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Welcome to South East Today. Tonight's top stories:

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Not guilty of inciting riots in Hastings. A jury accept a Sussex

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man was joking when he posted comments about looting on Facebook.

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We are live with the details. We meet the former royal engineer

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who lost a hand in Libya two weeks ago, but says he wants to go back

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and continue clearing landmines. Also in tonight's programme:

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Bright new hope or false dawn? A promise of thousands of jobs for

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Medway if a multi-million pound redevelopment plans go ahead.

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The men who fell to Earth. The brave few who bailed out of

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stricken aircraft and survived meet as the Caterpillar Club for the

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final time. He said, is it good in the wind? I thought that was very

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odd, bordering on inane. And raising eyebrows in Sussex.

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Apprentice star Nick Hewer advises business hopefuls in Lewes.

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Good evening. A father from East Sussex who posted messages on

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Facebook at the height of the London riots has been found not

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guilty of trying to incite looting. Nathan Sinden wrote, "Let's start a

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riot in Hastings," to friends on the social networking site. But the

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jury at Hove Crown Court accepted the defence argument that his posts

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were written as a joke. Nathan Sinden did not deny the

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comments were his. What should have been obvious, his defence said, was

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that he was joking. His timing, his family admitted, could not have

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been were so. He did not think of the consequences. But a lot of

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people do that on Facebook. You might as well stand on the street

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and yell it out. They think they're having private conversation. Just

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because he did something foolish does not mean he is guilty of.

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is guilty of being an idiot, that These messages came in the middle

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of the riots in August. Police forces were on high alert. Their

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sense of humour took second place to an increasing nervousness.

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of the footage I saw on the television made me think, if I had

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to go out and deal with that, I would be quite worried. It is what

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I am employed to do, but I would be scared and so would my family.

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people have been convicted and jailed for up to four years for

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using Facebook to incite rioting. But Nathan Sinden has always

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claimed he was just messing around. This jury is sending out a message

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to the authorities that what people say is not always what they mean.

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Some people intended ironically or a bit of a laugh. If that is what

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juries are going to see, then they are unlikely to convict people in

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future. Comments on his face but paid such as, I am going straight

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down to Poundland, were clearly ironic. He wrote in a private

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thread that he was joking because he liked Hastings the way it was.

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It might not have been funny, but the jury agreed it was not

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incitement to riot. Our reporter joins us live from

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Hastings. Joke or no joke, Nathan Sinden's actions did have quite an

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impact in the town that night, didn't they?

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Yes, they did. I hope you can hear me over the fireworks. The messages

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that he posted and others like it meant the town was effectively

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locked down. There were 40 uniformed officers out here on the

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streets, many more than there would normally be on a summer evening. I

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don't think people would blame the police for their reactions, but

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there might be questions about the calm after the storm. When the look

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at those messages in context, perhaps they should have realised

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that they were not to be taken seriously, no matter how foolish or

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irritating. A former royal engineer from Kent

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has lost a hand in an explosion, while working on humanitarian mine

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clearance work in Libya. Fred Pavey from Chatham was attempting to

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deactivate a mine when it exploded in the city of Misrata. He is now

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facing extensive reconstructive surgery.

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I lost my thumb and my forefingers. They saved the top of my hand to

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wrap over as a flap. I will end up with a stump there. Whether they

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can attach anything I after words, I do not know. Fred Pavey lost his

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hand a fortnight ago when clearing mines in Libya. The incident is

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etched on his mind. He feels his injuries could it be much worse.

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replay it every night. Not in a negative way, just go through my

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mind every night. Like I said, unfortunately, one of my friends

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was injured in the incident. A couple of dreams I have had, he was

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actually killed. I break up laughing because I know he was not.

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Which is really good. It is a positive thing. Unexploded ordnance

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is commonplace in Libya. After spending 34 years in the army, Fred

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says he was fully aware of the risks. The mind that caused his

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injuries was uptight yet never seen before. It is thought to have a

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secondary detonation advice -- detonation device which went on

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when he lifted the mind up. He is a very brave person, but also very

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cautious. He is the one who is always explaining to us where we

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should to court and where we should be careful. -- where we should

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avoid. Local people were living close to these minefields. There

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are thousands of items all over the place. People need to get back to

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work. Farmers need to plough their fields. Fred says he wants to get

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back to Libya to help more people avoid these mines.

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In a moment: After the driest autumn in years, water companies

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say we could be heading for drought conditions.

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Up to 3,500 jobs could be created in the Medway towns if new plans

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announced by one of Britain's biggest developers are given the go

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ahead. The Peel Group wants to spend �650 million regenerating

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Chatham Docks, 26 acres of brownfield land that they already

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own near the River Medway, into a so-called events city. It will

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contain new homes, offices and shops.

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That plans for this site are ambitious. They promise plenty. New

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homes, new businesses, new jobs. think it is a good idea because

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unemployment is pretty bad in Medway. If this creates jobs, I

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would not say no to it. I would not be able to go there, I would need a

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bus. I still can't see how it will really improve the Tatton area.

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is more jobs for Medway. It gives us a chance to get a job. It should

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be all right. Overall, I think the prospect of significant jobs and

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development, if done well and appropriate late in the correct

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area, we have to welcome that. Medway is open for business.

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owners of the dock are no strangers to big business ideas. They created

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a vast media city UK development in Salford, side that has been visited

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by a councillors in Medway. They also warned this site where the hop

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a windfarm site can be created to create 1,000 local jobs. We believe

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there is a need for additional retail floorspace within and the

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Medway towns. That is demonstrated by our planning application. In

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terms of infrastructure, we are proposing some significant

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improvements. You can never solve problems of any city by developing

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20 acres. There are 250,000 people in Medway. These jobs are good news,

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but it does not mean that this is suddenly Dubai or San Francisco. We

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have to be real estate. Whether planning permission is given for

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all of -- all or just some of the proposals will now be decided by

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the council. Our reporter joins us live from

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Chatham. There is plenty of support in the area for this large

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development, but some concerns, too?

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He yes, the developers say that when the piggies plans out to

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public consultation, 90% of locals supported them. But there are

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concerns that businesses might be affected in the high street. As for

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the dockyards itself, where would those businesses go to? There are

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also local employers. People have told me today that they have heard

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grand plans for development year before which have not materialised.

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Some have said that they are wary that these might just be empty

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promises. A former soldier and teacher from

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Kent has died after falling into a ravine on an island in the Indian

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Ocean. Carl Davies was working for a private security firm in Reunion.

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He left a teaching job at the Sheppey Academy in August.

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Colleagues there say he will be sadly missed.

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A �73 million extension to Gatwick Airport's North Terminal has been

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officially opened by the former Prime Minister John Major. The

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terminal has been expanded by more than three acres to cope with a

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predicted increase in passenger numbers to 20 million a year by

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2020. Rail accident investigators say

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poor maintenance caused a southeastern commuter train to

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slide out of control for more than two and a half miles. The London to

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Hastings train failed to stop at Stonegate in East Sussex last year,

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sliding through the station at more than 60 mph.

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There were some shortcomings in the process. Up until this incident,

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what we had no reason to believe there was a problem. But we're now

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looking closely at all of the processes and identify any

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potential shortcomings. We are put in place a number of changes to

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make sure that we do not have another situation where a train has

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no sand on it when it needs to. Let's cross live to our reporter at

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Stonegate Station. How did it happen?

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Well, conditions that morning were extremely slippery. Trains had been

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struggling to stop all morning. This particular trained was lacking

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a crucial safety feature. Its supply of sand which drivers spray

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on to the rails to help them slowdown was empty. In fact, the

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on-board computer had alerted engineers to this fact three days

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earlier saying it was running low. The following day, and Engineer

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requested new supplies. Two more nights went by and nothing was done.

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The driver was unable to stop here. He continued for a further seven

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minutes, only coming to a stop three miles down the line. They

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train did not go through a red light so there was no danger to the

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people on that train. But this shows what can happen when you have

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crushed leaves under the wheels of the trained and the driver cannot

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stop. This train shouldn't have been in service in this condition,

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should it? That right. Safety rules stipulate

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that drivers should not take their trains out if they don't have sand

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on board. But this driver did not know that was the case. They have

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now introduced new alerts in the driver's cab, so that they will

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know in future. South East Water says it is not

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ruling out restrictions on supplies next year if we have a dry winter.

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Levels at both its reservoirs and underground aquifers are way below

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average. The last year has been the driest since the drought year of

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1976. Last month was one of the warmest Octobers on record with

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just 30% of the typical average rainfall. Our Environment

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Correspondent reports. Winter is fast approaching, but the

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autumn rains have not yet arrived. At that whoever dry spring and the

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result is plain to see at this reservoir. Currently, the reservoir

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is only one third full. You would not expect the water level to be at

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its maximum at this time of year, but you would expect it to be

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around 50% full. That would bring the level to where I am standing.

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It is not only the reservoirs which are affected, but groundwater on

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which much of our region relies is below average as well. A drought

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permit is likely to be applied for to take water from this river is

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needed. We want to fill up over reservoirs with water from the

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river and hopefully underground sources from rainfall between now

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and spring. Then we will have enough water to accommodate our

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summer demand for next year. last time the region saw such a dry

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12 months was in 1976. The fear is that history could repeat itself.

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Pipes run along the ground and each one shows that a small amount of

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water goes to every tree. It is very efficient. It is vital we're

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allowed to keep extracting water through the dry months. Crucial for

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this industry. The Environment Agency decide to can take water and

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how much from Myroe Rovers and reserves. It will be difficult to

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recharge the reservoirs to this degree. If there are sunny days

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throughout the winter. We will work closely with water companies to

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make sure that they can extract as much as possible when it does rain

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without hurting the river ecology. A rain is needed. In the meantime,

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people are being urged to use water wisely.

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Our top story tonight: A Sussex man who posted messages about looting

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in Hastings on Facebook at the height of the London riots has been

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found not guilty of trying to incite rioting. The jury at Hove

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Crown Court accepted Nathan Sinden's defence that his posts

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were written as a joke. Also in tonight's programme: Tales

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of wartime escapes and daring do as the parachutists of the Caterpillar

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Club meet for one final time. And Nick Hewer it gives young

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hopefuls The Apprentice treatment in Suffolk.

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Gunging school teachers, bathing in baked beans, or simply dressing up

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in spotty clothes. Just some of the many fundraising activities that

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will be taking place tomorrow for Children In Need. The annual event

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raises vital cash here in the south east for schemes such as the

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Bandbazi project in Brighton, which uses circus skills to help

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I am 15 years old. I come to this project every Saturday morning. In

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the grip, some people have special needs. Others are from different

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cultures. Some people have problems with spelling. I come here because

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I like to help people learn new way is. I am 12 years old. I come here

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every Saturday morning. I have lots of new friends from year. I have

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learned lots of things about people's backgrounds and all sorts

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of, like, nationalities and staff. Some people don't understand. When

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the see someone who is different to them, they think they are weird.

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They actually have a history and a background which they can tell you

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and then you can see things from a different point of view. I find it

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shocking that in a city like this, many people are shut away in their

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cocoon. They don't like to approach a new people. It is nice to meet

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new people. I enjoy it. I especially like to help. I don't

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just a judge people by what they look like. I think about who they

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are inside. On a Saturday morning, it is nice to wake up and be

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excited about coming here. On Children In Need night tomorrow,

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the programme will be live at the Bluewater Shopping Centre.

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It is one of the world's more exclusive and unusual groups. The

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Caterpillar Club is made up of people who jumped from stricken

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aircraft during wartime and survived. 88-year-old Bob Frost

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from Sandwich in Kent is one of the surviving members. He was just 19

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when he jumped from a Wellington bomber during a Second World War

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raid on Germany. It is a remarkable story.

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It was a raid like this one in Germany. Bob Frost was an era

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gunner on a Wellington bomber, whose crew baled out after the

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engines failed. I had worked out a plan in mind. It was not if you

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were shot down, it was when. Most crews did not get beyond 14

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operations. We were on another 22nd. I came down through a cloud. It was

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cold and wet. The ground came up and hit me. A great big Belgian

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field came up and hit me. You have the flames, the fear, the confusion,

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the shells exploding around you. Your aircraft is on fire and you

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simply have to dive out. You're diving out into the unknown,

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trusting your life to your parachute and then floating down

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into enemy territory. This man was forced to eject from

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his Tornado during the first Gulf War. He shares the experiences of

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the last members of the Caterpillar Club. They relied on their

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parachutes. We are sad about this, but it is inevitable. We are in our

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late 80s and early 90s now. There are only one dozen of us left.

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their memories live on. Bob is on the right of this photograph. The

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rest all to escape through Spain within weeks. He says he survived

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through luck and by quickly learning to live with fear. If you

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were not frightened, you were thick. I never met anybody who enjoyed

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bombing. It is not often that a footballer

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appearing at his home ground is upstaged by his own grandfather.

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But that is what happened to Brighton and Hove Albion's Tommy

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Elphick today. He was at the Amex Stadium with his granddad, Alfred,

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to help raise awareness of the club's Extra Time project. It is

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trying to get the over-55s involved in sport and keep-fit activities.

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By their own admission, not many of the participants today were a big

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football fans. But their first visit to the stadium certainly made

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am impact. It was a daydream of mine to come here. I thought I'd

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never live to see it. I have. It is fantastic. Tommy Elphick faces

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months on the sidelines through injury. He brought along his 81-

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year-old grandfather. If I get a knock back, it is easy to get back

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up. If an older person takes a fall, it can be difficult for them to

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move forward again. Brighton is one of 30 football clubs supporting the

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scheme, which is designed to make their elderly more mobile. It works.

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21% used the NHS less. 50% felt healthier. 75% made new friends.

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is about growing your social networks all-star it is like and

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you live beginning. More confidence and energy. More ability to do

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things properly. I think this is the best thing that has ever

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happened to me, certainly for a long time. So much is emphasise

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about the use today. It is nice that we are remember. The club have

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a proud record of community projects. Something which is much

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easier if. We're working in the community, the way that I always

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planned this to be. We come here to watch the games, but there is so

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much more on offer at this new stadium. For the time being,

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Alfred's grandson can only sit and watch.

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He is Lord Sugar's faithful sidekick, who can seal the fate of

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a wannabe entrepreneur with the sardonic raise of an eyebrow. But

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Nick Hewer, who is most famous as one of the judges on the hit TV

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show The Apprentice, was not hiring or firing today. Instead, he spent

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the day firing young imaginations in Lewes, on a school visit aimed

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at inspiring the next generation of business leaders. Our reporter has

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been to meet him. On the apprentice, he is Lord

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Sugar's right-hand man. Dishing out disdainful looks and scornful

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comments to the hapless one of the entrepreneur has. He said, is it

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good in the weather and the wind? Which I thought was a very sort of

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odd thing to say. Bordering on the name, really. What is the product?

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He was not so hard on their students here in Lewes today. But

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those famous facial expressions were still there. If maybe I am

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blessed or cursed with a sort of mobile face. That is it. We're not

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faking it are practising are doing things. No one says, can you do

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that again for the camera? But does the image portrayed in the

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Apprentice of what a hire and fire industry give a false impression of

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the business world, putting young people of the Korea? You could

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produce a very bland, solid worthwhile business programme and

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nobody would watch it. I thought he would be rude and arrogant, but he

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is very down to earth. It is good to get a different point of view

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from someone with his background. Then we can put that into real life

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situations. Nick Hewer's on screen presence has helped bring about a

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new twist in his career. Yesterday, it was announced that he will be

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the host of a new major -- he will be the new host of a major data I'm

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brand. Countdown will be great, but I want to carry on with The

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Apprentice. But I might get fired! Relief for apprenticeship fans,

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then. Four entrepreneurs, it looks like there will be no escape from

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like there will be no escape from Nick Hewer's contemptuous glare.

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It has been very mild for the time of year. He will stay dry and clear

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as we move through tonight. More cloud as we move through the early

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hours of tomorrow. People start hazy. It will be staying dry with

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decent spells of sunshine around. Low pressure in control. Some spots

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of rain first thing this morning. It brightened up into the afternoon.

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Light south-westerly winds around 50 mph. Temperatures mild for the

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time of year. It stays dry as we move through tonight. Clearer skies

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with mist and fog patches forming. More cloud around by the early

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hours of tomorrow morning. It will be mild. Temperatures in double

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figures for many. Tomorrow, I hazy start to the day. The south-

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westerly winds continued to pick up at around 20 mph. Staying dry with

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decent spells of sunshine. Temperatures similar to today. Mild

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for the time of year. 14 degrees. As we move into tomorrow night,

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very little changed. More cloud cover than tonight, but holding on

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to the southerly breeze so it will be mild. Temperatures hardly

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changing from a daytime values. The mild and dry weather stays with us

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