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Good evening. Welcome to North West Tonight with Gordon Burns and

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Dianne Oxbury. Our top story: The legacy of the looting - Police put

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on show hundreds of items stolen in the riots. It is really upsetting.

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Everybody in here, we treat this as our home. Now the huge task of

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trying to track down the rightful owners. The Hillsborough papers -

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Nick Clegg says the Government won't block the release of Cabinet

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documents from the time of the tragedy.

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A hole in one's story - the disablity benefits claimant, jailed

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after being caught playing golf. Reasons to be cheerful, the mother

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and daughter celebrating success in the GCSEs. I was aiming for a B-

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grade, I did not expect an A grade. That is brilliant. And making a

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rare appearance - the marsh harriers who've returned to

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Cheshire. And we're live in the centre of

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Manchester as a giant banner reveals just how much people love

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the city. The Co-op was going to put a big Isle of Man Chester

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Barnard down the side of the CIS Building but they have had a few

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problems. They have other problems, too. Today they described trading

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conditions as the worst in 40 years. More later.

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Police say the value of goods, stolen by looters during the riots

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in Manchester and Salford is likely to run into millions of pounds.

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2,000 items have been recovered by detectives so far.

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But they say that's just a fraction of the total number of things taken.

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And more stolen goods are being seized every day, as more arrests

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are made. Eleanor Moritz reports. The number of things stolen by the

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looters is overwhelming. So is the potential value. TVs, alcohol and

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designer clothes put on display by police in Salford today. But they

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say it's a tiny proportion of what was taken. Most of this stuff has

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been recovered directly as a result of arresting people, searching

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their houses and recovering it from their homes. That will continue.

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The jeans bear the Diesel brand, probably taken from this store, a

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high-end and high-profile target of the riots. We showed the footage of

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those jeans recovered by the police to the store manager today.

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whole shop floor was a mess. There would jeans all over the place.

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They lifted most of the stock that was laid out. It is really

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upsetting because everybody in here, we treat this as our Rhone home.

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Like other businesses, they will come the efforts being made by

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police to return the goods stolen. If it is in saleable condition, it

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will be greatly received a stop and you have had some stock back? Yes.

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110 pairs of Denham were recovered. -- pairs of jeans. Altogether they

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had nearly 500 pairs stolen. The shop finally had its windows

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reglazed today. Like other businesses, they welcome efforts

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being made by the police to return stolen goods to the businesses from

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which they were taken. Alongside the designer labels are those

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things which might be slightly less obvious targets for looters. Police

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say they expect stolen goods to be recovered for months to come. So

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far 310 people have been arrested in Manchester and Salford.

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Detectives are watching internet sites and other ways the looters

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may use to sell these things on. It's what Hillsborough campaigners

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have been pushing for - the release of all documents relating to the

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1989 disaster. And today the Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, told

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BBC North West Tonight that's what he wants too. An independent panel

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is currently sifting through the relevant papers. But people who've

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signed a petition demanding Cabinet papers are published sooner are

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likely to be disappointed. From Liverpool, our political editor,

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Arif Ansari. For families, friends and campaigners, the events of 1989

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still hold unanswered questions. An independent panel chaired by the

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Amglican Bishop of Liverpool is considering which documents should

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be released. Now the Government appears to be saying they all

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should. Do you hope that the independent panel agrees to the

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publication of every document that they are considering? Yes. Hour

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clear understanding is that is exactly what will happen. We need

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the full publication of all the evidence but let's first make sure

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that the information goes to the families and they can read and

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absorb it before the rest of us. More than 130,000 people have now

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signed a petition demanding the immediate publication of Cabinet

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documents. The Government is fighting that, saying the panel

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should decide. Some are disappointed, others see it as

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progress. It is fantastic news for the families. I think, without me

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trying to be political, this is a humanitarian issue, at least common

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sense has prevailed. So what's changed? It looks like people who

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signed the peririon are going to have to wait. THe independent panel

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will decide on the Cabinet papers when they report next year. But

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this is the first time the Government has said it hopes they

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publish everything. The Moors murderer, Ian Brady, will

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be questioned by police after allegedly assaulting a nurse at

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Ashworth High Security Hospital in Merseyside. Brady, who has been

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held at the hospital for the last 25 years, is accused of using a jug

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to threaten the nurse. Brady and his partner, Myra Hindley, were

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responsible for the murder of five children and teenagers in the 1960s.

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A 24-hour strike by First Transpennine Express, which was due

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to happen tomorrow, has been called off. Over 200 services were

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affected in yesterday's industrial action. The drivers walked out in a

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row over pay. �2 million worth of cocaine has

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been discovered at Manchester Airport among a shipment of

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vegetables. 65 kilos of the Class A drugs were found in the boxes which

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had arrived from the Dominican Republic. Three men from Oldham

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have been arrested and bailed. One of the region's biggest

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employers is warning of a bleak future for our economy. The chief

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executive of the Co-op says retailing conditions are the worst

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he has seen in 40 years. The Co-op employs 6000 people in Manchester

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alone. Stuart Flinders is in the city centre. How worried should

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those employees be? This is the question. We were

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hoping to show you a big banner on the side of the court building but

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apparently it has been a bit too gusty and they have not been able

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to do that. The message was partly an nod towards the riots of a

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couple of weeks ago but also a statement of the Co-op's commitment

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to the city and the region. There are big problems for the Co-op, too,

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in an economy that they describe as the worst for 40 years.

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Unfurling the I love Manchester banner turned out to be more

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difficult than they'd thought. It was supposed to be draped down

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the side of the giant CIS building early this afternoon. But then this

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isn't the organisation's only tough assignment right now. In the first

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six months of this year, underlying operating profits were down 10% to

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�275.1 million. The group's Chief Executive says retailing conditions

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are the worst he has seen in more than 40 years. The Co-op says it

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loves Manchester, but should its staff be worried? It is not just

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about a banner, it is about what we're doing for Manchester city

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centre itself. We have new headquarters been built that will

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house 3,500 people. The Co-op is trying to break into the

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supermarket front rank, taking over the Somerfield chain. They've

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teamed up with Thomas Cook to build their travel business. And they've

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expanded banking by taking over the Britannia Building Society. It is

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an important employer but because of the unique way they are funded

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they have to be profitable. They have not made losses, they have

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just come a little off of the peak they had in 2009. I think they have

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a robust plan to build for the future. Tge banner's temporary. The

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new headquarters, proof of a longer term commitment, opens in about a

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year's time. When the new headquarters opens next year we are

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told it will be the most environmentally friendly building

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in the UK. I thought that was supposed to be the BBC's at Salford

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Quays. We will not argue. They will have another go with the banner

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tomorrow. Hopefully it will be less windy.

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A benefit claimant who was meant to be in constant pain has been jailed

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after secret filming revealed he was playing golf three to four

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times a week. Petre Crowder was claiming Disability Allowance and

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other benefits and fraudulently claimed more than �120,000. Yunus

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Mulla reports. Petre Crowder was supposed to be in

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constant pain and was a man who could not climb stairs or have a

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bath on his own. This is what investigators discovered during

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secret filming in March of last year at the �1,000 a year Hurlston

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Hall Golf and Country Club in Lancashire, where he was a member.

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No apparent discomfort and he could easily play for hours on an 18-hole

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course. Today the former psychiatric nurse who retired

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because of what he claimed was rheumatoid and osteoarthritis

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arrived at court with a walking stick. At a previous hearing, Petre

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Crowder admitted he had failed to declare the change in his

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circumstances. Today the judge told him these were serious offences

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because he had taken money from the state that he was not entitled to.

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She said he knew what he was doing was wrong. At the Hurlston Hall

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Golf and Country Club, he had entered 49 different competitions

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and, between April 2009 and May 2010, swiped in 151 times. By

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October 2010, he had claimed around �20,000 in disability allowance and

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mobility and care payments. portrayed himself to be a very

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poorly man. He stumbled and use a walking stick full-time. Clearly,

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the video evidence showed us totally different. The 51 year-old

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has repaid the amount he fraudulently claimed but he had

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lost his good character and showed no integrity. Petre Crowder was

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sentenced to six months in prison. Still to come in North West

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Tonight: John Lennon's famous sleep-in protest gets a modern

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twist in Liverpool.And life after injury for the former Manchester

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City Captain Paul Lake. He's live in the studio.

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30 years ago Jane Alty collected her O-level Maths results from

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school. She scored a C. Not bad, but she always believed she could

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do better. And today came her chance to prove it. Jane sat her

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GCSE Maths paper this summer and went back to school this morning to

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discover how she fared. She was joined by her daughter, Heather,

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and a whole load of other teenagers who were picking up their results,

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too, as our chief reporter, David Guest, explains.

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GCSE results day at Our Lady's Catholic High in Fulwood. It's

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always an emotional roller-coaster. Parents are sometimes on hand to

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offer comfort or congratulations. But this mum and daughter were

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equally nervous as they arrived because they were both collecting

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results. Teenager Heather would discover how she'd feared in GCSE

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modules and mum Jane would collect her GCSE Maths results. She had

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studied with help from the school and an online programme called My

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Maths. The last time I opened a maths result was a grade C. I am

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hoping to achieve better than a C grade. I have an A grade. I did not

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expect that. That is brilliant, absolutely fantastic. What about

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you, Heather? I have got a grades. I got a distinction. I am pleased.

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All day grades and B grades. They weren't the only once celebrating

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here today. We were up to 51% for five GCSEs including English and

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maths. We have worked harder on our teaching and learning and raising

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standards overall and the pupils have responded really well to that.

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Some people say that their GCSEs are much easier than the old or

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Greg Mathis. What does someone with it is a ball think? The teaching is

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different now. The pressure is now going to be on heather for next

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year presumably? I hope she gets an A *. I would like to say well done

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to my niece. If and I would like to add my

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grotto -- my granddaughter in, who did exceptionally well.

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Where's the best place to stage a protest?

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From the comfort of your bed, of course. John Lennon taught us that

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in 1969, and the spirit of the bed- in is alive and well in Liverpool

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today. More than 100 turned out this afternoon to show their

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support for the Surestart centre at Dovedale Primary which is

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threatened with closure. Now, try to "imagine" who is supporting the

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campaign. Naomi Cornwell reports. OK, it might not be the real John

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Lennon but this is the real primary school that he attended. And today,

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many Johns in the making sure the spirit of resistance. Be sure if --

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the Sure Start centres here is one of many threatened by cuts, even

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though it is used by hundreds of children parents. They get support

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and they get to meet other parents. They are making friendships and

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networks outside the centre, which is bought -- which is what it is

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all about. The centre was opened less than a

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year ago by Yoko oh no, and today she sent a message of support.

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is very much in the spirit of me and John and our Rhone bed-in. --

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are drawn... Outside there was a peaceful march

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by parents worried about what they will do without the centre. It is

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on our doorstep and we need it open. It is very important because,

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financially, we cannot go out and get anything without paying for it.

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The consultation on the proposed closure will begin in September and

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parents will be able to give their point of view before the council

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makes a final decision. Manchester City appear to have that

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tougher draw the Manchester United in the Champions League. It is

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City's first time in the competition. Manchester United have

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Sir Alex Ferguson will be giving his reaction to that drop when he

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speaks to the BBC for the first time in seven years tomorrow. He

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has banned the BBC from his press conferences since 2004 but had that

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change of heart after discussions with the Director General.

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And he is very welcome to be interviewed on this programme any

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time. From Barcelona to Blackburn, it's certainly been a road less

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travelled for young midfielder Ruben Rochina. But, after scoring

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his first goals for Rovers, could the Spaniard help Steve Kean's men

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survive in the Premier League? Liam O'Donoghue reports on last night's

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Carling Cup action. Bought from Barcelona's B team,

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Ruben Rochina destroyed Sheffield Wednesday with two goals in the

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opening four minutes. Rovers manager Steve Kean praised his

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performance as exceptional. Kean's latest signing, David Goodwillie,

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latest signing, David Goodwillie, acquired from slightly less

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glamourous Dundee, hit the third as Rovers won for the first time this

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season. Everton also enjoyed their first victory. Richard Cresswell

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gave Sheffield United an early lead, but minutes later the same player

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equalised when he deflected Jack Rodwell's shot into his own goal.

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Victor Anichebe's first goal for 15 months put Everton ahead, and Mikel

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Arteta made it three after good work from 17-year-old wunderkind

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Ross Barkley, who has just been called into the England Under-21

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squad. Macclesfield took a shock lead at

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Bolton, but on his Wanderers debut, Turkish star Tuncay equalised with

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a superb volley. He also set up the winner for Bulgarian Martin Petrov.

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Liverpool won easily at Exeter, with goals from Luis Suarez, Maxi

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Rodriguez and Andy Carroll. We constantly hear about the

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astonishing amounts that Premier League footballers are played but

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we rarely hear about those who have to retire because of injury. Paul

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Kane has written a book about his incredible life. Let us talk about

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this book. I want to clear up the title. One reviewer said it was a

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terrace chant and another says it was a remark that a photographer

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made. It is the photographer. I was made. It is the photographer. I was

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having a picture taken and it was the 4th team picture and I was not

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going to be involved in. I was going to be anywhere but on the

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picture. I felt in my head, I am not really here. It fitted with the

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book totally. This book is all about how you had it all in front

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of you, you were captain of Manchester City, you were agape --

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a great player. We have one of your goals to show you. Predicted to be

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a captain of England and then, of a captain of England and then, of

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course, tragedy struck. I don't know whether you can bear to watch

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it but we have the final moments of your career. It was basically all

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over then, though there were a few more years when you try to get back.

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That is right. I struggled for two years to get fit. That injury

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happened after eight minutes and I was told I had a sprained knee,

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which sounds remarkable but that was what it supposedly was. I

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battled to get fit and spent over a year in a rehabilitation centre in

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Shropshire to get fit but it was not to be. The injury that you

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endured and the operations, how many? 15 in total. In the end, Your

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Career ended and you ended up depressed. How much -- how hard was

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it for a manly man in a man's game to admit you were suffering a

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mental illness. We would laugh and joke among the guys about the next

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week's game. I paid lip-service to them, be sick with. In my head

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under my heart I wanted to be anywhere else but there. One match-

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days it was so hard that I never watched the games. I could not look

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at the pitch any more. I had to watch on TV. That was how hard it

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got. It would take me all morning to get out of bed, build up the

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courage and concede a game. How did you come through in the end? Was

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then a moment we you thought, I have to do something? I was found

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by the police on a motorway bridge. I was not contemplating anything

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serious but I was watching the world go by and the police came

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along and said, are you OK, sir? It surprised me that they thought I

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was compelled -- contemplating suicide. I went to see my doctor

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and spent the next four or five and spent the next four or five

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months in the Priory. It all worked out in the end because you became a

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fully qualified physio. You're working at Manchester City, and

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what are timed to be working there. Incredible.

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We also hear you on BBC Radio Manchester. You have an infectious

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personality there. On the strength of the weather

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forecast I left my washing out. Was Do you know where you went to court

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I have one in the wardrobe. Hang on to it. Let us look at what

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is going to happen over the next two or three days. Low pressure is

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circling around the UK at the moment. Luckily for us, we're going

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to miss out on a lot of the heavy rain coming for Friday. Low

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pressure eases away by Saturday. Finer conditions on Sunday. The

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temperatures are very disappointing for the time of year. We may see

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lower temperatures than this in many places. Tomorrow morning will

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start off mostly dry and bright. Then heavy rain on the other side

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of the Pennines begins to come in our direction by mid-afternoon.

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Some showers at first then heavier spells of rain. This is what the

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temperatures look like for the bank holiday weekend. Gordon, do you

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know where you went to court is? I asked about the washing and she

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never answered it. That is an excellent weather presenter.

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Nobody would know better than you. Next, they are rarer than golden

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eagles and will only breed in the finest of environments. A pair of

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marsh harriers have returned to Cheshire to nest. They were first

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spotted last year before taking their three chicks to Africa for

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the winter. Now they're back and there are two new additions to the

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family, as Nina Warhurst reports Hidden in these reeds, two little

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chicks that make a big statement about Cheshire's natural

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environment because their parents are very fussy about where they

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breed their young. They will grow up to be marsh harriers like this.

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In 100 years of tracking the county's wildlife, it is the only

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The marsh harriers are vulnerable so the exact location of them has

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had to be kept top secret. The Wildlife Trust is adjusting this

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spot not just to attract more Harriers but all sorts of wildlife.

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Look at this - last winter the trust simply dug a hole here.

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Already these reeds are attracting dragonflies and frogs. It's the

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kind of work being done across 8000 hectares in Cheshire, and the

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harriers' decision to return is a sure sign it's paying off. Those

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chicks that will go up in a few weeks' time will be back here in a

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few years. That is our challenge - to create the space and the

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habitats for them to nest where they wanted. To come back on?

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exactly. -- to come back home? while we were there, another sign

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of the vitality of Cheshire's wildlife. It is really exciting to

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see a red kite. That is the first sighting in this part of Cheshire.

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The Trust says it's about pulling together pieces of the jigsaw. The

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more they adopt land like this, the more chicks like this will return

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to call our region home. They are pretty. And remarkable to

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see. And crypt -- congratulations on

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your debut on north-west Tonight. Sitting down for half an hour is

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