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Welcome to BBC Points West, with Alex Lovell and David Garmston.

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Reaction in Somerset, as Alexander Blackman

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has his conviction downgraded to manslaughter.

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In the heat of battle, things happen that shouldn't happen, that doesn't

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excuse it. I still feel he should never have been charge when you

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think of all these other people killing one another.

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A film-maker who was embedded with the Marines says there's a thin

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line between a court martial and a military cross.

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Police think four men could have important information.

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How people with disabilities are finding themselves shut out.

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And we saddle up with Lizzie Kelly, as she prepares for

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Alexander Blackman, from Somerset - the first British soldier to be

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found guilty of a battlefield murder in modern times - has

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The news was beamed across the UK as, outside the court in London,

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Also in the tens of thousands of supporters, especially from the

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Royal Marines family, who have stood behind us throughout to have played

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such an important role in getting us to this point. Thank you.

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Alexander Blackman, who was known as Marine A,

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is now awaiting a new sentence, after five judges agreed

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he was mentally impaired at the time of the killing.

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Our Somerset correspondent, Clinton Rogers, reports

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Clinton. Alex, thank you very much indeed.

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This is a Royal Marines town, 40 commando based around the corner. So

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it is not surprising that most of the people we have spoken to today

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have welcomed this judgment. Not everyone, we have also spoken to a

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former Royal Marines commander who said that Alexander Blackman had to

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be prosecuted for what he did. More on that in a minute. Notwithstanding

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the day's judgments, Blackman will not walk out of prison tonight,

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there needs to be a new hearing and a new sentence for his new

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collection of manslaughter. But today, at least, the Blackman

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supporters are celebrating. In Taunton - a Royal Marines town -

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you don't have to look far to find people flying the flag for Alexander

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Blackman. Well, that's better than it was,

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but I still feel that he should After all, he was fighting

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for his country, and things Yet there are those who believe

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Alexander Blackman had to be held Well, it was right

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that he was prosecuted. That sort of action has

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to be investigated. Simon Hollington was

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a Royal Marine for 24 years, Today, he told me Alexander Blackman

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had crossed the line of what was acceptable

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on the battlefield. I can understand how

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he did what he did. Otherwise, we are

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reduced to savages. What do you say, though,

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to the argument that what goes on on the battlefield should stay

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on the battlefield? If somebody breaks the law,

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and it is the law, then Sergeant Blackman is currently

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in Erlestone Prison, in Wiltshire, having served more

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than three years and any year Now, this all dates

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back to September 2011, when he was serving

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in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, when he shot dead a seriously

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injured Taliban fighter His actions captured

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on helmet camera. Legally, we can only

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play you the sound. But his prosecution

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prompted protests. This one, on the streets

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of Westminster. And in Parliament today,

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the local MP welcomed And will the Prime Minister agree

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with me that within the correct legal framework, those

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who defend our peace, protect our world from evil,

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be treated with fairness And another MP, a former soldier,

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said the right outcome had It was always my view that whilst

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Sergeant Blackman had behaved in the most despicable way,

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what he was guilty He was mentally ill

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when he did what he did. He had not been looked

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after by his chain of command. He had seen things that

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would have snapped the will And what he did was awful -

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truly, truly awful - but it wasn't murder,

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it was manslaughter. So murder has now formally

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become manslaughter, but the debate over the rights

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and wrongs of the shooting and the prosecution which followed

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it hasn't gone away. Well, the reporter, Chris Terrill,

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has met Alexander Blackman He was also embedded

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with the former Marines unit He has spoken to some of the men

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who were with Blackman on that day, for a special edition of Panorama

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which airs tonight. Would you think that what happened

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that day was the only time that And the same in every other

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conflict, where there I think it's just another day

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in Afghanistan and... And none of us got hurt,

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so it was a successful day, Chris Terrill joins

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us now from London. Thank you for coming on the

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programme. Just reminders of what the mission was on that particular

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day, they were trying to wrap the enemy and to kill them? Not exactly,

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no. Generally, that was the challenge of the Royal Marines, to

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lure out the enemy. Sergeant Blackman and his patrol was sent out

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on what is called a battle damage assessment, to assess the damage

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inflicted by an Apache helicopter on the insurgency. That is when he came

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across a very badly injured insurgent. And that led, as we know,

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to the killing. Your film is enormously powerful, you can see and

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feel the heat, the tension, the fear and so on. And yet when this killing

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took place, Sergeant Blackman was reciting Shakespeare and he seemed

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very calm? Yes, if you just look at the helmet camera footage by itself,

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anybody would think, guilty as charged, and the rates, lock him up

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and throw away the key. It is important to see beyond the

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pictures. Remember that on this critical day, the day that this

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killing happened, now manslaughter rather than murder, it was

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nonetheless the day at the end of a torrid six-month tour. What the lads

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still call a tour from hell. So I think we have to see this is the

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culmination of an experience that few of us could deal with. That is

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not to say, of course, as I have been hearing from your other

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contributors, that Blackman is without culpability. In fact, I have

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met him several times in prison and he is the first to throw up his

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hands and admit what he did and also that he is ashamed of what he did.

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He said, if only I can go back, Doctor Who Time Machine and undo

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what I did, I would do that, hand on heart. He accepts his culpability.

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But it is a sensible move forward today to see this in context is a

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very nuanced situation, but it has taken a long time for people to get

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their heads around it and we are getting closer to understanding it.

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I hope my film tonight throws a little more light on the doctors as

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well. I watched the film this afternoon, it is extraordinary.

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Thank you for joining us this evening.

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That Panorama programme will be on tonight, at 22:50, on BBC1.

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The police are trying to find four people who were in Trowbridge

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within minutes of a young man being stabbed to death.

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Jordan Taylor died early on Sunday morning.

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Detectives believe the four people may hold the key to what happened.

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Here's our Wiltshire reporter, Will Glennon.

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The pictures aren't easy to make out, but police think

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someone out there will know who these people are.

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The footage was all taken in the centre of Trowbridge -

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near Prospect Place and Timbrell Street -

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at the weekend, in the early hours, as Saturday night turned

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We have frantic evidence which can eliminate these people from all

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enquiries, so we would urgently like to hear from them or anybody who

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might recognise these individuals from the CCTV. It is likely some of

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the four would just walking home from a night out, they all passed

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closely to the incident and they may hold the key to solving the murder.

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They're especially interested in a white man with receeding hair,

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wearing a green parka, carrying a black bag.

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We are certain that someone knows this man and he might be from the

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local area. If you think you know any of the people in the CCTV, I

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would urge you to get in touch with us. Also, we are interested in

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speaking to anyone who matches the description and who may own a Star

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description and who may own a Star Wars logo bag.

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Most of the police cordons in place on Monday have now been removed.

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The searches for physical evidence are almost complete.

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Just one side road remains sealed off.

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Flowers and messages are still being laid outside

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the community hospital, the spot where Jordan collapsed

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and died after struggling there with his friend.

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When you look at all the flowers and read

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some of the tributes, you can tell Jordan

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His mum described him as 'The funniest, most loving young

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She said he loved life and lived it to the full.

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Jordan's brother, Damian, said they'll always be

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Will Glennon, BBC Points West, Trowbridge.

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I hope you've managed to enjoy the sunshine today.

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We've still got plenty more to bring you, including...

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On Ladies' Day at Cheltenham, we meet one female jockey

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The funeral has been held today for a man who'd saved his mother's

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life from a convicted killer seven years ago.

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27-year-old Kyle Clarke was run over by a car

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His family have spoken exclusively to our home

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affairs correspondent, Charlotte Callen.

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There's so much you can say about him, isn't there?

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Yeah, he was the highlight of my life.

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The hardest words a mother could ever say - goodbye to a son.

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This is a family who've experienced unimaginable pain.

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Kyle was just 19 years old when he saved his mum's life.

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He came home from work and interrupted a man who'd

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Kyle later learned that that man was convicted

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From that date, and from that day, when Kyle learnt the truth

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He then started to go downhill, mentally, physically.

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He stood by his mum, shoulder to shoulder through the trial.

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And her decision to talk publically about the need for more support

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Kyle was knocked down at a petrol station in Knowle West, in Bristol.

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Dragged underneath a car, he died at the scene.

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Over the dark seven years, it's always been,

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Is there anywhere we need to take you today, Mum?

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Do you need me to do anything with the kids, Mum?"

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And what I miss most from him is, wherever he was,

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whatever he was doing, I'd always get a text message

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at the end of each and every evening to say, "Night-night, Mum.

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I love you. See you in the morning."

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Through the tears and the sadness here today, his family

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try to remember the good times that they spent together,

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but they will face another challenge - a court case on Friday.

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Shakrun Islam is charged with manslaughter and a trial date

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Charlotte Callen, BBC Points West, Southmead.

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A former freeminer from the Forest of Dean has been cleared

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Dave Harvey was found not guilty of eight assault charges and one

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of indecently assaulting a 14-year-old girl.

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Mr Harvey, who's 78, is also a well-known

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Some people who use wheelchairs in Bristol have told us they feel

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the city has made them feel unwelcome and discriminated against.

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It comes as a website carried out an investigation on how easy

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the city is to negotiate for people with disabilities.

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It's a city with steps and steep hills.

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The Bristol streets can be challenging for those

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in wheelchairs, and getting inside shops, bars and

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You feel that you're not welcome in those places, because they're not

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adequately supporting you in allowing you to

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Some buildings have signs outside saying - you can

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When you go out, I personally don't want to stand out.

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I want to blend in and be the same as everyone else.

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So if I had to ask for help to get into a building, I would walk past.

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These people, who all meet at the charity Paul's Place,

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Why should disabled people be discriminated from going wherever

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Even going to the toilet can be an issue, with disabled loos often

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When I go in these toilets, sometimes they smell because they've

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changed their babies, and it's horrible.

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And you do not want to be in there really.

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And I think that's why it should be separate, so it doesn't stink

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Saying the situation stinks is an understatement,

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It saddens me that it is 2017 and we constantly battle to make sure that

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our members get a life that they should have and they deserve.

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The website Disabled Go is now updating its pages,

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to show which places are easily accessible in Bristol.

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But these friends all agree, there's lots that needs to be done.

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Well, Chloe Ball-Hopkins - who was featured in

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Lee's report there - went for a night out

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in Bristol, filmed by BBC Inside Out West cameras.

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Nice to see you. What was the biggest challenge on your flat out?

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The shock of it was the taxis, we tried a number and seven we tried,

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three let me in and two did it with much discussed and one only

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willingly. They all had the ability because they carried the ramps

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necessary but it was their will, that was quite shocking. It was,

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every single one has the spine to say they have wheelchair access and

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they have the ramps, they just make every excuse not to help you. What

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excuses? One said the Rab was not working, and I hit my head on the

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roof as I got in. How did it make you feel? Disappointing, we heard it

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was the case but I thought it would be fine because everywhere else I

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have not struggled, London, Manchester, all fine, here it was an

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issue. Bristol is one of the holiest cities in the country and nobody can

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do anything about that, lots of old and Victorian buildings, difficult

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to convert. What about the modern structures, new buildings, they

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built with some consideration for people who cannot get around so

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well? They are getting better now, there was an equality act which says

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new buildings have to stick to it. It depends who is around, sometimes

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they say they do not have the demand to need it and sometimes it could

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just be a portable ramp which is what is needed. That happened in a

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club he went on, they had one and another had one and he was not sure

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how to put it up. At least they had the wealth. What is your response to

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the film, a lot have viewed it? It went up on social media and we have

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had other BBC account sharing it and we have over 1.1 million views and a

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lot of responses, which is really good to see. 1.1 million. That is

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good ratings! Thank you! Lovely to see you, as always. You are welcome

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any time. It's Day Two at Cheltenham,

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and a huge day for one young jockey. On Ladies' Day, Lizzie Kelly

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is making her professional On Friday, she'll become only

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the second woman ever to take Yes, exciting finish in her race

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today. The father was watching in the winners enclosure behind me on

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the big screen, pacing around nervously.

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She ended up fifth, on board Diable de Sivola,

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The race won by another of the horses from her parents'

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stables on the edge of Exmoor, so a good day for the family.

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Lizzie is one of only six women jockeys riding

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She's already broken records, as the first woman

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She will be the first woman to compete in a Gold Cup in 33 years.

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She's been talking to Damian Derrick about succeeding

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I wanted to dress like a male jockey, you know,

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with all the right gear, the proper riding out boots

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and the proper britches and everything.

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I had to do more to fit in and look the same as all the lads.

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Lizzie hasn't just fitted in, she's stood out,

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making her own piece of history along the way.

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A first ever grade one win for a female rider.

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That win at the highest level in jump racing 15 months ago

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The confidence side of that, you know, really was massive.

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It set in stone sort of where I was going,

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Being able to say, look I've won a grade one to myself

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when things are, you know, a bit bleak.

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Despite her success, opportunities are limited for Lizzie.

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Many owners and trainers are still reluctant to expose women

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The majority of her rights come from the family is, not that she is

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getting family hand-outs. She is not given anything, she writes for us

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and we run a business and if we do not get success, we will not be

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here, so it is not a gift, she has earned it. And I feel very proud

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that somebody can be that dedicated that they make it work. And it is

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that sheer hard work that Lizzie says is behind her success.

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And although long since used to being outnumbered

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in the weighing room, she does understand the significance

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of being the first female jockey in 33 years to ride in the Gold Cup.

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I think more than any other girl reference, I've really,

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Riding in the Gold Cup is massive because it's such an elite race,

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reserved for the best horses, the best trainers

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And in such illustrious company, Lizzie has already

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One to remember for Gloucestershire trainer Ben Pauling.

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Just three years after setting up his stables

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in Bourton-on-the-Water - just west of here -

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he has a first Festival winner, with Willoughby Court.

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It is everything and more I could have ever hoped for. I have got a

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fantastic team of owners and we have come from eight horses to 60 in the

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first three years and hopefully we will have more for next year because

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this is what people look for. And they want to see their trainers

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producing at the top and hopefully that shows we can do it. The Sun has

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set at Prestbury Park. It has been a lovely sun soaked afternoon for

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Ladies' Day so I am going to say goodbye and leave you with the best

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of the fashion and flamboyance on show, see you tomorrow.

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They could have made an effort! Mucking out in the stables in that

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might not be too easy! No, I would not think they would,

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no! Shall we catch up on the weather?

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Yes, Ian is on the roof. When you caught the Sun today, it was so

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warm. Yes, hello, it turns into a pleasant

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day with the cloud having taken quite a while to clear out of some

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parts of Somerset into parts of Dorset. But you caught up. This is

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the satellite imagery. The forecast for tomorrow, an altogether

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different experience in terms of cloud amounts. Extensive cloud

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around during the day. It is looking dry through the morning and into the

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afternoon courtesy of a weak front from the Northwest, that will

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introduce the likelihood of patchy and showery outbreaks of light rain.

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No great amount of rain. A wider look at how things are shaping up.

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Cloud increases later tonight. That sets us up for the cloudy start

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tomorrow. We watch out for the cold fronts towards the North West. That

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splits into a double structure. Both entities fairly weak in nature, so

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not great amounts of rain associated with it, opening the door by

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tomorrow evening later to cooler air which is in evidence through into

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Friday. So for the time being, a lot of clear skies above us. Through the

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night, with the clear sky, we could get patches of mist and fog forming.

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Second half of the night, areas of cloud expand, especially from the

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south-west, so by first site tomorrow, temperatures start at six

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or seven Celsius and under if their sheet of overcast. That will remain

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stubborn throughout the day with a few exception perhaps. Through the

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morning, still dry, and by lunchtime onwards, some rain already to the

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West of Somerset. That is the first part of that front in the afternoon

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and that is the second into the evening. Two separate entities and

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between them, we could get something brighter, including across

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Gloucestershire. By the tail end of the evening. But fleeting in

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competition with the amount of cloud. Temperatures today, safely

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towards the mid-teens. Tomorrow, down a bit to about 11 Celsius

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across many districts. Towards Friday, noticeably cooler, dry and

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bright start first part of the morning. Cloud increases and towards

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the West and North West, there is a sequence of waves on the front which

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introduces rain, we suspect, by about mid-afternoon. The timing of

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that critical at Cheltenham, and we will give you another update on that

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tomorrow. And he very much. It was certainly

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beautiful. We have to leave you. Chloe, we filmed you on your night

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out and that was the first you had had, you have another planned? It is

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my friend's 21st this Saturday, set out on Saturday night to try again.

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Lovely, have a nice night. Thank you for joining us, is to you again

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tomorrow, goodbye!

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