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Good evening. Welcome to North West Tonight with Roger Johnson - and

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Annabel Tiffin. Our top story - as the owners of one dead horse say

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they won't be back, we ask what the future holds for the Grand National

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at Aintree. Why are our horses injured in the Grand National and

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can more be done to save them? I will be finding out. Can one of our

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most historic sporting spectacles survive? Also in the programme, the

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quest for a cure for Parkinson's, as four local hospitals take part

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in ground breaking research. The half a million pound Olympic

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artwork which should be lighting up Yes! The ecstasy and the agony as

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Liverpool pip Everton to a place in the Cup final. Absolutely a but the

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moon. I am gutted but we will take it on the gym. -- chin. And another

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fine mess. The new film lifting the lid on the early years of one of

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Good evening. The future of one of the region's big events is under

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renewed scrutiny tonight, after two horses died at the Grand National.

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One animal rights campaigner says the race should be banned. Major

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changes were made to the course before this year's National to make

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it safer. Now there's pressure to make yet more modifications to the

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world's greatest race. Stuart Flinders is at a centre for the

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treatment of former racehorses. This is the Thoroughbred

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Rehabilitation Centre just outside Lancaster. In a moment I'll be

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hearing whether more could be done to save horses injured in the big

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race. But first, calls for the Grand National to be made safer or

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There is life after racing. Here, thoroughbreads are patched up and

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prepared for a new world of the showjumping arena and the riding

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club. Injuries are one thing. But in front of millions of TV viewers

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on Saturday, two horses, According to Pete and Synchronised, died in

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the Grand National. The owners of According to Pete are clearly

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deeply upset. We wish that we still had him. We do! We will be gutted.

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There will never be another one like him. When you enter a horse

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again into the Grand National? not think I would, Rivett. It is

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too much. They were good horses. They had to be put down. Both

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horses fell at Bechers Brook. The drop on the landing side was

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reduced by four inches for this year's race, one of a number of

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changes made to protect horses. we have reduced it. We will see how

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the horses cope. It would appear they still have difficulty.

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pressure for more changes is on. But only an end to the National

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itself will satisfy one campaigner from Southport. The Grand National

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can never be made safe. The course will either run faster and land

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with more force or if you reduce the field, they will still charge

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along as fast as they can. There is only one way to deal with it and

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that is to ban it. Opinion in Liverpool today was mixed. It is

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part of Liverpool. It provides a lot of revenue and a lot of people

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look forward to it. We should look at the safety aspect. We have got

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about 40 horses running and it is organised chaos. We have to think

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about setting off on the race and I think it was a disgrace. In a

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statement, Aintree regretted the deaths and promised to look at ways

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This is a former racehorse and trainer. Why can they not be

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treated? Sometimes the injuries are very challenging. A broken leg can

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be like a threatening. They cannot be -- life threatening. They cannot

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be treated like you and me. But it is not simply about money?

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Absolutely not. A broken leg, the severity will be life ending.

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fair to put them through the Grand National? Organisers say that we

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will always have a brisk but is it worth the risk? It is a high risk

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sport. The industry are trying to make it safer for horses. Any

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amendment and any issues that they are dealing with with the Grand

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National can only be a good thing. How do we make it safer? We have

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heard a report saying that you cannot and it should be scrapped.

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We have to look at the number of horses starting the race. We have

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got about 40. We should perhaps reduce the number racing. Tell us a

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bit about this horse. He came to us in January from a syndicate. He

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raced 49 times. He won �59,000 worth of winning. And the future?

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We are going to work with him and find him a home as a nice, retired

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Thank you for your comments about this story. We hope to read some of

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Next, Parkinson's disease affects almost 130,000 people across the

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country. Symptoms including uncontrollable tremors, and

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difficulty moving, can make life a struggle for its sufferers. Now,

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four hospitals in the North West will play a major part in the

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biggest ever study into the disease. By tracking thousands of patients,

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experts hope to find better He has been living with Parkinson's

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disease for three years and has accepted the tremors, mood-swings

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and speech problems and at 26, he is understands what the future

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holds. I understand it is progressive. But you keep battling

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every day. Parkinson's UK is hoping to attract 3,000 sufferers and

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analyse blood changes and symptoms in a period of three years. It is

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understood that it is caused when nerve cells are killed off in the

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brain, leading to nervous system problems. But what is not known his

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wife. They are hoping to attract the system and identified markers,

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tides of protein which can help them identify Parkinson's disease

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earlier and give a better idea of how treatments are working.

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think this study will enable us to generate treatments and improved

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treatments for fighting disease in the next few years and ultimately

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identify a way of curing the condition in future. In the North

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West, specialist centres in these areas will collect vital

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information. It would be a lot better if we could find a cure are

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obviously and I could get back to work. I would like to be walking.

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It would improve their lifestyle and make it a lot better. Anybody

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that has developed symptoms in the next -- in the past few years are

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urged to come forward to take part in the study and make an enormous

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Bolton Wanderers footballer Fabrice Muamba has been discharged from

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hospital - less than a month after he suffered a cardiac arrest. The

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midfielder, who collapsed during an FA Cup tie against Tottenham in

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March, left The London Chest Hospital today. He will now be

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treated at a hospital in the north west. A man from Manchester accused

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of conspiring to murder soul singer Joss Stone will undergo mental

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health tests to see if he is fit to stand trial. 31 year-old Junior

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Bradshaw has been moved to a psychiatric unit in the north west.

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He is charged with conspiracy to murder, Rob and commit GBH. It is

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that time again. Campaigning has started for the local elections

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next fortnight. They have been taking place across much of the

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region and hundreds of councils have been contested. We have got an

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overdue. Councils are responsible for local services, road Services,

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bin collecting and social services. 26 out of 37 councils are holding

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elections. Labour controls the most at 16. The Tories, two Andy Liberal

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Democrats, just one. Seven are under no overall control. These are

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the important ones, no overall control. These Labour Party in

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particular thinks they can take some of them. Places like Burnley,

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surely, Pendle and Rossendale. These places might be very

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important by Mayfair. Last year, Labour victory nine councils and be

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able to focus on four targets, Pendle, Burnley, Chorley and

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Rossendale. The Conservatives lost four last year and this time they

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will be defending West Lancashire and Trafford. Labour control more

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than half the councils being contested. If they do equally well

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this year, they could get up to two-thirds. That is the extent of

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their dominance in the North West. For the Conservatives it is about

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to fence, hanging on to West Lancashire and Trafford. -- defence.

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What about the Liberal Democrats? 8 lost one-third of their seats after

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a disastrous performance. They have just one council, South Lakes. But

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they are strong in Burnley and Stockport. Armageddon for them at

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the last local elections and this is damage limitation. They lost 100

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councils in the North West and they are hoping to cut these losses.

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They might recapture Stockport but is unlikely. The North West forget

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their first elected city Mayor in Liverpool and Salford and

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Manchester hold a referendum to decide if they want one as well.

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The deadline is when state. We have a guide available online. -- the

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Debt Line ease when state. Registering is the only way to

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avoid disappointment. -- the Debt Line is on Wednesday. -- the limit

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is on Wednesday it. Coming up, spotting the big time will stop the

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local child --. The local child had legend. It was found to be very

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interesting with lots of colourful I absolutely love Stan Laurel! It's

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costing half a million pounds of public money and was supposed to be

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Birkenhead's landmark art commission to celebrate the

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Olympics, but more than four months after it should have been

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flickering in the sky, it's still not there. From December, a

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spinning column of cloud should have been seen over the Wirral

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waterfront as part of the Cultural Olympiad. But as Ian Haslam now

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reports, it might not even be installed in time for the Olympic

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Torch relay next month. A spectacular art installation

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projecting a spiral of steam into the sky that can be seen from 60

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miles away. At least, that is the idea. The reality is different.

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money could be going towards something that we need. Other

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things in the region need the money. This was supposed to be a compiling

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location, but the Civil Aviation Authority needs to test whether the

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installation would be a danger to planes. It is really exciting and

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will push forward our economic development. This delay is damaging

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to that. The Olympics has been a success in terms of delivering on

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time, but not this part farce on the Wirral. We tried to get answers

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from representatives on those behind the project. We were simply

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Local campaigners say this is not good enough. It is going ahead when

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there are cuts across the board. Obviously the tax payer and needs

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to see some return in a meaningful way for whatever investment is

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taken forward. If it does happen, then I am sure it will be very

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successful. The argument then would be perhaps that it ought to be not

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just a temporary installation but something that his continued for a

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more meaningful period of time. Which has happened with another

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waterside artwork on Merseyside, Antony Gormley's Another Place. It

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is not unusual for artistic projects of this scale to take time

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to develop, but the council so they are confident that the final stages

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of planning permission will be complete in the next couple of

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weeks. Watch this space! Tony is here with

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the sport, and there is lots to get through. Sir Alex Ferguson now

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admits Ashley Young was looking for a penalty when he took a theatrical

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fall during yesterday's 4-0 win over Aston Villa.

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Yes, that's right. Sir Alex was Sir Alex was adamant that it was a

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penalty, but he did say that Young "overdid it" when United were

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awarded that controversial penalty at Old Trafford yesterday. Last

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week Young was accused of diving to win a penalty during United's

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victory at QPR. Now look what happened just seven minutes into

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yesterday's game. Young makes contact with the left foot of Villa

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defender Ciaran Clarke and appears to throw himself to the ground.

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Rooney tucked away the penalty, but many people have accused Young of

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diving. Let's hear the reaction of Sir Alex. He actually went down

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quite easily, but defenders pay the price, and it was a penalty.

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Despite all that, United are again five points clear of Manchester

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City. And you could be forgiven for thinking the title race is over.

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Well, City manager Roberto Mancini says it is. But Carlos Tevez

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disagrees. Disagreeing with his manager again! He says of course

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City can win the title if they put pressure on United. Tevez scored a

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brilliant hat-trick in the 6-1 win at Norwich on Saturday. This was

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the best of the three, an unstoppable shot with an incredible

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swerve. As he completed his hat- trick, Tevez celebrated with a

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cheeky reference to the months he spent playing golf in Argentinia

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while refusing to play for City. After the game he gave a TV

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interview for the first time since his return. For the people, for the

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club, for the fans, for my colleagues, for Roberto, for me, we

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all went through some difficult times, but it is very important,

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that is where celebrated the where did, because I have my feet on the

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floor. After edging city neighbours

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Everton in their big FA Cup semifinal, Liverpool captain Steven

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Gerrard says his team now need to go on and win the competition.

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Kenny Dalglish's side of course already have the Carling Cup in the

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Anfield trophy cabinet. The Reds beat the Blues 2-1 on Saturday to

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set up a final against Chelsea next month. Richard Askam was at Wembley

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to see the highs and lows of an emotional afternoon.

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This was one Wembley triumph where there was no silverware to show off,

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but for many rains, it felt even better. I thought we would get beat

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today. Getting there! Before the match, the feeling was largely

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good-humoured, although with bragging rights at stake, both sets

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of fans had everything crossed that it would be their day. Scary.

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are a red and a blow, and you are married. What will it be like

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today? We might not be speaking. But for the Blues, defeat was

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particularly hard to take. I am gutted, but you just take it on the

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chin. Liverpool's equaliser came from mistake from a normally

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reliable team. The much-criticised Andy Carroll got the crucial goal.

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He missed a golden chance earlier on, that got this reaction. But he

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nodded in the winner, his 8th of the season. After one of the most

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anticipated Merseyside derbies in years, Everton are still waiting

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for that first trophy, but these Liverpool supporters will be back

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showing that once again, when it comes to the cup competitions, they

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have the winning knack. That gentleman might have to set

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off a bit early for the final! There will be a reduced train

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service from Virgin trains on the line Street to Euston services for

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the final. Three trains will leave before eight in the morning, and

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other trains will leave from Crewe, Chester and Manchester. So make

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sure you sort out your travel plans. Now, Wigan manager Roberto Martinez

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says his side can beat Arsenal at the Emirates tonight to move

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further away from the relegation zone. He says his team been lifted

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by recent wins against Manchester United and Liverpool. Regular

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updates on BBC Radio Manchester. Now to the country's newest

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football league club. Fleetwood have finally made it over the

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finishing line after nearest rivals Wrexham could only draw on Saturday.

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The promotion to League Two marks the latest step in a meteoric rise

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through the football pyramid. Stuart Pollitt reports.

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Today it's every inch the modern stadium, fit for the football

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league. But 15 years ago Fleetwood's ground, like the club

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itself, was on its knees - vandalised, with knee-high grass.

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In 2003 wealthy businessman Andy Pilley stepped in and spent big.

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Five promotions in seven years has followed. It is an unbelievable

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feeling. There is not many people in life whose big dream came true,

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and it has always been my big dream that I could eventually get them to

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the League. I know you don't like putting a figure on it, but his �10

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million miles away? Probably not miles away, no. It has been an

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expensive hobby. The years, this was the main reason for visitors to

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come to Fleetwood. But they are hoping now that the increased

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profile of the town's football team will attract even more visitors to

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the seaside town. There are plenty of spin-offs in all sorts of

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directions, employment and so on, and it is good for the town. He it

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is the biggest thing that has happened for a long time in

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Fleetwood. Brilliant for the town. It just seems to be really good at

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the moment. It the message from those in charge at Fleetwood is

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that they want to march a further still up the football ladder.

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Talking of the coast, Blackpool's Keith Southern and the former Bury,

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Burnley and Blackpool boss Stan Ternent are the studio guests

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tonight as Late Kick Off returns to BBC One at five past eleven. We've

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got reports from Rochdale and Preston as our guest reporter Andy

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Ritchie went along to Deepdale to take at look at how the Graham

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Westley era there is developing. We have tried to deal with the

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issues and get ourselves together, and you can see where we are at. We

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have put in a solid display against a side. We are progressing, we are

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not at the level where want to be at, but it is coming.

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Rugby League, and the draw for the fifth round of the Challenge Cup

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has thrown up some crackers. Warrington Wolves host Bradford.

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Salford also have an all-Super- League tie against Leeds. The

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holders Wigan travel to Featherstone, St Helens to Oldham.

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Swinton are drawn at Super League leaders Huddersfield and Leigh take

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on Halifax. Finally, congratulations to the

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four North West players nominated for the PFA's player of the year

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award. Three of them are from Manchester City - Sergio Aguerro,

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Joe Hart and David Silva. Wayne Rooney will be fighting United's

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corner. We shall see! Thank you, Tony. I bet you are a Laurel and

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Hardy fan. I love them. There have been many documentaries

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and books about the life of Stan Laurel, half of one of the biggest

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screen double acts alongside Oliver Hardy. But few if any have focussed

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upon Laurel's life growing up in the Cumbrian town of Ulverston. The

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producers of Stan's Childhood say that's a fine mess. And they want

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to put it right, as Mark Edwardson Laurel and Hardy never failed to

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bring the house down. Stan's Childhood looks at a lesser-known

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part of Laurel's life. He was quite a sickly child, and that is why his

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grandparents brought him up, because he was born in their house,

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and a lot of people thought he had been bought up in Bishop Auckland,

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but he hadn't, because he couldn't travel. Largely shot in and around

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Ulverston, scenes recreate a town familiar to the young Stan Laurel.

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The producers say it's a faithful portrayal - a playful young Stan

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with a skill for slapstick with many of the mannerisms that made

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him a Hollywood star. One of the scenes when he is with grande

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marque, he is pulling faces in the window and doing the iconic things

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with his hair, just little things like that but you can see. Here is

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another nice mess you've gotten me into! A lot of research went into

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it. It was found to be very interesting, and turned up a lot of

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colourful characters, as is shown in the film. The producers and most

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of the cast are from Wigan, and over the next few weeks its

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premiere will be held there. Another nice mess you have gotten

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me into! Mark Edwardson, BBC North West

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Tonight. A lot of people may disagree, but I

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think it's a boy thing. OK, to the Good evening. It has been fairly

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sunny through this morning and into this evening, but it is all about

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change. This week will be unsettled with a lot of rain. That is all

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courtesy of this area of low pressure dancing around above my

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head. It is going to bring that heavy rain tonight into tomorrow.

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It sticks with us for Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Look at how

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the temperatures don't respond! 11 or 12 Celsius if we are lucky

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through the week, but I think most temperatures will stay in single

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figures. The cloud is already building. It is heavy and

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persistent overnight, bring very strong wind. The temperatures

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underneath the rain will stay well above freezing. That is good for

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our plants. Tomorrow, plenty of this. He will be needing cure our

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umbrellas. The breeze will continue to drive in showers. Lots of cloud

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around. You can see the strong wind driving the showers through, the

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April showers. In between, you will see some sunshine. Disappointing

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temperatures, eight or nine for most of the region. Then look at

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Wednesday. You can see it is not particularly warm, more showers.

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Thursday and Friday, a bit of a washout. Sunshine and showers for

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most of this week, so I hope you Thanks for all your comments on

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whether the Grand National should be banned, and opinions really are

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divided. Sandra Fisher e-mailed in Donal and Eileen Morrissey from

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On Facebook, Marcus Kingsley-Scott Also on Facebook, Nigel Greensitt

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