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Good evening. Welcome to North West Tonight. Our top story: Police say

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proving that those who died at Stepping Hill were killed may be

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impossible. By can assure people we will do everything we can to find

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out what happened. -- I can assure. The would be Facebook rioters are

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told their sentences will be upheld. And a tragedy waiting to happen.

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Cocklers are warned not to brave the sands after lifeboats sent to

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rescue vessels caught up in stormy And The Stone Roses come out of

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The man in charge of the investigation into the poisoning of

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three people at a Stockport hospital says they may never be

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able to charge anyone with murder. Tracey Arden, Arnold Lancaster and

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Alfred Weaver all died at Stepping Hill Hospital in the summer.

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Yesterday police confirmed that 17 people, including the three people

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who died, were poisoned by contaminated saline solution at the

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hospital and they are still looking into a further nine cases. Our

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health correspondent reports. It is the most complex of

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investigations. Huge in numbers and scale and complicated by

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painstaking medical and forensic detail. It is these three faces at

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the centre of this story. The deaths of Tracey Arden, Alfred

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Weaver and Arnold Lancaster are still being investigated. Police

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know they were given saline contaminated with insulin. But what

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they say they may never know is whether that caused or contributed

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to their deaths. When people are in hospital they have a variety of

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medical conditions. The difficulty is differentiating between was the

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cause of the deaths and illnesses and then breaking that down to see

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if there is any connection with the contamination. What if you cannot

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prove a link between saline and the deaths? That while that will

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preclude prosecution for homicide, what it will not preclude is

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prosecution for contamination offences. It was those sort of

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offences that nurse Rebecca Leighton was charged with back in

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July. But six weeks later all charges were dropped and Rebecca

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Leighton was released from prison. Do you regret arresting Rebecca

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Leighton so early? No, not at all, the arrest took

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place with the appropriate level of evidence. It is important that when

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an opportunity takes place you take steps because if it had progressed

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and Rebecca Leighton was the person responsible and she remains in the

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pool of people we are looking at because she is one of the 700

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people that we take the step to prevent any further harm.

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police investigation spans a six week period in a busy hospital. So

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far detectives have interviewed almost 500 people. And they have

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more than 1,600 exhibits or pieces of evidence to look at.

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You set your parameters as wide as possible to capture all the

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incidents that may have taken place all the people who had contact in

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that environment then we will start to funnel down to the individuals

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you have had more access more motive we will funnel that down and

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re-interview people and sift through that information again.

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It might be that we never get to that outcome that we are looking

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for but I can assure people we will do everything we can to make sure

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we do not miss the opportunities because the victims who have been

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contaminated deserve that justice. And getting there, he says could

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take months, even years. A very complex case and they have many

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experts working with them. Who are they? And also interestingly

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predict future behaviour of the person who has done this. They are

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also working with someone from the nursing and midwifery council They

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are helping the police make sense of the huge amount of medical notes

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and records they're having to go through. Then there is a

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toxicologist who we understand is one of the country's best. And of

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course a pathologist as well. Not only might these experts prove

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crucial in helping the police find out who has done this, it is the

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toxicologist and pathologist who hold the key to proving what effect

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the contaminated saline had on the three people who died.

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Two men from Cheshire who were jailed for inciting disorder on

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Facebook during the summer riots have had their appeals rejected.

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The Court of Appeal also dismissed the appeals of three other men

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jailed for burglary offences. But the judge did halve the sentences

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of another three. Today legal reform groups said too much

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emphasis was being put on the need to give out deterrent sentences.

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August 8th this year, and riots were flaring up across the UK.

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Jordan Blackshaw was at home in Northwich. That night, he created a

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face that page that urged people to meet here, behind the McDonald's,

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at 1 o'clock the and the next day. He added a message of encouragement.

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Meanwhile, in Warrington, Perry John Sutcliffe created a Facebook

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page called Warrington Riots, naming a time and place people

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should meet. Both pages were intercepted by police. No disorder

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occurred as a result. Both men received four year

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sentences which they appealed. had hoped that although he did not

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expect it to be reduced to a non- custodial sentence that it would be

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reduced. But in Northwich today, the scene of one of the would be

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riots, few had any sympathy for Blackshaw or Sutcliffe. There was

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no need for an attempt to start a riot. I would definitely jailed

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them. Six others from the North West jailed at Manchester Crown

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Court during the riots also appealed against their sentences

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last month Hassan Halloway, Enrico Vanasco and Michael Gillespie-

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Doyle were all jailed for burglary offences. Lawyers argued their

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sentences were manifestly excessive. Today their appeals too were

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dismissed. But in the cases of three other men

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jailed for handling offences, the Court of Appeal today halved their

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The concern we have is that by demonstrating the need for

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deterrence that the Court of Appeal is taking the wrong approach. The

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evidence suggests that deterrent affecting in sentencing is minimal

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at best and it is unlikely to deter future people from committing

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crimes. There is a mini goldrush on the

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Lancashire coast at the moment. Hundreds of fishermen gather every

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day to dig out cockles from a newly opened bed near Lytham. But, seven

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years on from the Morecambe Bay disaster, there are fears there

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could be another tragedy. Fisheries chiefs in the region say

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inexperienced fishermen in unsafe boats are putting themselves and

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others at risk. Last night lifeboats were called for the fifth

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time in a few weeks. Let's join our reporter.

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Just behind me is a cockle bed that was only opened at the beginning of

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next month and is said to contain 2000 tonnes of its valuable copper

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just there for the taking. There are no shortage -- there is no

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shortage of takers but some of those who are trying to take the

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cockles have been risking their lives.

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There is no shortage of those keen to harvest this lucrative crop.

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This is not surprising when you consider that they have been

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getting up to �1,200 per tonne for the cockles gathered here. But some

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people are putting their lives at risk in trying to reap the harvest.

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The tides here are treacherous and unforgiving of the unwary. Life

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boats have been launched half a dozen times in the last three weeks

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to save people who have gotten in trouble. The last incident was just

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yesterday. The engine was not working on the boat and they had no

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way to communicate. They were not properly equipped for the

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conditions out there. He should have a means of communications at

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the very least a mobile phone were radio. A local fisherman says that

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many of those arriving here do not have enough experience. Some of the

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lads have been coming across from the Southport side and it is a long

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way back if the weather changes. I fear those men could be in trouble.

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Wouldn't you have thought that people would have learned from the

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disaster? People have very short memories. They will take risks.

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They lifeboat crew hope that people will take notice of the warnings to

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avoid further call-outs. Perhaps, even, a major tragedy.

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There was a meeting today to discuss the situation. The Health

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and Safety Executive was looking into making sure that these vessels

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are seaworthy and are not unreliable. They want to prevent a

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disaster like the one at Morecambe Bay from happening again. A former

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star of the soap opera Brookside allegedly lured a man to his debt

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according to a chord. He is accused of ferrying a nightclub bar man to

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a shooting. Continuing strong winds have been

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causing disruption in Cumbria. Railway lines between Barrow and

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Grange over Sands were closed overnight after trees were blown

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onto the line. In Barrow a wall collapsed onto three cars and a van,

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with initial fears someone could have been trapped. We will have a

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full weather forecast coming up shortly.

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Celebrations took place at BAE Systems in Warton today to mark the

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Tornado jet clocking up a million flying hours. BAE workers in

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started, have played a key role in the RAF's Tornado programme. The

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House of Commons has been the scene of many historic moments, but there

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can not have been few occasions that the House of Commons was as

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emotional as it was during the Hillsborough debate. In a moment we

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will hear from someone who was at the game at the time but now we

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will hear a flavour of the speeches which underline how upsetting it

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was for the families and politicians. The tragic nature of

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their debts was exasperated -- exasperated by what happened next.

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A co-ordinated campaign began to shift the blame and look for

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scapegoats. I was sat in our front room with my dad and I can still

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see the look on his face now. He knew what was happening. Football

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fans all over Britain near. They were watching on TV, listening on

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radios, thousands and thousands were gripped with horror as the

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bodies were pulled out. I remember simply going back to the box and

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sitting there with directors and crying. What else can you do? This

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was a disaster in my football ground. 96 people died before our

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eyes. Parliament has never recorded their names in Hansard for

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posterity but they can at least put one wrong right today. Alfred

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Anderson, 62. Coral Ashcroft, 19. James Aspinall, 18. Mark his ball,

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One of the key people in the debate was the MP for Liverpool Walton,

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Steve Rotheram. He has been a powerful campaigner for full

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disclosure of all documents relating to Hillsborough. A little

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earlier I asked him for his reaction to last night's events.

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Was one of last night was one of those occasions that will -- last

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night was one of those occasions that will put forward the case for

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the truth. Theresa May is the Home Secretary of responsible for that

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and she has agreed to release all of the documentation related to

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A I you confident that means the battle for the truth is all but

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one? Certainly, we know that this is the end of this particular

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chapter and the independent panel report, hopefully in May or June

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next year, will be the truth as far as anybody can pull together an

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accurate picture now that this suite of documents will be released.

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This has been a personal crusade for you and started back in 1989,

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you were a supporter at Hillsborough all that day. I was,

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one of the lucky ones. I had swapped my ticket and was in the

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stand behind that end and watched as young children were dragged from

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the terrace, some of them not surviving. And the names of all 96

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who died were read out by you last night, an unusual thing to happen.

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Why did you feel that was so important? It was one of those

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decisions that I agonised over, I have wanted to make certain I did

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justice to the families. I was not certain that a House of Commons and

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the Chamber was the appropriate forum to read out all 96 lives, but

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I decided on Sunday night that I thought it would be a poignant

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tribute and that is why I did it. I think most people respected that.

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It is 22 years now. Does it live with you every day? Yes. Not to the

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extent that the 96 families up to. It was not just the deaths of their

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loved ones, but it cover up by the establishment and anger pipa --

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anger felt try to get sued and justice -- truth and justice.

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you. Still to come tonight... United and

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City fight for their first wins in the Champions League. We are live

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at Eastlands. And surely every Liverpool fan's

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schoolboy dream. Steven Gerrard and Kenny Dalglish play themselves on

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More about that later. It is less than a year to the Olympics. But if

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they are taking place in London, why should we in the North West

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care? In the first of a series of reports, former swimmer, Steve

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Parry, has been speaking to those closest to him, and the cycling

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legend, to gauge opinion. We all know what the Olympics look

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like, what the Olympics sound like. But what will be Games you like to

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us in the North West? -- what will be Games feel like? Chris Boardman

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should know, a gold medal whose -- a gold medallist who has been at

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every games since 1988. We it is such an incredible brand. People

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know what Olympic gold medal means. It penetrates the whole world. For

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the first time, it will be outside your door. Not everyone is into

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sport. Take by parents, who would have no idea what is happening in

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football, Formula One or Rugby. But after watching the in Sydney, the

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Olympics are different. It brings people together. It has to be. It

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is so exciting. You get caught up in it. I think people are very slow

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to start with, but has momentum increases, the enjoy it. Chris has

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had critics in all sevens -- all seven of his Games, but feels the

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feel-good factor of Olympics will bring us over. In it involves

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people than ever before. You have a personal investment. It is a memory

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people will keep forever. Canada hosted the Olympic Games in 2010,

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and so be sure that 96% of the 35 million population rated the games

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as good for the country. If my mother gets her way, their approval

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rate for London will be back her. We will be running around the

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garden. Gardner Olympics? But we do. I give them a medal.

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No wonder he is so nice, with lovely parents. The gardener

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Olympics, about my level. Did you get tickets? I didn't. Did you?

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did not. Moving on to football. It is a huge

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night in the Champions' League. Manchester City and Manchester

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United are both desperate to get their first wins in the competition

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tonight. United are in Romania for their third match in Group C. In

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Group B, Manchester City host Spanish side Villareal at the

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Etihad Stadium. That is where we can now join Ian Haslam.

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A massive sense of anticipation here. Already that unique

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atmosphere building. I am told by Manchester City this game is not a

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sell-out, although they are expecting it to be fairly full.

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Kick-off is at 7:45pm, as it is in Romania were Manchester United are

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also in action. Sir Alex Ferguson and Roberto Mancini spoke last

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night. We hear from both men now. City might be topping the Premier

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League table. But so far, it has been a different story in Europe. A

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draw and a defeat means they have yet tomade their mark in the

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competition. Naive is a word that has been levelled at them. I think

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we need to learn, because it is the second game we have played in the

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Champions' League. But I think we need only one victory. Mancini's

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side are five points behind group A leaders Bayern Munich. And three

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behind Napoli in second. A City victory could change everything.

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need all our supporters. It will be very important. We have a chance, I

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think. Manchester United are up against Romanian champions Otelul

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Galati. Their entire squad cost less than Wayne Rooney's monthly

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wage packet. And their home ground does not meet UEFA standards.

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Tonight's game takes place at Bucharest's national arena.

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We have to progress, are without question. We have a good idea how

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to play the game tomorrow. A win could be enough to move so Alex

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Ferguson's side top of Group C, ahead of Sunday's Manchester derby.

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If post Champions' League fatigue is to be an issue in the Premier

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League, it will be the same for both sides. City are in the same

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position anyway. Fitness wise, they should not have a problem in terms

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of recovery. Whatever team I pick tomorrow, a lot will play on Sunday.

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United's opponents are nicknamed the steelworkers. They might just

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change that to the miracle workers if they get a result tonight.

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Excitement is building behind us. Real optimism that Manchester

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United get a first ever victory. You can listen on BBC Radio

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Manchester and we have reviews of all matches from 6:30pm tomorrow.

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Thank you. City hoping to win the Champions' League for the first

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time. A new film, set around Liverpool's 2005 Champions League

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final against AC Milan, premiered at the weekend, as Tinseltown came

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to Merseyside. Manager Kenny Dalglish appears in Will, about a

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boy who runs a way to Istanbul to watch the game. Steven Gerrard and

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Jamie Carragher also make an appearance. But did they make it to

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the red carpet? Dozens lining the red carpet, not

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for Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt, but because Kenny Dalglish was on his

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way. We might not be in Los Angeles, but anyone who remembers the 2005

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Champions League final, it is the sort of story Hollywood films are

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made of. The Champions League final! Will

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follows the story of a young boy desperate to be part of the magic

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in is that bill. -- Istanbul. That Liverpool comeback was the perfect

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match to reflect his of -- reflect his adventure and not bad for one

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Liverpool fan. Today is a massive. The experience of making the film

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was amazing. But it watching football is -- watching footballers

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acting is not your thing, look away now. Well, is that you? Kenny

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Dalglish! A 01, that is the way now. Making it look easy, but how does

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standing in front of a camera compare with that and she --

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compare with the touchline? One way his comfort zone, and it is

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something else. It was good fun. The people I've worked with were

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good. The ease Liverpool fans and probably most Hollywood producers

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will be pleased to know that any will not give up his day job just

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yet. I think he is loving his new

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starring role. He is, isn't he? for a well-told story. Once you

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were great friends. But you fell out in a big way. Years later,

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there is a chance of getting back together. What do you do?

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Manchester band, The Stone Roses, have announced their reunion. But

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15 years after falling apart, can it ever be the same?

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Manchester! 1989. The Empress Ballroom,

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Blackpool. Three months after their debut album, The Stone Roses have

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arrived. Seven years later, they have gone. An acrimonious break-up

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makes today's announcement a bit of a surprise. The band is getting

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back together for shows in Manchester's Heaton Park next

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summer before hitting the road. much new stuff can we expect?

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how can they forget all the bitterness that forced them apart

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in the first place? And let us face it, they are not the first to

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break-up and make-up. It is never the band that used to be, so there

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is massive nostalgia and let us satisfy the bank manager. Cream did

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a reunion in 2005 at the Royal Albert Hall. It -- these weird beat

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-- you cannot quite recapture it. We have all tried to go back. How

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many are buyers do not want to see class mates again? Years later, we

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cannot wait to get back to this school reunion. Pupils from

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Withington Girls School in the Seventies reunited this summer.

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Aren't there are people you do not want to see again? Those sort of

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things tend to fade away. We have not had any arguments and yet.

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now, all is sweetness and light with The Stone Roses. The plan is

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to take on the world. Let's hope they do not end up taking on each

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other. I would not count on it. I think

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the bank manager is smiling. Brings back memories. Nothing wrong with

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The weather has been extremely windy. Even central Manchester had

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winds of 45 miles an hour and showers piling in all the way

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through. A similar story through the night and parts of tomorrow.

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Showers coming in right the way through the North West. Fairly

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widespread up until about midnight, places inland then becoming drier

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and clearer. And pretty low temperatures. Along the coast,

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where the showers keep on coming, around six or seven. Cool Abbey we

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are waking up tomorrow. Tomorrow or was a complete North-South divide.

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The North part of the region seeing the best weather. A cloudy start

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for all of us, and a showery start. Showers dying away from parts of

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Cumbria, Lancashire. Further south, into parts of Merseyside and

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Greater Manchester, showers keep on coming. All cheering up towards

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teatime and temperatures 10 Celsius. As queues as cities. -- as good as

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it is. Come back for a reunion. We due at they go to a school reunion?

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