was, they point out, a SNP manifesto

commitment if circumstances changed, such as Scotland being taken out of

the EU against its will. But the Scotland act sets out how the legal

authority to decide on whether or not there should be a referendum

lies with Westminster, and the Prime Minister, Theresa May, has said

there will be no vote on Scottish independence before the UK leads the

EU, say now is not the time. The opposition unionist parties at

Hollywood agree. They will oppose the vote in the Scottish Parliament,

arguing the will of the Scottish people was expressed in the first

independence referendum. But another vote would be divisive, and is not

what Scots want or need at this time. The SNP are in a minority at

Holyrood, but with the support of the Scottish Greens, the vote will

likely pass. Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has said

any move by the UK government to block an independence referendum

will be democratically indefensible if she wins the backing of MSPs this

week. We will be hearing the latest

from Lorna later in the programme. The US is banning large electronic

devices such as laptops and tablets from cabin baggage on flights

from eight Middle Eastern A government source told the BBC

that the measure would affect nine airlines operating

out of ten airports. Passengers will still be allowed

to carry their phones, but will need to check

in larger devices. The carriers reportedly have four

days to implement the ban. Learning to survive in a world

dominated by the internet should be as important for children

as reading and writing, according to a House

of Lords report. It should be compulsory for all UK

schools to teach about online risks, responsibilities and

acceptable behaviour, says the Lords

Communications Committee. The harm that can be done to

children is immense, and lots of different ways. And at the same

time, there are so many good opportunities, being able to be

connected to anyone in the world, being able to have access to all the

knowledge in the world, and we want industry to face up to that.

From record-breaking droughts to the melting of sea ice,

the astonishing change in weather made history in 2016,

The findings were released in a new report, which was conducted

by the World Meteorological Organisation.

This comes amid fears that Donald Trump will withdraw

the United States from the Paris Agreement on Climate

Our environment analyst Roger Harrabin reports.

This should be a carnival of colour, Australia's Great Barrier Reef.

These corals were bleached in warming water.

This graphic catalogues our heating planet.

And this - scientists taking the sea's temperature with these

They are monitoring buoys in the Pacific.

The Arctic is warming faster than anywhere,

and melting glaciers there are increasing sea level.

The weather in the Arctic changes from year to year,

and even from decade to decade,

but it is very clear that a lot of the change that we're seeing

is due to our emissions of carbon dioxide, and other greenhouse gases,

People are at risk of climate change, scientists say.

Dozens of homes here swept away in China,

which had its wettest year on record.

India sweltered with its hottest-ever temperature,

51 degrees Celsius.

The heat partly produced by nature, and partly by us.

When is a pie not apply? We do not agree on this, do we? I will tell

you what. I will follow one person on pies, and that is Mary Berry.

It is not often we hear a bad word said about Mary Berry,

but her recipes have been stirring up some culinary

Last night on her new BBC One series, Mary Berry Everyday,

the former Great British Bake Off judge made a potato,

Nothing controversial about that, you might think.

But the issue came when she only used pastry for a lid,

It cooked up quite a storm on social media.

Matt Flye was also concerned, exclaiming...

Carole Beattie urged people to leave Mary Berry alone.

It is not the first time Mary Berry's recipes have become

Just last week we had "bolognaise-gate," when she

surprised viewers by adding double cream and white wine to spag bol.

I do... I mean, Megan on our team says it is just not a pie, it is a

casserole with a lid. But it is a healthy option because you reduce

pastry. At what Mary is avoiding is the soggy bottom. That is part of

the magic of a pie. You like a soggy bottom? I like the fact that there

is pastry holding it altogether. I less pastry, the better. That is

fine, but it is not apply. What should we call it, then? Alliance. I

am all for the all-around pastry. I make one with a lid because it is

easier, but I don't know if I could actually call it a pie in its purest

sense. Pie purists need all-around pastry. The ultimate test, you

should be able to eat a pie with your hands. If it hasn't got a

bottom you will be like this. What about in the pub when they do many

pie dishes with a lid on the top, they call it a pie! That is fine,

but I don't think it is a pie! Hashtag it is not a pie. We are

talking about Jamie Vardy, in the dark side of being a professional

footballer is people hold you responsible and feel they can take

out retribution against you if they feel you have acted badly, and that

is what has happened to Jamie Vardy. Jamie Vardy says he has received

death threats from fans who hold him responsible for the sacking

of former manager Claudio Ranieri. The striker says life

has been terrifying, and his family has been targeted,

after reports he was one of the players who influenced

the decision to let Ranieri go. Jermain Defoe is back in the England

squad for tomorrow's But he says, if he wants

to retain his place, he will need to be playing

Premier League football. His club, Sunderland,

are currently bottom of the table. Despite recent fan protests,

Olivier Giroud says that he and the rest of the Arsenal

players want Arsene Wenger to stay Wenger is reported to be ready

to sign a new two-year deal, after revealing at the weekend

he had made a decision Tiger Woods says he is trying

everything to be ready for The US He has not played since withdrawing

from the Dubai Desert Classic tournament in February

with a back spasm. He says the Masters was the first

major he played in and that is why he wants to put so much effort into

being back and fit again. And we are only a few weeks away, as well.

Danny Willett the defending champion, wouldn't it be amazing if

he could do back-to-back surprise Masters wins? He has had a patch of

good form. He was named English golfer of the year the other week,

so I think he has been doing good work behind the scenes.

According to the International Day of happiness,

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) You happy. OK, I look at the daily.

Russia's Ultra yobs infiltrator. These were well seen at the last

euros. -- happiness, sharing makes you happy. We had a Russian

journalist on very recently that said he felt the problem was being

held very well by the Russian authorities. -- helped. But seeing

this is distressing. On the front page of the Times, they took about

the companies that are suspending advertising now over the row over

extremist content using the search engine Google. But if you just go

down here, Theresa May, this is a shot of the Prime Minister that has

been taken for Vogue. And something of a team. When the same

photographer took a photo of the Queen, she took a photo of her next

to a roaring fight the fire. So a bit of similarity. The Daily

Telegraph warns of press bias. It said that the BBC has been warned by

providing pessimistic and skewed coverage of the Brexit situation.

And this marks the 29th of March, 2019, this is the set date for this

country to leave the EU. Those are the front pages of the newspapers at

the moment. We will talk to Kat and then in a moment, but we have some

breaking news. Yes, we're hearing that the death of Martin McGuinness

has been confirmed this morning. He was 66 and died earlier this morning

at a hospital in Derry. -- Kat and Ben. His family were at his bedside.

You might have heard in recent months that he was diagnosed with a

rare heart disease, back in December. He became the chief

negotiator in the peace process for Sinn Fein. We are announcing the

news of the death of Martin McGuinness. With his family at his

bedside. He died last night. He was 66. His family were at his bedside

at the hospital in Derry. A little bit more information we are getting

through, here, is that in recent weeks, he had made no appearances

during Sinn Fein's successful assembly election, and did not

attend the polling station with his wife, to vote. That was when it

became clear that he was quite seriously ill. Sinn Fein, at the

time, said that his health was a private matter, and did not want to

discuss it. But just as Dan has said, we can confirm the death of

Martin McGuinness, which was announced this morning. He was the

former Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland. He was 66. Of

course, a key figure in Irish politics, Northern Irishman or text,

over the last several decades. We will have more on that and a

reflection on his life and career throughout the programme.

It's 6:18 and you're watching Breakfast from BBC News.

Here's Carol with a look at this morning's weather.

Today it is a cold start. Colder than yesterday. We are looking at a

mixture of sunshine and showers. Some of the showers a wintry, even

at lower levels, this morning. What is happening as we had yesterday's

waterfront go through, allowing this cold are to filter in. It originated

in Canada. So you can appreciate how cold it is. And that has had an

adverse impact on our coverage is. It also means that the showers we

have been getting in from the west have been wintry. So there is the

risk of ice first thing this morning in Northern Ireland, and in

Scotland, none treated surfaces. In western parts of Scotland, this is

where it we're seeing snow at lower levels. -- untreated. Some snow

across parts of northern England, and what you will find through the

days that that will retreat reveals. A second south into East Anglia and

southern counties, it is dry, cold, and bright. Across south-west

England, simpler the showers, some of which are wintry over the moors.

As we move into Wales again, there is a little bit of a wintry mix in

some of those showers. But between all the showers, there will be

sunshine. There is a good reason blowing coming in from the west.

Through the course of the day, we will hang on to those wintry

showers. It is alleged, most of the wintry flavour will be on higher

ground throughout the day. At lower levels, in some of the heavier

bursts, we could system sleek, hail, and thunder. We are looking at seven

or eight, and warmer in the south-east. But even then, colder

than we have seen. -- sleet. The next weather system will bring in

somewhat windy weather, and it will deposit some snow over the hills of

Wales. It might affect some of the higher routes if you are travelling.

I did, there is a risk of ice and frost. It will be windy, too, and as

the system moves northwards, once again, we will see some snow. Not

just on higher ground, but there is a possibility that we could see it

at lower levels, as well. Mid north about through Scotland and Northern

Ireland, it will be cold. And there will still be some wintry showers.

Talking of cold, in some of the glands in Scotland, it could be as

low as -8 or - ten. As a comfort the south, we will get loads of between

four degrees and vice degrees Celsius. -- lows. -- five degrees.

Like today, the clouds will lift into the hills. The more persistent

rain will not bring sleet for most of us. Cold coming from the North

Sea, so feeling cold in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Temperatures

between four degrees and seven degrees. Even though we had tens in

the south-east, will not feel particularly brilliant. Sunshine

will be around, however. A cluster of weather fronts on Sunday. --

Thursday. That is could produce some rain. Further north, drier and

brighter. Temperatures by then will be seven or 11 degrees. As we head

into the weekend, this is what is happening on Thursday. Azaz Singh

south, it will bring race in the southern counties on Friday. But

then high pressure takes hold and things settle down. The weekend,

with current thinking, is looking pleasant. It will look Corbynite

with frost, but some sunshine by day. Temperatures will start to

recover. Thank you very much indeed. We bring

in the news that is just reaching us now on BBC Breakfast. News that Sinn

Fein's Martin McGuinness, the former Deputy First Minister of Northern

Ireland has died at the air of 66. You might remember the news we

brought you recently on BBC Breakfast back in December. We knew

that he had been suffering from a rare heart condition. He has been in

a hospital in Derry in recent weeks. And it was announced this morning

that he has passed away with this family all around him this morning.

So news just once again that Martin McGuinness, the former Deputy First

Minister has died at the age of 66. And we just heard in the last

moments from RTE, saying that Gerry Adams has said that Martin

McGuinness showed credit emendation, humility, and dignity through his

life. And it was no different in his illness. He was a passionate

republican who worked tirelessly for peace and receive the addition. --

reconciliation. And for the unification of his country. But

above all, he loved his family and the people of Gary. And he was

immensely proud of both. He goes on to offer his condolences to all of

his family. -- Derry. He stood down from his post as Jeopardy First

Minister in January. -- deputy. He was radicalised by dissemination and

what was going on on the streets of the city, but just confirmation

again, if you are turning on your television this morning, that Sinn

Fein's Martin McGuinness has died at the age of 66. That has been

confirmed in the last few minutes. We go to Chris Mason, who is in

Westminster for us. And Chris, just give us an idea of what type of

political figure he will be remembered as. A huge political

figure in Northern Ireland. Martin McGuinness. There is no doubt about.

And there will be lots of reflections in the coming hours of

the journey that he went on politically. As you are saying, here

is someone who was a lifelong republican. His political aim was to

remove the power of this place, Westminster, from Northern Ireland.

And to secure a united Ireland. But what was so striking, for somebody

with those connections to the IRA, he was a former IRA commander, was

how pivotal he became as a personification, if you like, of the

peace process. He became Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister,

alongside Ian Paisley, from the Democratic Unionist, to people from

two parties that had been opposed to each other for so long, and yet got

on so well in those leadership roles in the Northern Ireland assembly.

They were dubbed the Chuckle Brothers. Martin McGuinness stood

down from politics because of the illness that he was battling. Some

of the trip is that came from the unionist side, from the others are

to the political divide, described by Ian Paisley Junior as someone who

was a statesman. The ultimate conflict, it really, that you can

pay to a politician. A by someone on the other side of the political

divide. Such was the respect, despite the vast political

differences. Such was the respect for what he had achieved in trying

to bring Northern Ireland together as part of a peaceful future, given

the violence of its past. You mentioned the journey that he went

on there. We are seeing on our screen at the moment images from

many years ago. We also see Martin McGuinness as a young man. We are

also seeing him as a young man with the Queen. -- seeing him they with

the Queen. The Queen, the British moniker, the head of the British

Armed Forces that for so many years had such a huge role to play in

Northern Ireland, they were seen as the enemy army, in so far as the IRA

and the republican movement were concerned. To see those images of

Martin McGuinness with the Queen, shaking the Queen by the hand, the

whole thing having gone through intense discussions within the Sinn

Fein leadership, as to whether or not this was something that they

wanted to do. He will have been aware, they will have been aware, of

the massive symbolic significance of that kind of moment, to try and

project an image that the troubles of the past were over. That the

future of Northern Ireland in terms of its governance was via the

devolved administrations that Martin McGuinness was a part of. Yes, it

Sinn Fein and Martin McGuinness remained committed to that long-term

aim, as they saw it, of a united Ireland. Eddie Leie, removing the UK

entirely. -- if you like. But their argument was that as time went on,

right now, in the medium term, while they were still the majority of

supported Northern Ireland for Northern Ireland to remain part of

the UK, that it had to be governed by a peaceful means, by the assembly

at Stormont. So that was absolute area. Martin McGuinness, as

reflected a moment ago, was vital to the movement. It was his decision to

pull down if you like, the things which led to the elections, a

conclusion of which we have not yet reached. That is Chris Mason

Westminster for us. We'll be talking to Chris Muchmore throughout the

programme. Just to let you know, if you are Justin Leonard televisions,

the breaking news is coming in the last 20 minutes or so that Northern

Ireland's former Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, has

died at the age of 66. He was around by his family in hospital in Derry.

We will have more reflection on his life of the programme this morning.

from wherever you are. We will be from wherever you are. We will be

Plenty more on our website at the usual address.

Now though it's back to Sally and Dan.

Hello, this is Breakfast with Dan Walker and Sally Nugent.

Our main story: the former Deputy Minister of Northern Ireland, Martin

McGuiness, has died at the age of 66. He had been diagnosed with a

rare heart disease in December. A former member of the IRA's

Army Council, Mr McGuiness became the chief negotiator in the Irish

peace process for the republican Our Ireland correspondent

Chris Buckler looks back To paint a true picture of Martin

McGuiness, you have to accept contradictions. He was a

paramilitary who once embraced violence, but also a peacemaker who

reached out to rivals, a man who could be seen in very different

lights. Born in Londonderry into a large Catholic family, Martin

McGuiness came of age as Northern Ireland's divides became Troubles.

In that time of violence, he joined the IRA, quickly rising through its

ranks. Can you say whether the bombing is likely to stop in the

near future, in response to any public demand? Well, we always take

into consideration the interests of the people of Derry. The 1970s saw

him become one of the faces of ruthless Irish republicanism and he

was jailed terrorist offences in Dublin McGenniss has changed

considerably from the young man who used to swagger around the no go

areas of Londonderry, as leader of the Provisional IRA there. What had

started as a fight for Civil Rights had become a vicious battle. Yet,

alongside the many bombings and shootings, Martin McGuiness saw

opportunities at the ballot box for Sinn Fein, the political party

linked to the IRA. Even then, the language of threat remained. We

don't believe that winning elections or winning any amount of votes will

bring freedom to Ireland. At the end of the day it will be the cutting

edge of IRA which will bring freedom. But, after years of

killings in chaos, in the nineteen nineties, IRA ceasefires offered the

opportunity is fought talks between Unionists and Republicans. Would you

like to shake hands? Would you? When there is no guns. Not only would

they shake hands, after the signing of the Good Friday Agreement they

joined each other in government. Eventually at its head was the

unlikely partnership of two former enemies, Ian Paisley and Martin

McGuinness. The firebrand unionist and radical republican became so

close that they were neck and the Chuckle Are others. There were

republicans who continued to threaten that vertical progress.

But, when a police officer was killed, the then Deputy First

Minister stood side by side with the chief constable to condemned those

dissident groups. They are traitors to the island of Ireland. Alongside

the words they were actions on all sides. The Queen's cousin Lord

Mountbatten was killed by the IRA, yet after the troubles, royals and

republicans were able to put the difference aside. Thank you very

much, I am still alive! However, relationships at Stormont always

seemed strained. After Ian Paisley stepped down as First Minister to

review replaced by a Peter Robinson and then Arlene Foster. Earlier this

year, with his ill-health by then obvious, Martin McGuiness walked out

of government amid a row between Sinn Fein and that EU P. The boy

from Derrey's northside retiring as First Minister after years in the

IRA. My career has been long, I have been over 25 years working. The past

actions of the IRA will colour many people's views of Martin McGuiness,

but as a Republican who works towards reconciliation he will be

remembered as a key figure in changing Northern Ireland.

So if you are just joining us, to remind you of the news we have had

confirmed in the last half-hour or so, the death of Martin McGuiness,

the ex- deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland. It has been

announced this morning that he died at the age of 66, after a short

illness. He was diagnosed with an illness back in December, and that

news confirmed this morning, that he has died. Tributes coming in from

lots of different sources. Gerry Adams, saying throughout his life

Martin showed great determination, dignity and humility. It was no

different during his short illness. He was a passionate Republican who

worked tirelessly for peace and reconciliation and for the

reunification of his country. Lets get more on this from Chris

Buchler, our Northern Ireland correspondent who joins us on the

telephone. Good morning to you. The first thing to say about Martin

McGuiness, he was a pivotal figure in Irish politics. Their journeys

are very much connected, Ian Paisley and Martin McGuiness, the unionist

and the Republican who came together and went into government together.

And beyond that, also became friends. And in a way, if you look

back in the 1970s and 1980s, if you look at the words that were

exchanged between those men, between Unionists and Republicans during

that era, an era when Northern Ireland was simply in a totally

different place, when there was complete chaos on these streets, and

compare it to the relationship that they developed in government

together, you see the change in Northern Ireland that we have seen

over the past number of decades. And that was a real relationship. You

spoke to Martin McGuiness and you spoke to Ian Paisley and they were

in each other's company, they would laugh with each other, they would

smile with each other. And I think what was testament to that is the

warm words that have come from the Paisley family, even during the

Stormont crisis that we have at the moment. Power-sharing in a very

difficult position, power-sharing has collapsed in the difficult

attempt to form government. Even in that, he has talked warmly about

Martin McGuinness and how important it is to reach up from one side to

the other, even during this crisis. It gives you an idea of the bond

that was formed, but also just how that has been reflected in society.

And it was also... We saw your piece about Martin McGuinness's life and

career just a few moments ago but it was this extraordinaire

transformation from the man who was the commander of the Provisional IRA

and you say in that piece of that for many people watching this

morning, their view of Martin McGuinness will always be coloured

by his past as a commander in the Provisional IRA. The truth is, there

are still people who are suffering, who are feeling the effects of the

hurt of having someone killed, or having been a victim themselves of a

IRA attack, and that is never going to change, and there are people in

society and many will feel that Martin McGuinness contributed to

those words. It is worth reflecting, of course, that whenever Martin

McGuinness a few years ago ran for the Irish presidency they were

victims who approached in during that, and they're worth it comes to

who went through and said you have information, you could tell us what

happened to your loved ones, you could give us details about what the

IRA was responsible for, and much of that was true. He was a senior

figure within the IRA. He admitted on the day of Bloody Sunday he was a

deputy commander in Londonderry on that day. But you also need that

context, the idea of Martin McGuinness as both paramilitary and

a peacemaker. He was a man who was involved in violence, and that was

never going to change. That will be in his history. At what will also be

in his history of the fact that he reached out, he made a difference in

terms of changing Northern Ireland, as I said before, and ultimately, if

you look at the progress that there is in practical terms, on the

streets here, Martin McGuinness takes a great deal of credit for

that as well. Stay there, if you could, we will come back to you in a

few moments' time. You are watching BBC Breakfast. Just to remind you of

that news that we have been bringing to you since we have been a Nad this

morning, the death of Martin McGuinness, ex- deputy First

Minister of Northern Ireland and former IRA commander. His death has

been announced this morning. He died at the age of 66 at a hospital in

Bury with his family at his bedside. -- Derrey. We heard he was ill back

in December, and his death has been announced this morning. We return to

our Northern Ireland correspondent who is still on the phone for us. I

wonder if you could give us a bit more detail about the illness. As

Sally was saying, he was diagnosed with this rare heart disease in

December. He resigned from his role in January. And I take it he had

been quite ill back December and again we had seen footage of him

recently where he certainly had lost a lot of colour from his face,

hadn't he? Yes, we haven't talked an awful lot about his illness, mainly

at the request of his family, but it was a red genetic condition, and it

caused a remarkable amount of ill health in a short period of time.

The last time I had a conversation with Martin McGuinness was after a

northside ministerial Council, at press conferences and that kind of

thing. The last time action we sat down and had a conversation with him

was towards the end of last year, and that was before the illness had

been announced. And even then I could see that there was something

wrong with him, and I could see the deterioration in him. And since

then, his rapid growth of kind of ill health has been really quite

astonishing. And it became very clear whenever he was stepping down

as Deputy First Minister, that he was a man who was struggling to keep

up with the daily demands, effectively, of politics. And he

himself said that he would have wanted to continue, but simply it

was becoming physically impossible for him. Saying that, having spoken

to the senior members of Sinn Fein within the last week or so, they

were telling me that although he had deteriorated physically, there was

still an incredibly sharp mind in there. When they were having

conversations with him, it was very clear that he was an individual

that, inside that body that was failing, was still very much

thinking about politics, talking about politics, and still in a

position where he was very, very bright and wanting to talk about

these kinds of issues. He ultimately stepped down because of ill-health,

but were political issues obviously surrounding that as well in terms of

the relationship between the DUP and Sinn Fein. At the same time, I don't

think he would have set down unless he felt he had no choice in that

matter. And whenever you talk to Martin McGuinness, in the last few

months of his life, you could see the impact that the illness was

having on him. And you do... It is very difficult to not feel anything

but sorry for the man who has been in the position where he has fought

his entire political career, being a very physical person, going out and

really... His sort of charisma, frankly, whichever side you were on

you couldn't deny that in what has been interesting is that unionists

have really responded to Martin McGuinness in a way that they

haven't responded to a number of other Republican politicians. He was

somebody who managed to galvanise a certain amount of support for the

peace process, through that relationship with Ian Paisley, but

also through a certain amount of character within himself. He was an

individual who just had a certain amount of political charisma, if

that is an appropriate word. And in that he did make a difference as a

personal individual, as well as as a senior figure of Sinn Fein. We have

talked a little bit already this morning with Chris Mason, our

political correspondent, about the personal journey that Martin

McGuinness went on. At what point in his life, do you feel, did he ever

really make that most significant adjustment to his views? At what

point do you think he realised that he had to lead the way and change

things for other people to follow? I think there is no doubt the 1990s

made a huge difference to Republicans. The IRA ceasefires that

took place in those years, in 1994 and 1997, they allowed the weight to

have a conversation about changing things -- the way. Storm as it

stands now, as I mentioned before, is in a difficult place because

power-sharing has collapsed -- Stormont. But you had a decade where

there had been stability, and Martin McGuinness was an individual who saw

the advantages in developing that peace process, in making that

progress. Saying that, you have also got to remember the different words

of Martin McGuinness during earlier years. I mean, he talked about the

IRA as being a way of bringing freedom to Ireland, in his words. He

kept on talking about the IRA as being an organisation that would

make a difference. The language changed in the 1990s, and the

language continued to change. It is difficult to just appreciate how

much of a step that was four Martin McGuinness to stand up and to talk

about dissident republicans as being threatening to Ireland, but that is

what he did. He talked about people who continued to believe the idea of

violent as changing why the place exists, as being traitors. People

who were ultimately attacking the foundation not just of society here,

but also attacking democracy itself. Therefore you have somebody who has

really made the journey from one state to another. And I don't know

whether Martin McGuinness himself, what the earlier Martin McGuinness

of the 1970s would have thought of the Martin McGuinness who ultimately

existed in 2016, 2015, years when he was prepared to address in formal

wear and go to the palace and shake hands with the British monarch, who

would stand alongside unionists and ultimately that is a political

difference that Martin McGuinness himself might not have seen in

earlier years, but it is testament to how much he believed in the peace

process, and the idea of political progress, making a difference to

Northern Ireland. Thank you very much indeed for talking us through

all that this morning. Plenty more reflection on the death

of Martin McGuinness this morning. If just turning on your television,

the breaking news is that the former get the fourth -- Deputy First

Minister of Northern Ireland has died at the air of 66. He died with

this family at a hospital in Derry. We have known for some time that he

was suffering from a rare heart condition that first became known in

December last year. We have been given a statement from Sinn Fein

this morning. Gerry Adams has said...

We will hear from -- we were hearing from Chris Buckler there. It is

worthy of mention that he was a choosy divisive character. Many

people found it hard to come to terms with the mandate he became at

the centre of the Northern Irish peace process. There were people

alive today that live with the effects that things that he was

involved in a still having. Let's get the weather from Carol. This

morning we has known the forecast. Our Weather Watchers have been

setting into bitches. This is Edinburgh. There is heavy snow

showers there. We've also seen snow in Bathgate. It is lying across some

parts as morning. And what we are looking today's forecast for us all

with a day so Shannon showers. Some of us will have a wintry mix, some

other some rain. This is what has been happening through the last six

hours. They mix of rain, sleet, and snow, coming across all these areas.

With the debt is falling on very cold services, there is the risk of

ice across Northern Ireland Scotland this as the snows showers can sit --

cold showers persist. You could hear the odd rumble of thunder, but in

between, when the sun gets out, there will be sunshine. Wintry

showers coming across northern England, too. And as we see further

south, it is largely dry. But it is a cold start today than it was

yesterday. Yesterday we were in double figures at this time. Single

figures at this time. As we drift to the south-west, there will be

showers, some wintry. Legally over the moors. The moors. This M2 across

Wales. A wee bit of a wintry flavour with a showers. Because of the day,

most of the winteriness will recede into the hills. At lower levels, it

will largely be rain, sleet, hail, and some lighting. It will also be

windy. Down the east of the country, you could well stay dry. But the

temperatures. They are nothing to write home about. The Maxima and

Glasto is five. Tell degrees in London looks good, but compared to

the 18 from last week, it has come down. -- the maximum in Glasgow.

Through the evening, this rain and so will move northwards. It will

deposits and sofas at -- deposits and suffer a time on the hills. And

with it, so my Sam frost. As it moves northwards and engages with

the cold air across northern England, we will see snow, and

possibly even at lower levels. That could affect you first thing in the

morning for the rush hour. It will be a cold night, which is not so

surprising. Optically so across Scotland and Northern Ireland. In

fact, in some parts of Scotland, rural parts, we could hit -10

Celsius. Tomorrow we start of the snow for the rush hour during the

morning across northern England, but rather like today, as temperatures

rise, that will recede into the hills. But it will still be rain

pumping along the weather fronts, across England and Wales. Southern

England might skip some of the rain and stay dry. And to Scotland and

Northern Ireland, again largely dry with some showers. But this cold

wind coming in from the north-east off a cold sea. As we head into

Thursday, we do have weather fronts across the south. That will produce

a rain of the times. Further north, drier and brighter. Cambridges still

seven or eight in the north. Eight to 11 in the south. As we head into

the weekend, what happens is this a's front. Into Friday. High

pressure that's such a bill. It settles the weather down to the

weekend, and something else that you will notice is that the temperatures

will start to recover as well. Most of us will get back into double

figures. Back to you. Thank you for joining us. We are

reacting this morning to the news of the death of Martin McGuinness.

Let's and a bit more reaction. We will be speaking to Chris Mason very

shortly as well. And also we will be speaking to Colin Parry, whose sun,

Tim, was killed in Warrington by an IRA bomb. And he spoke to Martin

McGuinness, will be getting some response from them B programme.

Let's go to Chris Mason. Just pick out what then was saying, the theme

of this career was reconciliation and forgiveness. There was a lot to

forgive, was in a? A mist amount to forgive. And that is why he became

this personification of somebody who had moved a huge amount in terms of

his past as an IRA commander in Londonderry, in Derry, and it is

quite interesting reflecting on some of the obituaries that are already

appearing online. For instance, back in the 1970s, when there was a

jubilee celebration for the Queen, there was graffiti in Derry talking

about " Stuff the Jubilee" and a generation later, he was willing to

meet the Queen, the head of the British Armed Forces. As you say, a

far sleet controversial figure. Agassi essence of severe reflections

on his career today is this: There was a sense of course that for many

people the IRA was hugely controversial and something that was

hated. Of course, on the other side of the divide, something that was

seen for the right for Northern Ireland to be part of a united

Ireland. Because he was on this path towards becoming a politician, and

being an articulate of a peaceful future, such articulate, by the way,

that he went to Baghdad to try and share his own reflections on forging

peace in Northern Ireland to Iraq, and what they might yell to learn

from him. -- articulator. -- might be able to learn from him. He was

someone who wanted to be seen as the articulator of a peaceful future of

Northern Ireland and to therefore personify that kind of change in

that awkwardness that has been at the heart of Northern Irishman said.

But on the one hand, there was a desire to secure peace, but on the

other hand, of course, people would be attending to reach that piece by

a reflection on both sides. There were some anger at what had happened

in the past. Thank you for joining us Chris. We will come back to you

shortly. That is Chris Mason Westminster. We are reflecting this

morning on the death of Martin McGuinness from a rare heart

diseases morning, with his family around him, at a hospital in Derry.

We speak now to Colin Parry. His son was killed in the bomb attacks by

the IRA in 1983. IWonder, first of all, how you reflect on the news of

Martin McGuinness' death. Excuse me. I'm not surprised, because I knew he

was very ill. When he stepped up from office, I spoken, and he said

that he was not well. He did not disclose what exactly, but he looked

and sounded ill, and was quite frail. One of the slightly odd fact

is, of course, is that he has died on the anniversary of the Warrington

bombing. It is this that is more bizarre than if he had died

yesterday. Can ask you what that meeting was like in 2013? Was a

devil you? Was difficult to him? What was said? Can you tell us? That

came about because I was doing a documentary for Radio 5 live in

Northern Ireland. I met Martin Storm want. At the end of our

conversation, I asked if he would deliver our annual peace lecture at

the Peace Centre in Warrington. Said yes. Another thing that surprised me

was that it was not the act of a cow to come over to Warrington town, a

town which has no feeling for the man, and speak to people about his

life and actions and the reasons for what he did. And yet the audience

were left with a feeling that this is a man who had changed. And I

accept that too. He was very brave in his own way for taking the

decisions he did. If you think back to the time when he sat with Ian

Paisley and they were referred to as the Chuckle Brothers. If Ian Paisley

of all people could sit down with him, then of course, known us could

say otherwise. As someone who, as we said, you lost your 12-year-old son,

Tim, to this man. A lot of people cannot review sites -- reconciled

the man he was in the man he became. But you have managed come to terms

with that. We were able to forgive me and forgiveness -- forgive Martin

McGuinness? I don't think that figures comes into it. Certain

things are forgiven. I found Martin McGuinness an easy and pleasant man

to talk to. I think he was sincerely devoted to peace and maintaining the

peace process at all cost. He deserves more credit for his recent

life, more than his previous life. I don't think anything in his recent

life can atone for that. That said, he was still a brave man who put

himself at some risk with some elements of his own community in

Northern Ireland. :, thank you very time this morning. That is Colin

Parry talking about the death of Martin McGuinness. His son Tim was

killed in the Warrington bombs in 1983. Much more destructive

programme this morning. -- much more I'm back with the latest

from the BBC London newsroom Plenty more on our website

at the usual address. Now though it's back

to Sally and Dan. Hello, this is Breakfast,

with Dan Walker and Sally Nugent. Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness

dies at the age of 66. It is understood the former deputy

First Minister of Northern Ireland had been suffering from

a rare heart condition. The former IRA

leader-turned-peacemaker worked at the heart of the power-sharing

government following the 1998 In a statement, the Sinn Fein

President Gerry Adams called him a passionate Republican who showed

great determination throughout his life.

Good morning, it is Tuesday 21 March.

The former deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland,

He had been diagnosed with a rare heart disease in December.

A former member of the IRA's Army Council, Mr McGuiness became

the chief negotiator in the Irish peace process for the republican

Our Ireland correspondent Chris Buckler looks back

To paint a true picture of Martin McGuinness,

He was a paramilitary who once embraced violence,

but also a peacemaker who reached out to rivals,

a man who could be seen in very different lights.

Born in Londonderry, into a large Catholic family,

Martin McGuinness came of age as Northern Ireland's divides became

In that time of violence, he joined the IRA, quickly rising

Can you say whether the bombing is likely to stop in the near future,

Well, I always take into consideration the appeals

The 1970s saw him become one of the faces of ruthless Irish

republicanism, and he was jailed for terrorist offences in Dublin.

McGuinness has changed considerably from the young man who used

to swagger around the no-go areas of Londonderry,

as commander of the Provisional IRA there.

What had started as a fight for civil rights had become

Yet, alongside the many bombings and shootings,

Martin McGuinness saw opportunities at the ballot box for Sinn Fein,

the political party linked to the IRA.

Even then, the language of threat remained.

We don't believe that winning elections, and winning any amount

of votes, will bring freedom in Ireland.

At the end of the day, it will be the cutting edge of IRA

But, after years of killings and chaos, in the 1990s,

IRA ceasefires offered the opportunity for talks

Not only would they shake hands, after the signing

of the Good Friday Agreement, they joined each other

Eventually, at its head was the unlikely partnership of two

former enemies, Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness.

The firebrand unionist and radical republican became so close

that they were nicknamed the Chuckle Brothers.

There were republicans who continued to threaten that political progress.

But, when a police officer was killed, the then-deputy first

minister stood side-by-side with the chief constable to condemn

They are traitors to the island of Ireland.

Alongside the words, there were actions on all sides.

The Queen's cousin Lord Mountbatten was killed by the IRA.

Yet, after the Troubles, royal and republican were able

However, relationships at Stormont always seemed strained

after Ian Paisley stepped down as First Minister,

to be replaced by Peter Robinson, and then Arlene Foster.

Earlier this year, with his ill-health by then obvious,

Martin McGuinness walked out of government, amid a row

between Sinn Fein and the DUP, the boy from Derry's northside

retiring as first minister after years in the IRA.

I've been over 25 years working, building the peace.

The past actions of the IRA will colour many people's views

But, as a republican who worked towards reconciliation,

he will be remembered as a key figure in changing Northern Ireland.

If you are just joining us this morning, the news that Martin

McGuinness has died at the age of 66. We have been reflecting that

news in the last hour or so here on reckless. We will speak to our

political correspondent Chris Mason in a moment. Peter Hain has said Mr

McGuinness was such a pivotal, essential figure in the Northern

Ireland peace process, condolences to his family. Alistair Campbell, so

sad Martin McGuinness has died. Some will never forgive his past, but

without him there will be no peace. The man I knew was a great guy.

Interesting you mention the tone of this. Former First Minister Arlene

Foster has paid a glowing tribute, saying that history will record

differing political opinions on the role Martin McGuinness played

throughout the recent and not so recent past but history will also

show that his contribution to the political and peace process was

significant. Lots of people getting in contact with us this morning, we

understand some strong political opinions, as he was a man who led

the Provisional IRA and committed so many atrocities, we are speaking to

Colin Parry, whose son was killed in 1993, and Kim gave a really powerful

account of meeting him in 2013. We asked him whether he would be able

to forgive Martin McGuinness for what happened to his son Tim. We

asked if he could ever forgive him, he said we can never forgive him,

for the man that he was and for the things that he did when he was in

charge of the IRA, but he said we can respect the man he became. As

Sally was saying, the man who was essential to the peace process and a

key negotiator in the peace process as well. Sally was saying he would

never forget that Martin McGuinness was a leader of the IRA back in his

time in the late 1970s. Returning to Westminster, and a political

correspondent Chris Mason, that is a theme. There is a lot to forgive but

also a lot to remember that he achieved. Yes, and I think the

essence of why there will be so many reflections on the life of Martin

McGuinness today and in the coming days is this. Right at the heart of

the attempt to bring peace to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday

Agreement of 19 years ago now was that this fundamental challenge, and

the fundamental challenge was a desire from a good number of people

from Northern Ireland, for the trouble is the end and the violence

to stop, for the murders to finish -- for the Troubles to end. And yet

perfectly understandably, on both sides of the divide in Northern

Ireland, an acute sense of the hatred and the animosity as a result

of those deaths and those murders. So how on earth was Northern Ireland

going to try and come through that? There had to be some sort of attempt

to build trust between the communities, and there was the

attempt with the Good Friday Agreement to set up power sharing,

an arrangement in Stormont which would recognise the divide within

Northern Ireland, which would have a First Minister from one side of the

divide and the Deputy First Minister from the other. I guess in essence

what was needed to bind together those political institutions were

some characters that were associated incredibly strongly with one side of

the divide or another, and Martin McGuinness most certainly associated

with the Republican side, who were willing to step across that

threshold, who were willing to say, yes, there is the past, yes, there

is a highly contentious and controversial past Tom and yes,

there are bigger, longer term political aspirations. Martin

McGuinness was a lifelong Republican who wanted to see the North of

Ireland, as he always described it, join the south, the republic, as

part of a united Ireland but the reason he will command the column

inches and airtime in the next few days and those reflections on his

life is because he was that personification of someone who came

from a violent past from Londonderry, his time as an IRA

commander, and yet became that person who could become the Deputy

First Minister, one of the Chuckle Brothers, someone who is even

willing to meet the Queen, the ultimate commander of the British

Armed Forces that he had fought against in Northern Ireland in the

years before. So as I say, that is why he will command the column

inches and discussions in the coming days, because he was that

personification of somebody who was willing to step across the divide,

to try and build a future for Northern Ireland, so different from

its past. Thank you very much indeed. That is Chris Mason in

Westminster. Stay with us, we will be back to you soon. You are

watching BBC Breakfast. Aware that many of you are turning on your

television for the first time this morning. We will bring you some of

the news very shortly but we are reflecting on the breaking news that

Northern Ireland 's former Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has

died. A lot of reflections on the man who was a divisive figure,

opinions coming on all sides of the political spectrum this morning but

what we can't deny is that he was a hugely pivotal figure in Irish

politics. That's right. More than anyone else Martin McGuinness

embodied the journey of Irish Republicans from guns to government.

As Chris Mason were saying he did have a past which was steeped in the

IRA. He was second-in-command of the IRA in his home city of Londonderry,

when the troubles were at their height. Then began the peace process

a couple of decades later and Martin McGuinness played an important role

in that, respected by rank-and-file members, uniquely placed to take the

IRA away from violence and into the political arena. He ended up sharing

power with, of all people, the Reverend Ian Paisley, the leader of

the Democratic Unionist party. So today in Northern Ireland as people

are waking up to this news there will certainly be a mixed reaction

to his death, a sense of shock I think among Martin McGuinness's

friends and enemies. Just a matter of a few weeks ago he was still the

Deputy First Minister at Stormont. We have just had a statement through

from his former partner in the power-sharing executive at Stormont,

Arlene Foster, the present leader of the DUP, she has acknowledged that

history will record different opinions on the role he played in

the recent and not so recent past, but she did say he was pivotal in

bringing the Republican movement towards a position of using peaceful

and democratic means. So I think from people within the Unionist

community in particular you will get a look at the two sides of Martin

McGuinness's life, his past in the IRA, and the other his role in

bringing peace to this very troubled part of the United Kingdom. I think

that is an important part as well. We were speaking to Colin Parry,

whose son was killed in the Warrington bombing, and he was

speaking on behalf of his family saying he will never be able to

forgive Martin McGuinness, but he can respect the man he became. I

think the same can be said for many people watching BBC Breakfast and

waking up to this news this morning as they will never be able to

forgive him for what he did but they will see him as having a crucial

role in bringing peace eventually. That's right. I think what

Republicans will be saying this morning is there wouldn't have been

a peace process without Martin McGuinness, they will be focusing

very much on his role as a peacemaker. Gerry Adams, the Sinn

Fein president, was the first to pay tribute to Martin McGuinness, saying

he worked diligently for peace. Martin McGuinness's last major

political act was to resign from the power-sharing executive at Stormont,

he said he was calling time on what he described as the DUP's arrogance.

It was never an easy relationship between Unionist and former IRA men

in government, that is for sure. But whenever Mr McGenniss did bring the

curtain down on that power-sharing arrangement after ten years, the

election which was treated as a result resulted in Sinn Fein's best

ever result in an election to the Stormont assembly, so those close to

the party will regard that as one of his finest legacies, though his

passing does come at a time when the future of the devolved government is

still very, very uncertain. In terms of what has happened this morning,

we know there was news back in December that he was suffering from

this rare heart condition. In January he stood down from his

position. We understand he died last night in the early hours of this

morning with his family surrounding him, as well. That's right. He died

in Derry, in hospital, just after midnight, we understand. It is

understood he had been suffering from a rare heart condition, though

he and his party had regarded his privacy, understandably, very

closely in his final weeks. His illness first came to public

knowledge back in December, when he was still Deputy First Minister at

Stormont, and he had to pull an overseas trip to China with the

First Minister, and he said his health was the reason for that. When

he made his resignation statement in January he was very visibly ill and

that is when people realised that his illness was very serious indeed.

He had spent the last number of weeks in hospital and the focus of

the morning among members of the party and others, a respected his

work in the peace process, the centre will be his home city of

Derry, and particularly the stroke stronger strongly republican area

where he grew up. Much more on the life and career of

Martin McGuinness coming on throughout the programme. And the

rest of the news, but let's go to Carol, who has all of the weather

. They s so of us have seen snow this morning. You can see this in

the Weather Watchers pitches here. This one is from the Highlands. And

another one here as well. So that makes no not deep, but there are in

Falkirk. Sunshine and showers, and some of the showers will be wintry.

Go through the day, the winteriness will be confined largely to the

hills. But this is where we have been having some snow as we have

gone through the night. Northern Ireland in Scotland in particular.

We have seen some across northern England, Wales, and south-west

England. Where the showers are falling on cold ground, there is the

risk of ice. In Northern Ireland Scotland. The heavy snow showers at

the moment are in the west of Scotland, north a sharp. If you're

travelling, better than mine. In between, some such. Wheels that some

showers across northern England. But as is the way with showers, not all

is conceivable is the -- not all of us can see them. But it is colder

than was yesterday. Yesterday were in double figures. We are very much

in low single figures as morning. Pushing into the south-west of

England over the more centaurs, we could see some so showers. Also

across parts of Wales, some so showers. This will tend to lift into

the hills, but in some of the showers, we should see a mixture of

rain, hail, and sleet. And also is thunder. Those exposed to the

elements will feel cold. Temperatures five to eight. Two

ridges in the south ten to 12. That looks good on the face, but it has

come down. Through the course of it evening and overnight, our next band

of rain and wind comes in from the south-west. It, too, will deposit

some snow across Wales in the high risk. As it moves away, it behind

it, there will be the risk of ice and frost. But as this renegade is

the vehicle they are already ensconced across northern England,

it will readily turned to snow, possibly even at lower levels. And

that will be with you first to get the morning for the morning's

rush-hour. Neither is to say, it will be a cold but where you are,

but particularly under clear skies. And some of the Glens of Scotland,

it could be as low as - ten. Through the day, late today, the snow level

rise. It will be cloudy and quite wet across the bulk of England and

Wales, but some of us in the south will start to season sunshine. But

there will be more sunshine across Scotland and also Northern Ireland.

You can see the direction of the wind. It is coming from the

north-east, which is a cold direction. Then it refers to a

northerly direction. As a move into Thursday, we still do have our

weather fronts producing some rain. But as we push further north, it

will be drier and brighter. But still a bit on the chilly side.

Moving from Thursday to Friday, here is the system rather around the low

pressure. It sinks south on Friday, taking the red with it, but

high-pressure dominate the weekend, and temperatures will improve.

We will talk you get enough now. It is to give us seven. A reminder of

our main story and Martin McGuinness, the former Deputy First

Minister has died. He was 66. He had been diagnosed with a rare heart

disease back in December of last yet. A former member of the IRA's

Ameet Council, he became the chief negotiator in the peace process for

Sinn Fein. We will have more reflections on this life and career

throughout the programme for you. -- Army Council. Jeremy Corbyn made a

plea for unity last night added meeting of MPs. The allegations were

made by this deputy, Tom Watson, who is accused of trade to interfere in

the Unite union's leadership contest. That the hail say they are

introducing a soft drink levy to encourage food and drink companies

to reduce sugar in their products. Later today, Nicola Sturgeon will

begin the task of gathering support any Scottish Parliament. For another

evidence referendum. -- Later today, Nicola Sturgeon

will begin the task of gathering support in the Scottish Parliament

to seek another independence The First Minister will

address MPs as part of a two-day debate

into the proposed vote, which the Scottish National Party

wants to take place as early Our Scotland Correspondent Lorna

Gordon is at Holyrood for us. What's the mood there

ahead of today's debate, Yes it is a big day for Scottish

politics. But I think before we look a little more closely at that, it is

worth reflecting on what has happened across the Irish Sea this

morning. David Clegg is here with me. David, Martin McGuinness did

visit Parliament here. Yes, I was that a few press conferences with

them, and it came spoken this journey. It was odd for someone who

Kroppy Northern Ireland to be seen all these men laughing and jerky

round. That showed the journey that they had gone on. The event is in

Paisley Jr and some of his remarks previously that Martin McGuinness,

and how that was so important for the peace process and also reflected

in Scotland and the dynamic of the politicians, here. Joyce, Martin

McGuinness has strong views on Brexit, didn't he? Oh yes. And I

suppose the death of Martin McGuinness just reinforces the

feeling that in a kind of changing moment now. Obviously, the peace

process in Northern Ireland has been a very major event in these islands

over the last 20 years. Although one that is not enough covered from a

English or even Scottish perspective. And I think what impact

could -- I think what impact it will have on Irish politics I don't know.

But the memory of Martin McGuinness are still quite divisive. There are

some people who could never be reconciled to him as a Sinn Fein and

politician and former IRA supporter. But I think that the overall effect

should be makers think about the peace process. -- should be to make

us think. It is too should think of the impact that the peace process

had there. I feel terrible about how little bit Brexit -- how little

Northern Ireland was considered in the Brexit process. And the hope is

with all the events going on, this could put on the agenda. Talk about

the peace process and everything going here. A big debate starts

today. Opposition parties, the unionist opposition parties, so that

the SNP are fixated on independence to the detriment of their day job.

Is that a fair point? Obviously, the SNP are a party of independence. And

the Unionist Party are always good clapboard and have the right to be

that. But that is what they are. And with that mandate, they want a very

high proportion of the votes here in a general election less than a year

ago. So I think is wrong to the SNP to push independence. It is a fairly

futile line of argument. What do you figure that, David? They do have a

mandate and were voted in? Yes, they were voted in. They did not have a

majority. It is hard to get a majority. In proportional

representation, that is difficult. I think that the Greens will have to

vote for this as well if there is a request another referendum. There

commitment is not sold in any way. They have said they would have to be

public demand for it and clearly they do not have that. This is about

Brexit and Scotland being dragged out of the EU against as well. So

the SNP and more solid ground. It is interesting that Nicola Sturgeon is

reframing the argument as the days go on, but less about the EU, but

more about the sovereign will of the people? It is just becomes a contest

between the EU and the UK, I think the UK will probably come out the

winner. So she has to make Brexit not so much about the European

Union, but about Scotland's which is being overruled by votes elsewhere

in the UK. It has clear that that more Exocet or, democratic deficit,

rather than just Brussels as an institution. Because of the contest

here because we should leave the United Kingdom to remain in the EU,

that will not work. She is in a position to make difficult position.

-- she is in a difficult position. I could vote in another independence

referendum because I couldn't support live in EU? I think Nick

Lester just rented two things. I think she's front to lead a

political grounds that we can have a referendum at the time when the

Brexit deal is finished, which should be within two years. And

secondly, I think she is trained to influence the negotiations that is

May cannot ignore and cannot sideline Scottish interests during

Brexit negotiations. Thank you both very much for joining us. This

debate will last two days. It will take place at around about 5pm

tomorrow afternoon. It is likely to pass, at which point Nicola Sturgeon

will, despite Theresa May's refusal at this point, she will go back to

me she will go to Westminster and asked for the right to hold another

referendum. Thank you for joining us from Holyrood.

Time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are.

Now though it's back to Sally and Dan.

Hello, this is Breakfast with Dan Walker and Sally Nugent.

Our main story this morning: The former deputy First Minister

of Northern Ireland, Martin McGuiness, has died aged 66.

He had been diagnosed with a rare heart disease in December.

A former member of the IRA's Army Council, Mr McGuiness became

the chief negotiator in the Irish peace process for the republican

To paint a true picture of Martin McGuinness,

He was a paramilitary who once embraced violence,

but also a peacemaker who reached out to rivals,

a man who could be seen in very different lights.

Born in Londonderry, into a large Catholic family,

Martin McGuinness came of age as Northern Ireland's divides became

In that time of violence, he joined the IRA, quickly rising

Can you say whether the bombing is likely to stop in the near future,

Well, I always take into consideration the appeals

The 1970s saw him become one of the faces of ruthless Irish

republicanism, and he was jailed for terrorist offences in Dublin.

McGuinness has changed considerably from the young man who used

to swagger around the no-go areas in Londonderry,

as commander of the Provisional IRA there.

What had started as a fight for civil rights had become

Yet, alongside the many bombings and shootings,

Martin McGuinness saw opportunities at the ballot box for Sinn Fein,

the political party linked to the IRA.

Even then, the language of threat remained.

We don't believe that winning elections, and winning any amount

of votes, will bring freedom in Ireland.

At the end of the day, it will be the cutting edge of IRA

But, after years of killings and chaos, in the 1990s,

IRA ceasefires offered the opportunity for talks

Not only would they shake hands, after the signing

of the Good Friday Agreement, they joined each other

Eventually, at its head was the unlikely partnership of two

former enemies, Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness.

The firebrand unionist and radical republican became so close

that they were nicknamed the Chuckle Brothers.

There were republicans who continued to threaten that political progress.

But, when a police officer was killed, the then-deputy first

minister stood side-by-side with the chief constable to condemn

They are traitors to the island of Ireland.

Alongside the words, there were actions on all sides.

The Queen's cousin Lord Mountbatten was killed by the IRA.

Yet, after the Troubles, royal and republican were able

Thank you very much, I am still alive!

However, relationships at Stormont always seemed strained

after Ian Paisley stepped down as First Minister,

to be replaced by Peter Robinson, and then Arlene Foster.

Earlier this year, with his ill-health by then obvious,

Martin McGuinness walked out of government, amid a row

between Sinn Fein and the DUP, the boy from Derry's Bogside

retiring as deputy first minister after years in the IRA.

I've been over 25 years working, building the peace.

The past actions of the IRA will colour many people's views

But, as a republican who worked towards reconciliation,

he will be remembered as a key figure in changing Northern Ireland.

We have been getting an reaction to the death of Martin McGuinness

throughout the morning. We can talk now to Naomi Long,

the leader of the Alliance Party I know it was only yesterday that

you yourself sent out your very best wishes, talking about Martin

McGuinness's health, and talking about how frail he had been in

recent times. Yes, and obviously I wanted to send my condolences to his

wife and to the family, because today is a very sad and very

difficult day for them, and our thoughts and prayers are with them

this morning. He was indeed very frail. The last time I saw him was

when he was leaving the assembly in December, and he had deteriorated

greatly in the last few weeks so I knew that he was very seriously ill,

and that was something that was of concern. This morning I suppose we

are all reflecting on a very mixed career. I think this was reflected

in the interview that he did with Chris. Also, Naomi, I don't want to

interrupt, but also, you have been... We have heard you in the

past say that you have struggled to come to terms with some of the

things that he had done in the past, like many people who have been

watching this morning, you have struggled to reconcile the man we

saw from decades ago with the man you had in dealing with in recent

years. Absolutely, and I think that today there are lots of victims of

violence who will find today and the next few days difficult as people

pay tribute to Martin McGuinness, and that will be a painful

experience for them if they lost families as a result of the

Troubles. At the end of the day, however, we have to recognise that

without people like them who showed courage and dedication in terms of

moving the peace process forward, and in terms of keeping devolution

and standing in Northern Ireland, we will not be where we are today. His

past is well documented, but I think it would be wrong not to reflect on

the transformation that we saw in Martin McGuinness and in his

commitment to the peace process. We are obviously in a very difficult

period in terms of devolution at this point in time, and I think our

best tribute to him would be to ensure that the assembly which he

spent the last ten years of his life serving as Deputy First Minister is

restored and able to continue with the work that he started. So it is a

very conflicted figure, but the one that I worked with was one that

always treated me with courtesy, that always treated me with respect.

And as someone who was clearly deeply and profoundly committed to

moving the peace process forward, and I think for that we should be

grateful. I am interested to know, I know you worked with him

extensively, I'm interested to know whether you ever spoke to him about

forgiveness and reconciliation. We had Colin Parry on this morning, who

lost his son Tim, and he said quite simply, he would never even be able

to the began to forgive him, but he would respect him for the man he

became. Did you ever have that conversation with him about

forgiveness, and about how aware he was of the level of distress, upset,

devastation, that had been caused during those years? Well, Martin

McGuinness never denied his past. He also never apologised for his past.

And I think that that was reflective of the fact that, regardless of his

latter years, he believed that at that time his actions were

justified, and that is something that I will never accept, because I

do not believe that violence was of a part of the solution to our

problems here in Northern Ireland. However, I do think that we have got

to recognise that, when you make peace, you do it with your enemies.

And that requires us to be able to reconcile ourselves to the fact that

there will be those who committed some awful crime, there will be

those who took actions which we cannot comprehend. There will be

those who said and did things which contributed to that, you will also

be absolutely critical to moving the process forward. Martin McGuinness

was one of those people who showed courage in being able to move from

where he was at that time to where he was at the end of his life.

Someone who had dedicated the latter part of his life to building peace

in Northern Ireland, and to bringing stability through the devolved

institutions. That doesn't in any way absolve responsibility for past

deeds, but it does, I think, suggest that there is an opportunity for

people who want to make real change in life to be able to do that at any

stage, and be able to make a positive contribution, and it is

something that is part of our peace process, I think we all struggle

with that at times but it is very important if we are to have the kind

of success in terms of building peace that we are able to accept,

that there is more than one facet to the people that we meet and work

with, and that we have to be willing to stretch our constituencies, and

perhaps Martin McGuinness would not have been able to do the things he

did, such as meeting with the Queen and stretching his constituency, had

he not also have that passed with him that gave him credibility within

his own community to be able to do that. And those I guess our debates

which will happen over the years and months to come. But I think for

today my primary thoughts are with his family, because above all he was

dedicated to his family. One of my memories is actually seeing him in a

restaurant in his home city, with his family, around the table, and

how open and friendly and welcoming he was when we just casually bumped

into each other. And that reminds me all the time that, for every

politician that we see in the public eye, there is a human and a family

person in the background that often gets overlooked. And I suppose today

my thoughts are really with his family, with his close friends,

because they will be grieving has lost today. Thank you very much

indeed for your time this morning. That is Naomi Long, leader of the

Alliance party. We are reflecting on our main story this morning, the

announcement of the death of the former Deputy First Minister of

Northern Ireland, Martin McGuinness. We are reflecting on the fact that

he was a hugely divisive but also pivotal figure in northern Irish

politics. Loads of comments coming in from our viewers this morning,

thank you very much for those as well. I will just read you some

reaction from various political figures which we are getting this

morning via social media as well. Peter Hain says condolences to

Martin McGuinness's family, such a pivotal, a central figure in the

Northern Ireland peace process. And from Tony Blair's former director of

communications, so sad he has died. Some will never forgive his past,

but without him, there would be no peace. The man I knew was a great

guy. And the STL leader says history will record his career as a journey,

one born in a traditional violence but in a testament to his character,

he arrived in politics and the art of persuasion. Those who knew him

will know that his warm and affable nature undoubtedly made it easier

for him to move beyond his own political base.

Let's speak now to Chris Paige, our Ireland correspondent,

who is in our Belfast newsroom for us.

Thank you very much for your time this morning. : In his comment

Torquay about history, how do you think history will judge Martin

McGuinness? Well, is life was undoubtedly controversial, his

legacy will be conflicts in many ways. What no one can doubt this he

was one of the most influential politicians of modern times. Many

Republicans will say they wouldn't have been a peace process without

Martin McGuinness. He joined the IRA in the early 1970s in his home city

of Derry, when the Troubles were at their height. Derry was in many ways

the crucible of the conflict, and immensely divided city, perhaps more

so than any other place in Northern Ireland. His reputation in the IRA,

if you like, was forged under those circumstances. He remains a senior

figure in the Republican movement throughout the years of violence but

in the late 1980s and the early 1990s the peace process to place and

he was one of, if not the key figures in the Republican movement

as negotiations began. With the government first of all in secret,

and then more publicly. It was a remarkable journey by any standards.

Ultimately it ended up with him sharing power with a man who would

have been regarded as perhaps his foremost enemy, the Reverend Ian

Paisley, the founder of the Democratic Unionist party, the most

hardline of all Unionist leaders. It took a long road of negotiations to

get there. That happen in 2007 when Mr McGenniss and Mr Paisley finally

went into government together but the remarkable thing was they got

along so well -- Martin McGuinness. They were nicknamed the Chuckle

Brothers and it is that relationship recently which has been made into a

film, which I think will sum up the two sides, if you like, of Martin

McGuinness's life. Some unionists could never reconcile themselves to

the idea that someone like Martin McGuinness could end up running

Northern Ireland but the fact that he did, after taking on a journey

from guns to government, he was able to strike up not a working

relationship with Mr Paisley, but a warm one, and that relationship with

the Democratic Unionist party continued for ten years, up until

very recently. When you look at the remarkable turnaround, if you like,

from tons of violence in Northern Ireland the times of peace, it is a

very, very fascinating story, and I think those two sides of Martin

McGuinness's life will be reflected on in the days and years ahead. You

are right, it is a fascinating, extraordinary story, isn't it? What

you are saying about the two sides of him has been reflected in what

people are saying to us this morning. Some people are watching

this and will probably switch the television off because of the past

of Martin McGuinness, and others will look at the man and politician

he became, who was essential to securing that peace in Northern

Ireland. That's right, the IRA was responsible for hundreds of killings

during the Troubles, it was a deadly paramilitary group, and in what was

a conflict that it many times over the years people thought could never

ends. In the end it did, Martin McGuinness played such a significant

role in that process. It is interesting to look down at the

tribute from Arlene Foster, the present leader of the Democratic

Unionist party. Until very recently she was Martin McGuinness's partner

in government, First Minister at Stormont, Martin McGuinness was

Deputy First Minister and that power-sharing executive collapsed in

January when on one of his last political acts he resigned as First

Minister sang the relationship between the two parties had broken

down. But Mrs Foster herself saw first-hand the Troubles, her father

was shot during the violence, and she says that history will also show

that his contribution to the political and peace process was

significant. Thank you for your time this

morning, Chris. Those opinions are being reflected at home. A lot of

people are saying that he was to buy seven controversial, but also a

significant figure in the history of this country, of Ireland, of the

last seven decades. Exactly. Thank you feel cross borders as morning.

We will bring you an update on some other news across the UK, but first

The weather. So the showers are falling at the moment is no, that it

across Scotland and Northern Ireland. You can see what is been

happening in the last six hours. This is where we have had the most

prolific sours. We've also has snow showers across northern England, but

was, in south-west England. We'll hold on to those showers in some

parts, especially across western Scotland, but increasingly, you will

find that this is no element will be largely confined to the hills and at

lower levels any showers will be mostly of rain. But you could also

see some sleet and hail and a little bit of thunder as well. Quite a

windy day in prospect. By the Ptarmigan to the afternoon, a new

system will come from the south-west, bringing strong winds

and so rain with Summer Hill snow. North Wales still holding on to

skies was a red showers. Still some showers across Northern Ireland.

Some of those on the hills will be wintry. You might see sleet and some

showers at lower levels. It is the same across Scotland. There will

still be some showers, sunshine, with the snow largely by then on the

hills. For the Pennines, snowmobiles, and rain a lower

levels. You do get a shower. But the much a central, and eastern England,

it will be dry with sunshine. The top average in London is 11. This

time last week, we were looking way up in the teens. As we head through

the evening and into overnight, that system will continue to move

northwards, depositing snow in Wales. There could be the risk of

ice behind it. The risk of frost in south-west England possible. As that

engages with the cold air already ensconced in Scotland, we will see

that turn to snow, even at lower levels. Dry across the south-east,

Scotland and Northern Ireland, that he will be particular cold, with

temperatures in some of the clans down to - ten. For much of England

and Wales, where looking at between four and five. Eccles suffered

tomorrow. Still some stir showers around, and then by the time we get

to Thursday, while we have also this band of rain, connected with this

air of low pressure. To the north, brighter and drier. Still feeling

chilly. But as we had from Thursday to Friday, this system, which is

connected to a Nehra of low pressure, will continue to drift

away onto the near continent, allowing high pressure to build and

buy that. All of us, that means the weather is could be more settled as

we head into the weekend. The other thing that you will notice is the

temperatures will start to recover, with much of the UK seeing a return

to double figures. Current thinking is that this air of higher pressure

is set to stay with us for quite a while. But if you are heading off to

the Mediterranean, where you can see it is looking pretty unsettled, they

are. Over to you guys. The number of children under the age

of five in England who have had teeth removed has risen by almost

a quarter in the last decade. The figures have been obtained

by the Royal College of Surgeons which says

most of the tooth decay Here's our Health

Correspondent, Jane Dreaper. Tooth decay is painful

but it can be prevented. Regular brushing, seeing the dentist

and cutting back on sugary But new figures show more children

in England are needing Just over 84,000 extractions

were carried out on under-fives The number went up by almost

a quarter in that time, much bigger than the overall

increase in this age group. Last year alone, there were more

than 9,000 extractions involving They've probably had

many sleepless nights, may have had time away from school,

may have been prescribed antibiotics in the meantime, and it's really

the only the way we can deal with the problem is to admit them,

and to have a full-blown general Dentists want proceeds from the UK's

forthcoming sugar tax to be spent on educating people

about the importance of looking The Department of Health said