Montacute House 2

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0:00:30 > 0:00:33Welcome back to magnificent Montacute House in Somerset.

0:00:33 > 0:00:37On our last visit, we saw the place through the eyes of the characters

0:00:37 > 0:00:40in Sense And Sensibility, but the real-life residents

0:00:40 > 0:00:45of Montacute and what happened here would certainly have caught Jane Austen's imagination.

0:00:48 > 0:00:51The Phelips family were separated from their fine ancestral home

0:00:51 > 0:00:56in 1911 - reckless gambling, mental illness and sheer misfortune

0:00:56 > 0:00:58all played their part.

0:01:00 > 0:01:02A number of tenants followed,

0:01:02 > 0:01:06including Lord Curzon, a former Viceroy of India.

0:01:06 > 0:01:10He pointed out the decayed state of Montacute and had the rent reduced,

0:01:10 > 0:01:14agreeing to install electric light and to redecorate at his own cost.

0:01:15 > 0:01:18This task he entrusted to his mistress,

0:01:18 > 0:01:23prolific writer Elinor Glyn, the woman who coined the term "it"

0:01:23 > 0:01:26as a 1920s euphemism for sex appeal.

0:01:26 > 0:01:29Elinor's notoriety was enhanced by her eccentric ways

0:01:29 > 0:01:31and a fondness for exotic furs.

0:01:31 > 0:01:36The furs came in handy as she endured arctic conditions,

0:01:36 > 0:01:41climbing up ladders in large unheated rooms like this long gallery.

0:01:41 > 0:01:44At a staggering 172ft, it's the

0:01:44 > 0:01:49longest of its kind to survive and it's been through the wars.

0:01:49 > 0:01:51Locals remember ponies being

0:01:51 > 0:01:55exercised here, which is rather surprising because...

0:01:55 > 0:01:57we're on the second floor!

0:02:02 > 0:02:06One morning, alone at breakfast, Eleanor came across a notice in

0:02:06 > 0:02:11the Times announcing the engagement of Lord Curzon to Mrs Alfred Duggan.

0:02:11 > 0:02:16This, it has to be said, came as a bit of a shock.

0:02:16 > 0:02:19Curzon offered not a word of explanation.

0:02:19 > 0:02:24Elinor left Montacute at once and burned nearly 500 of his letters,

0:02:24 > 0:02:29in the process destroying any evidence of their detailed plans for Montacute.

0:02:29 > 0:02:34Four years after Curzon's death in 1925, the lease expired.

0:02:34 > 0:02:38The house was valued at £5,882

0:02:38 > 0:02:41for scrap and put on the market, where it lingered for two years.

0:02:41 > 0:02:43It was eventually saved from demolition

0:02:43 > 0:02:46and presented to the National Trust.

0:02:46 > 0:02:50And today, as so often, they are the Roadshow's hosts.

0:02:51 > 0:02:53A little model of a kneeling camel,

0:02:53 > 0:02:56but when you look at the head there forming a spout

0:02:56 > 0:02:59and here's a handle, of course, it's a teapot,

0:02:59 > 0:03:01but what a bizarre teapot it is.

0:03:01 > 0:03:03What do you know about it?

0:03:03 > 0:03:06Well, I remember it from my early childhood.

0:03:06 > 0:03:09It belonged to my Aunt Annie who was born in 1860.

0:03:09 > 0:03:14- Oh, right.- And so I knew her in the 1950s, it was in her house.

0:03:14 > 0:03:17I suppose actually, I couldn't really imagine...

0:03:17 > 0:03:19How do you use it for tea?

0:03:19 > 0:03:22Supposing you're going to pour it from the handle,

0:03:22 > 0:03:25there's the little lid, and it's nice having the lid remaining with it

0:03:25 > 0:03:27and inside you put your fine tea leaves.

0:03:27 > 0:03:31Imagine putting the water in there and trying to pour it out through the spout.

0:03:31 > 0:03:35- Do you think they ever used it?- I can't imagine they would, would you?

0:03:35 > 0:03:38- I wouldn't have thought so. - But of course it's...

0:03:38 > 0:03:41I mean in theory this is a functional teapot and really quite

0:03:41 > 0:03:43an early teapot because we think of

0:03:43 > 0:03:47novelty teapots, silly teapots, being perhaps a 1930s idea, but they

0:03:47 > 0:03:52started way, way back and this was made somewhere round about 1745-1750.

0:03:52 > 0:03:55- As early as that?- So, back in the middle of the 18th century...

0:03:55 > 0:03:57Yes.

0:03:57 > 0:04:01..when a design like this was really quite outrageous, it was totally new,

0:04:01 > 0:04:05totally stunning design, made in the Staffordshire Potteries.

0:04:05 > 0:04:08You've got a piece here of English salt-glaze.

0:04:08 > 0:04:13- Oh, right.- And salt-glaze is a very difficult material to make and cast.

0:04:13 > 0:04:17You glaze it by literally throwing salt into the kiln and it forms a

0:04:17 > 0:04:21hard surface reacting with the clay and it's very durable,

0:04:21 > 0:04:25it lasts a long time, but it shows the modelling quite well underneath.

0:04:25 > 0:04:31Here we've got the work, probably of a potter - Thomas and John Wedgwood.

0:04:31 > 0:04:35- Oh.- Some of the early Wedgwood family, started out making these

0:04:35 > 0:04:38salt-glazed teapots around 1750.

0:04:38 > 0:04:41So, what is the design?

0:04:41 > 0:04:44On the howdah here that he's wearing,

0:04:44 > 0:04:48there is some sort of strange Oriental temple I suppose that is.

0:04:48 > 0:04:51What strikes me holding it is how light it is.

0:04:51 > 0:04:55- Yes, yes.- Incredibly thin and light, it really is.

0:04:55 > 0:04:58And that is really to me the star piece because it's still here.

0:04:58 > 0:05:01So rarely do we find camel teapots

0:05:01 > 0:05:06and other thin teapots like these, I haven't seen many of them,

0:05:06 > 0:05:11but to find one with its top as well and fitting so well...

0:05:11 > 0:05:14So, it's really quite a special piece of rare pottery and

0:05:14 > 0:05:17think in terms of a value about...

0:05:19 > 0:05:20..£7,000.

0:05:20 > 0:05:22Blimey...

0:05:22 > 0:05:23that's a lot.

0:05:27 > 0:05:30- Did you buy this?- Yes. - When did you buy it?

0:05:30 > 0:05:37The late '60s, in the late '60s, and my husband and I went to

0:05:37 > 0:05:43an antique show in Kent and while we there I saw this

0:05:43 > 0:05:47and, being an amateur sewer, this was very important to me,

0:05:47 > 0:05:48but...

0:05:49 > 0:05:52..it was quite expensive for me.

0:05:53 > 0:05:56We were courting at the time

0:05:56 > 0:06:00and my husband very kindly bought it for me.

0:06:00 > 0:06:04Oh, right, well, I must ask in that case, how much did it cost?

0:06:04 > 0:06:07£35.

0:06:07 > 0:06:10What was that as a proportion of income then?

0:06:10 > 0:06:14Well, my income at that time was £9.50 a week,

0:06:14 > 0:06:18so it was about a month's salary.

0:06:18 > 0:06:22That's quite something, isn't it, to think of that, a month's salary

0:06:22 > 0:06:24going to this? But this... I presume

0:06:24 > 0:06:27you know by now, having handled it for 40 years, what this is made of?

0:06:27 > 0:06:30We think it's an antelope horn.

0:06:30 > 0:06:33Yes, exactly, exactly - and I can date it relatively easily.

0:06:33 > 0:06:37You get the same sort of thing in England in the 1810-1820 period

0:06:37 > 0:06:40and I always think that Indian things are probably

0:06:40 > 0:06:4410-20 years behind time, so let's say 1820-1840, that sort of date.

0:06:44 > 0:06:46So, inside, we're going to find

0:06:46 > 0:06:49what we call now the typical Indian interior here,

0:06:49 > 0:06:51ivory with sandalwood,

0:06:51 > 0:06:54this lovely, lovely, it's a wonderful smooth wood,

0:06:54 > 0:06:56very, very well polished.

0:06:56 > 0:06:58It's lovely to touch, very tactile.

0:06:58 > 0:07:00It's quite a luxury item, you've got...

0:07:00 > 0:07:02I won't play with all the toys,

0:07:02 > 0:07:05You've got a tape measure there which is so sweet!

0:07:05 > 0:07:08I said I won't play with it, I'm going to now! It's so sweet.

0:07:08 > 0:07:11I love that, and all the sort of little things for a lady's

0:07:11 > 0:07:14necessaire, but do you use it today?

0:07:14 > 0:07:17No, I'm afraid I just keep it so that it doesn't get spoilt.

0:07:17 > 0:07:19But did you ever use it?

0:07:19 > 0:07:23- No.- So he bought it for you, all that money, and all that long ago and you've never used it?

0:07:23 > 0:07:26- But it's too good to use.- So, are you going to keep it?- Oh, yes.

0:07:26 > 0:07:31- Even if I tell you what it's worth today, you're going to hang onto it? - Oh, yes.

0:07:31 > 0:07:36Well, today it's worth at least £1,000.

0:07:36 > 0:07:39That was a good bit of investment, wasn't it?

0:07:39 > 0:07:42- Sounds like a good relationship!- Yes.

0:07:42 > 0:07:46Now, what is Clare Leighton to you?

0:07:46 > 0:07:50Well, it must have been, I would imagine, in the late 1970s.

0:07:50 > 0:07:54I was in a bookshop, always had a love of books, and

0:07:54 > 0:07:56picked up the Four Hedges book,

0:07:56 > 0:07:59didn't appreciate the significance

0:07:59 > 0:08:05of it at the time but, when I started looking into her work,

0:08:05 > 0:08:10I realised how powerful and how significant her images were.

0:08:10 > 0:08:12But was it just her, or wood engraving as a whole?

0:08:12 > 0:08:15Wood engraving as a whole.

0:08:15 > 0:08:18I was particularly struck by the...

0:08:18 > 0:08:20Around the '20s and '30s,

0:08:20 > 0:08:24there seemed to be a plethora of female wood engravers,

0:08:24 > 0:08:28people like Agnes Miller-Parker, Joan Hassall, Gertrude Hermes...

0:08:30 > 0:08:33But I suppose, to me, Agnes Miller-Parker perhaps finer in detail,

0:08:33 > 0:08:39- but I just like the absolute power of Clare Leighton's work.- They're very strong, aren't they?- They are.

0:08:39 > 0:08:43I think that's what appealed to me, as I say, the Four Hedges I certainly

0:08:43 > 0:08:47knew when I was very young, I've still got a couple of copies of it.

0:08:47 > 0:08:50Yes, that's my favourite book because I'm a gardener.

0:08:50 > 0:08:54- Oh, well, it's perfect for you. - You know, I love gardening.

0:08:54 > 0:08:56This is, in a sense, as it says,

0:08:56 > 0:09:00it's The Gardener's Season, so she was a gardener, and so

0:09:00 > 0:09:04as one goes through the book you find this mixture of beautifully drawn...

0:09:04 > 0:09:08- They are, yes.- ..and then wonderful scenes like that of...

0:09:08 > 0:09:12And what has gone in to make that picture is always

0:09:12 > 0:09:14behind, you know, wonderful skill.

0:09:14 > 0:09:16Yes, it's the skill of the engraving

0:09:16 > 0:09:20of the wood, but it's also the strong, rich contrast

0:09:20 > 0:09:24between the black and white and I think that's why wood engraving appealed so much.

0:09:24 > 0:09:29She was a very determined woman, she wrote her own books, she'd engrave

0:09:29 > 0:09:33books as illustrator for other publishers.

0:09:33 > 0:09:37Erm, emigrated to America in 1939, she became an American citizen in

0:09:37 > 0:09:43- 1945 and lived the rest of her life there until she died in 1989.- Yes.

0:09:43 > 0:09:45And when she was in America of course

0:09:45 > 0:09:48she could take further this ruralist, this strong country tradition.

0:09:48 > 0:09:51- Typical I think are these Wedgwood plates.- Yes.

0:09:51 > 0:09:54Now these are a set of 12, isn't it?

0:09:54 > 0:10:00- Yes.- Produced by Wedgwood in the early 1950s, the basic industries

0:10:00 > 0:10:07of New England, and it's things like the grist mill, erm, ice cutting,

0:10:07 > 0:10:10it's a whole range of rural industries and, of course,

0:10:10 > 0:10:14we're at a period when there was a romance about these, many of them

0:10:14 > 0:10:18were disappearing, mechanisation was taking over and I think her voice is

0:10:18 > 0:10:22not saying, "Gosh," you know, "it's all going to be awful."

0:10:22 > 0:10:24She's simply saying, "This is what we have,

0:10:24 > 0:10:26- "let's record it, let's remember it all."- Yes.

0:10:26 > 0:10:29Now, what do you pay for things like this?

0:10:29 > 0:10:32If we go back to the first book,

0:10:32 > 0:10:36- erm, I probably paid I think about £2 or £3 for it.- Yes.

0:10:36 > 0:10:38Back in 1977.

0:10:38 > 0:10:40And now what are you paying?

0:10:40 > 0:10:43Because there is a greater awareness I think of her work

0:10:43 > 0:10:49- I tend to pay more. The plates probably about 20 or 30 each.- Yes.

0:10:49 > 0:10:52Which is not much and also the difficulty is,

0:10:52 > 0:10:55you don't get them very often in the UK.

0:10:55 > 0:10:58- No. Because they were made for the American market.- Yes.

0:10:58 > 0:11:02I mean, as you know, I mean you're probably as au fait with

0:11:02 > 0:11:05values as I am, you know, a good signed edition like that is

0:11:05 > 0:11:11probably going to be about £100, possibly more, the plates, as you

0:11:11 > 0:11:16say, can be bought for £10-£15 each and this is great collecting

0:11:16 > 0:11:20and I think you've done very well, I'm very envious of some of these.

0:11:20 > 0:11:24Well, a relative had died in the family and we were left the house,

0:11:24 > 0:11:28it was left to me parents at that time, and, er,

0:11:28 > 0:11:32when you're youngsters, you go out into the back garden and you start

0:11:32 > 0:11:38digging stuff up and playing around and, erm, I found that along with

0:11:38 > 0:11:41various other pieces of silver, and it was all in the back garden.

0:11:41 > 0:11:45- Just buried?- Just buried in the back garden, yeah, but it turned out that

0:11:45 > 0:11:49my great-grandparents were actually some form of antique dealers

0:11:49 > 0:11:53and stuff like that, but I think they went a bit eccentric,

0:11:53 > 0:11:56come the end, and... and just put it in the garden.

0:11:56 > 0:11:58Good heavens! What a wonderful story!

0:11:58 > 0:12:00- Yeah. - And how old were you at the time?

0:12:00 > 0:12:03I must have been about 15, 16, I would say.

0:12:03 > 0:12:06Right, and did you then clean it up yourself?

0:12:06 > 0:12:08I had a bit of a go at it, yeah,

0:12:08 > 0:12:11and it's been basically in a box and it's moved from one garage to

0:12:11 > 0:12:17another garage over the years and then I've been meaning to come to an Antiques Roadshow for many years.

0:12:17 > 0:12:21Well, you can probably tell by what's engraved at the bottom here -

0:12:21 > 0:12:23"Brandy" - that it comes under

0:12:23 > 0:12:26the general name of a wine label, even though it's actually a spirit.

0:12:26 > 0:12:31- Yes.- But what you might not know is, this is one of the rarest wine labels I have ever seen.

0:12:32 > 0:12:35- Mmm. - In fact it might well be unique.

0:12:36 > 0:12:39Not only that, it's beautifully marked on the front here,

0:12:39 > 0:12:44it's got a date letter here for 1838, it's got a maker's mark over here,

0:12:44 > 0:12:46"WE" for William Elliott.

0:12:46 > 0:12:49- Right.- But I think one of the nicest features of all

0:12:49 > 0:12:51is that, if we turn it round,

0:12:51 > 0:12:53on the back here,

0:12:53 > 0:12:57actually got the name of the ship, the "Blenheim", and "60 guns".

0:12:57 > 0:13:01- Right.- Have you made any attempt to find out...?- I haven't, no.

0:13:01 > 0:13:05No, I should think if you contacted the National Maritime Museum or

0:13:05 > 0:13:09some institution like that, you'd get a pretty good idea to find out what

0:13:09 > 0:13:14this ship was and if it was involved in any major engagements.

0:13:14 > 0:13:19- Can you imagine if it was involved in Trafalgar or something...? - Well, yeah.

0:13:19 > 0:13:21It would be a very different object altogether.

0:13:21 > 0:13:24As it is, this is a very, very special piece.

0:13:24 > 0:13:26- Right.- Very special.

0:13:26 > 0:13:30It could well be a one-off wine label.

0:13:30 > 0:13:34It's not a converted piece because - do you notice at the bottom,

0:13:34 > 0:13:37the sea is actually cut away?

0:13:37 > 0:13:40- Yeah.- Where they've left a space for the name to be engraved.- Right.

0:13:40 > 0:13:44I presume from the age of 15 onwards you've never had it checked out.

0:13:44 > 0:13:45I haven't, no, it's just...

0:13:45 > 0:13:47I just imagined it went

0:13:47 > 0:13:51on a decanter and it would have been like brandy, maybe port or something like that

0:13:51 > 0:13:54and there were probably four of them there.

0:13:54 > 0:13:57- Possibly.- And that was one of the four, that's what was in my head.

0:13:57 > 0:14:01- Quite, quite possibly.- I've never done any research into it.

0:14:01 > 0:14:05- Well, I think you might need a big swig of brandy in a moment.- Right.

0:14:06 > 0:14:10I think this is worth between £3,000 and £4,000.

0:14:10 > 0:14:12- Yeah?- Yeah.

0:14:12 > 0:14:18This is any collector's dream. It is an absolutely must-have wine label.

0:14:20 > 0:14:22Well, what a fantastic clock!

0:14:22 > 0:14:24I'm sure,

0:14:24 > 0:14:28I'm positive that a clock like this must have a fascinating history.

0:14:28 > 0:14:31Yeah, I've been given a letter by my mother-in-law which details

0:14:31 > 0:14:37the history quite comprehensively and we believe that it was gifted

0:14:37 > 0:14:39to my late husband's grandmother.

0:14:39 > 0:14:42- Right.- By one of Carl Faberge's sons.

0:14:42 > 0:14:44Carl Faberge, the famous Russian jeweller?

0:14:44 > 0:14:48Yes. And it was brought to London from Russia,

0:14:48 > 0:14:50prior to its being given to her.

0:14:51 > 0:14:57So, Carl Faberge must have...his son must have settled in London and...

0:14:57 > 0:14:59We believe so, yeah, and he was about to move

0:14:59 > 0:15:02house and didn't have room for it.

0:15:02 > 0:15:05That would explain how a clock like this came over to England.

0:15:05 > 0:15:09Well, it all figures, it makes perfect sense because

0:15:09 > 0:15:13it is... I've been doing clocks for an awful long time,

0:15:13 > 0:15:15and it is a difficult clock to place.

0:15:15 > 0:15:17It's only when you take the movement out

0:15:17 > 0:15:21that you realise that it is in fact made in Russia.

0:15:21 > 0:15:24And I have had a word with Christopher Payne

0:15:24 > 0:15:27in the furniture side, and he tells me that this is birch wood.

0:15:27 > 0:15:32- Right.- Which is harvested from the Karelian Forest in the Baltic

0:15:32 > 0:15:36and it looks exactly like mahogany. I could have sworn it was mahogany

0:15:36 > 0:15:39but Christopher tells me absolutely not.

0:15:39 > 0:15:41We wondered if it was German.

0:15:41 > 0:15:45Well, it does have a very German overtone, this architectural pediment

0:15:45 > 0:15:47and this lovely reeded decoration,

0:15:47 > 0:15:50this is absolutely lovely,

0:15:50 > 0:15:54- but it is in fact almost certainly made in Russia.- Right.

0:15:54 > 0:15:59What I love about this case, what is really special, is the way, although

0:15:59 > 0:16:03it's quite a crude construction, it has one secret little catch to it.

0:16:03 > 0:16:07If you press this button on the top here, it releases the door

0:16:07 > 0:16:11and it's beautifully made and it just releases, away it goes.

0:16:11 > 0:16:12And in order to get it back,

0:16:12 > 0:16:15you put it gently back in there

0:16:15 > 0:16:19and click, straight back into place, beautifully made.

0:16:19 > 0:16:22It's probably, it's the best part of the whole case, it's lovely.

0:16:22 > 0:16:25We've got a gilt metal bezel that goes around the dial

0:16:25 > 0:16:27and what we call a regulator dial,

0:16:27 > 0:16:31where the seconds, minutes and hours are all separated out,

0:16:31 > 0:16:34- and was most often used for astronomical observation.- Right.

0:16:34 > 0:16:38People who observed the stars needed to know the exact time keeping.

0:16:38 > 0:16:41What they really wanted to know was the position of a star

0:16:41 > 0:16:45going from one point to the next and they timed the star

0:16:45 > 0:16:48going from one point to the next using a regulator.

0:16:48 > 0:16:52And I suspect that this clock, being in a very flashy case,

0:16:52 > 0:16:56was probably used by either an amateur astronomer

0:16:56 > 0:16:58or it could have been the house regulator.

0:16:58 > 0:17:03It would have been the clock in the house that told the most perfect time.

0:17:03 > 0:17:06As you walked out of the front door, you took out your pocket watch,

0:17:06 > 0:17:09checked the time from the best quality time keeper in the house,

0:17:09 > 0:17:12corrected your watch and strode off to work.

0:17:12 > 0:17:15They were very expensive clocks to buy at the time,

0:17:15 > 0:17:18around 1840, that sort of period. Value is extremely difficult.

0:17:18 > 0:17:22Um...I've never had to value one before.

0:17:22 > 0:17:24Have you got it insured?

0:17:24 > 0:17:26No!

0:17:26 > 0:17:29- No.- Well, many times people don't have them insured.

0:17:29 > 0:17:31I think it's fantastic,

0:17:31 > 0:17:36and I can see that at auction it could easily fetch...

0:17:36 > 0:17:40Because the Russian market has gone from richer to richer

0:17:40 > 0:17:44and there's an awful lot of Russian money around at the moment,

0:17:44 > 0:17:49I can see this clock fetching anywhere between £10,000 and £15,000.

0:17:49 > 0:17:51- Right.- So, you need to take good care of it.

0:17:51 > 0:17:54Insurance, you probably ought to insure it

0:17:54 > 0:17:57- for as much as £20,000-£25,000. - Yeah.

0:17:59 > 0:18:03These give the impression of not having been assembled recently.

0:18:03 > 0:18:07No, I've inherited them from my parents who inherited them

0:18:07 > 0:18:09from my mother's aunt.

0:18:09 > 0:18:12- Right, so you...- So, that would have been in the '20s and '30s.

0:18:12 > 0:18:16Good time to be buying. A lot of good things were available then.

0:18:16 > 0:18:17Yes, I think they were lucky.

0:18:17 > 0:18:20- So, you've got them at home?- Yes.

0:18:20 > 0:18:24Must be quite difficult housing them!

0:18:24 > 0:18:28I mean, these are not sort of little dishes, are they?

0:18:28 > 0:18:31We've got these on the top of quite a big buffet.

0:18:31 > 0:18:34- Oh, right.- And the rest are scattered round the house.

0:18:34 > 0:18:36Right. OK.

0:18:37 > 0:18:40There is one that sticks out

0:18:40 > 0:18:43as not belonging to the rest.

0:18:45 > 0:18:46Which is it?

0:18:46 > 0:18:50Erm, I would imagine this one.

0:18:50 > 0:18:51Wrong.

0:18:52 > 0:18:55They're all Chinese...

0:18:55 > 0:18:57- except that one.- Ah.

0:18:57 > 0:18:59- That's Japanese.- Ah.

0:19:00 > 0:19:03That is Seto porcelain.

0:19:03 > 0:19:07That dates from around 1880,

0:19:07 > 0:19:09and that would fetch

0:19:09 > 0:19:12somewhere in the region of £300 to £400.

0:19:12 > 0:19:15Now, in the 18th century,

0:19:15 > 0:19:19Chinese porcelain was flooding into Europe in huge quantities,

0:19:19 > 0:19:25brought over by the East India Companies.

0:19:25 > 0:19:28What the East India Companies liked...

0:19:30 > 0:19:32..were objects like that,

0:19:32 > 0:19:35because this is heavy

0:19:35 > 0:19:37and you can pack it tight

0:19:37 > 0:19:40in the bottom of the ship, right?

0:19:40 > 0:19:43So, square objects - good news.

0:19:43 > 0:19:46Bad news - complex objects like teapots.

0:19:48 > 0:19:51And even more bad news - huge objects like that.

0:19:52 > 0:19:54But these are extraordinary.

0:19:55 > 0:20:00These dishes would probably have come with a dinner service,

0:20:00 > 0:20:03but were not part of it

0:20:03 > 0:20:06in the sense that they would have been used.

0:20:06 > 0:20:08They were buffet dishes, just as you've got them,

0:20:08 > 0:20:10you're doing exactly the right thing,

0:20:10 > 0:20:12you've got them on a buffet,

0:20:12 > 0:20:17- they are for display, they're to show how wealthy you are.- Right.

0:20:17 > 0:20:20Because you invite your smart friends in to dinner

0:20:20 > 0:20:24and they come in and they say, "Wow, look at the size of those dishes!"

0:20:24 > 0:20:27And they know you've paid a huge amount of money for them.

0:20:27 > 0:20:32Because to get these landed in England in good condition

0:20:32 > 0:20:34in the 18th century...

0:20:34 > 0:20:36And I say 18th century,

0:20:36 > 0:20:40I mean, we're talking about 1745-1755 for these.

0:20:41 > 0:20:43..was not easy.

0:20:43 > 0:20:45In fact, that one is cracked,

0:20:45 > 0:20:49but this one is in good condition.

0:20:50 > 0:20:52Do you know, that's fascinating.

0:20:53 > 0:20:55Rule of thumb...

0:20:55 > 0:20:58if you've got spur marks

0:20:58 > 0:21:02where the thing was fired on the bottom of a dish, it's Japanese.

0:21:02 > 0:21:04Oh, right.

0:21:05 > 0:21:07- You don't get them on Chinese.- Ah.

0:21:07 > 0:21:11But this one was so large, they had to put spur marks on, otherwise it

0:21:11 > 0:21:17would have sunk in the kiln, so here is an exception to the rule, but that

0:21:17 > 0:21:21red colour - absolutely characteristic of Chinese.

0:21:22 > 0:21:26So, you've got a pair of dishes, one with a slight crack

0:21:26 > 0:21:28but the other perfect,

0:21:28 > 0:21:30which is extremely unusual.

0:21:30 > 0:21:34I've got a feeling that if those were in auction,

0:21:34 > 0:21:36you'd be looking at...

0:21:36 > 0:21:39£3,000-£4,000.

0:21:39 > 0:21:41Good grief!

0:21:48 > 0:21:51Well, I've seen people arrive at Antiques Roadshows

0:21:51 > 0:21:54on a lot of different types of machine,

0:21:54 > 0:21:57but this takes the biscuit, it's wonderful. Tell me what she is.

0:21:58 > 0:22:01It's a 1901 Locomobile steam car.

0:22:01 > 0:22:03She's just glorious.

0:22:03 > 0:22:08Listen to that, a whisper, nothing in the background practically.

0:22:08 > 0:22:11Now, are you the proud restorer of this machine?

0:22:11 > 0:22:15No, I regret I can't claim restoring it,

0:22:15 > 0:22:21but I bought it because somebody rang me up and said, "Would you like to buy a steam car?"

0:22:21 > 0:22:24- So what does one do, but buy a steam car?- Absolutely.

0:22:24 > 0:22:29Well, I remember steam cars, I used to do the London to Brighton rally in a previous life

0:22:29 > 0:22:33and I was driven on a 1902 Pannard Lavasser and this thing

0:22:33 > 0:22:37- always broke down and do you know what always sailed past?- A steam car.

0:22:37 > 0:22:39- A blooming steam car!- Of course.

0:22:39 > 0:22:45And it was so infuriating, but I think looking at this machine,

0:22:45 > 0:22:48listening to it, knowing what it runs on - it runs

0:22:48 > 0:22:51on water with a little bit of petrol and that's it.

0:22:51 > 0:22:54It's the solution really to all our transport problems, isn't it?

0:22:54 > 0:22:57Provided we're happy to go just a little bit slower.

0:22:57 > 0:23:02It is because even with a petrol fuel, the combustion is so much better,

0:23:02 > 0:23:06you don't get the nitrous oxide you get with these internal combustion engines.

0:23:06 > 0:23:10- Exactly, exactly.- So you don't have that, you don't have the noise,

0:23:10 > 0:23:15you can drive along with this at 20-25 miles an hour if you're brave,

0:23:15 > 0:23:17and you can hear the birds singing in the hedges.

0:23:17 > 0:23:21- It's wonderful. - I can demonstrate if you so wish. - That would be fantastic.

0:23:21 > 0:23:25I tell you, I live in the Midlands, so we ought to set off fairly soon!

0:23:30 > 0:23:33The quality of this carving is absolutely wonderful.

0:23:33 > 0:23:37- What's her name?- O Mimosasan.

0:23:37 > 0:23:39Right, and her history?

0:23:39 > 0:23:42Her history is that she came from an aunt by marriage

0:23:42 > 0:23:45who was in love with China, and all things Chinese

0:23:45 > 0:23:47so when her husband was posted to

0:23:47 > 0:23:51Hong Kong, it was just a superb gift and she collected all sorts of bits

0:23:51 > 0:23:55and pieces, some from a more senior officer who admired her greatly

0:23:55 > 0:23:57and others she collected herself.

0:23:57 > 0:24:00- So, she was a China fan? - She was a China fan.

0:24:00 > 0:24:02And she gave her a Japanese name?

0:24:02 > 0:24:05I don't know, you're the expert, you must tell me.

0:24:05 > 0:24:07- She is Japanese.- She is?

0:24:07 > 0:24:09- She is.- I wondered whether she was.

0:24:09 > 0:24:11The Japanese at this time, what, 1900-1910...?

0:24:11 > 0:24:16About 1920 they were out there, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't bought earlier.

0:24:16 > 0:24:19Well, I would say it could have been carved certainly as early as 1900.

0:24:19 > 0:24:221920 - it's unlikely. By then the quality was really

0:24:22 > 0:24:26going down, but this is superb and it's so superb that the artist has

0:24:26 > 0:24:28actually of course signed underneath.

0:24:28 > 0:24:33I can't read that because it's in a grass script, but it is beautiful,

0:24:33 > 0:24:35a beautiful piece of carving.

0:24:35 > 0:24:39I know, you can study her for hours and it's just exquisite.

0:24:39 > 0:24:41But the icing on the cake is really the fact that she's

0:24:41 > 0:24:45been inlaid with these little pieces of mother of pearl.

0:24:45 > 0:24:48At some stage someone's done a bit of a repair job.

0:24:48 > 0:24:49These have been glued back in.

0:24:49 > 0:24:52- Yes, not very well, I'm afraid. - Is that you?- Certainly not.

0:24:54 > 0:24:58Er, this is, erm, a technique which we generically call shibayama

0:24:58 > 0:25:02technique and it is very, very good, especially on the back of the obi

0:25:02 > 0:25:06at the back of the costume, you've a little bit of a loss there.

0:25:06 > 0:25:09So she is Japanese, not Chinese,

0:25:09 > 0:25:14and she is worth somewhere in the region of, I guess, £400 to £500.

0:25:14 > 0:25:16Oh, right. Oh, that's lovely.

0:25:18 > 0:25:20So, here's a painting by Jacob Jacob.

0:25:20 > 0:25:24I hope I've pronounced that right - probably not.

0:25:24 > 0:25:27Dutch, 1844, and it's signed down here by...

0:25:27 > 0:25:29Well, it's like "Jacob Jacob".

0:25:29 > 0:25:32I like this little white sign here where they've called him

0:25:32 > 0:25:36"Yacoob Yacoob", Anglicising it. It's Antwerp.

0:25:37 > 0:25:39It's lovely, isn't it?

0:25:39 > 0:25:44Yes, it was hung on my husband's parents' dining room wall

0:25:44 > 0:25:45for a very long time and then

0:25:45 > 0:25:48we were lucky enough to be given it

0:25:48 > 0:25:49about 12, 13 years ago.

0:25:49 > 0:25:51Yes, I see.

0:25:51 > 0:25:53It has this lovely light in it.

0:25:53 > 0:25:56It's sort of aqueous that light.

0:25:56 > 0:25:57I was looking for a word

0:25:57 > 0:26:00and aqueous I thought just had it.

0:26:00 > 0:26:04It's like a very thin line of buildings across there, it's a bit

0:26:04 > 0:26:06like some artists paint Venice,

0:26:06 > 0:26:08or more appropriately Petersburg.

0:26:08 > 0:26:14Because this artist spent time in the Baltic and it seems to me to have a rather sort of Danish feel to it.

0:26:14 > 0:26:19I love the way that light plays on it as well, especially in the foreground where it's quite golden

0:26:19 > 0:26:22and then it gets cooler and cooler as it goes into the distance.

0:26:22 > 0:26:26Because it's got such a low line of buildings, you get this sense

0:26:26 > 0:26:30of sweeping right back into the far, far distance, that works very well.

0:26:32 > 0:26:35No, it's a really lovely thing and you've also brought along

0:26:35 > 0:26:37this other picture here.

0:26:37 > 0:26:39We'll move over there and have a look at that.

0:26:39 > 0:26:43Now this is him somewhere else altogether.

0:26:43 > 0:26:45I just love the juxtaposition of

0:26:45 > 0:26:49the two pictures because here he is in the near East, he's gone to Egypt

0:26:49 > 0:26:53and again he's drawn on this library in his mind,

0:26:53 > 0:26:58I think, and painted it in a very Italianate way with these golden

0:26:58 > 0:27:02Italianate colours, a bit like the French artist Claude Lorraine, with

0:27:02 > 0:27:08this wonderful sort of sunset going on and this romantic picturesqueness,

0:27:08 > 0:27:13but I don't think Egypt really looks like that. What do you think?

0:27:13 > 0:27:16Well, I've never been to Egypt and it is how I always thought

0:27:16 > 0:27:20Egypt would be, very romantic and with lovely

0:27:20 > 0:27:25architectural, archaeological features, but I don't know Egypt.

0:27:25 > 0:27:29Yes, well, I confess I don't either, but I know this...

0:27:29 > 0:27:32- It's got its palm tree. - Yes, it's certainly that,

0:27:32 > 0:27:34but it has got this very Italianate way of looking at it.

0:27:34 > 0:27:38I suppose being in the family for so long you've never valued them

0:27:38 > 0:27:40- No.- No thoughts of that at all?

0:27:40 > 0:27:43Well, it's never been really important

0:27:43 > 0:27:46because we've just always loved having them

0:27:46 > 0:27:49and I know my in-laws loved having them, too.

0:27:49 > 0:27:51Yes, yes, well, I'm, you know...

0:27:51 > 0:27:54a picture this size by this artist would typically fetch about £8,000.

0:27:54 > 0:27:56Would it?

0:27:56 > 0:28:00Yes, but again it's bringing a kind of Western way of painting,

0:28:00 > 0:28:02it seems to me, to Egypt.

0:28:02 > 0:28:05Other painters went to Egypt and painted exactly what they saw,

0:28:05 > 0:28:07no frills.

0:28:07 > 0:28:10I think that he's been... if we go back to this painting...

0:28:10 > 0:28:12..rather more honest in a sense

0:28:12 > 0:28:15because this is his homeland and I think he's

0:28:15 > 0:28:19found it easier to depict it and it's much more effective in that way.

0:28:19 > 0:28:24Certainly it has got more resonance for me and probably for the market,

0:28:24 > 0:28:26worth about £15,000, I think.

0:28:26 > 0:28:28Gosh!

0:28:30 > 0:28:35- I'm a bookbinder, that's my hobby. - Right.- And whenever I see a piece of leather

0:28:35 > 0:28:38with tooling on it, I get kind of excited.

0:28:38 > 0:28:43And that's exactly the kind of box

0:28:43 > 0:28:47or case that really you think, "What am I going to find inside there?"

0:28:47 > 0:28:51"It's got to be something good," so,

0:28:51 > 0:28:53up come the hooks...

0:28:56 > 0:29:02And we have a little glass inside, nicely cut, wheel-cut

0:29:02 > 0:29:09with a diaper pattern, pearls with a crown above an "A"- who dat?!

0:29:09 > 0:29:14Well, my great-grandfather, who obtained it in Paris, I think

0:29:14 > 0:29:18around 1867, said that it was Marie Antoinette's,

0:29:18 > 0:29:23but I've since had it looked at by somebody who said the cipher's not hers.

0:29:23 > 0:29:26- It isn't.- It's somebody else's. - It isn't Marie Antoinette.

0:29:26 > 0:29:29This is a real bit of social history.

0:29:29 > 0:29:33Why do you have a glass in a leather case?

0:29:33 > 0:29:36And of course... Do you know?

0:29:36 > 0:29:38Well, to protect it while it was travelling.

0:29:38 > 0:29:42She took it in rough riding coaches you know, very hard springs.

0:29:42 > 0:29:47- Everything would have been thrown around.- They were travelling the whole time

0:29:47 > 0:29:49and they were pulling up into inns

0:29:49 > 0:29:51and the inn had got no cutlery,

0:29:51 > 0:29:56it had got no glasses, it had got no bedding...

0:29:56 > 0:29:59Well, it probably had got bedding but it was a straw palliasse, and unless

0:29:59 > 0:30:03you wanted to scratch all the next day, you brought your own bedding.

0:30:03 > 0:30:07There was a retinue going on for ever with these people as they

0:30:07 > 0:30:13travelled round and yes, that was exactly why you had a case.

0:30:13 > 0:30:18I think it might never be possible to track down whose this was.

0:30:18 > 0:30:20- Yes.- But it might be.

0:30:20 > 0:30:23I think it's a jolly nice little thing,

0:30:23 > 0:30:28it's a sophisticated little bit of glass-making and I think that would

0:30:28 > 0:30:32probably sell, depending again on who it turns out to be,

0:30:32 > 0:30:36somewhere around £700 to £1,000.

0:30:38 > 0:30:42This big red book seems to have been through the wars. What's the story?

0:30:42 > 0:30:47Well, it has to some degree. It came out of my great-great-grandfather's

0:30:47 > 0:30:52ship, the Africa, which was involved in Trafalgar and it was actually

0:30:52 > 0:30:58in the bookcase in his cabin when one of the cannonballs came more or less through the

0:30:58 > 0:31:03porthole and smashed the bookcase and it crumpled and smashed the top

0:31:03 > 0:31:07of the book itself and because a cannonball in those days was a

0:31:07 > 0:31:10very, very hot object coming through, I think this is one

0:31:10 > 0:31:15of the reasons why the leather has got so, so pitted and so on.

0:31:15 > 0:31:17And the inscription that it's

0:31:17 > 0:31:21actually got inside it tells you what actually happened on that day.

0:31:21 > 0:31:25It says that, "This book was shivered in this manner by a shot

0:31:25 > 0:31:30"knocking to pieces the bookcase in the Battle of Cape Trafalgar,

0:31:30 > 0:31:36"October 21st 1805 on board The Africa, 64 guns,

0:31:36 > 0:31:37"signed Henry Digby."

0:31:37 > 0:31:40This is wonderful stuff. What is the book itself?

0:31:40 > 0:31:44Well, the book itself - we always assumed that it was some sort of

0:31:44 > 0:31:48weighty tome on the Battle of the Nile and how it was fought and everything else

0:31:48 > 0:31:51and my father the other day decided he'd read through it

0:31:51 > 0:31:56and it's actually entitled "The Memoirs of the Compte de Grammont".

0:31:56 > 0:32:00It turns out that this is actually the equivalent of Lady Chatterley's Lover of the time

0:32:00 > 0:32:03and so I think we could almost say that

0:32:03 > 0:32:05this is 18th-century pornography.

0:32:06 > 0:32:10- A little...- Very useful in the Captain's cabin, I'm sure.

0:32:10 > 0:32:12- Yes, a little bedside reading.- Yes.

0:32:12 > 0:32:16- We'll keep the inscription and close the leaf.- Thank you.

0:32:17 > 0:32:20Luckily for me, they brought this

0:32:20 > 0:32:23to me because it's furniture, at least it's small furniture.

0:32:23 > 0:32:26It's bigger than treen - or it doesn't quite fit into that.

0:32:26 > 0:32:31It's carved wood in the most wonderful style, a mystery object so far.

0:32:31 > 0:32:36I want to look at the stand in more detail, so tell me what you think it is anyway.

0:32:36 > 0:32:39It's just got a bit of black glass in there, so...

0:32:39 > 0:32:40I have no idea, I've asked

0:32:40 > 0:32:44lots of people for several years and they have no idea what it is.

0:32:44 > 0:32:48- Really?- I brought it along today to see you could throw any light on it.

0:32:48 > 0:32:51I'm very glad you did. How did you find it? Where did you find it?

0:32:51 > 0:32:56It was in a box of goodies that belonged to my former husband and I've just had it restored.

0:32:56 > 0:32:58Well, whoever did it is to be commended because he did

0:32:58 > 0:33:03a first class job. It's what I would call sympathetic restoration, but the

0:33:03 > 0:33:07fineness of this is reminiscent of the Bushey School of Art.

0:33:07 > 0:33:12Herkomer is the man responsible for leading that movement,

0:33:12 > 0:33:16and we look under here, these lovely big fat fleshy leaves which are

0:33:16 > 0:33:19beautifully carved, look at the kick in that scroll.

0:33:19 > 0:33:22When you come down here, you've got this sort of Tudoresque style

0:33:22 > 0:33:26with the finest possible little flowers,

0:33:26 > 0:33:29and each of those panels is different.

0:33:29 > 0:33:31I mean absolutely charming.

0:33:32 > 0:33:36Somebody might have suggested, because this is black glass,

0:33:36 > 0:33:40that it might be for looking at eclipses, but in fact

0:33:40 > 0:33:43it's a "Claude glass"

0:33:43 > 0:33:45named after Claude Lorrain,

0:33:45 > 0:33:51the artist, OK, and it is for an artist to hold up

0:33:51 > 0:33:54to create the view of his picture.

0:33:54 > 0:33:57It's an illusionary thing.

0:33:57 > 0:34:01- Gosh.- And if you, if you look in here, can you see?

0:34:01 > 0:34:04- Yes.- Now can you see the background, can you see the trees?- Yes.

0:34:04 > 0:34:06Now there's a perfect oil painting

0:34:06 > 0:34:10and that's what he would have in his mind to paint.

0:34:10 > 0:34:12It clarified the vision.

0:34:12 > 0:34:17Fabulously interesting, beautiful object, just wonderful!

0:34:17 > 0:34:22- There, there it is, mystery object solved.- Wonderful.

0:34:22 > 0:34:25Now, value-wise, very difficult.

0:34:27 > 0:34:32Its value wouldn't relate to its extreme rarity and interest, but to

0:34:32 > 0:34:38a collector today, anything between £800 and £1,200 - that sort of price.

0:34:38 > 0:34:41- Gosh. - Oh, yes, I know, I've got four people

0:34:41 > 0:34:44lined up here who'd like to buy it.

0:34:48 > 0:34:50This is so exciting for these to turn up today.

0:34:50 > 0:34:53EHS - Ernest Howard Sheppard -

0:34:53 > 0:34:57an obvious-looking Owlie and Eyore and Pooh,

0:34:57 > 0:35:00absolutely fantastic.

0:35:00 > 0:35:03Just out of interest, where did these come from originally?

0:35:03 > 0:35:06In my lifetime they hung in my grandmother's spare room

0:35:06 > 0:35:10at her house when I stayed when I was a kid and I got interested in them.

0:35:10 > 0:35:13As far as I know, they've been in the family since my mother's

0:35:13 > 0:35:16childhood and she can tell you more about that.

0:35:16 > 0:35:20They were in my nursery when I was three in the early '50s.

0:35:20 > 0:35:25She had an aunt who bought her all the original books when they first came out, the year they came out.

0:35:25 > 0:35:28- The first editions.- I think they were first editions.

0:35:28 > 0:35:31They could have been the second because of the short print runs.

0:35:31 > 0:35:35We think they came into the family that way and then it's possible,

0:35:35 > 0:35:40that she went to a book signing with that aunt and was given these there.

0:35:40 > 0:35:44Well, great foresight on her behalf and she obviously loved the images.

0:35:44 > 0:35:47Now I know quite a lot about Ernest Howard Sheppard because

0:35:47 > 0:35:51many years ago, in the late '70s, I actually was involved in doing

0:35:51 > 0:35:53a studio sale of his pictures.

0:35:53 > 0:35:58And of course he was born in the 1870s and of course his early work

0:35:58 > 0:36:02- was in the early 1900s - he did it for Punch magazine.- Really?

0:36:02 > 0:36:09And then he started illustrating and he met AA Milne in the 1920s and did,

0:36:09 > 0:36:13in 1924, When We Were Young with Christopher Robin

0:36:13 > 0:36:17and then, in 1928, did the first Winnie The Pooh book.

0:36:17 > 0:36:21And of course in the 1930s he illustrated Kenneth Grahame's

0:36:21 > 0:36:23Wind In The Willows.

0:36:23 > 0:36:25And when you look at these closely,

0:36:25 > 0:36:27you know, when he started doing these figures,

0:36:27 > 0:36:30it's not just pen and ink, there is pencil underneath that.

0:36:30 > 0:36:35He'd worked out the images freehand and there's so much spontaneity here.

0:36:35 > 0:36:38You've only just got to look at Owlie, it's fantastic.

0:36:38 > 0:36:43If we come up the top here, I mean just look at this, a fantastic study

0:36:43 > 0:36:45because you've got Pooh stuck in

0:36:45 > 0:36:49the sort of rabbit hole, being pulled out by Christopher Robin.

0:36:49 > 0:36:51Rabbit's behind and then we've got

0:36:51 > 0:36:54Piglet there hanging on the back trying to

0:36:54 > 0:36:57pull him out, and it's just charming.

0:36:57 > 0:37:00I imagine there would have been some writing in here.

0:37:00 > 0:37:02They've left some space.

0:37:02 > 0:37:04Now the condition, as I say,

0:37:04 > 0:37:08it's an original and we've got mould here round the signature.

0:37:08 > 0:37:11Now forget about the mould, that can

0:37:11 > 0:37:15easily be removed, but it's just so nice because these aren't... He did

0:37:15 > 0:37:20rework some of his images in the 1950s and '60s and he died in 1976.

0:37:21 > 0:37:25But these are actually from the 1920s and '30s period.

0:37:25 > 0:37:29You can tell just by the way that they look.

0:37:29 > 0:37:34And some years ago I sold a little picture of Toad

0:37:34 > 0:37:38when he came out of jail, dressed in washerwoman's clothes, and we had

0:37:38 > 0:37:43an estimate of £5,000-£7,000 on it and it made £10,000, just for one.

0:37:43 > 0:37:47- Wow!- But having told you about Wind In The Willows, of course,

0:37:47 > 0:37:50Pooh is much, much more popular.

0:37:50 > 0:37:55And so we've got the three here and I look at Owlie and I look at

0:37:55 > 0:37:57Eyore and Pooh looking up like that.

0:37:57 > 0:38:00I think, what is that worth?

0:38:00 > 0:38:02Well, I can tell you they're certainly going

0:38:02 > 0:38:05to be worth £20,000 to £30,000...

0:38:05 > 0:38:06- Woah!- ..just for those three.

0:38:06 > 0:38:07Wow!

0:38:08 > 0:38:11So, we come to this one.

0:38:11 > 0:38:14Now, I don't know if this is the original from the book,

0:38:14 > 0:38:17but if it is, and I know

0:38:17 > 0:38:20- that this would make between £30,000 and £50,000.- Wow!

0:38:20 > 0:38:23- That is how popular.- Wow!

0:38:23 > 0:38:25There's a huge interest in America.

0:38:25 > 0:38:28Wonderful.

0:38:28 > 0:38:33A vote of thanks to Sir Edward Phelips, who built Montacute House over 400 years ago.

0:38:33 > 0:38:38The family name lives on in the title of a pub in the village, which I think is a wonderful legacy.

0:38:38 > 0:38:41Thanks to the National Trust for opening the gates and to the people

0:38:41 > 0:38:43of Somerset for coming through them.

0:38:43 > 0:38:46Until the next time, from Montacute House, goodbye.