0:00:35 > 0:00:37As you'll have learned over the years,
0:00:37 > 0:00:41the Roadshow team in its search for antiques and the stories behind them
0:00:41 > 0:00:43would go to the ends of the Earth.
0:00:45 > 0:00:47This week, in fact, we have.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50Any further, and we'd be on our way home.
0:00:50 > 0:00:55Welcome to a very special edition of the Antiques Roadshow Down Under.
0:00:57 > 0:01:01The first view of Sydney, one of the world's most famous skylines,
0:01:01 > 0:01:03lifts the heart of every traveller.
0:01:03 > 0:01:08It's a far cry from the day in 1788 when soldiers escorted ashore
0:01:08 > 0:01:12a bunch of bewildered Brits, no longer welcome in their own country.
0:01:12 > 0:01:16They arrived in Sydney with just enough luggage for a one-way trip.
0:01:20 > 0:01:23Sydney today sums up Australia.
0:01:23 > 0:01:26Vibrant, youthful and energetic.
0:01:26 > 0:01:32Which doesn't quite explain the huge popularity here of the Antiques Roadshow!
0:01:32 > 0:01:34But this is a young country.
0:01:34 > 0:01:35Shall we see many antiques?
0:01:35 > 0:01:38The short answer to that is - you bet.
0:01:40 > 0:01:42When the first Europeans stumbled inland,
0:01:42 > 0:01:44they found plants and creatures
0:01:44 > 0:01:47the like of which they'd never seen before.
0:01:50 > 0:01:54Their fascination with the exotic flora and fauna of the New World
0:01:54 > 0:01:57found its way into early 19th-century art.
0:01:59 > 0:02:05The work of those gifted migrants is now highly sought after Australiana.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13And there's plenty of the old Georgian-Victorian stuff too.
0:02:13 > 0:02:17The well-to-do people who were sent out to govern the new colony
0:02:17 > 0:02:20had unlimited luggage allowances.
0:02:20 > 0:02:25Sydney homes like Elizabeth Bay House were as fine as any in Europe.
0:02:27 > 0:02:29Sydney is the gateway to the Pacific,
0:02:29 > 0:02:33which makes it the natural habitat of collectors keen on artefacts
0:02:33 > 0:02:40from Asia, Melanesia, and of course Australian Aboriginal.
0:02:40 > 0:02:45The dusty open landscape, the endless variety of tribal designs
0:02:45 > 0:02:50and unique wildlife are part of this country's extraordinary heritage.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56On our visit we're hoping to get a flavour of it all.
0:03:00 > 0:03:03Sydney University has been catering for students
0:03:03 > 0:03:05from all over the world since 1850.
0:03:05 > 0:03:10Today, fans of the Roadshow have flocked here to meet a bunch of British experts
0:03:10 > 0:03:14and a team of Australia's top antiquarians.
0:03:15 > 0:03:19When they knew we were coming, over 20,000 people applied for tickets.
0:03:19 > 0:03:22We have a lot to live up to.
0:03:24 > 0:03:29And all valuations will be in both the British Pound and the Australian Dollar.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32Highland cattle in a Scottish Glen.
0:03:32 > 0:03:37Many Australians - reminded them of home. Is this a piece that's family in that respect?
0:03:37 > 0:03:40No, it's not, no, I found it actually in an opportunity shop.
0:03:40 > 0:03:45- An opportunity shop. What's that? - Like a Salvation Army shop.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48- How long ago was that? - About 12 months, yes.
0:03:48 > 0:03:50And dare I say, how much you gave for it?
0:03:50 > 0:03:5230.
0:03:52 > 0:03:54For a vase like this? 30?
0:03:54 > 0:03:57Right. And did you know what you were buying?
0:03:57 > 0:04:00No, no, I didn't know. And the reason I bought it
0:04:00 > 0:04:06was because I saw this as gold and I thought that's got to be gold, that's it, that's all I knew.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09Wonderful. Right, looking at the piece itself - exciting to me -
0:04:09 > 0:04:12because it's made at Worcester where I come from,
0:04:12 > 0:04:15painted by... the signature of the artist there,
0:04:15 > 0:04:17H Stinton, that's Harry Stinton.
0:04:17 > 0:04:20A great generation of painters at the Worcester factory.
0:04:20 > 0:04:22He specialised in Highland scenes,
0:04:22 > 0:04:26Highland cattle there in the misty atmospheric scenes.
0:04:26 > 0:04:31We did Antiques Roadshow up in Scotland and I saw his work there,
0:04:31 > 0:04:35and it seemed at home, but somehow it really appealed to collectors in Australia.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37A lot of these were bought by families
0:04:37 > 0:04:40- who would have moved from Scotland.- OK.
0:04:40 > 0:04:44They probably bought this when it was new and it went out of favour.
0:04:44 > 0:04:47The year it was made is from this code here,
0:04:47 > 0:04:50- that's the year code for 1958.- OK.
0:04:50 > 0:04:53Harry was a grand old man by that date.
0:04:53 > 0:04:58He was in his 90s then, but still painting, still doing the scenes.
0:04:58 > 0:05:01His eyesight was going so his later work is a bit Impressionist.
0:05:01 > 0:05:04He couldn't see so well. But that's some of his nicest work.
0:05:04 > 0:05:09So bought in the 1950s, went out of fashion and given to a charity shop,
0:05:09 > 0:05:14where you bought a wonderful vase. And it looks in lovely condition.
0:05:14 > 0:05:17Sometimes they came as pairs, often there were two of them.
0:05:17 > 0:05:21- They didn't have the other one in the shop?- Yes, the other one is at home.
0:05:21 > 0:05:25But it's not as good a condition as what that is.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28It's chipped here, chipped on this part here.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32- So a pair of them, at 30?- Yes.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35Shouldn't be allowed! Oh, dear, oh, dear!
0:05:35 > 0:05:37I mean, these are seriously expensive now.
0:05:37 > 0:05:41They were costly when they were painted. They were expensive,
0:05:41 > 0:05:44they were sold in jewellers' shops and collectors' shops,
0:05:44 > 0:05:46because people loved the quality of Royal Worcester.
0:05:46 > 0:05:50- Today, collectors go mad for these. - Do they?
0:05:50 > 0:05:55And so, I mean, a pair with one chip are going to be 7,000, 8,000.
0:05:55 > 0:05:57Oh! Sorry...
0:05:59 > 0:06:05Yes, I mean, £3,000 for a pair of vases by Harry Stinton
0:06:05 > 0:06:06and you got them for 30?
0:06:06 > 0:06:08Yes.
0:06:08 > 0:06:13- Isn't that nice?- Yes!- Just because you liked the gold.- Yes.
0:06:13 > 0:06:14Oh, my God!
0:06:18 > 0:06:23Look at this broad and open panorama of Sydney in about 1820.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27It's amazing, and we can see that it's got a nice signature down there.
0:06:27 > 0:06:30Major Taylor of the 48th Regiment.
0:06:30 > 0:06:33I think it's amazing, can you take me through it?
0:06:33 > 0:06:35- Lead me through it, so if we start over here.- OK.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37Clearing some ground by the looks of it.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40It looks like they're making something.
0:06:40 > 0:06:43They've got blocks and they're probably building a house.
0:06:43 > 0:06:48- They're going down into foundations, so...- And gardening here, subsistence farming.
0:06:48 > 0:06:50- They had to feed themselves. - Vegetables, yes.
0:06:50 > 0:06:54Because the boats would only come at very irregular intervals,
0:06:54 > 0:06:57and it's very hard to grow stuff here. This soil is very sandy
0:06:57 > 0:07:01- and it's not really good for growing crops.- Yes.
0:07:01 > 0:07:04So here's Sydney Cove which is where the first fleet landed.
0:07:04 > 0:07:10And they literally, the town grew up running along the stream,
0:07:10 > 0:07:13so the people could be close to it for sanitation or whatever.
0:07:13 > 0:07:17- Everything you needed.- But they also threw everything in there,
0:07:17 > 0:07:20so before long it was completely contaminated.
0:07:20 > 0:07:24Unlike Sydney Harbour now, one of the cleanest harbours I've seen.
0:07:24 > 0:07:25A lot of work's gone into that.
0:07:25 > 0:07:30- One of the good things the government's done.- And what's that?
0:07:30 > 0:07:33I would say that's a kangaroo but it looks more like a mongoose.
0:07:33 > 0:07:38For a long time the animals weren't drawn properly because they weren't quick enough.
0:07:38 > 0:07:42- Like Muybridge and horses. - That's right, with the legs at the same time, yes.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45There are lots of windmills across this vista.
0:07:45 > 0:07:50- Presumably that was for wheat? - Yes, to make bread.
0:07:50 > 0:07:52I love this fellow doing his washing.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55We've got chickens, so it wasn't so bad, life wasn't...
0:07:55 > 0:07:58No, this would be a very jazzed-up version of what it was like,
0:07:58 > 0:08:01because this picture was sent back to England to say,
0:08:01 > 0:08:04"Aren't we doing well? Don't give up. Send money."
0:08:04 > 0:08:08- Send money!- They wanted the government to support the colony.
0:08:08 > 0:08:11The currency at that time was rum!
0:08:11 > 0:08:14But you can see they've built the jail up here.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18- Yeah, very important building.- Very important. It looks terribly small.
0:08:18 > 0:08:22- Half the population in there at one point.- At some stage, yes.
0:08:22 > 0:08:24I'll get into trouble for saying that!
0:08:24 > 0:08:27- Oh, no, we're pretty proud of our heritage now.- Good.
0:08:27 > 0:08:33And the Mint and the hospital. They're all heritage listed and still standing.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36Yes, and then you've got some genuine Aborigines here.
0:08:36 > 0:08:38Who wouldn't have been clothed.
0:08:38 > 0:08:42But they've been dressed up for the British, to make it look like...
0:08:42 > 0:08:46- It's incredible.- Well, you know, all these people looking so healthy
0:08:46 > 0:08:49and there's so much vegetation, it's really not true.
0:08:49 > 0:08:52You can tell the entire history of the city from this one print.
0:08:52 > 0:08:55Well, in terms of value,
0:08:55 > 0:08:59in better condition one might hope to see it at 2,000 or 3,000,
0:08:59 > 0:09:03in an auction perhaps, so it could still do that.
0:09:03 > 0:09:05But it might have to be rather a good day.
0:09:05 > 0:09:09That's about £1,000, £1,500, that sort of thing.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13Oh, that's good, that's excellent. My parents will be thrilled.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16Do you know, I come all the way to Australia
0:09:16 > 0:09:19and I find myself confronted with something
0:09:19 > 0:09:24that started off life in America, in New York, to be precise.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27Because there are no prizes for anybody watching
0:09:27 > 0:09:30for saying, "Oh, look, there's a Tiffany lamp."
0:09:30 > 0:09:33But having said that, to be perfectly frank,
0:09:33 > 0:09:37for every shade and base of this type that I come across,
0:09:37 > 0:09:4090% were never made by Tiffany.
0:09:40 > 0:09:44In fact, an awful lot of these have been made in the last 30 years
0:09:44 > 0:09:47to sort of satiate the demand.
0:09:47 > 0:09:52You were nobody unless you had a Tiffany lamp on your sideboard.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55So... But this has got a bit of a history to it.
0:09:55 > 0:10:00Yes, in the 1950s, my mother and her sister
0:10:00 > 0:10:04were fossicking around in a very dark and dingy junk shop...
0:10:04 > 0:10:07- They were doing what? - Fossicking.- Fossicking?
0:10:07 > 0:10:12- Yes, looking.- We'll get subtitles for that for the British viewer, OK?
0:10:12 > 0:10:17Fossicking is when you're scratching around looking for treasure
0:10:17 > 0:10:19like gold nuggets and opals in the mines of Australia.
0:10:19 > 0:10:23- Rummaging's another word. - That'll do.- I'm with you.
0:10:23 > 0:10:26In a junk shop, a "junk shop" in Derbyshire
0:10:26 > 0:10:31and they found a nice-shaped lamp which was unrecognisable.
0:10:31 > 0:10:37It was dirty, it was dark, but they decided that with a bit of a polish up, it might be a nice lamp.
0:10:37 > 0:10:41They took it home and my mother discovered the Tiffany things.
0:10:41 > 0:10:45- They paid fifty shillings for it. Yes, that was...you know.- Yeah.
0:10:45 > 0:10:49It's subsequently come down to me and they lugged it out to Australia
0:10:49 > 0:10:52to bring it to me, what, nearly 50 years ago.
0:10:52 > 0:10:58Date-wise, this would probably be initially round about 1895, 1900.
0:10:58 > 0:11:03And at that stage Tiffany was your great interior decorator.
0:11:03 > 0:11:08- Yes.- And, um, he was making stained-glass windows,
0:11:08 > 0:11:11because stained-glass windows were very much in vogue at that time.
0:11:11 > 0:11:15They found initially that they got lots of spare bits over,
0:11:15 > 0:11:20that they didn't need in the windows and somebody just hit upon the idea of making these into a shade.
0:11:20 > 0:11:25- Really?- So it came out of, almost like a waste disposal unit.
0:11:25 > 0:11:26How fascinating.
0:11:26 > 0:11:33Anyway, he designed over 500 shades, he designed over 500 bases.
0:11:33 > 0:11:35I think this one works quite well.
0:11:35 > 0:11:37It seems to be in proportion.
0:11:37 > 0:11:39It does. Now, I'm going to take it apart.
0:11:39 > 0:11:45So, I'm very carefully going to take that and just lift it straight off,
0:11:45 > 0:11:48- OK, because I want to look at the base.- Yes.
0:11:48 > 0:11:52And if you can be so kind, we'll just take that off.
0:11:52 > 0:11:56Now this one, if I can just take the cistern out.
0:11:56 > 0:12:00- The first thing you always want to look at is, is it marked?- Yes.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03- There are two places to look. The base.- Yes.
0:12:03 > 0:12:07Which is rather nice because you've got the mark there
0:12:07 > 0:12:10- of the Tiffany Glass & Decorating Company.- Yes.
0:12:10 > 0:12:14- Tiffany Studios New York, and then there's the number.- Yes.
0:12:14 > 0:12:19- And that is the shape of that particular base.- Oh, I see, yes.
0:12:19 > 0:12:23OK, um, now we look at the shade.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25The first thing you're looking for is a mark,
0:12:25 > 0:12:28- and you look on the inside of the rim.- Yes.
0:12:28 > 0:12:30- And it's usually quite tiny.- It is.
0:12:30 > 0:12:33I actually knew a lady in New York who was a dealer.
0:12:33 > 0:12:36- She remembers when these went out of fashion in the 1930s.- Yes.
0:12:36 > 0:12:40And she remembers the workmen taking them out into the street,
0:12:40 > 0:12:44smashing the glass out of them so they could get the scrap metal.
0:12:44 > 0:12:48- Gosh, yes.- There's a thought. It's a bit of eye opener. If I can find that mark...
0:12:48 > 0:12:52- It's very hard. - It is very hard, isn't it.
0:12:52 > 0:12:55- And I've not got me specs on, but it's there.- Yes.
0:12:55 > 0:12:58So Tiffany & Co, no doubt about it.
0:12:58 > 0:13:00If you wanted to replace this today,
0:13:00 > 0:13:03- you'd have to pay more than fifty shillings.- I'm sure.
0:13:03 > 0:13:07Fifty shillings is two pounds, ten shillings, or two pounds fifty.
0:13:07 > 0:13:10- Or five dollars. - Which might be 5, 8.
0:13:10 > 0:13:12Because if I wanted to buy this today,
0:13:12 > 0:13:15I'd probably have to write a cheque out for a minimum of...
0:13:15 > 0:13:18Let's say, 25,000.
0:13:18 > 0:13:22Really, really? Gosh, that's a surprise, a nice surprise.
0:13:22 > 0:13:25But nothing to you people in Sydney.
0:13:25 > 0:13:29A woman like you, it's pocket money, I know the type!
0:13:29 > 0:13:32For the benefit of the British viewer, that's a £10,000 shade.
0:13:32 > 0:13:36- Really?- But thank you for bringing it.- Thank you for doing it.
0:13:36 > 0:13:40That was wonderful. We feel we know you because we watch the show.
0:13:40 > 0:13:43- You do?- Yes, we do, and we feel we know people and...
0:13:43 > 0:13:47That's fortuitous because I've got nowhere to eat and sleep tonight.
0:13:47 > 0:13:51If I could come back to yours that would be wonderful! Look at that.
0:13:51 > 0:13:55- Can you see that?- Yes, oh, it's beautiful, yeah, lovely.
0:13:55 > 0:13:58I meant to do that earlier. They've stopped recording now.
0:14:01 > 0:14:05This is part of the keel of Captain Cook's ship Endeavour,
0:14:05 > 0:14:09in which he circumnavigated the world and discovered Australia.
0:14:09 > 0:14:11OK, I believe you, but...
0:14:11 > 0:14:16We've got to convince the world. What is special about this piece of wood?
0:14:16 > 0:14:20I have with me a letter that was written by George Howard
0:14:20 > 0:14:24to Captain Bennett who was...
0:14:24 > 0:14:30- In 1828.- In 1828, asking him to take this piece of the keel of the Endeavour
0:14:30 > 0:14:35to Liverpool or London and present it to an appropriate institution.
0:14:35 > 0:14:42The Endeavour was finally scrapped in 1793. Was it that famous?
0:14:42 > 0:14:45Well, it was said that in Newport, Rhode Island,
0:14:45 > 0:14:48when it fell into disrepair and was condemned,
0:14:48 > 0:14:52it fell prey to souvenir hunters at that time, in about 1793.
0:14:52 > 0:14:56- It was already a very famous vessel? - It was a very famous vessel and still is.
0:14:56 > 0:15:00So while it was being broken up, people were cutting out chunks
0:15:00 > 0:15:02and saying, "I've got a bit of the Endeavour."
0:15:02 > 0:15:05And do you think this is the biggest piece that survives?
0:15:05 > 0:15:08There is a... I think the only other large piece
0:15:08 > 0:15:14is in the Newport Historical Society in Newport, Rhode Island.
0:15:14 > 0:15:18But there's a gap, isn't there? What happened between 1793 and 1828
0:15:18 > 0:15:22to guarantee this is the right piece of wood?
0:15:22 > 0:15:26Well, I think it would be bizarre for someone to say in 1828,
0:15:26 > 0:15:29that's, what, it's 35 years later,
0:15:29 > 0:15:32that this wood came from the Endeavour if it didn't.
0:15:32 > 0:15:35It's fairly nondescript, although it's got beautiful marks on it.
0:15:35 > 0:15:39What happens between 1828 and now, that you've got it?
0:15:39 > 0:15:43Er, my late father purchased it from a gentleman
0:15:43 > 0:15:49called Sam Lowe who had it in Boston in his family for over 100 years.
0:15:49 > 0:15:54So in theory we've got a provenance stretching back to 1828,
0:15:54 > 0:15:56which you know about,
0:15:56 > 0:16:00we've then got a slight gap, and then we've got the actual ship.
0:16:00 > 0:16:04Now I think I am right in saying that when this ship was broken up,
0:16:04 > 0:16:10as was common practice, bits of the Endeavour also floated off in different forms, didn't they?
0:16:10 > 0:16:14Yes, I think that recycling was fairly popular in those days.
0:16:14 > 0:16:17Yeah, so could that explain the gap?
0:16:17 > 0:16:22That, you know, bits of it were built into another ship from 1793,
0:16:22 > 0:16:24by 1828 that would have been wrecked and lost,
0:16:24 > 0:16:28- and therefore it could have come, that could have filled the gap.- Yes.
0:16:28 > 0:16:32If they knew that within a later ship, bits of the Endeavour were there.
0:16:32 > 0:16:36Certainly, the keel could have been used and laid for a new ship.
0:16:36 > 0:16:42- But they said, "Remember, that's the Endeavour."- That could be an explanation.- That could happen.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- So you're pretty certain. - Yes, I'm certain.
0:16:45 > 0:16:47Now have you had this wood tested?
0:16:47 > 0:16:52- The wood has been tested here at Sydney University by radio carbon dating.- Yes.
0:16:52 > 0:16:57And they put an age on it of about 1400, plus or minus a percentage.
0:16:57 > 0:17:03- What's that telling us? - Well, that tells us that the wood is probably 500 years old now.
0:17:03 > 0:17:07That would make sense because the oak would have been 100, 200 years old
0:17:07 > 0:17:11when it was felled for ship building, so that works.
0:17:11 > 0:17:15- It certainly fits in, yes.- Yeah. So, OK, science supports it,
0:17:15 > 0:17:19the provenance supports it as far as it goes, with one or two little gaps.
0:17:19 > 0:17:23So this is the making of Australia.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26It is, this was here for the beginning.
0:17:26 > 0:17:28I think that's extraordinary.
0:17:28 > 0:17:33Would it be fair to say that should this ever come up for sale,
0:17:33 > 0:17:39we might be looking at a sum like 250,000, £100,000?
0:17:39 > 0:17:41- Yes, certainly.- And possibly more?
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- Or more.- I mean in a sense, the target is the moon, isn't it?
0:17:44 > 0:17:47- Because you're fulfilling a dream. - It certainly is.
0:17:47 > 0:17:50- It's unique.- Well, it's fulfilled our dream, thank you.
0:17:50 > 0:17:52Thank you very much.
0:17:55 > 0:17:57Where do you keep this extraordinary collection
0:17:57 > 0:18:00of Australian native birds in your house?
0:18:00 > 0:18:02I presume you keep it in your house?
0:18:02 > 0:18:04I must confess I don't.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07It actually belongs to my aunt, who's 89.
0:18:07 > 0:18:10She's nearly 90.
0:18:10 > 0:18:15To my knowledge, this is the first time in at least 100 years that it's left the house.
0:18:15 > 0:18:21Right. In the late 19th century if you had a large sprawling mansion,
0:18:21 > 0:18:24you often had lots of cased animals.
0:18:24 > 0:18:27These are some of our most famous native birds.
0:18:27 > 0:18:30Of course, the kookaburra is a national Australian emblem,
0:18:30 > 0:18:36it's been on stamps and coins, coats of arms for parliaments and all sorts of other things.
0:18:36 > 0:18:40Some of these others lorikeets and rosellas are found in the Blue Mountains
0:18:40 > 0:18:43to the west of Sydney. This is a bit of a challenge to value
0:18:43 > 0:18:47because I've not seen something as good as this for a long time.
0:18:47 > 0:18:50I would imagine something like this would probably fetch
0:18:50 > 0:18:54in the vicinity of 3,000 to 4,000 at auction.
0:18:54 > 0:18:58- Truly?- Yes, it would be very, very sought after.
0:18:58 > 0:19:01I would imagine, you know, for insurance 4,000.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05Probably something like £1,000 to £1,200 in the UK if they came up there.
0:19:05 > 0:19:06These are fantastic.
0:19:06 > 0:19:08OK, thank you.
0:19:10 > 0:19:17Well, this has the appearance of being almost a sort of collection of jewellery from the 1920s or '30s.
0:19:17 > 0:19:19Have you got any information or history on them?
0:19:19 > 0:19:24No, other than the fact that I know they belonged to my grandparents,
0:19:24 > 0:19:28and that's about all I know, I have no idea about them.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32I perhaps might be a bit immodest to say you've met a man who knows.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35- I'm so glad.- Because there's a little story about these.
0:19:35 > 0:19:40They're by a maker called Leon Hatot
0:19:40 > 0:19:44and he was virtually unknown. He's a French jeweller.
0:19:44 > 0:19:49Some many years ago I was called to Paris, working for an auction house,
0:19:49 > 0:19:52to look at some remaining watches and clocks.
0:19:52 > 0:19:55In 1939, when the Germans invaded Europe,
0:19:55 > 0:19:59all these watches and jewels were wrapped in tissue paper,
0:19:59 > 0:20:02with their original tags, envelopes, everything,
0:20:02 > 0:20:05put in a safe, and they weren't taken out
0:20:05 > 0:20:12until somebody died and this man decided to sell them in the 1980s.
0:20:12 > 0:20:17And they had all the original bills, and the details of manufacturing, how many diamonds, how much enamel
0:20:17 > 0:20:20and I was the lucky chap who got to see them
0:20:20 > 0:20:24and Leon Hatot was sort of discovered that day, by accident, by me.
0:20:24 > 0:20:28Because although his mark, which we will find, I am sure, on them,
0:20:28 > 0:20:31was known, nobody knew the history of the firm.
0:20:31 > 0:20:35And this gentleman knew, so we rediscovered the maker.
0:20:35 > 0:20:40This dress watch, again very classic 1920s, diamonds on the edge,
0:20:40 > 0:20:45black enamel simulated onyx which was a popular material in the '20s,
0:20:45 > 0:20:50would be worth something of the order of perhaps
0:20:50 > 0:20:555,000 Australian, £2,000-odd sterling.
0:20:55 > 0:21:02This is a very classic design of his, again platinum, diamonds,
0:21:02 > 0:21:06black enamel simulating onyx and a covered dial,
0:21:06 > 0:21:09which was a very popular idea, very '20s. You can imagine,
0:21:09 > 0:21:12a typical classic style.
0:21:12 > 0:21:18And that also is something of the order of £4,000 or 5,000 Australian and £2,000.
0:21:18 > 0:21:24But this one is really magnificent, wonderful set of diamonds set into it
0:21:24 > 0:21:29and really good stones too. Often the stones are rather second-rate,
0:21:29 > 0:21:32but these are excellent, again with the sapphires
0:21:32 > 0:21:35Quite a difficult thing to value really, but...
0:21:37 > 0:21:40Let me think, anything up to about 20,000,
0:21:40 > 0:21:43something of the order of £8,000.
0:21:43 > 0:21:45Magnificent.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48- Thank you very much, made my day. - Thank you.
0:21:51 > 0:21:56Bernice, I've heard that you are almost solely the reason that we're here in Australia.
0:21:56 > 0:21:59I wish I could take responsibility for that, but I couldn't.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02I think, basically, I just had this bright idea one day,
0:22:02 > 0:22:06and I've always been a fan of the Antiques Roadshow.
0:22:06 > 0:22:10Being an expatriate, having seen the shows 18 years ago in England,
0:22:10 > 0:22:14I didn't understand why they hadn't been here. There are so many expats,
0:22:14 > 0:22:18also there's people from all over the world that have emigrated to Australia
0:22:18 > 0:22:21and brought along all their treasures.
0:22:21 > 0:22:23And I felt that it was necessary to get the crowd here
0:22:23 > 0:22:26and give us a show, and I'm just so delighted
0:22:26 > 0:22:28the amount of people that have shown up.
0:22:28 > 0:22:33Well, thousands wanted to come, and thank you very much for starting it all off.
0:22:33 > 0:22:36- For being on our side. - Thank you for taking that long trip.
0:22:36 > 0:22:41- And are you free for dinner? - Oh, absolutely, thank you.
0:22:56 > 0:23:01Here you've got a work by Thancoupie who is Australia's
0:23:01 > 0:23:06foremost Aboriginal ceramicist and if we look at the bottom here,
0:23:06 > 0:23:10we can see we've got Thancoupie's signature on the bottom.
0:23:10 > 0:23:16It's a beautiful piece. If you look at the earthenware it's got a lovely texture to it, hasn't it?
0:23:16 > 0:23:21And if you think about Aboriginal people and how important the land is to them, their culture,
0:23:21 > 0:23:25their relationship with their country, it's an interesting piece,
0:23:25 > 0:23:27it's quite evocative of Aboriginal culture.
0:23:27 > 0:23:31She was born in the 1930s, born Gloria James,
0:23:31 > 0:23:38and was the first indigenous person to actually get tertiary qualifications in ceramics.
0:23:38 > 0:23:44So she's quite a ground-breaker because she was marrying, or linking,
0:23:44 > 0:23:50traditional Aboriginal stories with ceramics, which is a relatively
0:23:50 > 0:23:52new medium for Aboriginal artists.
0:23:52 > 0:23:57These are unsigned.
0:23:57 > 0:24:01So they're a little harder to sell because they don't have a signature.
0:24:01 > 0:24:05They may well be by Thancoupie, they certainly look like they are.
0:24:05 > 0:24:10So one would think that in the contemporary market,
0:24:10 > 0:24:15these smaller pieces would be worth in the vicinity of about 500 each.
0:24:15 > 0:24:20This larger piece, which has the wonderful signature on the bottom,
0:24:20 > 0:24:26would be worth in the vicinity of about 2,500 to 3,000.
0:24:26 > 0:24:30So you're looking at about £1,000 for this piece here.
0:24:30 > 0:24:32Wow.
0:24:32 > 0:24:35So if you put flowers in them, be very careful.
0:24:35 > 0:24:37- No!- And don't put them near an open window.
0:24:37 > 0:24:41- No, at that price! Thank you.- Thank you.
0:24:44 > 0:24:50It's been in my possession for 36 years but it was given to my mother,
0:24:50 > 0:24:54on the occasion of her 21st birthday
0:24:54 > 0:24:58on 21st September 1910,
0:24:58 > 0:25:02by a gentleman, the name of Christianson, Mr Bill Christianson.
0:25:02 > 0:25:06He mined that in Lightning Reach.
0:25:06 > 0:25:12If there is one gem that we, back in the UK, associate with Australia,
0:25:12 > 0:25:18it's the opal. It's as much an association that we have with all the indigenous things here.
0:25:18 > 0:25:23- Yes.- Kangaroos and kookaburras, opals. So I was hoping that someone
0:25:23 > 0:25:25- was going to bring in a lovely opal. - Good.
0:25:25 > 0:25:28Here we have a drop-shape opal in the frame.
0:25:28 > 0:25:30You've dated it for me, 1910.
0:25:30 > 0:25:35There we have a very simple, you know, very basic gold frame,
0:25:35 > 0:25:40which is decorated with beaded motifs around the outside.
0:25:40 > 0:25:41You turn it over. First key point,
0:25:41 > 0:25:46the opal should be the same colour that you can see at the back,
0:25:46 > 0:25:49because you've got these things called triplets,
0:25:49 > 0:25:53you've got these composition opals which are a slice of real material
0:25:53 > 0:25:58which has got often a backing, or it may even have a cover on it,
0:25:58 > 0:26:04and that creates a composition of gem which is not a solid true stone.
0:26:04 > 0:26:07This, of course, is the proper solid opal.
0:26:07 > 0:26:10Although we don't know what it weighs because it's mounted up,
0:26:10 > 0:26:15in my opinion it probably weighs seven or possibly eight carats.
0:26:15 > 0:26:18Now gemologically, what are they, opals?
0:26:18 > 0:26:20Well, they are a type of jelly.
0:26:20 > 0:26:25And sometimes as much as 10% or 15% of these are water,
0:26:25 > 0:26:29and that gives rise to a problem.
0:26:29 > 0:26:34Opals dry out, and opals have a tendency to crack.
0:26:34 > 0:26:37So that is one issue to bear in mind.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40Opals therefore have this play of colour
0:26:40 > 0:26:45which reflects from what you might call little tiny cells
0:26:45 > 0:26:49within the stone itself, and it's the reflection of those cells
0:26:49 > 0:26:51that give it this wonderful rainbow effect.
0:26:51 > 0:26:55I think we can see there, if I turn it, certainly in this light.
0:26:55 > 0:27:02- Yes.- I've got a really good play of pink fire with red flash in the stone.
0:27:02 > 0:27:09The issue then moves on to what might an opal like this be worth.
0:27:09 > 0:27:14The market here is far more knowledgeable, I think,
0:27:14 > 0:27:17than the market we have in Europe.
0:27:17 > 0:27:19I would probably expect it to be worth
0:27:19 > 0:27:26something in the region of £15,000 for insurance purposes.
0:27:26 > 0:27:30That's around about Australian 35,000,
0:27:30 > 0:27:33- something like that. That's for insurance purposes.- Yes.
0:27:33 > 0:27:36I have no doubt that in the market here,
0:27:36 > 0:27:40there will be people that will pay more for it.
0:27:40 > 0:27:44Here we have something though that I was hoping beyond hope I would see.
0:27:44 > 0:27:47- You have not disappointed me. - Thank you. It is beautiful.
0:27:49 > 0:27:52That's a very interesting way of bringing things in, in a pram.
0:27:52 > 0:27:56- Can you tell me about what you've got?- This is my father's collection.
0:27:56 > 0:28:01- He was the therapist for the Australian cricket team for many many years.- Yes.
0:28:01 > 0:28:03And he was in the beginning of World Series cricket.
0:28:03 > 0:28:06- Really?- He realised that there would be valuable things
0:28:06 > 0:28:11to hand down to his grandchildren and great grandchildren.
0:28:11 > 0:28:15- Would you mind if I have a quick rummage around?- No, I'd love you to.
0:28:15 > 0:28:18- Good.- Everything's signed.
0:28:18 > 0:28:21Right, OK. This looks like World Series cricket.
0:28:21 > 0:28:26- Definitely, there's three teams, this is the Australian team.- OK.
0:28:26 > 0:28:28And in here's the West Indies.
0:28:28 > 0:28:32- Right.- And possibly international team, or English team.
0:28:32 > 0:28:35That is the English team, I notice a few that I recognise here.
0:28:35 > 0:28:39There's Graham Dilley and Bob Taylor, who was the wicket keeper.
0:28:39 > 0:28:44This is a nice piece, the signatures are in fairly nice condition.
0:28:44 > 0:28:48At auction that would probably fetch in the region of 200 to 400.
0:28:48 > 0:28:51- Wow.- You're looking at around £100 to £200.
0:28:51 > 0:28:53- Well, OK.- Now.
0:28:55 > 0:28:57OK, now this...
0:28:59 > 0:29:02this is something rather special.
0:29:02 > 0:29:06- Can you tell me anything? - It was Ian Chappell's.
0:29:06 > 0:29:11- Right.- Possibly my dad fixed something for him,
0:29:11 > 0:29:14and he went on to do quite well in the game somewhere.
0:29:14 > 0:29:18Because my dad's 90 with Alzheimer's, he doesn't remember.
0:29:18 > 0:29:24Right, this is a very significant piece of sporting memorabilia.
0:29:24 > 0:29:27It's actually initialled here, you can see it's initialled IC.
0:29:27 > 0:29:32- Ian Chappell, Ian Chappell was the captain of Australia. - He would have been.
0:29:32 > 0:29:36Yes, he was unbeaten, he never lost a series as test captain,
0:29:36 > 0:29:39he played in over 70 tests. And...
0:29:39 > 0:29:45The baggy green is considered really to be the most collectable type of cricket memorabilia,
0:29:45 > 0:29:50and cricket is really the most collectable Australian sport,
0:29:50 > 0:29:52this is fantastic.
0:29:52 > 0:29:55If it were to appear at auction in Australia,
0:29:55 > 0:29:59this would conservatively make between 6,000 and 8,000.
0:29:59 > 0:30:03- My goodness!- Which translates in English pounds
0:30:03 > 0:30:10to around £2,500 to £4,500, so it's quite a find.
0:30:10 > 0:30:13- Wow.- Mmm.
0:30:14 > 0:30:18Here we are in Sydney, Australia. And here is a collection,
0:30:18 > 0:30:25a fabulous collection of Maria Callas - photographs and letters.
0:30:25 > 0:30:28Why Maria Callas, why not Sutherland?
0:30:28 > 0:30:31Why not Nellie Melba?
0:30:31 > 0:30:34Well, my mum gave me a recording of "The Barber of Seville"
0:30:34 > 0:30:37back when I was 10 or 11, and the voice just amazed me.
0:30:37 > 0:30:40I think I've always started collecting her ever since,
0:30:40 > 0:30:42I've friends who worked with her.
0:30:42 > 0:30:46But this is a very sophisticated collection. This is quite incredible,
0:30:46 > 0:30:49I've never seen anything like it. You've got piles of them.
0:30:49 > 0:30:53You've got these ones by Angus McBean, of course.
0:30:53 > 0:30:55- But there's piles of them.- Yeah.
0:30:55 > 0:30:58All signed. But which is your favourite thing here?
0:30:58 > 0:31:03Well, I think my favourite is the London "Traviata"
0:31:03 > 0:31:05- for which this...- This one here?
0:31:05 > 0:31:09I've also brought in "Tosca", from London and "Norma" from London,
0:31:09 > 0:31:11all great British photographers.
0:31:11 > 0:31:14She owned these photographs, gave them to fans.
0:31:14 > 0:31:18As much as I love the signed photos and how personal they are,
0:31:18 > 0:31:22I go to the letters, which I feel actually
0:31:22 > 0:31:27illuminate her rather more. There's one here to "Dearest Henry".
0:31:27 > 0:31:31Henry is an unknown friend of Maria's and this was written in 1949
0:31:31 > 0:31:35before she got married, where she's telling him how much she's in love
0:31:35 > 0:31:38and that she desperately needs her birth certificate,
0:31:38 > 0:31:42to get married in Italy. It confirms her full name, her parents' names
0:31:42 > 0:31:46her real date of birth and, you know, how happy she is, etc, etc.
0:31:46 > 0:31:50But you see, that to me, is more exciting really than...
0:31:50 > 0:31:54- It's unpublished too, so, never been seen.- That's even better.
0:31:54 > 0:31:56And this one just goes on for pages.
0:31:56 > 0:31:58- I know.- "Dearest Leo,
0:31:58 > 0:32:02"I have received your very dear letter." What's that about?
0:32:02 > 0:32:07Leo was her godfather whom she confided in him in the '60s,
0:32:07 > 0:32:12through the '70s and here in 1975 she's bemoaning the loss of her voice
0:32:12 > 0:32:17but she may have to go and sing, that Di Stefano loved her, but they couldn't marry.
0:32:17 > 0:32:19It goes on for pages and pages and pages.
0:32:19 > 0:32:24If you were text-messaging this, it would go in two lines or something!
0:32:24 > 0:32:28But this is very much more important.
0:32:28 > 0:32:31So how many items have you got altogether?
0:32:31 > 0:32:36I guess, maybe 70 or 80 signed photographs of varying sizes
0:32:36 > 0:32:38and maybe 20 letters.
0:32:38 > 0:32:43Well, I think 20 letters are very rare. Well, autographically.
0:32:43 > 0:32:47Theoretically, she shouldn't be rare because she is an opera singer
0:32:47 > 0:32:49and would give all these things to her friends,
0:32:49 > 0:32:53- but people are incredibly excited by Maria Callas.- I think...
0:32:53 > 0:32:58She wasn't so rare, it's just that the demand exceeds the generous supply and very much so.
0:32:58 > 0:33:01- And it's not going away. - Certainly in the US she's very hot.
0:33:01 > 0:33:05- Yeah, everywhere.- In Australia she's very hot too?- Absolutely.
0:33:05 > 0:33:10And England too is very keen on her, as well, and all her recordings.
0:33:10 > 0:33:14I was fortunate to see her in the Festival Hall in London in 1974,
0:33:14 > 0:33:19- not the voice it was, but... - But even so, it was still there.
0:33:19 > 0:33:22I think that's wonderful. How long has this collection taken?
0:33:22 > 0:33:2420 years, I guess.
0:33:24 > 0:33:25How much have you paid for it all?
0:33:25 > 0:33:28Thousands, I guess.
0:33:28 > 0:33:32I should think you have. I would say that you have got, Australian,
0:33:32 > 0:33:37the best part of a quarter of a million Australian dollars?
0:33:37 > 0:33:40- Good grief.- Which is something like £100,000 to £125,000.
0:33:40 > 0:33:43Wow! Are you sure?
0:33:43 > 0:33:48It's a fantastic collection and wonderful to see it, thank you for bringing it in.
0:33:48 > 0:33:52Well, it's going back to England eventually, I've decided in my will
0:33:52 > 0:33:54to leave it to the V&A Museum in London.
0:33:54 > 0:33:56Is that the right place for it?
0:33:56 > 0:34:00I think so, yes. She loved London, she loved the audiences there.
0:34:00 > 0:34:04I thought, let's keep it in the English-speaking world and London.
0:34:04 > 0:34:07I used to live in England, loved the V&A, so why not?
0:34:07 > 0:34:12- They're very happy to receive it. - That's very generous of you. - Thank you.- Thank you.
0:34:17 > 0:34:21They're not, as pieces of silver, terribly artistic. What's the history behind them?
0:34:21 > 0:34:27I brought them in because they're trophies won by my grandfather for his excellence in poultry farming.
0:34:27 > 0:34:30He had hens that could lay more eggs than anyone else's,
0:34:30 > 0:34:35and these items were won by birds that he sent to India
0:34:35 > 0:34:39and they laid more eggs than any of the hens there, so he won prizes.
0:34:39 > 0:34:44I think it's wonderful. I also like the documentation that comes with it.
0:34:44 > 0:34:47Here is a letter, or actually a sort of manuscript.
0:34:47 > 0:34:52It's a testimonial dated 1925 and it says here,
0:34:52 > 0:34:55"If you had sent four pullets to make a team,
0:34:55 > 0:34:58"you would have won the team prize hands down,
0:34:58 > 0:35:02"as your three laid an average of 61 eggs apiece."
0:35:02 > 0:35:04- That's truly amazing.- Incredible.
0:35:04 > 0:35:08- But you don't poultry-farm any more? - Oh, no!
0:35:08 > 0:35:11Truly exceptional pieces, not because of the quality,
0:35:11 > 0:35:17but the history with them. It's important that in the future all the documents you have,
0:35:17 > 0:35:20and you have more, I know, are kept with them and the story goes on down.
0:35:20 > 0:35:23Because these are not worth a lot of money
0:35:23 > 0:35:27but as a bit of the history of poultry farming, they're unique,
0:35:27 > 0:35:30so we're talking about a few hundred dollars, you know, not a great deal.
0:35:30 > 0:35:33- But a fantastic story.- Thank you.
0:35:34 > 0:35:37Well, I've come halfway round the world
0:35:37 > 0:35:40to meet the strongest monarchist in the country.
0:35:40 > 0:35:43- Thank you.- Is that a fair description?
0:35:43 > 0:35:45It's certainly a passion of mine.
0:35:45 > 0:35:48I think they're fantastic little pictures.
0:35:48 > 0:35:52There's the representations of the different monarchs themselves,
0:35:52 > 0:35:55and it's also a history of costumery as well.
0:35:55 > 0:35:59You're going for every British monarch ever, is that your plan?
0:35:59 > 0:36:04I've gone right back to Edgar and Egbert
0:36:04 > 0:36:09who was the grandfather of Alfred the Great. I'm trying to fill in all the gaps before then,
0:36:09 > 0:36:14but I've been able to get a representation over there of the Conscience of the King.
0:36:14 > 0:36:18That's King Cerdic so that's around 500AD.
0:36:18 > 0:36:23I'm still looking for King Aella of Sussex and some of the Northumberland Bretwaldas, Edwin,
0:36:23 > 0:36:27if any of your viewers are able to steer me in the right direction.
0:36:27 > 0:36:30I was in Sussex only last week, I could have looked round for you!
0:36:30 > 0:36:33So what started you off in this obsession?
0:36:33 > 0:36:37Well, I've always been interested in history and when I was young,
0:36:37 > 0:36:42my family holidayed in England. I did my university degree in history
0:36:42 > 0:36:48and I lived in Britain for three years, so that got me going.
0:36:48 > 0:36:52This one behind me here is one of the more recent pieces I picked up,
0:36:52 > 0:36:56that was in a flea market in Sydney, a battered old remnant
0:36:56 > 0:37:00that I think to the stallholder was just some woman,
0:37:00 > 0:37:04but I knew it was Queen Alexandra and so I got it for 5.
0:37:04 > 0:37:07They don't all have a pictorial representation, do they?
0:37:07 > 0:37:13Pretty much all of them do. This one was the first contemporaneous portrait,
0:37:13 > 0:37:18Richard II, 1377 so that's 600 years before the Queen's Silver Jubilee.
0:37:18 > 0:37:22So all the monarchs represented here before that period
0:37:22 > 0:37:27are imagined portraits perhaps taken from death effigies on their tomb,
0:37:27 > 0:37:29or from coins or something.
0:37:29 > 0:37:31How do you get them?
0:37:31 > 0:37:36Some of them, I just bought them in shops and flea markets and that,
0:37:36 > 0:37:41but to get some of the more obscure ones, I've had to source different publications,
0:37:41 > 0:37:4518th, 19th, 20th-century publications, and then tried to marry them
0:37:45 > 0:37:49into appropriate sort of antique and collectable frames.
0:37:49 > 0:37:52- Is this a very expensive hobby? - No, not at all.
0:37:52 > 0:37:56I can buy some of these nice little collectable frames at flea markets
0:37:56 > 0:37:59for about 5 and if I can find an appropriate picture
0:37:59 > 0:38:01then it's not an expensive hobby at all.
0:38:01 > 0:38:06And are you tempted to extend your collection beyond the British monarchy?
0:38:06 > 0:38:09Certainly not. I want to collect more of the British monarchs
0:38:09 > 0:38:15and more of their consorts, but I wouldn't pollute my collection with non-British monarchs.
0:38:15 > 0:38:18To show that I'm even-handed, I've got Bonnie Prince Charlie,
0:38:18 > 0:38:21not looking terribly bonny in that picture.
0:38:21 > 0:38:24This is a fairly modern representation, what's that one?
0:38:24 > 0:38:28My mother went to England in the 1950s
0:38:28 > 0:38:32and was at the Coronation Procession.
0:38:32 > 0:38:35That's the Queen in her carriage. My mother made that piece
0:38:35 > 0:38:37and in recent years gave it to me.
0:38:37 > 0:38:41How lovely. And there is our own dear Queen, when Princess Elizabeth.
0:38:41 > 0:38:46Yes, I'm particularly fond of that one because of the caption underneath that simply says
0:38:46 > 0:38:49"Beloved throughout the British Empire".
0:38:49 > 0:38:52- I think we should stand up at that point.- God Save the Queen.
0:38:54 > 0:38:56Now I think I can safely say
0:38:56 > 0:39:00the last thing I would ever have expected to see in Sydney
0:39:00 > 0:39:05is some pieces of china that are to do with the suffragette movement.
0:39:05 > 0:39:08Here we have a cup, saucer and a plate,
0:39:08 > 0:39:14clearly decorated with the badge WSPU, the Women's Social and Political Union.
0:39:14 > 0:39:16What on earth are they doing here?
0:39:16 > 0:39:21Well, my grandmother gave a complete set to me.
0:39:21 > 0:39:25- Hang on, what was that word, a complete set?- A complete set.
0:39:25 > 0:39:27- There's more?- There's more!
0:39:27 > 0:39:31She had been given the set by a friend of hers, Mrs Cullen,
0:39:31 > 0:39:35who had gone to the UK in the early 1900s
0:39:35 > 0:39:38to assist in the women's suffrage movement.
0:39:38 > 0:39:40And I had a paper cutting
0:39:40 > 0:39:46where it described her being thrown out of the House of Commons in 1905.
0:39:46 > 0:39:49- That's very early.- Yes. - What's this cloth?
0:39:49 > 0:39:50Well, this came with the set.
0:39:50 > 0:39:53- And it's in the right colours. - Yes.
0:39:53 > 0:39:55- Purple and green.- Yes.
0:39:55 > 0:39:59These are classic suffrage pieces with the badge,
0:39:59 > 0:40:04but obviously somebody has made this at the time to go with it.
0:40:04 > 0:40:09- Yes, it would seem so, yes. - Now these were made in Britain in I suppose 1912-ish,
0:40:09 > 0:40:12it's difficult to know the date with no records,
0:40:12 > 0:40:16by a Staffordshire company called Williamson, though that's unimportant.
0:40:16 > 0:40:19- Yes.- The importance is entirely in the badge
0:40:19 > 0:40:24and no-one knows how large-scale the production was,
0:40:24 > 0:40:28because clearly you had to be a dedicated suffrage person
0:40:28 > 0:40:32- to serve your tea in things badged in that way.- Yes.
0:40:32 > 0:40:36Cups and saucers turn up, occasional pieces turn up,
0:40:36 > 0:40:39but they're very rare and very desirable.
0:40:39 > 0:40:42I think when I heard you say that phrase, a complete set,
0:40:42 > 0:40:45I can't believe it. What does that mean?
0:40:45 > 0:40:49A complete set is six cups, six saucers,
0:40:49 > 0:40:54six plates, a cake plate, a teapot, a sugar bowl and a milk jug.
0:40:54 > 0:40:58So these are yours, and they've come from the family connection.
0:40:58 > 0:41:00Where do you fit in?
0:41:00 > 0:41:04I fit in, in that watching the Antiques Roadshow,
0:41:04 > 0:41:07- I saw a cup and saucer on the show. - Like this?
0:41:07 > 0:41:13Exactly the same as the cup and saucer, other than it had a crack,
0:41:13 > 0:41:17and it was only the one piece. I remember the gentleman who assessed the piece
0:41:17 > 0:41:22commenting on, wouldn't it be wonderful to see a full set,
0:41:22 > 0:41:27they just don't exist, so, of course, I rang my friend Elizabeth.
0:41:27 > 0:41:30And said? "Get out your set."
0:41:30 > 0:41:33I said, "Elizabeth, get out the set."
0:41:33 > 0:41:37Well, I think that's great because a complete set is the dream
0:41:37 > 0:41:39and it's a wonderful thing to fulfil here.
0:41:39 > 0:41:43Now, you know it's very rare, you know it's going to be expensive
0:41:43 > 0:41:45but do you know how expensive?
0:41:45 > 0:41:48I'm afraid I have no idea.
0:41:48 > 0:41:49Well, that's not true, we had a bet.
0:41:49 > 0:41:52All right, what was the bet?
0:41:52 > 0:41:54- Come on, tell me the bet. - What did we say?
0:41:54 > 0:41:58I said, I went the highest and I thought 10,000.
0:41:58 > 0:42:00- For the set?- For the set.- OK, yours?
0:42:00 > 0:42:05- And I said two. - 2,000.- And my husband Alex said five.
0:42:05 > 0:42:10Right, OK, assuming it's complete and in good condition,
0:42:10 > 0:42:13I'm going to say...
0:42:17 > 0:42:22£3,000 to £5,000 and that means...
0:42:22 > 0:42:24About 8,000.
0:42:24 > 0:42:27About 8,000 to 10,000, so, you win the bet.
0:42:27 > 0:42:28I thought I won the bet.
0:42:31 > 0:42:35Well done, but seriously, this is a very important thing to look after,
0:42:35 > 0:42:39it's a great piece of history, Australian history as well as British.
0:42:39 > 0:42:41And I'm amazed to see it, and very pleased.
0:42:41 > 0:42:44I think we should say that actually Australia, South Australia,
0:42:44 > 0:42:47in fact, got the vote for women first
0:42:47 > 0:42:51and that's why Mrs Cullen went to England to assist them.
0:42:51 > 0:42:53- As did New Zealand.- Yes, indeed.
0:42:53 > 0:42:59- Exactly. So you showed us how to do it, as ever, thank you very much. - Thank you.
0:42:59 > 0:43:02For now, many thanks to all our Sydneysider friends,
0:43:02 > 0:43:04and until the next time, goodbye.