Abergavenny

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0:00:31 > 0:00:35Our venue today sits snugly among the beautiful Brecon Beacons,

0:00:35 > 0:00:38were the rivers Gavenny and Usk come together.

0:00:38 > 0:00:40It's an area we've always found difficult to resist

0:00:40 > 0:00:45so we have succumbed, once again, to the charms of Abergavenny.

0:00:47 > 0:00:48Like a Welsh rugby pitch,

0:00:48 > 0:00:52it's a landscape littered with the evidence of ancient battles.

0:00:52 > 0:00:56To the East lie the castles Grosmont, Skenfrith and White,

0:00:56 > 0:00:58which formed a defensive shield

0:00:58 > 0:01:01to protect the gateway to Wales from Norman invaders.

0:01:04 > 0:01:07The great buildings weren't all military establishments.

0:01:07 > 0:01:12Llanthony Priory was one of the country's finest medieval piles.

0:01:12 > 0:01:14Underneath its now ruined arches

0:01:14 > 0:01:18was founded one of the earliest houses of the Augustinian order.

0:01:18 > 0:01:21It's been a religious site since the 6th century.

0:01:21 > 0:01:24If religion kindled the spirit of the local people

0:01:24 > 0:01:27then it was coal that warmed their bodies.

0:01:27 > 0:01:31The once thriving coal industry is remembered at the Big Pit Colliery,

0:01:31 > 0:01:36which, in its prime, supported 1300 men, women and children.

0:01:38 > 0:01:41The wheels are turning once more on this visitor attraction,

0:01:41 > 0:01:44which has been given world heritage status

0:01:44 > 0:01:48alongside Stonehenge and the Great Wall of China.

0:01:48 > 0:01:51Street signs here record other bygone industries,

0:01:51 > 0:01:54during the 18th and 19th centuries,

0:01:54 > 0:01:59Welsh flannel-making, leather goods and wig-making kept the devil from the door.

0:01:59 > 0:02:02Now, there's just the odd sign,

0:02:02 > 0:02:04the old tannery building

0:02:04 > 0:02:08and an occasional "hint" of the past.

0:02:08 > 0:02:09Something that did survive

0:02:09 > 0:02:13and become the vigorous hub of life in Abergavenny is the market.

0:02:13 > 0:02:15There's been one here since medieval times,

0:02:15 > 0:02:18attracting people from all over the country.

0:02:18 > 0:02:24It settled for the Victorian style and it sells everything from antiques to fleas.

0:02:28 > 0:02:30As the centre of community life,

0:02:30 > 0:02:33the market building houses the mayor's parlour,

0:02:33 > 0:02:35the council offices, and a theatre.

0:02:35 > 0:02:39The only thing it couldn't quite squeeze in was the leisure centre,

0:02:39 > 0:02:42which itself has, today, managed to squeeze in the Roadshow.

0:02:42 > 0:02:44So, let's get to work.

0:02:45 > 0:02:48My father, when he was due to retire,

0:02:48 > 0:02:50was going round country house sales. Yes.

0:02:50 > 0:02:55And he just picked up things that he liked and he liked that. Excellent.

0:02:55 > 0:02:57Do you know how much he paid for it?

0:02:57 > 0:03:00Yes, I do, he paid £5 for it. £5? Yes. Good Lord!

0:03:00 > 0:03:01But it's splendid,

0:03:01 > 0:03:06it's a superbly designed jug made by the Doulton factory.

0:03:06 > 0:03:09Yes, it's got all the details under the bottom here.

0:03:09 > 0:03:13King George V and Queen Mary, 1935, isn't it?

0:03:13 > 0:03:17And it was a limited edition, there were 1,000 in the edition

0:03:17 > 0:03:19and this is number 356. Right.

0:03:19 > 0:03:24There, usually, were certificates with them... Have you got the certificate? No.

0:03:24 > 0:03:26It's a little printed-out certificate

0:03:26 > 0:03:29that was put inside the, um, the loving cup.

0:03:29 > 0:03:31So it's a shame you haven't got that.

0:03:31 > 0:03:35They're impossible to find again now, of course,

0:03:35 > 0:03:37so it must have got lost at some stage,

0:03:37 > 0:03:41but, it's designed by, by a man called Charles Noke.

0:03:41 > 0:03:44It's got his little signature, just down there,

0:03:44 > 0:03:47I don't know whether you've noticed it? Yes, I had noticed.

0:03:47 > 0:03:51He's a very, very important designer of the Edwardian period

0:03:51 > 0:03:53and it's nice to have that.

0:03:53 > 0:03:55It's a wonderful pot, isn't it?

0:03:55 > 0:03:58George by Windsor Castle, I suppose,

0:03:58 > 0:04:03and all round here is all heraldic sort of things, people blowing trumpets,

0:04:03 > 0:04:05people in the crowd, it's a very busy pot, isn't it?

0:04:05 > 0:04:07Yes. But you, you like it, do you?

0:04:07 > 0:04:10Well, too busy really, for my taste,

0:04:10 > 0:04:12I like things rather more simply designed.

0:04:12 > 0:04:16Simpler things, yes, but it's spectacular, I think.

0:04:16 > 0:04:20It's got the nations of the, of the Commonwealth around there. Yes.

0:04:20 > 0:04:22I think that's a handsome pot. Yes.

0:04:22 > 0:04:24So its value...?

0:04:24 > 0:04:27Well, they usually fetch, at auction,

0:04:27 > 0:04:30something like around about £500 to £600. Yes.

0:04:30 > 0:04:34But a dealer would probably charge, say, £700, £750 for one of these.

0:04:34 > 0:04:37But it's a splendid, splendid pot,

0:04:37 > 0:04:40so enjoy it, even though it is a bit busy.

0:04:40 > 0:04:42All right, thank you.

0:04:42 > 0:04:48We inherited it in 1986 from my husband's mother,

0:04:48 > 0:04:52and it was her mother's so it's his grandmother's.

0:04:52 > 0:04:54Right, and here's a leading question -

0:04:54 > 0:04:56were you happy to inherit it?

0:04:56 > 0:04:58Oh, yes, I love it.

0:04:58 > 0:05:00You do? I love it, yes.

0:05:00 > 0:05:05OK, this is, quintessentially, a piece of Art Furniture

0:05:05 > 0:05:12and it's a type of furniture that arrived on the scene in and around about 1870-1880. Really?

0:05:12 > 0:05:20Um...it's ebonised in so far as this is obviously a wood that's been painted to simulate ebony. Oh.

0:05:20 > 0:05:21Which is quite expensive.

0:05:21 > 0:05:23What they're trying to do here,

0:05:23 > 0:05:27is they're trying to emulate lacquered furniture that's coming out of the Orient.

0:05:27 > 0:05:34Uh-huh. And out of China, out of Japan, and then the British designers thought they'd have a go themselves.

0:05:34 > 0:05:37What is interesting is, is the quality of the decoration,

0:05:37 > 0:05:39because this is nice quality decoration.

0:05:39 > 0:05:42This would have been an expensive piece of furniture.

0:05:42 > 0:05:47Then, of course, your eye is drawn, obviously, to these, these lovely bulrushes

0:05:47 > 0:05:49and more of the same.

0:05:49 > 0:05:53The thing that dominates it are the panels. The panels are beautiful.

0:05:53 > 0:05:58And, normally, these are tiles, which would be printed and then overpainted.

0:05:58 > 0:06:04But here, we've actually got entirely free painted tiles,

0:06:04 > 0:06:06which is very unusual. Really?

0:06:06 > 0:06:10Because any tile expert watching would say, "oh, no, they're printed."

0:06:10 > 0:06:13But I'm nearer and I can assure them. Yeah. These are painted.

0:06:13 > 0:06:18Oh, really? And the designs themselves are very much in the manner of Walter Crane.

0:06:18 > 0:06:22I can't swear to it. Have you ever had the back off? You should find out...

0:06:22 > 0:06:27No, no, no. ..who made the tiles. They could possibly be Minton, Minton and Hollins.

0:06:27 > 0:06:30Oh, really? Or they could be, they could be Wedgwood.

0:06:30 > 0:06:33Or several other factories... Anyway, function -

0:06:33 > 0:06:38I've been trying to find out the Welsh word for plant stand

0:06:38 > 0:06:44because, you know... Yes, yes. I mean, because I operate out of London I'd call that a jardiniere.

0:06:44 > 0:06:47Yes, yes, it's never had pots in there.

0:06:47 > 0:06:50Well...what's missing is actually a metal tray. Oh, really?

0:06:50 > 0:06:54That should fit inside there. My husband could never remember that. No? No.

0:06:54 > 0:06:58That's what it really needs, because you get flower pots in it.

0:06:58 > 0:07:04So, because these tiles have been hand-painted, I think that's going to add to the value

0:07:04 > 0:07:09and this is probably worth between £600 and £800. Uh-huh.

0:07:09 > 0:07:15The tiles themselves are probably worth at least £400 to a collector.

0:07:15 > 0:07:16BIRD SINGS

0:07:19 > 0:07:21Amazing thing, isn't it?

0:07:21 > 0:07:23Marvellous. How long have you had him for?

0:07:23 > 0:07:27I've had him for about 20 years. Does he always behave quite well?

0:07:27 > 0:07:30Well, it wasn't in very good condition when I first had it

0:07:30 > 0:07:33and it's been repaired and a bit refurbished

0:07:33 > 0:07:36then the last time I used it, I wound it up and broke the spring.

0:07:36 > 0:07:38Oh, dear. Ooh there he goes.

0:07:38 > 0:07:41We had to have a new spring put in, locally, which was very good.

0:07:41 > 0:07:44That seems to have done it beautifully. Yes.

0:07:44 > 0:07:48It's undoubtedly Swiss, and this sort of florid palette for the enamelling is a...

0:07:48 > 0:07:50is a signpost to that.

0:07:50 > 0:07:53And the reason that it is brightly coloured

0:07:53 > 0:07:56is because it's to attract an Oriental audience, really.

0:07:56 > 0:07:58It was almost certainly made

0:07:58 > 0:08:01for export to the Middle, if not the Far, East.

0:08:01 > 0:08:02And it may date from,

0:08:02 > 0:08:08well, I don't think this one's quite 1820s, the fashion started in about 1820. Yes.

0:08:08 > 0:08:12And, and it went on, because it was highly successful and highly amusing.

0:08:12 > 0:08:15I think this one's probably getting towards the end of the 19th century.

0:08:15 > 0:08:18What did you feel like when you saw that for the first time?

0:08:18 > 0:08:22Amazed, I couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it...

0:08:22 > 0:08:26Especially when all the wires come up through that tiny little pedestal

0:08:26 > 0:08:29to operate all the beak and all the wings and everything moving.

0:08:29 > 0:08:32It's incredible, in my view, wonderful.

0:08:32 > 0:08:38Tell me, the bellows in there, of which there are numerous bellows are made of...mouse skin?

0:08:38 > 0:08:42It could be mouse skin, chicken skin is the cliche for it.

0:08:42 > 0:08:45I've never heard that. They are miracles, really.

0:08:45 > 0:08:48It's tiny miracles to keep at home in a strange way.

0:08:48 > 0:08:54You've got to envisage a society where there's no TV, no motor cars... How wonderful. ..and no... Yes.

0:08:54 > 0:08:58No cinema and so entertainment had to be found in very small intimate ways.

0:08:58 > 0:09:04Yes. And nothing was more amazing, really, in the 19th century than to open this marvellous box.

0:09:04 > 0:09:08I suppose the swan on the lid is a bit of a sort of hint as to the contents, isn't it?

0:09:08 > 0:09:13I suppose, yes. Hmm. It's a curiously sort of child-like thing, perhaps.

0:09:13 > 0:09:16I don't know, I mean, it's something that, that would amaze a child.

0:09:16 > 0:09:19Do you show it to children at all? I have not, no.

0:09:19 > 0:09:23Sensible, they'd sort of snatch at it. Exactly. They're humming bird's feathers.

0:09:23 > 0:09:24Are they?

0:09:24 > 0:09:27That's why, and kingfisher as well, perhaps. Yes, yes.

0:09:27 > 0:09:31So a marvellous thing giving everybody great pleasure,

0:09:31 > 0:09:35look how his head turns. He's got tired, we all have.

0:09:35 > 0:09:38Poor chap's run down. We all need our batteries winding up.

0:09:38 > 0:09:42Anyway, he's not going to close, so we'll have to leave him there and wind him up again...

0:09:42 > 0:09:44Brilliant thing... Yes.

0:09:44 > 0:09:46Did you have him valued at all?

0:09:46 > 0:09:48Not really no, I've had one or two people look at it,

0:09:48 > 0:09:52just for interest, to say what they thought, but, not officially, let's say, no.

0:09:52 > 0:09:56What did they say? They had a go, didn't they? No, not really. No?

0:09:56 > 0:10:02Local chap valued it about £4,000 a couple of years ago, that's about all, really.

0:10:02 > 0:10:05Mm, I think £4,000 is quite enough.

0:10:05 > 0:10:09It's a right value, I would go along with that.

0:10:09 > 0:10:12They can be very much more valuable when they're gold,

0:10:12 > 0:10:15sometimes they're gem-set, if they're for the Pasha of Egypt

0:10:15 > 0:10:17they might be bigger and more exciting.

0:10:17 > 0:10:22This is a very, very good example of a Swiss singing-bird-box.

0:10:22 > 0:10:24What a joy... Honestly, you are lucky.

0:10:24 > 0:10:27I wish I were the granddaughter of Eric Gill, but I'm not.

0:10:27 > 0:10:31I'm a friend of the granddaughter of Eric Gill

0:10:31 > 0:10:35and this one IS a portrait of my friend when she was ten years of age.

0:10:35 > 0:10:39This is Gill's granddaughter? Yes, Eric Gill's granddaughter.

0:10:39 > 0:10:43Absolutely fascinating and, of course, he came to Wales, didn't he?

0:10:43 > 0:10:48He did, he lived in Capel-y-ffin, yes, for four years, I believe it was.

0:10:48 > 0:10:50Yes. Before he moved on to Buckinghamshire.

0:10:50 > 0:10:54Yes, yes, well, I think...

0:10:54 > 0:10:57It's a very beautiful drawing, it's somewhat time stained

0:10:57 > 0:11:00and a little bit creased and so on, but it's a wonderful profile.

0:11:00 > 0:11:03I always love his line.

0:11:04 > 0:11:07These...drawings in black lead,

0:11:07 > 0:11:11sharp accent and then this lovely soft undulation...

0:11:11 > 0:11:15Very sensuous line and, of course, he was a typographer,

0:11:15 > 0:11:19letter-cutter, sculptor and artist, a writer.

0:11:19 > 0:11:23He had very advanced... I think it's probably the polite way of saying,

0:11:23 > 0:11:30he had eccentric ideas, when it came to social, religious and sexual tastes.

0:11:30 > 0:11:34Had a fascination for hair...

0:11:34 > 0:11:38Really? And you can see that in his drawings and in his sculpture

0:11:38 > 0:11:41and he was very, very careful to delineate these things.

0:11:41 > 0:11:44He showed them to their best or the way they interested him

0:11:44 > 0:11:46and there is also something...

0:11:46 > 0:11:51he was very fascinated by Indian art and this comes into his work.

0:11:51 > 0:11:55Here, you've got his initials here...

0:11:55 > 0:11:59Eric Gill and the date, 26th of the 3rd, '38...

0:11:59 > 0:12:02Then we have another drawing here.

0:12:02 > 0:12:04A sketch for a head of a statue,

0:12:04 > 0:12:08she looks a little bit Oriental with those eyes.

0:12:08 > 0:12:12Yes. I was thinking of the Indian influence and so on,

0:12:12 > 0:12:16that it actually looks rather like a piece of Indian sculpture.

0:12:16 > 0:12:22The mounts are somewhat time-stained and the drawings, I've said are...

0:12:22 > 0:12:24The paper's gone rather yellow. Yes.

0:12:24 > 0:12:30But I think, probably, for the drawing of your friend,

0:12:30 > 0:12:33Gill's granddaughter, this lovely profile...

0:12:33 > 0:12:35I would have thought...

0:12:35 > 0:12:40One should say, it's worth £1,500, £2,000, possibly more for insurance.

0:12:40 > 0:12:42And the head of the sculpture...

0:12:42 > 0:12:45Somewhat less, £1,000, something like that.

0:12:45 > 0:12:48Thank you, that's very interesting.

0:12:48 > 0:12:52It's a really nice and appropriate find to have in this part of Wales. Good.

0:12:52 > 0:12:53Can I have a go?

0:12:57 > 0:12:58Hey, look at that. Look at that.

0:13:01 > 0:13:04You could have hours of fun with him. I would...

0:13:04 > 0:13:06What I love about this particular toy,

0:13:06 > 0:13:08it's in such good condition.

0:13:08 > 0:13:11Yeah. And also, if you look at the detail here,

0:13:11 > 0:13:13particularly right down on the front here,

0:13:13 > 0:13:16it's a real, sort of, time capsule.

0:13:16 > 0:13:18He needs a stick and a lick.

0:13:18 > 0:13:23Yeah, but it's a time capsule from that 1950s period. Did you remember playing with this toy?

0:13:23 > 0:13:27Oh, yes, I remember yeah, all these are steel, not plastic like today's.

0:13:27 > 0:13:29That's right and this particular...

0:13:29 > 0:13:31interestingly, was made in Germany.

0:13:31 > 0:13:34So it's made five years after the war. Is it?

0:13:34 > 0:13:37And manufactured in Germany for the export market,

0:13:37 > 0:13:40I'm going to put a value of at least £75 on him.

0:13:40 > 0:13:43Really very nice... Good. They're great, fantastic things.

0:13:43 > 0:13:46What do you think it is? I think it's a samovar.

0:13:46 > 0:13:49That's what it's not.

0:13:49 > 0:13:50I always thought it was.

0:13:50 > 0:13:55No, no, it's the mistake everyone makes, it's actually an urn. An urn?

0:13:55 > 0:13:58An urn. What's the difference between a samovar and an urn?

0:13:58 > 0:14:05A samovar has a heating device underneath, a tube that runs through the centre to take the hot air up.

0:14:05 > 0:14:09If it was a samovar, you'd actually have a fitting on the top

0:14:09 > 0:14:11to hold a teapot sitting on the top.

0:14:11 > 0:14:14Clearly, this one, you can't sit a teapot on the top.

0:14:14 > 0:14:18You'd have difficulty, so that makes this an urn as opposed to a samovar.

0:14:18 > 0:14:21Because the way that Russian tea worked,

0:14:21 > 0:14:26you had the tea stewing in the little pot, the hot water in the samovar...

0:14:26 > 0:14:30Yes. ..and then you just poured the tea concentrate

0:14:30 > 0:14:35and then diluted it to taste. So this is an English tea urn.

0:14:35 > 0:14:39Tea urn. But not a samovar, which is a very Russian thing.

0:14:39 > 0:14:42Now this particular one was made in about 1880.

0:14:44 > 0:14:46It's electroplated...

0:14:47 > 0:14:49and is worth about...

0:14:49 > 0:14:52£500. Is it, really? Lovely, that's great.

0:14:52 > 0:14:55There has been an extraordinary coincidence in the queue.

0:14:55 > 0:14:59I just wondered if you could explain who, whose this is and what's this?

0:14:59 > 0:15:00What's going on here?

0:15:00 > 0:15:04Well, the album that I've brought in belongs to my father,

0:15:04 > 0:15:07who was pictured with The Beatles here on this...

0:15:07 > 0:15:11this is the blow-up of the print that Stan brought in,

0:15:11 > 0:15:14and of course the album was signed on the same night.

0:15:14 > 0:15:17So The Beatles came here to Abergavenny in June, 1963.

0:15:17 > 0:15:18Did you see them?

0:15:18 > 0:15:22I saw the helicopter land. We've got the helicopter here. Yes.

0:15:22 > 0:15:25And the photographer was Albert Lane, he's been dead ten years

0:15:25 > 0:15:27and I acquired the negatives not so long ago.

0:15:27 > 0:15:31So you bring this photo in, and here is the group photo of The Beatles.

0:15:31 > 0:15:34We've got it again here... Who's this chap?

0:15:34 > 0:15:39This is my father and the original negative, that Stan owns, father's on the print.

0:15:39 > 0:15:41Bizarre, you didn't know each other? Not at all.

0:15:41 > 0:15:45Extraordinary! Your father was pictured here next to Ringo in the photo

0:15:45 > 0:15:48and he got The Beatles to sign the album on the day.

0:15:48 > 0:15:52Yes, and it got passed round again and Paul McCartney signed it again.

0:15:52 > 0:15:55So you've got Paul McCartney twice? Yeah. And who's Tina?

0:15:55 > 0:15:56My eldest sister...

0:15:56 > 0:16:02Does she know you've brought it along today? No, she knows we've got it, don't worry about that.

0:16:02 > 0:16:05Good and, I mean, this is a fantastic thing to have, have you had...?

0:16:05 > 0:16:08Have you an idea of its worth? Have you had valuations?

0:16:08 > 0:16:13We've had some offers from America, but not true valuations.

0:16:13 > 0:16:15What sort of money have they been offering?

0:16:15 > 0:16:17We've been offered £15,000 for it.

0:16:17 > 0:16:20My goodness, well, I think it's a very valuable thing.

0:16:20 > 0:16:22I suspect it might not make that,

0:16:22 > 0:16:24but a private collector would want it,

0:16:24 > 0:16:27and maybe someone from Abergavenny would want it.

0:16:27 > 0:16:29I'm on the warpath. Excellent, thanks.

0:16:30 > 0:16:35Signed by Persis... Persis Kirmse.

0:16:35 > 0:16:37Kirmse, is that how you say it? K I R M S E...

0:16:37 > 0:16:40And can you tell me about them? How did you get them?

0:16:40 > 0:16:41There were three sisters

0:16:41 > 0:16:45and I knew the youngest, who was 90-something when I first met her,

0:16:45 > 0:16:48and she was moving flat in Bath.

0:16:48 > 0:16:52Right. And I was asked by her cousin to go and help her to move

0:16:52 > 0:16:56to collect a whole lot of books that she had left with this friend, you see.

0:16:56 > 0:17:02And she'd got all these and she was literally throwing them out and she asked me if I'd like some.

0:17:02 > 0:17:06So I came away with oh, dozens and dozens and dozens.

0:17:06 > 0:17:09Because you really liked them? Well, she wanted rid of them.

0:17:09 > 0:17:11Was that it? She was going to a smaller flat

0:17:11 > 0:17:15and she had nowhere to put them, when I got home, I had nowhere to put them either,

0:17:15 > 0:17:19but I didn't think they would be of any interest at all.

0:17:19 > 0:17:23Well, I can only say what I love about them. And looking at this one,

0:17:23 > 0:17:27look at the expression on that dog's face. I know, it's wonderful.

0:17:27 > 0:17:33Not only is it beautifully drawn with all this detail, but the eyes, the eyes are beseeching

0:17:33 > 0:17:35and it is... It's lovely, isn't it?

0:17:35 > 0:17:40..a well-trained dog, he's got his arms open, he's ready to spring because he wants to go

0:17:40 > 0:17:46and in his eyes there's a kind of appeal and the drawing is just absolutely superb.

0:17:46 > 0:17:48And this little face here, look at him, he's...

0:17:48 > 0:17:51he's like a little whisky dog, isn't he?

0:17:51 > 0:17:53He's very appealing.

0:17:53 > 0:17:58These are very period pieces, in a way, you can see that they were probably done in the 1920s.

0:17:58 > 0:18:03And this is also a lovely one, look "Much wants more".

0:18:03 > 0:18:07This Siamese, you can see... He's got designs on what's up there.

0:18:07 > 0:18:10Well, he's been on the table and he's had the cream

0:18:10 > 0:18:13and knocked these plates and look he's had some fish

0:18:13 > 0:18:17and the whole, again it's the movement that attracts the eye.

0:18:17 > 0:18:19He's given it a lot of thought to get that recorded.

0:18:19 > 0:18:21They look as if they're...

0:18:21 > 0:18:23simply done with just a series of lines,

0:18:23 > 0:18:28but when you look at them, you realise how skilful they are. I'm glad I brought them.

0:18:28 > 0:18:30I think they're wonderful. Good.

0:18:31 > 0:18:33This is a lovely one. Do you like that one?

0:18:33 > 0:18:36Oh, I love it. This is "He is wise that is wary".

0:18:36 > 0:18:39Yeah. And this is a little fox cub, actually. Yes.

0:18:39 > 0:18:44And again the life in those little eyes and the nose... I know.

0:18:44 > 0:18:46It's wonderful.

0:18:46 > 0:18:51In the album, I would imagine from the size of it, there are perhaps about 30 or so.

0:18:51 > 0:18:53Yes, I haven't counted them.

0:18:53 > 0:18:58And just as an estimate, they've got to be worth in the region

0:18:58 > 0:19:00of a couple of thousand pounds. Oh, no. Really!

0:19:00 > 0:19:05For that many drawings and they're just so wonderful, in other words,

0:19:05 > 0:19:10they're varying perhaps between £50 - £100 each depending on the subjects.

0:19:10 > 0:19:13And I have burned dozens of them. Oh!

0:19:13 > 0:19:17I had too many, there was nowhere to put them,

0:19:17 > 0:19:20they were stored in a car in the garage.

0:19:20 > 0:19:23Do you know what sort of spoon? It's an apostle spoon.

0:19:23 > 0:19:27Absolutely, apostle spoon, the apostle we've got here, that's St Andrew.

0:19:27 > 0:19:30What is fascinating on this one

0:19:30 > 0:19:36is that we've got this lovely series of initials and that's the earliest set.

0:19:36 > 0:19:40You've got AE. So you've no idea who AE might be?

0:19:40 > 0:19:44No. No, that's AE conjoined.

0:19:44 > 0:19:52What we've got here is the date letter for London for 1634.

0:19:52 > 0:19:54Good grief, right.

0:19:54 > 0:19:56So we're Charles I. OK.

0:19:56 > 0:19:58Oh, and we actually know the maker in this case.

0:19:58 > 0:20:01The maker's mark, which is just there,

0:20:01 > 0:20:07is RC and that's been attributed to a chap called Richard Cross

0:20:07 > 0:20:12who was working in London in 1630s, 1640s, that sort of period,

0:20:12 > 0:20:16which is becoming quite a difficult period, we've got the Civil War looming,

0:20:16 > 0:20:23economic situation is changing and not the ideal period to be in silver.

0:20:23 > 0:20:27But spoons are so personal, they're the most personal of all pieces,

0:20:27 > 0:20:32so when you were baptised into a well-to-do family you got a silver spoon.

0:20:32 > 0:20:35With St Andrew on the top, it's a baptismal spoon,

0:20:35 > 0:20:38of course being born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

0:20:38 > 0:20:41The front of the bowl is a little bit thin there,

0:20:41 > 0:20:46it's clearly seen quite a bit of use. Used as a spoon you think, do you...?

0:20:46 > 0:20:49When you say "used", as a spoon? Oh, yes, used as a spoon,

0:20:49 > 0:20:52you see it where people have been opening tins with them

0:20:52 > 0:20:56and this is NOT a good idea, you get a crease right across the bowl.

0:20:56 > 0:20:58So you haven't been doing that? No.

0:20:58 > 0:21:00No, I can see you haven't been doing that.

0:21:00 > 0:21:03Only the top is gilded, which is normal for a spoon like this.

0:21:03 > 0:21:08Condition is going to pull its value down,

0:21:08 > 0:21:11because of this thin bowl front.

0:21:11 > 0:21:15In an auction, in this condition, Charles I...

0:21:15 > 0:21:18I think there would be an estimate of say...

0:21:18 > 0:21:24£1,500 - £2,000. I would insure it, perhaps, for slightly more than that.

0:21:24 > 0:21:26If it had been in tip-top condition

0:21:26 > 0:21:30we'd be talking more like £4,000 to £5,000 without any problem.

0:21:30 > 0:21:32But thank you so much for bringing it in.

0:21:32 > 0:21:34Thank you for the information.

0:21:34 > 0:21:37Well, do you have Scottish connections?

0:21:37 > 0:21:40Oh, gosh yes, my grandmother was Scottish.

0:21:40 > 0:21:43Well, this is a very typical Scottish clock

0:21:43 > 0:21:46of a type that they call a Scottish regulator.

0:21:46 > 0:21:53Now the word regulator, in terms of clocks, is used for clocks that were designed for precision time-keeping,

0:21:53 > 0:21:56they weren't for simple domestic use.

0:21:56 > 0:21:58They might have been used in an observatory

0:21:58 > 0:22:02or a jeweller's, where he would be adjusting other clocks.

0:22:02 > 0:22:05You do find them in private houses but as a general rule,

0:22:05 > 0:22:10the regulator was a precision instrument for semi-scientific purposes.

0:22:10 > 0:22:13In Scotland, they didn't take quite the same view of it, it seems,

0:22:13 > 0:22:17as we did in England, because the original regulator, English type,

0:22:17 > 0:22:23would have a separate dial for the hours, small dial for the hours, let's say there,

0:22:23 > 0:22:27the minute hand would be the whole dial and then the little dial for the seconds.

0:22:27 > 0:22:31But the Scottish never did that, they tended to have a conventional dial,

0:22:31 > 0:22:35hours and minutes, then you've got seconds at the top and you've got a calendar on it.

0:22:35 > 0:22:37Now the Bryson family...

0:22:37 > 0:22:42I think there was a Robert, two Roberts and an Alexander... were based in Edinburgh

0:22:42 > 0:22:48and they were probably the equivalent of the best clockmakers of England at their time.

0:22:48 > 0:22:52This one is probably by a Bryson working in about 1830

0:22:52 > 0:22:55and he specialised in clocks something of this type,

0:22:55 > 0:22:59again with the so-called regulator dial with the two hands,

0:22:59 > 0:23:03and he particularly liked these hands, these moon hands...

0:23:03 > 0:23:07Curved top although sometimes he did pedimented tops

0:23:07 > 0:23:12and this rather light coloured orangey look to mahogany.

0:23:12 > 0:23:16So it's a classic example of his work and it's an interesting thing to find in Wales.

0:23:16 > 0:23:19Thank you, I think it's handsome.

0:23:19 > 0:23:21Handsome, yes.

0:23:21 > 0:23:25A valuation, um, I would have said somewhere in the region of about...

0:23:25 > 0:23:29£4,000 something like that, perhaps five. Really?

0:23:29 > 0:23:31Crikey.

0:23:31 > 0:23:35Well, one thing the Victorians were good at

0:23:35 > 0:23:40was painting children. And here's a very delightful example.

0:23:40 > 0:23:44It's by a well-known artist for this type of subject, George Bernard O'Neill

0:23:44 > 0:23:46and here's his name here...

0:23:46 > 0:23:53Actually there's one "L" short, he has two "L"s, O'Neill, and as you might suspect, he's Irish,

0:23:53 > 0:23:57he was born in Dublin. Did you buy it, did you inherit it?

0:23:57 > 0:23:58No I inherited it.

0:23:58 > 0:24:02Yes. Always remembered, it's been a family piece. Who had it before?

0:24:02 > 0:24:04My mother. Your mother did? Yes.

0:24:04 > 0:24:08I see. Do you know anything about O'Neill...? No, I'm afraid I don't.

0:24:08 > 0:24:14Well, he was an Irish painter who settled in a village called Cranbrook in Kent.

0:24:14 > 0:24:19What this is, we can see from these flowers she's holding,

0:24:19 > 0:24:22the girl, this is May Day.

0:24:22 > 0:24:27It's May Day garlands and you know May Day used to be a big festival in the countryside

0:24:27 > 0:24:31and so in some ways this picture is social history,

0:24:31 > 0:24:35you know, as well, as painting. It's also beautifully painted

0:24:35 > 0:24:39and observed as a George O'Neill usually would be

0:24:39 > 0:24:41and it's signed down there.

0:24:41 > 0:24:42Oh, I.... It is signed.

0:24:42 > 0:24:48It is signed, in red, G B O'Neill with two "L"s you see, rightly.

0:24:48 > 0:24:50Quite rightly, yes.

0:24:50 > 0:24:55It's in a very pretty period frame too, I don't think it's ever been out of that frame

0:24:55 > 0:25:01and it's a really nice complete piece, you know, the picture, the frame, everything.

0:25:01 > 0:25:05It's a delightful thing and have you got it insured? No.

0:25:05 > 0:25:06We have to talk about value.

0:25:06 > 0:25:08No insurance at all? No insurance.

0:25:08 > 0:25:11No insurance at all? No. I think it should be insured.

0:25:11 > 0:25:16I think it's certainly going to be worth...

0:25:16 > 0:25:18£5,000.

0:25:18 > 0:25:22It would certainly make that, I think it might make more, £6,000 or £7,000.

0:25:22 > 0:25:27It's a really delightful little picture so I think insurance you've got to think about...

0:25:28 > 0:25:32..£7,500. Seven and a half... You have.

0:25:32 > 0:25:34And thank you. Thank you so much.

0:25:36 > 0:25:39I brought the drawer, I couldn't bring the whole thing

0:25:39 > 0:25:43so I just brought you the drawer to see and I brought a photograph as well.

0:25:43 > 0:25:46Don't show me the photograph, see if I can guess what it is. OK.

0:25:46 > 0:25:50Well, the date I think is easiest, Georgian, mid 18th-century,

0:25:50 > 0:25:53lovely piece of mahogany, lovely original brass handle there,

0:25:53 > 0:25:57so 1750, George II. Now what is it from?

0:25:57 > 0:26:00Let's see if we can guess, lovely oak linings to it -

0:26:00 > 0:26:04is it a desk, like a bureau, a flat-topped bureau? No.

0:26:04 > 0:26:08Chest of drawers? Tallboy...!

0:26:09 > 0:26:12Bingo. There you are. Look at that, how's that?

0:26:12 > 0:26:13It's a lovely piece.

0:26:13 > 0:26:15Michael, what do you think of these?

0:26:15 > 0:26:19They're very unusual. Very heavy, extraordinary things...

0:26:19 > 0:26:21Swiss-made, I suppose what, Victorian?

0:26:21 > 0:26:23I should think they're quite valuable.

0:26:23 > 0:26:25Well, it would be...

0:26:25 > 0:26:27if it was genuine.

0:26:27 > 0:26:31Ah. And you can't believe what you see, sadly.

0:26:31 > 0:26:37But, you know, as a genuine piece, it's worth £500, £600, but it's all lies.

0:26:37 > 0:26:38How do you know? How do I know?

0:26:38 > 0:26:42Well, the quality is where I think it's all given away.

0:26:42 > 0:26:46They've both got, or should both have rings on them,

0:26:46 > 0:26:47this one's already lost its ring.

0:26:47 > 0:26:51It comes off pretty easily, very very flimsy quality

0:26:51 > 0:26:56and if you feel it, the quality of turning and casting is very sharp,

0:26:56 > 0:27:00if it had been around for 100, 120 - 130 years it would be you know, nice

0:27:00 > 0:27:03and it would have a patina to it and just feel worn.

0:27:03 > 0:27:08This is all dead sharp, razor sharp, they're worth £30 - £40 each.

0:27:08 > 0:27:10Where are they from?

0:27:10 > 0:27:14They're from India. India. Yeah, yeah.

0:27:14 > 0:27:19This is a love token, now if you gave your loved one a token you want it to be the closest thing to your heart.

0:27:19 > 0:27:22Ah, yes. So this is a piece of corsetry.

0:27:22 > 0:27:24Is it, really? And it's called a stay busk.

0:27:24 > 0:27:27Stay busk... So it was probably made by a sailor.

0:27:27 > 0:27:29Did you have anybody in your family at sea?

0:27:29 > 0:27:31Well, I had an uncle who was a sea-captain,

0:27:31 > 0:27:35but this certainly didn't belong to that side of the family.

0:27:35 > 0:27:41Right, well, what I really like about this piece is the romance about it, of course. Yes.

0:27:41 > 0:27:47But what's extraordinary about it, it actually has these wonderful scenes engraved all the way down.

0:27:47 > 0:27:49Well, well. From top to bottom.

0:27:49 > 0:27:52And what collectors get excited about are whaling scenes.

0:27:52 > 0:27:56I see. And if you just see here, you can see the whaling ship... Yes.

0:27:56 > 0:28:00..the long boats and you can just see the whales here, with the flags on them.

0:28:00 > 0:28:04They've actually tinted it red to show the blood in the water. I see.

0:28:04 > 0:28:08In the background you can see the pinnacles of the Pacific Islands. Yes.

0:28:08 > 0:28:11This design is exquisite, it's in fantastic condition,

0:28:11 > 0:28:13it has the romance of being a love token.

0:28:13 > 0:28:16At auction, I could see this making between...

0:28:16 > 0:28:17£1,500 and £2,000.

0:28:17 > 0:28:19My word!

0:28:19 > 0:28:21He must have loved her a lot.

0:28:21 > 0:28:23He must have.

0:28:23 > 0:28:28It's a very dramatic necklace, loads of colour, what was the first occasion on which you saw it?

0:28:28 > 0:28:32It's always been in the family, my parents collected a lot of antiques

0:28:32 > 0:28:36and jewellery during the '40s and '50s so it has always been around.

0:28:36 > 0:28:39Right. And my mother gave it to me for my 21st birthday.

0:28:39 > 0:28:40It's a very handsome gift.

0:28:40 > 0:28:44Blazing with colour and scintillation and refraction

0:28:44 > 0:28:48and all kinds of yummy things like that. Have you ever thought about its origins?

0:28:48 > 0:28:51I mean what...what did you think when you first saw it?

0:28:51 > 0:28:54I just assumed it was another piece of Victorian jewellery,

0:28:54 > 0:28:56but a particularly lovely one.

0:28:56 > 0:28:59I think, well, it is particularly lovely...

0:28:59 > 0:29:02and I think it is made for a Victorian lady, but it's made in the Far East.

0:29:02 > 0:29:05There's aspects of the gem-cutting that tell me that

0:29:05 > 0:29:08also this loop in loop chain work

0:29:08 > 0:29:13is very much part of... almost tribal tradition, really, of weaving gold.

0:29:13 > 0:29:17So I'm wondering whether this isn't Ceylonese or Indian or something like that.

0:29:17 > 0:29:20Now have you done any work about finding out which stone is which?

0:29:20 > 0:29:24No, I know that the moonstones and the opal, but the others...

0:29:24 > 0:29:27I think agate, but the others, I don't know.

0:29:27 > 0:29:28Quite tricky, to be honest.

0:29:28 > 0:29:31This is a hessonite garnet and that's a star ruby

0:29:31 > 0:29:34and this we know, only too well, as an opal

0:29:34 > 0:29:37and a moonstone and an amethyst

0:29:37 > 0:29:39and a perfect...

0:29:39 > 0:29:41well, perfectly beautiful...sapphire.

0:29:41 > 0:29:44Perhaps not a terribly valuable sapphire,

0:29:44 > 0:29:46but a lovely pleasing colour here.

0:29:46 > 0:29:48And another sapphire here and turquoise...

0:29:48 > 0:29:51Those in-between, I haven't got a clue what they are.

0:29:51 > 0:29:55Really? Strangely, they're not necessarily terribly valuable stones.

0:29:55 > 0:30:00No. But they are very beautiful and as to value... Heaven only knows, how do we value that?

0:30:00 > 0:30:05Um, I suppose sit down in a rather mechanical way, try to guess the weight of these stones.

0:30:05 > 0:30:10I don't think that's the way. I think it's a hugely decorative and wearable thing...

0:30:10 > 0:30:12You've been wearing it. On occasion, yes.

0:30:12 > 0:30:14What occasion was that?

0:30:14 > 0:30:18I wore it when I got married and, on a few occasions, for anniversaries.

0:30:18 > 0:30:20Ah, that's a lovely thing to do with it.

0:30:20 > 0:30:22Would it frighten you if I said

0:30:22 > 0:30:24that it was worth about £8,000?

0:30:24 > 0:30:26Oh, yes, it would definitely frighten me.

0:30:26 > 0:30:30Don't be frightened, it's the same necklace and it's beautiful.

0:30:30 > 0:30:36I've never seen these before, these little metal straps and, look, there's one in each corner. Yes.

0:30:36 > 0:30:40They're lovely, they're hand-made nails, it's just a bit of extra tension.

0:30:40 > 0:30:43Are they? Holding the legs, the apron, together...

0:30:43 > 0:30:46Really? Normally you'd expect some blocking in there.

0:30:46 > 0:30:49Yes. Like...Victorian chair blocking or something...

0:30:49 > 0:30:52You've got blocking here, so like that, but larger, I'd expect.

0:30:52 > 0:30:55But this is novel, very unusual and charming,

0:30:55 > 0:30:59I mean, it's the fun of furniture, it's the fun of what you discover.

0:30:59 > 0:31:0130 years looking at furniture, I've never seen that.

0:31:01 > 0:31:03Do you know what date this is?

0:31:03 > 0:31:07Well, I've been told it's George, either George III or II. Right.

0:31:07 > 0:31:10That would be 1780-90.

0:31:10 > 0:31:14Yes, or possibly we're looking at even earlier than that. Really?

0:31:14 > 0:31:16I think earlier rather than later Georgian. Oh.

0:31:16 > 0:31:20Do you feel strong enough to put it back on its...up on its feet?

0:31:20 > 0:31:23Oh, it's solid, isn't it? It is very solid.

0:31:23 > 0:31:27I love that, so tell me where did you get it, and when?

0:31:27 > 0:31:31I bought it at auction in about 1965. Right.

0:31:31 > 0:31:33For £5.

0:31:33 > 0:31:35£5? £5.

0:31:35 > 0:31:36£5, right, right.

0:31:36 > 0:31:38And we use it as a dining table.

0:31:38 > 0:31:41So you use it as a dining table, of course, it's meant as a side table.

0:31:41 > 0:31:45Yes, I wondered about that, I was told it could be a side table.

0:31:45 > 0:31:47It's meant as a serving or side table,

0:31:47 > 0:31:50but the fact it's on all four sides is unusual

0:31:50 > 0:31:52and I can't immediately think why.

0:31:52 > 0:31:55You've got this lovely moulding under here

0:31:55 > 0:31:59and it's all cracking, which is what I like to see, again,

0:31:59 > 0:32:02you can run your nail along there and, clearly, it's cross banded. Yes.

0:32:02 > 0:32:06It's old, it's beginning to dry out and the movement just going,

0:32:06 > 0:32:11the wood going a little bit concave, and this lovely chamfered leg. Yes.

0:32:11 > 0:32:14Typical of...I said 1750, I'm going to go a bit later...

0:32:14 > 0:32:20You were right, yes, I was wrong, you were right, it's about 1770 or '80 is probably more correct.

0:32:20 > 0:32:22So you've given me a real headache now,

0:32:22 > 0:32:25£5 is not much of a hint to what it might be worth today.

0:32:25 > 0:32:27I can see it going into an auction at let's say...

0:32:27 > 0:32:30£2,000 to £3,000, something like that.

0:32:30 > 0:32:33But that would be wrong because I don't think it's enough.

0:32:33 > 0:32:37I think people would look at it and say, "It's just a side table."

0:32:37 > 0:32:40It's a smart and sophisticated piece of furniture,

0:32:40 > 0:32:42so I think even if it was at £2,000 or £3,000,

0:32:42 > 0:32:44I can see it going up

0:32:44 > 0:32:46to £3,000 or £4,000 at auction.

0:32:46 > 0:32:50So I think just re...not repolished but polished up a little bit,

0:32:50 > 0:32:56cleaned up a little bit and tidied up a little bit in a sort of London showroom or a big antique centre,

0:32:56 > 0:33:01I can see this with a retail price ie, what I mean by that is, what you should be insuring it for... Yes.

0:33:01 > 0:33:04..£8,000. That's very nice to hear.

0:33:04 > 0:33:06Thank you very much indeed. Excellent...

0:33:06 > 0:33:10This is my uncle's teddy. Uncle's? Yes. And how old do you think he is?

0:33:10 > 0:33:14Well, my father who was the younger of two brothers,

0:33:14 > 0:33:19was born in 1910 so I guess it's somewhere between 1907 and 1910.

0:33:19 > 0:33:22Well, absolutely spot on, it's about 1910 in date,

0:33:22 > 0:33:27but the most exciting thing about this lovely little teddy is...

0:33:27 > 0:33:29that he's a Steiff bear.

0:33:29 > 0:33:32You can tell that by that little label in his ear.

0:33:32 > 0:33:35And he's got all the right credentials of being an early Steiff bear.

0:33:35 > 0:33:40He's got these eyes here, which are these little button eyes.

0:33:40 > 0:33:42And if we look round to the side,

0:33:42 > 0:33:43he's got this, again,

0:33:43 > 0:33:45characteristic bump on his back

0:33:45 > 0:33:46and it's also straw-filled.

0:33:46 > 0:33:50Oh, is it? And I've also noticed we have a bit of damage here.

0:33:50 > 0:33:54Yes, afraid so... That's fine, he's been around for quite some time.

0:33:54 > 0:33:56If we were to sell him we could put him to auction,

0:33:56 > 0:33:59he's going to be worth... £1,200 to £1,500.

0:33:59 > 0:34:01That much? Yes.

0:34:01 > 0:34:03Superb! Isn't that fantastic?

0:34:03 > 0:34:06Yes, I didn't expect that much.

0:34:06 > 0:34:12I have to say, one of my favourite designs of sauce boat, I mean, this wonderful movement.

0:34:12 > 0:34:17Very hot...if you use them as gravy boats, which we do... Right. ..gosh they get hot.

0:34:17 > 0:34:20Remember, you're not supposed to pick them up.

0:34:20 > 0:34:24Ah. You're supposed to have them on a salver and have a ladle

0:34:24 > 0:34:29and you ladle the sauce out, you don't pour the sauce. We've been pouring it.

0:34:29 > 0:34:33No, when they were originally made, that's how they would have done it. Oh.

0:34:33 > 0:34:40But these were first made around the 1740s, that sort of period, 1730s-'40s.

0:34:40 > 0:34:44Yes. And particularly by leading goldsmiths of that period

0:34:44 > 0:34:50and if we look here...we've actually got the marks...of Barnard.

0:34:50 > 0:34:54You can recognise that? Yes, the marks are a little indistinct. Yes.

0:34:54 > 0:34:59But I can certainly read them, actually if you huff on the surface it makes them much easier to see.

0:34:59 > 0:35:02Right, So we're back to the trade again.

0:35:02 > 0:35:03Oh, absolutely...

0:35:03 > 0:35:08What we've got there, as I say, Barnard's maker's mark and Barnard,

0:35:08 > 0:35:12very good maker of the 19th century. And the date letter...

0:35:12 > 0:35:16you can just make that out, so it's all there. Right.

0:35:16 > 0:35:19And it's actually 1821. Is it, is it?

0:35:19 > 0:35:23So what we're actually seeing here is rococo revival.

0:35:23 > 0:35:30And interesting rococo revival because they're actually doing a pure, a straight, a very pure copy.

0:35:30 > 0:35:34In fact, when I saw those sitting there,

0:35:34 > 0:35:37I thought, "Gosh are they by Welland,"

0:35:37 > 0:35:39I mean they are THAT good as copies.

0:35:39 > 0:35:45Yes. Just look at that, the way that edge, how it goes along, folds in,

0:35:45 > 0:35:48and then where the handle joins the body...

0:35:48 > 0:35:51This wonderful shaped handle and do you see there?

0:35:51 > 0:35:55It's always a weak point where the handle joins the body. Oh, right.

0:35:55 > 0:35:58But can you see how he's put that shell round there?

0:35:58 > 0:36:00Yes. That spreads the stress.

0:36:00 > 0:36:02Makes a really good join. Be soldered, would it?

0:36:02 > 0:36:08Oh, it's all soldered together. I would say today you'd have to insure those for about...

0:36:08 > 0:36:10£5,000.

0:36:10 > 0:36:12For the pair? For the pair... Good heavens!

0:36:12 > 0:36:15For the pair, yes. Not quite free...

0:36:15 > 0:36:20So let's swap them round, let's have a look at these others.

0:36:20 > 0:36:23Now these are quite dinky. Yes, pretty little things.

0:36:23 > 0:36:25What's the background?

0:36:25 > 0:36:28Well, they, I think, have come down on my father's side

0:36:28 > 0:36:31through my great-grandfather who was a silversmith.

0:36:31 > 0:36:38Probably those appeared through some transaction they were involved in, you know, being in the trade.

0:36:38 > 0:36:41Right. They must have come through his hands, I feel.

0:36:41 > 0:36:49That's interesting. Now the size, of course, in the 18th century would actually be that of a cream boat.

0:36:49 > 0:36:52That's what I, sort of, rather thought they were.

0:36:52 > 0:36:54Yeah. But... But...

0:36:54 > 0:36:56But...and this is a very big but.

0:36:56 > 0:37:00Yes. I think we have a bit of a problem here.

0:37:01 > 0:37:07Now we've got two sets of marks, quite...

0:37:07 > 0:37:10This one, which is actually for 1735. Right.

0:37:10 > 0:37:14And with this one we've actually got marks of 1736.

0:37:14 > 0:37:19Actually that in itself, there's not a great problem with that,

0:37:19 > 0:37:23sometimes things could be going into the assay office the next day.

0:37:23 > 0:37:24Yes, yes.

0:37:24 > 0:37:28Um, the maker's mark I have to say, is quite interesting.

0:37:28 > 0:37:31Oh, well, I'm glad you can recognise it, I...

0:37:31 > 0:37:35The maker's mark, you can see it just there. Yes.

0:37:35 > 0:37:37Paul de Lamerie.

0:37:37 > 0:37:39Paul de Lamerie? Great.

0:37:39 > 0:37:41However, I have to say,

0:37:41 > 0:37:44I don't think Paul de Lamerie would recognise this.

0:37:44 > 0:37:48Oh. Because I don't think, for one moment, that he made them.

0:37:48 > 0:37:51Oh. How does he get his stamp on it then?

0:37:51 > 0:37:53Well, this is where...

0:37:53 > 0:37:57I say they really are, to my mind, they're rather naughty.

0:37:57 > 0:37:59Oh, are they? Yes.

0:37:59 > 0:38:02Makes them much more interesting then.

0:38:02 > 0:38:05Well, yes, it also makes them highly illegal.

0:38:05 > 0:38:10But let me just explain why I think they're wrong. Yes.

0:38:10 > 0:38:15There are various things about them, first of all the proportions...

0:38:15 > 0:38:17It's a very odd proportion.

0:38:17 > 0:38:20Oh! Remember what I was saying about the handles. Yes.

0:38:20 > 0:38:23Now look at that handle. No good.

0:38:23 > 0:38:27There's no really good join at that point. Yeah, yeah.

0:38:27 > 0:38:30That's a very ordinary way of joining up a handle like that.

0:38:30 > 0:38:33Right. I couldn't... I've never seen Lamerie do that.

0:38:33 > 0:38:35No, right.

0:38:35 > 0:38:42I've also never seen Lamerie put a really poor wire like that round the top edge.

0:38:42 > 0:38:45Oh. That just isn't right. Yes.

0:38:45 > 0:38:47It's not right for the period, let alone for Lamerie.

0:38:47 > 0:38:51Then, underneath the handle...

0:38:52 > 0:38:56just when you breathe on it you can see there's some solder marks there,

0:38:56 > 0:39:00something's... Been changed, has it? Well, something's been going on.

0:39:00 > 0:39:05Now those legs, funnily enough, do look somewhat "Lamerieish." Oh.

0:39:05 > 0:39:08What I suspect...

0:39:08 > 0:39:16What I suspect, is that somebody's got hold of something like a pair of salt cellars

0:39:16 > 0:39:20because that's the right size for the leg of a salt cellar... Yes.

0:39:20 > 0:39:22..by somebody like Lamerie,

0:39:22 > 0:39:26and they would have almost certainly have been circular salt cellars. Yes.

0:39:26 > 0:39:32And then they've reshaped the body to make them into something they felt was far more interesting and useful.

0:39:32 > 0:39:37Yes. Certainly, my recommendation is those go down to Antiques Plate Committee.

0:39:37 > 0:39:41Do you think Paul de Lamerie had something to do with it originally then?

0:39:41 > 0:39:42I suspect, well, my suspicion is,

0:39:42 > 0:39:46they may have been Paul de Lamerie salt cellars. Mm, mm.

0:39:46 > 0:39:52And... but they've been altered from those, they've been worked and, of course, that makes them illegal.

0:39:52 > 0:39:54Value as of this moment...

0:39:54 > 0:39:58nothing apart from scrap value... Assuming I'm right. Yes.

0:39:58 > 0:40:03They may surprise me and come back as genuine,

0:40:03 > 0:40:06but I don't think they're going to, for one moment.

0:40:06 > 0:40:13Simply because they cannot legally be sold, so these need to go to Antiques Plate Committee.

0:40:13 > 0:40:17Perhaps that's why Grandfather took them home, in other words...

0:40:17 > 0:40:19I think you've got it. He might have...

0:40:19 > 0:40:22He realised they were wrong. Yes, and he thought...

0:40:22 > 0:40:24And of course, didn't want to sell them. No.

0:40:24 > 0:40:27In fact, if he had sold them at that time and put his name on,

0:40:27 > 0:40:31he would have been then in line for 14 years in prison.

0:40:31 > 0:40:33It's come down a bit now. I might have to serve it now.

0:40:33 > 0:40:35I think it's about ten years now.

0:40:35 > 0:40:39Long before Crimewatch UK was invented

0:40:39 > 0:40:44the British public took a terrific interest in crime. Right.

0:40:44 > 0:40:46And as I'm sure you know,

0:40:46 > 0:40:51this depicts the scene of a very famous 19th-century crime. Yeah.

0:40:51 > 0:40:54The Red Barn and who were the characters?

0:40:54 > 0:40:58I thought it was Maria Marten and...

0:40:58 > 0:41:02James Rush and Emily Sandford and I can't remember who murdered who,

0:41:02 > 0:41:04but here we have...

0:41:04 > 0:41:09The potter seized the idea and they make this model.

0:41:09 > 0:41:12Really in 1829, this is it,

0:41:12 > 0:41:14hot from the press.

0:41:14 > 0:41:17The view of the barn where it all took place.

0:41:17 > 0:41:19Is this a family thing?

0:41:19 > 0:41:24Yeah, my wife actually inherited it in 1986 when her father died

0:41:24 > 0:41:26and he had it from my wife's grandmother

0:41:26 > 0:41:31and as far as we're aware it's been in the family since the late 1800s.

0:41:31 > 0:41:35So...well, maybe they were involved with it. Well, they used to live...

0:41:35 > 0:41:36Possibly...

0:41:36 > 0:41:40Knowing my mother-in-law, quite possibly, yeah.

0:41:40 > 0:41:42And they knew all about the story, did they?

0:41:42 > 0:41:46Yes, they did yes, it was fairly taboo as far as the wife was concerned.

0:41:46 > 0:41:52This was on the mantelpiece and when the children asked about it, nobody would tell them...

0:41:52 > 0:41:54Oh, they weren't... ..the background.

0:41:54 > 0:41:57Probably because of murders and mistresses and...

0:41:57 > 0:42:00All that salacious stuff. Yes, yes, indeed.

0:42:00 > 0:42:03Now this is quite amazing,

0:42:03 > 0:42:06this is a very rare group.

0:42:06 > 0:42:07I would have said, I...

0:42:07 > 0:42:10yet in the last 18 months,

0:42:10 > 0:42:13four examples of it have appeared on the market.

0:42:13 > 0:42:15So...

0:42:15 > 0:42:20and we actually have quite a good snapshot of what this kind of thing is currently worth.

0:42:21 > 0:42:28And I think the most damaged one fetched somewhat more than £3,000.

0:42:28 > 0:42:32I'm glad I'm sitting down. And the most perfect one

0:42:32 > 0:42:36fetched something around £7,000.

0:42:36 > 0:42:39Now, your one has a bit of nibbles to the trees.

0:42:39 > 0:42:41Yeah.

0:42:41 > 0:42:42Which I am glad to see

0:42:42 > 0:42:46you haven't had fixed up, I think it would be silly to do so.

0:42:46 > 0:42:52So, I think, being prudent we would, should say that probably this today

0:42:52 > 0:42:54is worth something between

0:42:54 > 0:42:57£3,500 and £5,000, allowing for the...

0:42:57 > 0:43:00The damage, right.

0:43:00 > 0:43:06So, you see, this is a case where crime evidently pays. Yeah.

0:43:08 > 0:43:11And there we must leave the scene of the crime.

0:43:11 > 0:43:16As we do a runner, many thanks to the folk of the Abergavenny Leisure Centre for providing our cover.

0:43:16 > 0:43:18Until next time, goodbye.

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