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Good evening. Welcome to NorthWest Tonight with Gordon Burns... And

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Ranvir Singh. Our top story: Guilty and jailed. A day of reckoning as

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the courts crack down hard on the rioters. Rerecognise that justice

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must be swift. Also, councils get tough on tenants and their children,

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those convicted of disorder could lose their homes.

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Questions over the police' riot kit, is itroom up to the job? And going

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home, six weeks after major heart surgery, little William prepares to

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leave hospital. Six weeks we have been here. Every

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day is like a week. What we want to get back to normality and bringing

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up William. And the volunteers getting back to

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Good evening. Swift justice was meted out to some

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of those involved in the rioting in Manchester, Liverpool and Salford.

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In a special measure in the last 36 hours 97 people have appeared

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before extended sittings of Manchester and Liverpool and

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Magistrates' Courts. 16 of those people have been sentenced with the

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rest due back in the dock at a later day date. At Manchester

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Magistrates' Court four crown prosecutors worked through the

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night Our Chief Reporter Dave Guest saw some of them returning from

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sentencing, Dave, clearly an unusual situation there? That is

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right. The court behind me is closed, but the hours it has worked

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over the past council of days has been unprecedented, but these are

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unpress dened times. As important as it was for the police to be seen

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catching those possible, it was important for the courts to be

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dealing with the culprits effectively. It was said in

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Manchester that a stock had lost stock worth �200,000. Victim need

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to see that justice is being done and being done effectively.

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First came the rioting, then the retribution. These are the faces of

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some of those who have been taken to court and jailed for their

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involvement in Tuesday's disturbances. Manchester city

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Magistrates' Courts stayed open throughout the night to process

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these and many more arrested as a result of the riots.

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This is the first time ever. We dealt with more than 70 cases. We

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recognise that the justice to be effective must be swift. The boy in

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red was the youngest dealt with today. Just 12 years old. He looted

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from a supermarket. He was given a nine-month referral order. The

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mother had strong words for reporters outside of the courts.

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(BLEEP). At this jewellery shop one man

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stepped into a shattered window and helped himself to jewellery up to

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the worth of �700,000. He admitted that he came from a good family.

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His family did not know he was in court. There is a good chance he --

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they do now, though, he was remanded into the custody and sent

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for sentencing. District Judge Alan Berg said he

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brought shame and disgrace on herself. A message brought to

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others today. He said that their behaviour was intolerable. He would

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be imposing exemplary sentences. People who think they were involved

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in something that was just a bit of a lark will end up with severe

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sentences. Here today in the coward, the situation was that Dayle

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Blinkhorn and his friend stole goods from Bang & Olufsen up to

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�,000. The judge handed a six month

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sentence to them. Jordan Kelly admitted going to a

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shop heading into Manchester with a balaclava and a black bin bag.

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Meanwhile, the police are looking at CCTV to help them catch up with

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more of those involved. Well, away from the courts, how

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should the rioters be punished? One suggestion backed by the Prime

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Minister this afternoon is that they should be evicted from their

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council houses. Another that they be stripped of their housing and

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other benefits, but some organisations say that making

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people homeless will merely create new problems and social landlords

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say it can take years to get rid of problem tenants.

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We have this report. Scorched streets and smashed shops

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show where Liverpool saw trouble, but what should happen to those who

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cause this? Some ministers think that rioting social tenants should

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be -- evicted. You have gone out and caused

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devastation to other's communities. There is no reason you should

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continue to get the been fits and the privileges from the state that

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you enjoy. Housing Association, not the council run the social housing.

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An online petition has 100,000 signatures calling for rioters to

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lose benefits. But it did not find support among

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those we spoke to ($$NEWLINE would say it is harsh. If you have

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a single mum with an 18-month-old lad, what is she to do.

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Social landlords met to discuss the order. They promised robust action

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against the rioters, but pointed out it is not just the social

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tenants before the courts. The reality is that, some of the

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stuff going through the courts show that is by no means exclusive to

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social housing. Lots of the examples have been professional

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people, teachers, things of that nature.

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One charity in Birkenhead said that evictions could cause as many

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problems as they solve. I can see the people rioting then

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because of that and maybe more people becoming involved, extended

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families, friends, especially if they are talking of evicting a

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whole family because of one single member of that family.

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Evicting tenants can be tostly and time consuming. Courts can be

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reluctant to make families homeless. If any rioters or their families

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are to lose their homes, it is unlikely to happen quickly.

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Well the leaders of both Manchester and Salford City councils have

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issued to warnings to the council house tenants in the areas if they

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were involved in the looting, they could be kicked from their homes.

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With me now is councillor John Merry, councillor mermer, could be

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or will be evicted? We will be pursuing those through the courts,

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yes. Well what should it be? Well, we

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can only seek orders from the court to evict them, but yes. These

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people have attempted to destroy our community. We have to remove

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them from our community. So, making that clear, all those

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convicted in the courts could be convicted from their houses?

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would attempt to. They have to be guilty first of an indictable

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offence. Then we have to get the permission of the court to evict

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them, but we seek to recover possessions of the homes, yes.

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How many tenants have been identified so far as being

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involved? In the next few days we will be in a position to announce

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that. At the moment the police are executed warrants in Salford and

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will be for the next few days. There will be a substantial group

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of those who actually are council house tenants, we will take the

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required action. You issued an ultimatum to parents,

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shop your kids and keep your house? I did not put it in those terms,

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but yes. If your child has bin involved in any of the crimes, the

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best way of securing your future and that of the child's is to

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report that to the police. If you are saying that they know

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they have been involved and don't report them to the police they will

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be thrown from their house? We are considering that proceeding against

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them. It would depend on the particular circumstances, but if

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they have been guilty of allowing their child to riot and have done

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nothing about it or taken advantage of it, we will attempt to evict

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them. Does this situation follow through

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to everything away from rioting? If somebody robs the local off-licence

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or the local sweet shop, their families will be evicted from their

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house? If a sald ford tenancy agreement, it says if you are found

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guilty of an indictable offence, we will seek to take the property from

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you. Have you done that? Yes, and

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evicted people guilty of antisocial behaviour.

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I want to get on to the other point of what happened to -- what happens

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to the families when you evict them? You don't care that much what

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happens to them? They have to sort thements out? They have -- them

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selfs out? They have to find a home for themselve, yes. I have to think

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of the people in the community, the great majority of people who are

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law-abiding and did not loot and who are appalled at this behaviour.

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Secondly, of course we are concerned about the welfare of the

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children. We will do something about that and will continue to do

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John Merry, thank you very much. Interesting stuff. So the looters

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are feeling the full force of the law. They may lose their homes, by

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why weren't more caught on the night? Today one of Greater

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Manchester's Police lay some of the blame at the door of the Government.

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Inspector Bob Cantrell claimed that us stairity measures left them

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fighting a mob with equipment not up to the job and risking their

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lives. They were under attack and on the move. For hours officers

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gave chase. Many were caught, most were not. Why? I know there has

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been comment about why we did not catch as many people. Believe me, I

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would have loved to have caught those people.

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The helmet... This, he says is what let them down. Kit as old as his

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career with the force. I'm wearing kit that I was wearing

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17 years ago. The people who turned out on that

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day with me, without fail did what I asked when I asked them to do it.

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Like I say, it is when you look back on it, you think that was

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really, really dangerous. Today I spoke to this company in

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Northampton, they provide police protection equipment. When we

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called them this afternoon, they were taking in a shipment for the

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Metropolitan Police. I asked them to come pair the kind of protection

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gear they sold today to the stuff that they were selling 20 years ago.

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They said that the modern stuff is lighter, stronger and more flexible.

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That there was no comparison. But while the Met is spending, the

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Greater Manchester 7 police is not the �130 million that they save

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means that they cannot afford to. We have been working with the

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Government, but have the Government been there for us? Chief Constable

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Fahey has said that they could make the cuts without affecting the

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service, but another said this evening that was not true.

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The way that the Greater Manchester Police dealt with the riots has

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been criticised today. One MP saying that the effect on public

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confidence was devastating as officers failed to stop the looting.

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Our Political Editor joins us now from Westminster. This was not

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clear of individual officers, was it? No, it was not. All of the MPs

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were keen to stress that they understood that the police officers

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had been brave and courageous in trying to deal with the riots, but

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there was concern from MPs in Salford and in Manchester about the

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way that the police had used their tactics for this, the techniques

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that they were using. In particular when the rioters were looting the

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shops and some police officers were appearing to be standing by and

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watching it happen. Some criticism came from Hazel

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Blears, a former Policing Minister herself. She described the attacks

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as deliberate, organised, violent criminality. It was the case that

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some officers had instructions where they did not have riot gear,

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that they were not trained that they had to stand by and watch what

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happened. The effect on public confidence is devastating.

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Many of my constituents were horrified when they saw the police

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in full riot gear watching as the looters went into the shops, filled

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the black plastic bags and they were full of loot and left un-

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arrested by the police. Well, the Prime Minister has

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discussed the issues with a number of people in Greater Manchester

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Manchester. Among them, Tony Lloyd, the Labour MP for Manchester

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Central. To what extent do you share the concerns that we heard

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there? I am bound to share the view that is universal in Parliament

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today. Let's put the blame firmly on the rioters. That is where the

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problems stem from. Of course, what we have got to have a -- is a

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proper review of the policing tactics. If things could have been

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done differently and most importantly if the things could be

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done differently in the future. We saw enormous damage to the property.

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If things were worse we could have seen this done to people. I think

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that everybody needs assurance that whilst we ask the police to be very

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brave in these things, without a witch hunt over their tactics let's

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have a proper review and know if the equipment is right if the

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numbers are right and if there is a different way of doing things that

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could have protected the property and disperse the rising crowd

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earlier. Thank you very much for your time.

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Clearly this is an issue of concern for David Cameron. Who told the

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Commons today, that lessons must be learned.

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And radio Manchester is on air with a special phone-in about the riots

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after Question Time on BBC One. A couple have appeared before the

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magistrates charged with the murder of a four-month-old baby boy in

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Lancaster. The baby boy was admitted to the Royal Lancaster

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infirmry but died four days after. Christopher Roberts and Karen

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Irvine are to appear tomorrow morning at the crony court.

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The police say that they do not believe that a woman who died at

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Stepping Hill Hospital was linked to the problems with the saline

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solution. The police are still trying to establish if Vera

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Pearson's death was part of this. The police are also reviewing the

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deaths of three others and if their deaths were involved in the

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contaminated saline solution. Still to come: The baby William,

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ready to go home. And down on the farm.

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I decided to help longer, I have been here ever since! Next, farmers

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on the Isle of Man are turning to ab twars here in the UK to get a

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better price for livestock. They tharg the only plant on the island,

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the Government-funded Isle of Man Meats is not giving enough money

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for their animals. We have this report. Trying to make

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the sums add up. For Ballasalla farmer, exporting livestock to the

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UK is the only option. He says that the prices for his stock is better

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than what he receives here at the Francois Mitterrand.

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I can get �1,500 in England and �600 here.

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The abattoir on the island say that the prices are taken on the

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averages. Generally for cattle and lambs, it

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is based upon the figures, the cattle prices are based upon the

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four-week rolling average and lamb prices based on the one-week

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average. The ab tory has undergone to make

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improvements, but here they feel that there is no option to set up

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their own private abtory. The more we looked into it, it is

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something that we looked into seriously it is something that we

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believe we can make work on the island.

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Key to the success of the application needs backing from the

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Government. The focus is making the current abatoir to work with all

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partners. If there is an opportunity with

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others in the future, that is good as long as the industry is large

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enough to sustain it. Sports news and the riots in London

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have led to Everton's Premier League match against Tottenham

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Hotspur being postponed. The weekend's top-flight matches are

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all on. Now on to happy news. Six weeks ago,

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four-month-old William Burns had a major operation on his heart. We

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were there with him and his family before, during and after that

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surgery at Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

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After, though, as we told you, there were complications. Since

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then he has had to have two more operations, wo weeks ago, he almost

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died -- two weeks ago, he almost died, but William is now out of

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intensive care and this weekend he is finally going home.

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We have this report. It is difficult to believe that

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just two weeks ago baby William almost died.

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He had had three serious operations in as many weeks and spent more

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than a month in intensive care, but this weekend, William, is going

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home. What is the first thing you will do

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when you get him home? Sit and cuddle him without all of 9 wires,

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anything. He probably will not be put down until he is too big to

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pick up! We met William and his family for the first time at the

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end of June. The left side of his heart does not

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work properly. He had had one operation this was his second.

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It took longer than expected. Six- and-a-half hours, as the surgeons

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tried to get William's lungs to take some of the pressure off his

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heart. And the next day he was back in theatre, his left lung

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obstructed as this X-ray shows. He did not look well the first

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night of the operation. He looked better after the second operation.

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You could say that it looked like it worked, but he fell poorly again.

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William needed another operation, this time to a-- repair his

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diaphragm. Then he developed a blood clot.

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I never had any doubt that he would be OK, until we were taken into a

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room with the tissues and it was put Palestinianly -- plainly to me

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how poorly he was. What did you think about the

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situation? The people that helped. The doctors, the surgeons.

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He is a little fighter, he really is! Obviously he is meant to be

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here! Now that William is out of intensive care, once his body has

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withdrawn from the drugs, he will finally be able to leave Alder Hey

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Children's Hospital. It is an amazing feeling. We can't

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wait. It is six weeks we have been here. Every day is like a week. We

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want to get back to normal life. Being a family.

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William will need one more operation in a few years' time. 15

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years ago surgeons could have done nothing to help children with his

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condition. Today William will be able to lead an almost normal life.

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He looks lovely and healthy there, it is amazing. An emotional day for

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the family. A nice story.

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Let's take a look at the weather Let's take a look at the weather

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now with Diane. I have not had any good news this

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week, so let's bring you a little bit. It will get better. Heading

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towards the weekend things will be drier and fresher. Here are the

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next couple of days. Once Friday is out of 9 way. There could be one or

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two showers on Sunday, but look at that, gradually settling down. We

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were talking about Cumbria and Lancashire veeing the heaviest of

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the rain, that is how it turned out -- seeing the heaviest of the rain.

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There are the rain falls. Significant amounts today.

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It is grey over Manchester City centre.

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For Lancashire and Cumbria, the risk continues through the night

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and through the Pennines it will be damp.

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There will be mist and fog over the high ground, but the overnight

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temperatures are not so bad up to 16 Celsius.

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It continues to be overcast and damp. That is our story again in

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the morning. Damp rather than pouring down.

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I think that for parts of Merseyside, Manchester and Cheshire,

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a little glimpse of sunshine. Towards the tail of the day, this

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is what you get. Another band of rain moving in from the Irish Sea.

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It should have spread just about everywhere by tomorrow night, but

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get it out of the way and the picture starts to settle down

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through the weekend. The temperatures falling by a couple of

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temperatures falling by a couple of degrees.

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Earlier in the week we looked at the volunteers making life brighter

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for a group of children in Blackpool. Tonight in his second

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report, Radio Manchester's Alan Beswick met children giving up

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their free time to provide a breath of fresh air to children down at

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the farm. I am shovelling this stuff at a

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farm near Birkenhead. The animals at the farm made all of this stuff,

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but who makes the farm tick? Well, several hundred dread people, in

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fact. None of them afraid to muck in. Workers from 12 to 86 with a

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range of abilities and in some cases, disabilities. The one thing

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in common-they are all volunteers. I started when I was in my old

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secondary school. I started for one day. I thought I was only going to

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do it for that long, but I really liked it here. I have been here

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ever since. He still doesn't do what you tell

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him, six years or not! Come here, you! For some it is a stepping

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stone. Next year I'm planning to go to

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Africa and work with animals doing safari work. So I thought it would

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be a good idea to get a little bit of experience here.

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Even though it is smaller animals. And they don't eat you! Yes! That's

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it! And no snakes here! Here you go. The great thing about this is, it

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costs absolutely nothing to get in. Thousands come every year and who

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can blame them? But how does it survive? Well, it is run as a

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charitable Trust and gets by on donations, phrasing and the support

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of the councils. Voluntary work is crucial as life can be a bit hand-

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to-mouth. It is always a worry. At the back

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of your mind you are thinking where is the next bit of money coming

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from? Where is the next project coming from? Where is the next

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staff coming from? Some are old, some are a little greener.

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I come at least once a week. If I'm off school then I try more.

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So, you have to go to school as well? Yes.

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Blimey. What do you want from it? It is a new experience, basically.

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We have about 300 volunteers on the books.

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We probably gain about another five a week. They are incredibly

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important. Partly because they are from our local community here and

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we would not survive in the area that we are in without the local

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community being a part of it. The thing that is good about this

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place is that the volunteers get as much benefits from the farm as the

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farm gets from the volunteers. You may say that they are all a bit

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like pigs in muck! He seemed to be really enjoying himself.

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There$$NEWLINE I am partial to a pig, I have to say. There is

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something very cute about them. We should say that Alan is the

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Breakfast presenter the Radio Bes wick.

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Before we go, we should say happy birthday Ranvir. You have been a

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