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Welcome to South East Today, I'm Natalie Graham.

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A "gentleman's agreement" caught on tape - our exclusive report

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on an apparent sweetheart deal between the government

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We'll have analysis on this exclusive story

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A prolific thief and burglar tells this programme how violent sexual

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abuse he suffered as a child led to his life of crime.

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Also in tonight's programme, the Sussex Police inspector arrested

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on suspicion of having sex with a woman he met

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Perilously close to the edge - the coastguard criticises

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who risked their lives to take cliff-top photos.

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don't mess with the buns. I like them like this, they cover more.

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we meet the Sussex star of the musical based

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A secret recording of the leader of Surrey council telling fellow

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members to u-turn over plans to increase council tax by 15%,

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because he had obtained a "gentleman's agreement"

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from the government, has been given to this programme.

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The authority had threatened to call a referendum over council tax -

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but surprisingly backed down at the 11th hour.

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The Labour Party accused the government at the time

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a "sweetheart deal" - something the Prime Minister

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However, in the recording, councillor David Hodge says

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agreement with the Chancellor and the Secretary of State

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that we will sort the funding out for the following year."

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Our Political Editor Helen Catt has this exclusive report.

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It was the row that threatened to leave the government deeply

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embarrassed. A major Conservative council, saying it had been forced

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into a massive tax hike, because it didn't have enough money to look

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after its elderly and vulnerable. I think it's important that

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politicians stand up and tell the truth, and be honest, and tell them

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what it costs to run these services. We have to pay for the services. But

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at the 11th hour, the 15% rise was dramatically abandoned, sparking

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claims of a secret deal with the government. Can be Prime Minister

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tell the house whether or not a special deal was done for sorry? The

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decision as to whether or not to hold a referendum in Surrey is a

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matter for them. Number ten denied a deal had been struck. David Hodgson

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also denied any deal. Tonight, though, we can reveal secret

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recordings of a meeting between David Hodgson and Conservative

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councillors, which show, stations had been taking place between the

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savvy leader and community secretary Sajid Javid just before the

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referendum was scrapped. Brendan David Hodgson also revealed that the

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threat of a referendum is not entirely off the referendum.

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Labour has reacted angrily. Why shouldn't every council get this

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sort of deal? Why is it a deal that has been done by Conservative

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leaders in Surrey with the government? Why can't all local

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councils have access to this sort of deal, given that social care is in

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crisis, not just in Surrey, but all around the country? Approached by

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the BBC today, David Hodgson had every leader, if they are any good

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at the job, will always have these conversations to try to get a better

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deal. He said he was still hoping the Chancellor would announce extra

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money for Surrey in tomorrow's budget.

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Helen, our political editor, joined us today. We broke the story earlier

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today, what Moore has the government had to say this evening? Since then,

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our exclusive story has been picked up by a number of newspapers and

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websites and is really gaining traction. That is bad news for the

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government, they will be thinking on the eve of the budget were they will

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have to tackle some tricky spending issues tomorrow. Just before we went

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to air, we received a statement from number ten Downing Street. It is

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pretty bullish or stop it says as we have repeatedly made clear there was

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no special deal for Surrey County Council and they will not receive

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any extra funding that would not be provided to other councils. To imply

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the opposite is simply untrue. It then goes on to talk about the 100%

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business rate retention scheme that Surrey is part of and to reiterate

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that conversations happen all the time. They will hope they can put it

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to bed with that statement. I think that is unlikely. In the last few

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seconds, we have heard from Labour, we understand they will call on

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Theresa made to apologise and come clean.

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A prolific Kent thief says the violent sexual and physical

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abuse he suffered as a child, set him on a path of crime.

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Paul McDonagh - who's waived his right to anonymity -

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has told BBC South East Today he was repeatedly molested at

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He committed his first crime when he was twelve years

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old and has been arrested more than a hundred times times

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Today, the government said courts should consider mitigating

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circumstances, which may indicate an "unstable upbringing"

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when deciding punishments for young people.

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Our Special Correspondent Colin Campbell has this

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Thefts, shoplifting, burglaries, loads of crime.

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All through my life, I've committed crimes.

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Paul McDonagh has spent more than 20 years in prison.

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He blames his pattern of relentless offending on the treatment

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If somebody had taught me back then, if somebody had helped me back then,

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instead of abusing me, if they'd have helped me,

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I could have done better in my life, I could have done a lot better

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Some people may think that this is convenient

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for you to talk about now, after committing so many crimes.

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No, I ain't like that, anybody who knows me, I ain't like that.

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I take full responsibility for what I've done, for my crimes.

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At the age of 12, Paul was sent to Kerelaw Remand Home in Ayrshire.

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It was supposed to be a safe haven for troublesome youngsters.

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Instead, he says he was subjected to emotional,

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And, yeah, torture is the only way I can explain it.

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His older sister says she made an official complaint at the time,

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He wasn't a bad child, he was a good child,

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and he was a very loving and caring little boy.

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It's like they ripped the heart and soul out of him.

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You know, they've taken everything that was good in that little boy,

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It was home to 72 vulnerable children.

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But it closed in 2006 following a police investigation into sexual

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abuse. The 2009, 400 allegations of abuse from 159 children, spending 20

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years. Most survivors don't become criminals, but many whose lives have

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been very badly blighted do end up in that light. Two men were jailed

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for abusing children at home in 2006. Paul says both targeted him. I

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know they are not going to admit it, but I know I am in the right, he is

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the one in the wrong. For once in my life, I know I'm right, I know I'm

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right. Paul says he is a criminal but not a liar. He accepts he has

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done many bad things but hopes by confronting his past he can try to

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improve his future. You've been in contact

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with Police Scotland - And they actually want to talk to

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Paul about his experiences? They have confirmed they are keen to talk

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to Paul McDonagh. It seems there is a fresh Scottish investigation into

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the care home. Two men were arrested last month and the Scottish

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authorities must now decide whether or not to prosecute. Paul says he

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came forward because he wants his offenders would to justice will stop

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he has spoken to police many times as a perpetrator of crime but he now

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wants to give evidence as a victim. He doesn't just blame the men who

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heard him, his abusers, he blames the entire system in Scotland for

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history meant as a child. That seems to be backed up by a report into the

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care home in 2009, which identified significant problems for stop

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In a moment, the haunting real-life stories of traumatised war veterans

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veterans adjusting to home life - told on stage in Sussex.

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A Sussex police inspector is the subject of a major

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investigation tonight, after he was arrested over

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allegations he had sex with a vulnerable woman he met

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Inspector Tony Lumb, who is based in Brighton,

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was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office

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The Independent Police Complaints Commission have taken the unusual

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step of appealing for any women who may have been involved

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Tony Lumb, a high-profile police officer. Now facing investigation

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himself on suspicion of misconduct in public office. One lawyer who

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represents victims of police abuse in power says officers need to be

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held accountable. They are in a position of responsibility so it has

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to be accounted for. The only two ensure you get redress is by

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challenging the power, so that it remains within a reasonable level.

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There have been a series of unconnected high-profile misconduct

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cases involving police officers and Sussex. Last December, a Hastings PC

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advertise themselves as a prostitute while off sick. In 2015, PC Lee

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Lyons was sacked after contacting prostitute while on Judy. In 2008,

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an inspector admitted having sex on Judy Wallach Gatwick Airport. Sussex

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Police said it was important to come clean when things went wrong. I am

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so disappointed at what has been reported this afternoon but I

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absolutely believe it is the right thing to do, that the public should

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know about it and we should be held to account and we should explain

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when things go wrong. Pictured here with the Sussex Police and Crime

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Commissioner, Inspector Tony Lumb has been suspended, and his home and

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workplace in Brighton have been searched. Sussex Police says it

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takes any report of inappropriate behaviour extremely seriously.

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Some breaking news now. Two people have suffered breathing difficulties

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after the spillage of a large quantity of white powder across a

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road in Hove around 5pm this evening. East Sussex Fire and rescue

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say 100 metres squared of road has been affected, and it is being

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treated as a hazardous incident. Police, paramedics and the

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Environment Agency are on the scene. We will have more in the late news

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bulletin this evening. A people smuggler who tried to bring

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an Albanian woman into the UK through the Channel Tunnel has been

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jailed for three years. Nicolae Chirvas hid the woman

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in a specially adapted engine She was discovered when he was

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stopped by officials in France. Border Force said it

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was a "particularly A South East hospital is in the top

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20 per cent in the country - according to the NHS Staff Survey,

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which has been published today. The Surrey and Sussex Healthcare NHS

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Trust in Redhill was rated highly by its staff as a place to work

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and receive treatment. They said they felt their work made

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a difference to patient outcomes. One of the major bits from that is

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it says would you be treated here or would you want a member of your

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family to be treated here, and I think that is probably one of the

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biggest gauges about what it is like to work in the place. Would you want

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your family to come here and be treated or would you yourself be

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treated, and that is also very positive for us. So they are

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indicators that we are on the right track.

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Kent Police are investigating the death of a man whose body

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was found near Tunbridge Wells railway station.

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Officers were called to the first floor of Torrington car park at four

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o'clock this morning, after smoke was seen coming

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The death is being treated as unexplained.

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Our Correspondent Mark Norman joins us live from the car park -

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and Mark this car park has something of an unwanted reputation -

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a number of serious crimes have been committed there?

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That's right, a serious sexual assault and a rape, the murder of a

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17-year-old schoolgirl, her body was stuffed into a suitcase, and now

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this unexplained death of what we believe to be a rough sleeper.

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Firefighters called to this car park behind me in the centre of Tunbridge

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Wells at four o'clock this morning, they call the police and the place

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had been conducting the investigation here for the last 15

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hours. This is the car park in Tomic Wells where a man lost his life last

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night. The police are still investigating what happened at the

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copper remains closed. In a statement, police confirmed some of

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those details, saying the death was unexplained, the car park will

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remain closed for several hours while they carry out their

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investigation. This is not the first time Kent Police have investigated a

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serious crime in this car park. In 2007, there was a rape and sexual

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sort. A year before, a 17-year-old schoolgirl had been found murdered

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and stuffed into a sick case and a stairwell in this car park. Terry

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Evans was discovered and a ramp in April 2006, 12 days after she

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disappeared. A homeless man was found guilty of her murder.

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Jewellers were told she had been lured to the stairwell where he had

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been sleeping rough. It is a series of crimes that have left their mark

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local people. Yes, I don't ever park in there, certainly if I was on my

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own I would not, not after the things that have happened in the

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past few years, and I wouldn't want my daughter going in there. I think

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all car parks this size have a sinister edge to them, I would not

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really want my wife parking there with the children. It is anaesthetic

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blackspot, so now it is a human blackspot. It is horrible, I wish it

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wasn't here. This is a busy town centre car park used by shoppers and

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commuters, and police are appealing for anyone with information to come

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forward. So still no indication of whether the police are considering

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this a suspicious case. You can see the tape is still there, still no

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indication of when they are going to lift that. I spoke to one rough

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sleeper who says they will continue to sleep here tonight because of the

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safe police presence. But they are not sure whether they will continue

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to sleep after that. The leader of Surrey council told

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fellow members to u-turn over plans to increase council tax by 15%,

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because he had obtained a "gentleman's agreement"

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from the government. The authority had threatened to call

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a referendum over council tax - Labour accused the government

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of offering Surrey a "sweetheart deal" -

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something the Prime Minister Also in Tanak's programme... Join

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me, Sophie Louise Dare, when I will be talking about Tim Firth's new

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musical, the girls, Gary Barlow, and getting naked. It was a sunny, mild,

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springlike day today but it is all change for tomorrow, wet and windy.

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I will have all the details on the forecast late in the programme.

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A group of visitors who took a series of pictures of themselves

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lying right at the edge of cliffs in East Sussex have been criticised

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by the coastguard for what it describes as reckless

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It's the latest in a series of incidents in which people have

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been photographed in a perilous position on a stretch of coast

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where there have been several huge cliff falls.

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Tonight, the RNLI issued a fresh warning to visitors to stay away

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From Seaford, Sara Smith has tonight's Special Report.

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The views might be magnificent, but standing this close to the edge is

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putting yourself in peril, said those who patrol these cliffs. This

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group can't resist getting right up to the crumbling cliff edge. Even

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peering over to the beach many metres below. One sitting right on

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the edge. Walking along the top, it's clearly very tempting to get

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close to the edge and look out, but it's from down here that you can see

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just how dangerous that might be. The cracks are clear, and anyone who

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lives near here knows the seven sisters are eroding, sometimes

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particularly dramatically, such as here at Berling gap. There are lots

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of signs and even fenced sections, but is it enough to keep people

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safe? The trouble is you can't fence off the whole of the coastline

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relief and stop this is the problem. The problem is you expect adults to

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act as adults, and not do stupid things. Threw actually I was

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thinking that myself earlier, but I thought I must be careful of not

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going to near the edge, because we could get a terrible landslide.

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Common sense should rule, that you don't go too close to the edge. Over

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the years, coastguards have tried time and again to warn people. We'd

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always urge people to keep a good five metres away from the cliff edge

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at any time of year. The danger isn't just on the clifftop. There

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was also a danger underneath. The message, enjoy the beauty of the

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cliffs, but from a distance. Sarah joins us live now from seafood. The

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cliffs are particularly dangerous at this time of year. Yes, the UK

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coastguard told us that the problem at the moment is because of all the

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recent rain over recent weeks, the cliff edges are particularly

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vulnerable. They look of those photographs and said the people in

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them are incredibly lucky that the cliffs did not give way under their

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weight. Having said that, there is never a good time to be that close

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to the edge, the Cosby cracks can go back several feet. And one of the

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biggest problems they face is people taking selfies or taking pictures of

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each other and getting closer and closer to try and get the dramatic

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shot, as they put it, and some people might find this hard to

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believe. That is not actually worth putting your life at risk just to

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get the perfect photo. Pink Mist is the haunting story

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of three young soldiers trying to adapt to home life

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while suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder after serving

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in the army in Afghanistan is being told in a critically

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acclaimed play which opens For 13 years, from 2001,

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the UK was involved in the conflict against the Taliban

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and fighters from al-Qaeda. It's estimated that one in 25

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veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan And one in five service

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personnel are likely to suffer from depression,

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anxiety or substance misuse. The play - at the Devonshire

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Park Theatre - is based Three boys going to Catterick for

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basic new recruits, crows, they called us. The bee stings and

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learnings and drills all hazardous, but already there. It's an intense

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performance, part drama, Parker about the poem, with all the actors

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on stage throughout. -- part dramatic poem. It is a very physical

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experience with carefully choreographed movement from

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beginning to end. I was very honoured really because it is a

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massive part, and the play is phenomenal. The response we get from

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people who it might mean something to, whether they were out there or

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their parents might have been, it needs a lot to them, and people who

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don't know much about war. We humanise those affected are really

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does kind of touch people and stuff. I have never had that as an

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experience, when you come out and people are thanking you. The writer

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Owen shares was inspired by 30 interviews he undertook with

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soldiers who had returned from service in Afghanistan. The play

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deals with the physical, emotional and psychological effect on the men

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who served, and, importantly, the women who support them. Who wants to

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play war? Who wants to play war? My son leaves for Afghanistan very,

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very young and comes back and not in a good way. I've got a 17-year-old

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son in real life, so I can really relate to what that must be like.

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Fishermen blowing on their fingerless gloves, the current

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pulling their fishing lines tied. That's how it was the morning when

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the three of us did what boys always have, and left our homes. War and

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its aftermath laid bare at the Devonshire Park Theatre until

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Saturday. Robin Gibson, BBC South today, Eastbourne.

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Now onto a rather different kind of stage production.

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Calendar Girls - the legendary story of the Womens Institute members

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who stripped off for charity - has been a hugely successful

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Now it's been turned into a musical - called The Girls -

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It stars an actor from Bexhill who's already enjoyed a glittering

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Sophie-Louise Dann has had parts in Made in Dagenham

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Now she's just been nominated for a prestigious award

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for the role, which involves taking her clothes off -

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Don't mess with the bones. I like them at this, they cover more. Don't

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touch the composition! The story of the WIA ladies posing nude for a

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calendar for charity has Origi been a box office hit. Now a new musical

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produced by Gary Barley Gunn Barlow. It is an unusual nomination because

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all six women have been nominated as a whole. And I think that is

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testament to the piece. We are an entity. It is this fantastic force

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of nature on stage. The production features original music by Gary

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Barlow. For Sophie, working with the star has been a big thrill. I'm not

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going to lie, I am a huge take that fan! That he is a fantastic singer

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songwriter, and he and Tim have got this alchemy, with Tim's wit and

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knowledge of structure, theatrically, if you will. Gary has

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enhanced some great numbers for stop has he popped in the dressing room?

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Yeah, he has. I'd had a selfie! A selfie with Gary Barlow in my

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dressing gown, what more can a girl wish for? It is a true tale, which

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took the world by storm, and Sophie says she finds taking her clothes

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off on stage liberating and empowering. The premise is that

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nobody looks the camera. It's as if there is an outside I just capturing

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a moment of beauty. And if you want to witness that moment, the

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musical's taking bookings until July. She's brave! Let's move on to

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the weather now, Rachel, and other lovely spring day.

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Not going to be tomorrow, as ever the weather gives with one hand and

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takes with the other. Today lots of sunshine and by the afternoon

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temperatures for us were reaching highs of around 12 degrees. Several

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degrees above the seasonal average. For the next couple of days,

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although it will be wet, it will be turning a little bit milder. By

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Thursday and Friday we could even see temperatures reaching highs of

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14 or 15 degrees. As we go through the night, initially we have those

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clearer skies, but then that cloud cover starts to thicken and

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eventually we will be seeing the rain fall heavy at times for stop it

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does mean overnight damages only dropped a couple of degrees to

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around six or 7 degrees. So very mild, if wet and windy, as we start

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the day-to-day tomorrow. We will see the rain throughout the

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day, we have that westerly wind that stays with us and even when it tries

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up a bit by the afternoon, lots of cloud cover around. But again very

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mild for the time of year. Normally we would expect to see highs of

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around seven or 8 degrees but by tomorrow afternoon all of us will

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widely see highs of 1213. Wednesday into Thursday, again there will be

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further outbreaks of rain, potentially heavy at times for stop

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the winds pick up, so another very mild might, in some cases

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temperatures hardly changing, dropping to nine, perhaps even 10

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degrees. Milder still as we start the day on Thursday but generally a

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dry day for stop lots of cloud around but by the afternoon with as

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much milder air we could even see highs of 14 or 15 degrees. Again, it

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will be a mild picture as we go into Friday. Both days for Thursday and

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Friday bites another bid by the afternoon. As we look towards the

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weekend, further outbreaks of rain, turning rather wet and windy but for

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the next couple of days I'm afraid the rain and the wind back again for

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tomorrow but staying mild. Changeable! We will be back for the

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later evening update. That is it from me this evening. Goodbye.

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I could be a boxing champ, AND build your computer.

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I am more than just the beard or the nation's favourite dish.

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There's 4 million different ways to understand what British Asian is.

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mixed with fish and chips and visions of five rivers,

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this is a modern-day collision. That's just how we're living.

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I could be a boxing champ, AND build your computer.

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We are everything that the past has made us, and we are the future.

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We've found a place to call our own. Not one city, not one town.

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