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0:00:02 > 0:00:06Welcome to Flog It, the show that values antiques and collectables

0:00:06 > 0:00:09then puts them under the hammer at auction.

0:00:09 > 0:00:13We're in the far northwest corner of Wales, the city of Bangor.

0:00:35 > 0:00:39'The BBC has a long association with Bangor.

0:00:39 > 0:00:42'As bombs dropped on London during the War,

0:00:42 > 0:00:44'BBC Light Entertainment moved here.

0:00:44 > 0:00:49'Popular radio programmes from the '40s such as It's That Man Again

0:00:49 > 0:00:55'were broadcast live from the County Theatre, now Penrhyn Hall.'

0:00:55 > 0:00:57Ladies and gentlemen, ITMA!

0:00:57 > 0:01:02'ITMA, as it was known, was listened to by up to half the population -

0:01:02 > 0:01:07'about 20 million people - the most popular comedy show on radio.

0:01:07 > 0:01:13'It provided essential relief from the horrors of the Second World War.'

0:01:15 > 0:01:19We're keeping up the tradition of providing entertainment from Bangor.

0:01:19 > 0:01:22Flog It has come to town.

0:01:27 > 0:01:29'We have a show full of surprises.

0:01:29 > 0:01:34'Pamela and Glyn bring in an item which is not what it seems.'

0:01:34 > 0:01:39I thought it was a candlestick until we looked at it.

0:01:39 > 0:01:44There's a hole in the top and a hole on the side.

0:01:44 > 0:01:47'Mark sounds confident about Derek's sextant.'

0:01:47 > 0:01:49It's a specialist collecting area.

0:01:49 > 0:01:55Anything to do with marine items are quite keenly sought after...

0:01:55 > 0:01:59'I'm excited about Alwyn's painting.'

0:01:59 > 0:02:04He's very well sought after. You're looking at about £4,000 to £6,000.

0:02:04 > 0:02:06'But is it a fake?'

0:02:06 > 0:02:09David Cox's works are highly forged.

0:02:09 > 0:02:12'Find out later what happens at auction.

0:02:12 > 0:02:18'Leading our team of valuers are Mark Stacey and Adam Partridge.

0:02:20 > 0:02:24'Mark grew up in Wales and should feel at home in Bangor.'

0:02:24 > 0:02:29- You really are a charmer. - I try to be!

0:02:29 > 0:02:31'After a lifetime in the business,

0:02:31 > 0:02:37'Adam is regarded as a safe pair of hands - well, usually.

0:02:38 > 0:02:42'Right, on to our first item, and a colourful number

0:02:42 > 0:02:46'brought in by Pamela and Glyn has Mark's attention.'

0:02:46 > 0:02:50- What a wonderful decorative object. - Thank you.

0:02:50 > 0:02:55- Why have you brought it in? - We thought we might sell it.

0:02:55 > 0:02:58Is it something you bought or inherited?

0:02:58 > 0:03:02- We bought it at an auction. - Where did you buy it?- Anglesey.

0:03:02 > 0:03:07- That was about five years ago. - Gosh. And what did you pay for it?

0:03:07 > 0:03:10I'm afraid we can't remember.

0:03:10 > 0:03:13£20 or something?

0:03:13 > 0:03:18We have a book where we've written things down but can't find it.

0:03:18 > 0:03:25It's in your secret place. I hide something in a secret place and can't remember where.

0:03:25 > 0:03:28It's quite an interesting object.

0:03:28 > 0:03:34It was made by Minton's Art Pottery towards the end of the 19th century,

0:03:34 > 0:03:38when Minton's opened up studios by the artists

0:03:38 > 0:03:40to produce avant-garde designs.

0:03:40 > 0:03:46This is very much modelled on the German movement called secessionism.

0:03:46 > 0:03:51You get these angular shapes and stylised designs.

0:03:51 > 0:03:55Here we've got poppies with the seeds in there.

0:03:55 > 0:03:59You've got these wonderful colours, drip glazes.

0:03:59 > 0:04:03What's unusual is we see a lot of vases and jardinieres,

0:04:03 > 0:04:06but I don't come across candlesticks often.

0:04:06 > 0:04:08What is puzzling me with this

0:04:08 > 0:04:13is I thought it was a candlestick until we've looked at it.

0:04:13 > 0:04:18We realise there's a hole in the top and a hole on the side.

0:04:18 > 0:04:24It's made in the manufacture cos the glaze is dripped into it.

0:04:24 > 0:04:28The only reason I can think that's there

0:04:28 > 0:04:31is for conversion into electricity,

0:04:31 > 0:04:35to make it a little bedside lamp.

0:04:35 > 0:04:40It makes it more unusual and I love that decorative shape of it.

0:04:40 > 0:04:46When we turn it over, we can see the lovely Minton No 1.

0:04:46 > 0:04:48I'm intrigued.

0:04:48 > 0:04:56You bought it at auction. Were you going to collect things like this or was it an impulse buy?

0:04:56 > 0:05:00We were looking at things to collect and maybe sell on.

0:05:00 > 0:05:05It's difficult. You buy things that you like and then you don't stop.

0:05:05 > 0:05:11- And sometimes you've overpaid for things that you like.- Quite.

0:05:11 > 0:05:16- What do you think it's worth today? - I've absolutely no idea. Have you?

0:05:16 > 0:05:19About 70 to 80, maybe?

0:05:19 > 0:05:22I would be tempted to put a bit higher on it.

0:05:22 > 0:05:26I would put an estimate of 100 to 150 on it.

0:05:26 > 0:05:28It's such a nice unusual shape.

0:05:28 > 0:05:32I think a collector would really like this

0:05:32 > 0:05:35as an example for their collection.

0:05:35 > 0:05:40So I think we put 100 to 150 on it, with 100 discretionary reserve.

0:05:40 > 0:05:44Then let's see what it makes on the day.

0:05:44 > 0:05:49- Are you happy with that? - Yes. Very good.- Fine, thank you.

0:05:49 > 0:05:53'Pamela and Glyn did well to buy a quality item by a known maker.

0:05:53 > 0:06:00'It can be hard for the untrained eye to tell a genuine antique from a reproduction.'

0:06:00 > 0:06:05There's something I spotted earlier, a rush light. Come over here.

0:06:06 > 0:06:10Hi. What's your name? Margaret, pleased to meet you.

0:06:10 > 0:06:12I said I'd bring the cameras.

0:06:12 > 0:06:17These were popular in the 17th and 18th century, nibbed rush lights.

0:06:17 > 0:06:21This ball acts as a counterbalance

0:06:21 > 0:06:25to help those pincers shut tight and grip something.

0:06:25 > 0:06:29It's called a rush light because it holds a reed or a rush.

0:06:29 > 0:06:34So this would be dipped in goose fat or duck fat and left to dry,

0:06:34 > 0:06:36and then pinched in there.

0:06:36 > 0:06:40Then you'd set light to that reed and it would be your candlelight.

0:06:40 > 0:06:45Very popular during the 17th and 18th centuries but, unfortunately,

0:06:45 > 0:06:47this one is a reproduction.

0:06:47 > 0:06:52The real McCoy, anything from £400 to £1,200.

0:06:52 > 0:06:56- My goodness!- OK?- OK, thank you.

0:06:56 > 0:06:59'It's still an interesting curio,

0:06:59 > 0:07:05'but there's no doubting the provenance of a box brought in by Ann and Steve.'

0:07:05 > 0:07:09- Hiya, Steve. I'm Adam. - We see you on telly.

0:07:09 > 0:07:14- Do you? You watch it?- Yeah. - And whose is the box?

0:07:14 > 0:07:16It belonged to me mum.

0:07:16 > 0:07:21We've not done anything with it. It's just been in the loft.

0:07:21 > 0:07:25- Where did your mum get it? - It's connected with Formby Hall.

0:07:25 > 0:07:28- The big house on Merseyside?- Yeah.

0:07:28 > 0:07:36- Your mum lived at Formby Hall? - She worked there with my gramp and my grandmother.

0:07:36 > 0:07:39Butler, cook and maid.

0:07:39 > 0:07:42It's a sign of an age gone by.

0:07:42 > 0:07:45It is. Upstairs And Downstairs.

0:07:45 > 0:07:51- Obviously, you want to get rid of it. Do you like it, Ann?- Not really.

0:07:51 > 0:07:55- I would never use it. - That's the thing.

0:07:55 > 0:08:00It's something a collector would buy because people like boxes.

0:08:00 > 0:08:07It's Victorian, made from walnut. It's a travelling vanity case.

0:08:07 > 0:08:12It's fitted with these little bottles with silver plated tops.

0:08:12 > 0:08:15With an initial on. Intertwined FJ.

0:08:15 > 0:08:21- FJ. That's, er...- Formby? - John Formby.

0:08:21 > 0:08:26- He must have given this away. - As far as I know, to me granny.

0:08:26 > 0:08:31Sometimes you see them in silver mounts. They're quite valuable.

0:08:31 > 0:08:35A nice feature is that spring-loaded side drawer.

0:08:35 > 0:08:37Pop! Nice quality.

0:08:37 > 0:08:40And the secret drawer comes out there.

0:08:40 > 0:08:45- Doesn't look like it's been used. - Doesn't look heavily used.

0:08:45 > 0:08:48I'll shut the lid, have a look at the top.

0:08:48 > 0:08:51FJ with the mother-of-pearl on top,

0:08:51 > 0:08:57a mother-of-pearl escutcheon and the key, which is quite unusual.

0:08:57 > 0:09:00- I don't think it works.- Don't you?

0:09:00 > 0:09:03It's a bit stiff but it works.

0:09:03 > 0:09:08You're a bit down on this, Ann. You don't like it, do you?

0:09:08 > 0:09:12- What do you think someone would give for it?- You're the auctioneer.

0:09:12 > 0:09:15- Well...- 50?- Yeah, good.

0:09:15 > 0:09:19She didn't need me. 50 is a good prediction.

0:09:19 > 0:09:2450 to 80, I'd put estimate. And at what price would you like it back?

0:09:24 > 0:09:29- Do you want to let it go whatever it makes or...?- Not below 50.

0:09:29 > 0:09:31No.

0:09:31 > 0:09:36If it made £100 would you tell him to spend it on something specific?

0:09:36 > 0:09:40Um, I think the house needs doing up badly.

0:09:40 > 0:09:45- Our bedroom needs papering.- Does it? Are you listening?- I'm listening.

0:09:45 > 0:09:48- Anything else need doing?- A lot.

0:09:48 > 0:09:51Let's hope it does a few quid!

0:09:51 > 0:09:53Boxes are always popular.

0:09:53 > 0:09:57I think we're pretty safe with 50 to 80.

0:09:57 > 0:10:00- Thanks for coming.- Thanks very much.

0:10:00 > 0:10:05'No love lost there! Ann can't wait to see the back of her box.

0:10:05 > 0:10:09'Carol and Rodney have more respect for their painting.'

0:10:09 > 0:10:14What a fantastic horsey picture. Any history to it?

0:10:14 > 0:10:19Not especially. I bought it about 45 years ago.

0:10:19 > 0:10:22- In Bond Street. - What did you like about it?

0:10:22 > 0:10:26- Are you particularly into horses? - No.

0:10:26 > 0:10:28Some horses don't look right in pictures.

0:10:28 > 0:10:31This one seems to look natural.

0:10:31 > 0:10:35This is very much a correct study of a horse.

0:10:35 > 0:10:39Wonderful muscular tones. The light and shade are very good.

0:10:39 > 0:10:44- Almost like a photograph of its day. - A nice background, too.

0:10:44 > 0:10:48I love that summer's day with the blue sky.

0:10:48 > 0:10:51He looks very stately there, very regal.

0:10:51 > 0:10:54It's by quite a well known artist,

0:10:54 > 0:10:59BC Norton - Benjamin Cam Norton - and dated 1866.

0:10:59 > 0:11:05He specialised in animal subjects, particularly equestrian subjects.

0:11:05 > 0:11:08This is a prime example of his work.

0:11:08 > 0:11:12You've had it for 45 years. Why have you decided to sell it?

0:11:12 > 0:11:14- Well...- Old age, probably.

0:11:14 > 0:11:18Were you going to say something?

0:11:18 > 0:11:21It's on the bedroom wall for so many years.

0:11:21 > 0:11:25- First thing we see when we get up. - You'll have to redecorate.

0:11:25 > 0:11:31Find something to go in its place. No, we take it down, sometimes.

0:11:31 > 0:11:35- It's time for it to go. - Have you thought about value?

0:11:35 > 0:11:39- It's a nice painting, a Victorian painting.- Yes.

0:11:39 > 0:11:44We thought that maybe it would fetch towards 1,000.

0:11:44 > 0:11:51- We would put a valuation of 700. - I think you've hit it on the mark.

0:11:51 > 0:11:56I would be happy to put 700 to 1,000 on it with a 700 reserve.

0:11:56 > 0:12:02The market does fluctuate and artists go in and out of fashion.

0:12:02 > 0:12:08I think because of the quality, somebody's going to have a nibble.

0:12:08 > 0:12:12If we put that estimate on, who knows? We might even get to £1,000.

0:12:12 > 0:12:16This is a very pleasant subject. I could live with it.

0:12:16 > 0:12:20'We've collected three items to take to auction,

0:12:20 > 0:12:23'which is at Rogers Jones and Co in Colwyn Bay.

0:12:23 > 0:12:29'Auctioneer David Rogers Jones isn't so sure about the horse painting.'

0:12:29 > 0:12:32Lovely little oil. Belongs to Carol and Rodney.

0:12:32 > 0:12:37Mark put a valuation of £700 to £1,000 on this horse.

0:12:37 > 0:12:40- What do you think? - It is good quality.

0:12:40 > 0:12:45It's super quality. I do have a theory about this type of painting.

0:12:45 > 0:12:49When you've got a horse painting that isn't painted

0:12:49 > 0:12:52by a famous horse portraitist,

0:12:52 > 0:12:56it's a bit like a personal painting of your Aunt Edna.

0:12:56 > 0:12:59- It's personal...- It's your horse.

0:12:59 > 0:13:01That's right.

0:13:01 > 0:13:05Who else wants to buy a picture of your horse?

0:13:05 > 0:13:07That's what's holding me back.

0:13:07 > 0:13:11It's not a thing I'd put on my wall. It's not loose enough.

0:13:11 > 0:13:15Yes. It's going back to the personal portrait thing.

0:13:15 > 0:13:18If you liken it to a portrait of Aunt Edna,

0:13:18 > 0:13:21- it's a bit "sat" and...- Lifeless.

0:13:21 > 0:13:24Lifeless, yeah. A bit posed.

0:13:24 > 0:13:27My gut feeling is it might struggle.

0:13:27 > 0:13:32- I see where the valuation's coming from, Paul.- The quality.- Absolutely.

0:13:32 > 0:13:36I'm just a bit worried about the narrow market.

0:13:36 > 0:13:39'We'll be keeping our fingers crossed anyway.

0:13:39 > 0:13:42'Anything can happen in the auction.

0:13:42 > 0:13:47'Also under the hammer, Pamela and Glyn's Minton candlestick holder

0:13:47 > 0:13:50'and Ann and Steve's unloved travelling box.

0:13:50 > 0:13:52'First up, it's the box.

0:13:52 > 0:13:57'I hope the bidders don't feel the same way about it as Ann and Steve.'

0:13:57 > 0:14:01- Why are you selling the travelling box?- Well, it's been...

0:14:01 > 0:14:06- Been in the loft for years. - Flog It was in town. Bring it along?

0:14:06 > 0:14:09- Yeah.- Declutter, basically.

0:14:09 > 0:14:13- We've got loads!- You've got loads up there, have you?- Yeah.

0:14:13 > 0:14:16- Everyone has. - The tip of the iceberg.

0:14:16 > 0:14:20Let's find out what the bidders think.

0:14:20 > 0:14:24AUCTIONEER: The lady's walnut travelling box.

0:14:24 > 0:14:28Seven containers, white metal tops, et cetera.

0:14:28 > 0:14:31Bid me. What do you say? 120?

0:14:33 > 0:14:35100?

0:14:39 > 0:14:4380? 60, I'm bid. At 60. 60 bid.

0:14:43 > 0:14:4670. 80.

0:14:46 > 0:14:4880 bid. 90. 100.

0:14:48 > 0:14:51Against you, sir. 10.

0:14:51 > 0:14:54And 20. 120. 130.

0:14:54 > 0:14:58130 in the room. At £130. Is there 40?

0:14:58 > 0:15:03Everybody done at £130?

0:15:03 > 0:15:08Anybody coming in? 130 in the saleroom. Final call.

0:15:09 > 0:15:13- £130 for the vanity case. A good result.- Yeah.

0:15:13 > 0:15:15Well done.

0:15:15 > 0:15:19'Somebody in the saleroom liked it more than Ann and Steve.

0:15:19 > 0:15:24'Next, Carol and Rodney's painting. Are the bidders in the room?'

0:15:24 > 0:15:26Great to see you again.

0:15:26 > 0:15:31We're putting Mark's valuation of £700 to £1,000 to the test.

0:15:31 > 0:15:36It's a nice image. You got this in Bond Street 45 years ago.

0:15:36 > 0:15:40Expensive place to buy. Hopefully, we'll get your money back.

0:15:40 > 0:15:45Whether or not it suits the Welsh market, we'll find out.

0:15:45 > 0:15:47I hope so. It is rather charming.

0:15:47 > 0:15:52They have got some nice paintings from a private estate, so who knows?

0:15:52 > 0:15:56Art is selling really well today. It's flying out the door.

0:15:56 > 0:16:00Fingers crossed, the dealers are here. Here we go now.

0:16:00 > 0:16:02AUCTIONEER: Lot 102.

0:16:02 > 0:16:08The very nice oil on board BC Norton thoroughbred horse by a gate.

0:16:08 > 0:16:11Lovely painting. Superb quality.

0:16:11 > 0:16:13Bid me £1,000.

0:16:13 > 0:16:16Start me at 800.

0:16:16 > 0:16:19As you say. 400 I'm bid. At £400.

0:16:19 > 0:16:24450 on the book. 500. 550? 550?

0:16:24 > 0:16:28550 bid. At 550.

0:16:28 > 0:16:31600 anywhere? At 550. 550.

0:16:31 > 0:16:34Everybody done? 600.

0:16:34 > 0:16:37Against us both at 600.

0:16:37 > 0:16:41650. 650. Is there level money?

0:16:41 > 0:16:43£650.

0:16:43 > 0:16:46Coming in? At 650.

0:16:46 > 0:16:49I'll take 700 quickly. At 650.

0:16:49 > 0:16:53Everybody done? Final call at £650.

0:16:53 > 0:16:58What are you going to do? We leave that there, I'm sorry, at 650.

0:16:58 > 0:17:03- That didn't sell.- That's all right. - One bid away.- We were.

0:17:03 > 0:17:06- One of those things. - Sorry about that.

0:17:06 > 0:17:10- Go back on the bedroom wall. - Another auction on another day.

0:17:10 > 0:17:14Maybe a sporting sale where there's more horsey type...

0:17:14 > 0:17:18- An equestrian sale.- Exactly. - Newmarket.- In the shires.

0:17:20 > 0:17:23They might not be "shire" of bidding!

0:17:23 > 0:17:26'Carol and Rodney's horse didn't bolt.

0:17:26 > 0:17:30'At least that firm reserve protected it from going for less.

0:17:30 > 0:17:34'Next, Pamela and Glyn's Minton candlestick holder.'

0:17:34 > 0:17:38I've been joined by Pamela and Glyn in the nick of time.

0:17:38 > 0:17:42Your lot is just about to go under the hammer.

0:17:42 > 0:17:46I like this a lot. It's got style.

0:17:46 > 0:17:51We like things from all periods and this is a distinctive pattern.

0:17:51 > 0:17:56- I've never seen a candlestick like this.- Nor have I.

0:17:56 > 0:18:00- It should make £80 all day long. - But on a good day 120? 130?

0:18:00 > 0:18:04Absolutely. The decorative arts are still quite strong.

0:18:04 > 0:18:08Fingers crossed, that's what we're going to get.

0:18:08 > 0:18:11It's going under the hammer right now.

0:18:12 > 0:18:17AUCTIONEER: Very nice Minton secessionist candle holder bowl.

0:18:17 > 0:18:20Bid me. £100?

0:18:22 > 0:18:27Very nice piece. Classic Minton. Just what you want. 70 to start.

0:18:27 > 0:18:31£70 I'm bid. 70 on the book. 80 anywhere?

0:18:31 > 0:18:34At 70. £70. 70. Is there 80?

0:18:34 > 0:18:39At 70. 80. 80 online. 90 bid...

0:18:39 > 0:18:44- 90 bid. Come on. A bit more. - ..Everybody done? 100.

0:18:44 > 0:18:48£100. Lot 132 at £100.

0:18:48 > 0:18:54Anybody in the room? You're all out. The bid is live. £100. Ten anybody?

0:18:54 > 0:18:58Final call. Ten. 110. Another live one...

0:18:58 > 0:19:02- There's a battle on the internet. - That's good.

0:19:02 > 0:19:04..120? 120 bid.

0:19:04 > 0:19:07120. 30 now? At 120.

0:19:07 > 0:19:13All done? Anyone else coming in? 120. Final final call. All done now?

0:19:13 > 0:19:18We'll take that! 120 is better than 80! I hope you paid less than 120.

0:19:18 > 0:19:22- Yes. Something like 60. - Oh, well done.

0:19:22 > 0:19:26Even after commission, a jolly healthy profit.

0:19:26 > 0:19:29Don't forget there's commission.

0:19:29 > 0:19:34- Are you going to collect anything else?- We do collect quite a lot.

0:19:34 > 0:19:37A lot of junk, really.

0:19:37 > 0:19:41'Pamela may have a lot of junk but Minton is such a good name

0:19:41 > 0:19:44'it should always do well.

0:19:50 > 0:19:54'Just over a mile from the valuation day is the Menai suspension bridge,

0:19:54 > 0:19:58'built by Thomas Telford in the 19th century.

0:19:58 > 0:20:02'It was, at the time, the longest suspension bridge in the world.

0:20:02 > 0:20:06'Telford is considered to be "the man who built Britain".

0:20:06 > 0:20:12He revolutionised Britain's transport network, building roads,

0:20:12 > 0:20:15'canals and, most famously, bridges.

0:20:15 > 0:20:21'The bridge across the Menai Strait was his greatest achievement.'

0:20:21 > 0:20:28The Menai Strait is a stretch which Lord Nelson described as one of the most treacherous in the world.

0:20:28 > 0:20:32He said, "If you can sail these waters you can sail anywhere."

0:20:32 > 0:20:37If you wanted to sail to Dublin, you had to cross the Menai Strait.

0:20:37 > 0:20:41The Menai Strait is the treacherous stretch of water

0:20:41 > 0:20:44that separates Anglesey from Wales.

0:20:44 > 0:20:49For thousands of years, crossing it was a matter of life and death.

0:20:51 > 0:20:56This narrow stretch of tidal water is 15 miles long.

0:20:56 > 0:21:02The problem is powerful currents race in from both ends at different times,

0:21:02 > 0:21:07creating strong whirlpools and exceptionally powerful tides.

0:21:07 > 0:21:12The location of the bridge is also one of the most dangerous areas.

0:21:12 > 0:21:18Even as late as 1953, it was claiming some pretty big prizes.

0:21:18 > 0:21:21HMS Conway ran aground as it tried to pass.

0:21:21 > 0:21:23It remained for over six years.

0:21:28 > 0:21:31About 30 foot in that direction...

0:21:31 > 0:21:35We dare not get closer cos there's a big rock down there.

0:21:35 > 0:21:39That's known as the platters, where HMS Conway ran aground.

0:21:39 > 0:21:44And the tugs, well they just couldn't pull her off.

0:21:44 > 0:21:48Building a bridge across such dangerous waters seemed impossible.

0:21:48 > 0:21:53In 1815, one man thought he could do it - Thomas Telford.

0:21:54 > 0:21:58It was the biggest engineering project of the age.

0:21:58 > 0:22:02Although Telford oversaw every detail of construction,

0:22:02 > 0:22:06not even he knew if it would stay up once it was built.

0:22:08 > 0:22:12Construction on the bridge began in 1819

0:22:12 > 0:22:15and it took seven years to complete.

0:22:15 > 0:22:20When it opened in 1826, Thomas Telford was nearly 70 years old.

0:22:20 > 0:22:25But this bridge, together with the improvements to the road to London,

0:22:25 > 0:22:30meant that the journey time from Holyhead was cut down from 41 hours

0:22:30 > 0:22:32to just 27 hours.

0:22:32 > 0:22:36It also eliminated, well, the risk of drowning.

0:22:36 > 0:22:40'Almost 200 years later, the bridge is still standing.

0:22:40 > 0:22:43'As a testament to its incredible strength,

0:22:43 > 0:22:49'it's perfectly capable of handling even today's heavy traffic.

0:22:49 > 0:22:54'Civil engineer Bob Damond is a trustee of the Menai Bridge Community Heritage Trust.

0:22:54 > 0:22:59'I've come to find out more about Thomas Telford's achievement.'

0:22:59 > 0:23:01You can see how strong the currents are.

0:23:01 > 0:23:07It varies across the width because of the shape and the depth.

0:23:07 > 0:23:10Had there been attempts to build a bridge?

0:23:10 > 0:23:14People referred to problems the Romans had crossing the strait.

0:23:14 > 0:23:18Edward I built a pontoon bridge by lashing boats together.

0:23:18 > 0:23:24- Back in the 13th century?- Yes. And the Welsh set fire to the boats at this end so that didn't work.

0:23:24 > 0:23:27Various engineers had done designs

0:23:27 > 0:23:30but there hadn't been an attempt to build one

0:23:30 > 0:23:36- until Telford started the suspension bridge.- It is absolutely superb.

0:23:36 > 0:23:40A lot of people said you couldn't span that width

0:23:40 > 0:23:42without supporting it in the middle.

0:23:42 > 0:23:45The big problem was that not only

0:23:45 > 0:23:49was it by far the biggest span of a suspension bridge at that time,

0:23:49 > 0:23:54the Admiralty insisted on a 100-foot clearance above high water.

0:23:54 > 0:23:56Sailing ships had tall masts.

0:23:56 > 0:24:02So they had to find a way of getting the chains across a gap of 579 feet

0:24:02 > 0:24:05and 100 feet above the water.

0:24:05 > 0:24:13They did that with ropes and pulleys and 150 men winding two capstans to lift something like 24 tons.

0:24:13 > 0:24:18The first chain they did in an hour and 37 minutes.

0:24:18 > 0:24:20Which is about a 24-tons lift.

0:24:20 > 0:24:26They had to do that 16 times for the 16 chains in the original bridge.

0:24:26 > 0:24:28Gosh!

0:24:28 > 0:24:32When the first chain was in, two men walked across to the other side.

0:24:32 > 0:24:38When Telford heard, he was annoyed because of the safety aspect.

0:24:38 > 0:24:42There must have been a wonderful celebration when this opened.

0:24:42 > 0:24:48It was in the middle of the night when the first coach went through.

0:24:48 > 0:24:53It was a bad night, a bit like this, and not many people hung around.

0:24:53 > 0:24:56But the next day thousands of people crossed.

0:24:56 > 0:25:00They had to pay a penny to walk across. More to take a horse.

0:25:00 > 0:25:05- Some of them crossed and re-crossed. - It was so enjoyable! An experience!

0:25:09 > 0:25:14It really is, when you look at this, the work of a genius, isn't it?

0:25:14 > 0:25:18A ground-breaking bridge, and it set the mark

0:25:18 > 0:25:23of suspension bridges being the best way to cross large spans.

0:25:23 > 0:25:28'Telford made much of the Industrial Revolution possible.

0:25:28 > 0:25:31'The world around us couldn't have been built

0:25:31 > 0:25:35'were it not for the singular vision of just one man.

0:25:35 > 0:25:40'The Menai bridge still stands as Telford's crowning achievement.

0:25:46 > 0:25:48'At the University of Wales, Bangor,

0:25:48 > 0:25:53'there are still crowds queuing up to have their antiques valued.'

0:25:53 > 0:25:55Looks like a watercolour.

0:25:55 > 0:25:59'Patricia's thimble collection has intrigued Adam.'

0:25:59 > 0:26:04I remember a lady came in many years ago and brought in a gold thimble.

0:26:04 > 0:26:09I said, "Why are you selling it?" And she said, "I'm downsizing."

0:26:09 > 0:26:14- Don't tell me you're downsizing.- No. - You'd have to be moving to Lilliput!

0:26:14 > 0:26:17So, firstly, where did you get them from?

0:26:17 > 0:26:23- From my aunt, who was a seamstress. - That explains the quantity

0:26:23 > 0:26:25Do you know much about your aunt?

0:26:25 > 0:26:31Yes. We all lived together, my family, for years and years.

0:26:31 > 0:26:35- Did you pick up any skills in that department?- Unfortunately not.

0:26:35 > 0:26:38- You've never had occasion to use these?- No.

0:26:38 > 0:26:41I've divided them a little bit.

0:26:41 > 0:26:44People are probably wondering what this is.

0:26:44 > 0:26:49This one here is an advertising thimble for Dr Lovelace's soap.

0:26:49 > 0:26:54- "Use Dr Lovelace's soap." Have you heard of Dr Lovelace's soap?- No.

0:26:54 > 0:26:59Here we have a Victorian bar of soap, the real soap.

0:26:59 > 0:27:03- And it still smells. - Still smells like coal tar.

0:27:03 > 0:27:08We won't be including that in the auction. You can take that home.

0:27:08 > 0:27:09An advertising one.

0:27:09 > 0:27:14Four of these ones we'd call white metal. They're not stamped silver.

0:27:14 > 0:27:20The silver ones here. Not the best material. It's too soft.

0:27:20 > 0:27:24A man called Charles Horner invented a method

0:27:24 > 0:27:27where he made a steel thimble and coated it in silver.

0:27:27 > 0:27:31You could still have the posh silver thimble!

0:27:31 > 0:27:34One of these is by Charles Horner.

0:27:34 > 0:27:37He was a famous hat pin maker.

0:27:37 > 0:27:43His thimbles are slightly more collected. I think it's that one.

0:27:43 > 0:27:48A Chester hallmark as well. That's probably your most collectable.

0:27:48 > 0:27:53Apart from this little one which is delightful in its own little case,

0:27:53 > 0:27:57velvet covered embroidered case, and what a pretty thimble!

0:27:57 > 0:28:02It's Continental silver. All that enamelling round the side.

0:28:02 > 0:28:07Sadly, enamelling's very vulnerable and you've got a little chip.

0:28:07 > 0:28:13I would think, value wise, these are about £10 each.

0:28:13 > 0:28:16- Really?- So that's 40 there.

0:28:16 > 0:28:20Then maybe another 20 for all of those.

0:28:20 > 0:28:23- £60 to £100.- Sounds good.

0:28:23 > 0:28:26- Put a reserve at 60?- Yes. - Fix it at 60, I think.

0:28:26 > 0:28:32- Hopefully, we'll have a good result. - Definitely flog it!- Excellent.

0:28:32 > 0:28:35'Patricia's thimbles should sell well.

0:28:35 > 0:28:40'A painting I spotted brought in by Alwyn may not sell at all.'

0:28:40 > 0:28:45It's a pleasure to meet you. Alwyn Jones, you've got to be Welsh.

0:28:45 > 0:28:49- Yes.- What part of Wales are you from?- From Anglesey.

0:28:49 > 0:28:55From the village with a very long name of llanfairpwllgwyngyllgoge ychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.

0:28:55 > 0:29:00I have been there. I think you live in the most wonderful part of the world.

0:29:00 > 0:29:06- So, how did you come by this? - It was given to me ten years ago.

0:29:06 > 0:29:10By a friend who had lost her mother.

0:29:10 > 0:29:14Unfortunately, my wife is not very keen on it.

0:29:14 > 0:29:20So we decided to maybe sell it and buy another painting we both like.

0:29:20 > 0:29:25- Have you researched David Cox?- My wife looked it up on the internet.

0:29:25 > 0:29:29She found that he's done many paintings of Highland scenes

0:29:29 > 0:29:32and some in north Wales.

0:29:32 > 0:29:36David Cox is a renowned English landscape artist.

0:29:36 > 0:29:42He was born in Birmingham in 1783, I think, off the top of my head, and died in 1859.

0:29:42 > 0:29:45This is a Scottish Highland scene.

0:29:45 > 0:29:49I've done some comparables, looked him up on our art index guides,

0:29:49 > 0:29:53what works have sold for in this medium on paper this size.

0:29:53 > 0:29:55He's very well sought after.

0:29:55 > 0:30:00You're looking in the region of £4,000 to £6,000.

0:30:00 > 0:30:03Looking at this image, I don't think,

0:30:03 > 0:30:10speaking from my heart, I don't think...it's that good

0:30:10 > 0:30:12if it's by David Cox.

0:30:12 > 0:30:16- I see. Yeah. - I have seen some of his works.

0:30:16 > 0:30:20For me, the photographic representation is a lot better

0:30:20 > 0:30:23- than what's going on here.- I see.

0:30:23 > 0:30:28This is a tad too loose for him.

0:30:28 > 0:30:32My gut feeling tells me it's a copy.

0:30:32 > 0:30:38- OK.- What you probably don't know is David Cox works are highly forged.

0:30:38 > 0:30:42It's really difficult to tell if this is a copy.

0:30:42 > 0:30:46We can put this into auction with a guide of £3,000 to £4,000,

0:30:46 > 0:30:49if it is David Cox, because there is some foxing.

0:30:49 > 0:30:54- There is some damage. If it's a copy...- Yeah.

0:30:54 > 0:30:57- Much less.- £200 to £300.

0:30:57 > 0:30:59Yeah.

0:30:59 > 0:31:01OK.

0:31:01 > 0:31:03Um... Well...

0:31:03 > 0:31:08- If it's £200 to £300, I'd keep it. - Course you would.

0:31:08 > 0:31:13The best thing to do here is get a second opinion from the auctioneer.

0:31:13 > 0:31:18They can do a lot of research, have some picture specialists come in.

0:31:18 > 0:31:21We'll let the auctioneer decide this.

0:31:21 > 0:31:28My gut feeling is it's not right but I want it to be right for you, you want £3,000 to £4,000.

0:31:28 > 0:31:33- If possible.- We'll put it into auction with what you think it is.

0:31:33 > 0:31:37We'll let the auctioneer say it might be a copy.

0:31:37 > 0:31:39In which case, you can withdraw it.

0:31:39 > 0:31:45- We'll let him do the hard work.- OK. - I'm sorry if I've let you down.- No!

0:31:45 > 0:31:50'The auction will be the place we'll find out the true value.

0:31:50 > 0:31:52'More of that later.

0:31:55 > 0:32:00'Next, Derek's brought in an early example of satellite navigation.'

0:32:00 > 0:32:04We've got a wonderful precision engineered piece of equipment here.

0:32:04 > 0:32:09- Give us a bit of the background. - The instrument, which is a sextant,

0:32:09 > 0:32:15was given to me 50 years ago by an old sea captain from Anglesey.

0:32:15 > 0:32:20- Oh.- He used it all his working life, but now GPS superceded sextants!

0:32:20 > 0:32:25Press a button, it tells you where you are so it's of no practical use.

0:32:25 > 0:32:28It's just in the back of the cupboard.

0:32:28 > 0:32:32Those GPS systems are nothing as beautiful as this.

0:32:32 > 0:32:37- Talk us through how it works. - To find out where you are, latitude,

0:32:37 > 0:32:42you look through any of these telescopes, depending on conditions,

0:32:42 > 0:32:44which fits in there.

0:32:44 > 0:32:48You sight on the sun and you sight on the horizon.

0:32:48 > 0:32:51You adjust this lever here,

0:32:51 > 0:32:53so the sun is in the mirror,

0:32:53 > 0:32:57and it brings the sun down so it's just touching the horizon.

0:32:57 > 0:33:02If you do it at midday, by a series of calculations, you can work out

0:33:02 > 0:33:07- how far you are between the North and South Pole.- Good lord!

0:33:07 > 0:33:11- How old do you think it is? - I would say 1850, 1860.

0:33:11 > 0:33:14I think it might even be a bit earlier,

0:33:14 > 0:33:18with that turned mahogany handle, which has that lovely texture.

0:33:18 > 0:33:22Hundreds of people with greasy hands being on it

0:33:22 > 0:33:25has given it a lovely mellow colour.

0:33:25 > 0:33:30We've got a maker's name, James Morton, Sunderland & South Shields.

0:33:30 > 0:33:36Nice to have a maker's name. I can't find any record of James Morton.

0:33:36 > 0:33:39Anything from London tends to be more valuable.

0:33:39 > 0:33:42Or the bigger cities. So you've had it at home.

0:33:42 > 0:33:47- You haven't used it? - I haven't used it at all.

0:33:47 > 0:33:49Why have you decided to sell it?

0:33:49 > 0:33:54It would be nice if it could go to somebody who appreciated it.

0:33:54 > 0:33:57It's a very specialist collecting area.

0:33:57 > 0:34:02Anything to do with marine items are quite keenly sought after.

0:34:02 > 0:34:05This is actually a very nice piece.

0:34:05 > 0:34:08- This is in very good condition.- Yes.

0:34:08 > 0:34:13It's perfect auction room condition. You haven't over-cleaned it.

0:34:13 > 0:34:17It's got a lot of nice feelings about it.

0:34:17 > 0:34:19We've got to think about an estimate.

0:34:19 > 0:34:23- Yes.- Now, my feeling is around 200 to 300.

0:34:23 > 0:34:28- What's your feeling?- I wouldn't like to see it go for less than 300.

0:34:28 > 0:34:30It's not impossible.

0:34:30 > 0:34:34I think if it's catalogued properly, two or three people

0:34:34 > 0:34:39need to raise their hands a couple of times and we'll get up there.

0:34:39 > 0:34:46- So I'm willing to give it a try. An estimate of 300 to 400, a reserve at 300.- That would be fair.

0:34:46 > 0:34:49- A fixed reserve at 300. - On your head be it.

0:34:49 > 0:34:52If I don't get 300 I get the sextant back.

0:34:52 > 0:34:55'Those are our last items to take off to auction.

0:34:55 > 0:35:00'Auctioneer David Rogers Jones has looked at Alwyn's painting,

0:35:00 > 0:35:05'which may or may not be genuine, and he's got some interesting news.'

0:35:05 > 0:35:09If it was an early piece of oak, I'd be really confident!

0:35:09 > 0:35:11I just don't know.

0:35:11 > 0:35:16I think, Paul, that it's got many of David Cox senior's attributes.

0:35:16 > 0:35:21- OK.- The figures and the animals smack Cox for me.

0:35:21 > 0:35:23What about the sky?

0:35:23 > 0:35:27Well, yeah. One always looks for "Cox clouds".

0:35:27 > 0:35:31- But it isn't in the best condition. - No. It's got foxing.

0:35:31 > 0:35:35A lot of foxing and, I think, if you eliminated the foxing,

0:35:35 > 0:35:39I think, probably, the clouds would come out.

0:35:39 > 0:35:43- What was your gut feeling? - That it was OK.- Good.

0:35:43 > 0:35:46I like the figures. I like the animals.

0:35:46 > 0:35:50It has the Cox windswept feel that his paintings have.

0:35:50 > 0:35:53My gut feeling was it may be a fake.

0:35:53 > 0:35:57It's disappointing to tell the owner and now it's the real McCoy,

0:35:57 > 0:35:59will this do £3,000 to £4,000?

0:35:59 > 0:36:05The people we've sent images to are good in the field of Cox.

0:36:05 > 0:36:09- Yeah. - And they seem to be fairly happy.

0:36:09 > 0:36:14- They're interested?- I think they're interested so I'm fairly hopeful.

0:36:14 > 0:36:21'That is good news, but we won't know for sure until it goes under the hammer.

0:36:21 > 0:36:26'Here's a quick recap of the other items going under the hammer.

0:36:26 > 0:36:31'Patricia's collection of thimbles and Derek's quality sextant.'

0:36:31 > 0:36:33They say small is beautiful.

0:36:33 > 0:36:36Let's see if small is worth a lot of money!

0:36:36 > 0:36:43We're joined by Patricia and we've got 11 thimbles going under the hammer with a value of £60 to £100.

0:36:43 > 0:36:46I'd love to get that top end.

0:36:46 > 0:36:51I know you like your small things. Why are you selling the thimbles?

0:36:51 > 0:36:57They belonged to my aunt and they've been in a tiny drawer in a tiny cupboard. Nobody sees them.

0:36:57 > 0:37:05- I put you down as having a vitrine with all your little silver things. - I do have lots of things on show.

0:37:05 > 0:37:10- But you've decided you want to sell the thimbles.- Yes.

0:37:10 > 0:37:14Adam, you put £60 to £100 on them. A great valuation.

0:37:14 > 0:37:19- I'd like to see the top end.- £5 or £10 each isn't much.- Nothing! No.

0:37:19 > 0:37:23I just hope... There's a lot of ladies here.

0:37:23 > 0:37:29I find there's a lot of interest in sewing collectables.

0:37:29 > 0:37:32Needle cases, thimbles, small silvers.

0:37:32 > 0:37:39Investing in your social history, a nice talking point to have on display rather than in the drawer!

0:37:39 > 0:37:43- Good luck.- Hidden away. - It's going under the hammer.

0:37:43 > 0:37:47AUCTIONEER: Lovely little lot here, lot 364.

0:37:47 > 0:37:53No fewer than 11 silver and other sewing thimbles.

0:37:53 > 0:37:57There's one in a leather case and one in a fabric case.

0:37:57 > 0:37:59Lovely little parcel. £80?

0:37:59 > 0:38:03Silver thimbles. Come on. I usually sell these at 15 each...

0:38:03 > 0:38:07It's all down to the bidders in the room.

0:38:07 > 0:38:09I'm bid at 50. 50 bid, lot 364.

0:38:09 > 0:38:13At 50. 50 bid. 60 anybody?

0:38:13 > 0:38:16- At 50. 60... - Got 60.

0:38:16 > 0:38:19..70. £70. Out right at the back, sir?

0:38:19 > 0:38:22Five if it helps you. At 70. 70 bid.

0:38:22 > 0:38:25£70 only.

0:38:25 > 0:38:28Five at the back, if you like.

0:38:28 > 0:38:31Five I'll take. Everybody done? At £70.

0:38:31 > 0:38:34Five if you wish. 75.

0:38:34 > 0:38:3675. 80. 80 I'm bid...

0:38:36 > 0:38:39Fresh legs! Someone's just come in.

0:38:39 > 0:38:44..At £80 only. Everybody done? Final call at 80.

0:38:45 > 0:38:48- That's a sold sound. Well done Adam. - Mid estimate.

0:38:48 > 0:38:52- Happy.- Happy with that? - Yes. Very happy.

0:38:52 > 0:38:56'A great result for Patricia, and now it's Derek's turn.

0:38:56 > 0:39:02'His sextant is in mint condition. I hope the right people are here.'

0:39:02 > 0:39:06I've been joined by Derek and the next item is this wonderful sextant.

0:39:06 > 0:39:11You'd expect to see it here in Colwyn Bay, right by the sea.

0:39:11 > 0:39:16Maritime memorabilia does fetch good money. We're in the right place.

0:39:16 > 0:39:20We're looking for £300 to £400, by our expert Mark.

0:39:20 > 0:39:24- Why are you selling it? - It's been superceded by GPS!

0:39:24 > 0:39:26I suppose it has, in a way!

0:39:26 > 0:39:30It might as well go to somebody who'll appreciate it.

0:39:30 > 0:39:34- I love the engineering quality. - So do I.

0:39:34 > 0:39:37Let's find out what the bidders think.

0:39:37 > 0:39:40AUCTIONEER: 447, the ship's sextant

0:39:40 > 0:39:44by James Morton, Sunderland & South Shields.

0:39:44 > 0:39:47Cased. Bid me. Start me at 350.

0:39:48 > 0:39:50300?

0:39:50 > 0:39:57The cased sextant by a Sunderland & South Shields maker. Bid me.

0:39:57 > 0:40:00250?

0:40:00 > 0:40:03I'm bid at 150. 150 bid.

0:40:03 > 0:40:06At 150. 180? 180 bid.

0:40:06 > 0:40:11- 200? 200 bid... - We're climbing. A little bit more.

0:40:11 > 0:40:13..240. Is there 60? At 240.

0:40:13 > 0:40:15240 bid. Everybody done?

0:40:15 > 0:40:18260. 280?

0:40:18 > 0:40:23280 bid. 280. 280. And again now.

0:40:23 > 0:40:26At 280. 300. 300 bid.

0:40:26 > 0:40:28- And again... - Getting there.

0:40:28 > 0:40:31..How many on there? At £300.

0:40:31 > 0:40:34Online at £300. Everybody done?

0:40:34 > 0:40:39All finished? At £300 and going.

0:40:40 > 0:40:44- That was close. - I thought we'd sink without trace.

0:40:44 > 0:40:46- Well done.- We came back.- £300.

0:40:46 > 0:40:51'What a relief. It looks like quality shone through.

0:40:51 > 0:40:53'It's the moment of truth.

0:40:53 > 0:40:58'Will Alwyn's painting sink or swim? It's up to the bidders to decide.'

0:40:58 > 0:41:03I had a chat with the auctioneer before the sale. He said it's right.

0:41:03 > 0:41:08- Good. I'm pleased.- I'm pleased it's that way, not the other way.

0:41:08 > 0:41:13I'm so pleased I didn't say, "Yes! His works sell for thousands!"

0:41:13 > 0:41:17And get here on the day and find out it's a copy.

0:41:17 > 0:41:21So that's good news. We've still got £3,000 to £4,000.

0:41:21 > 0:41:26He agreed with the valuation, because of the foxing.

0:41:26 > 0:41:30It's now down to this lot. Let's find out what happens.

0:41:30 > 0:41:34AUCTIONEER: David Cox. Expansive landscape.

0:41:34 > 0:41:40Five Scottish figures, two on horseback, tending a herd of cattle.

0:41:40 > 0:41:43Well signed and I think it's got the features of David Cox.

0:41:43 > 0:41:46The men, the animals, it's got the lot.

0:41:46 > 0:41:50OK, there's a bit of restoration to be done.

0:41:50 > 0:41:52That can be done easily.

0:41:52 > 0:41:56You've got a really good painting and it's a good big'un! Bid me.

0:41:56 > 0:42:00Two and a half thou to start?

0:42:00 > 0:42:032,500?

0:42:03 > 0:42:062,000?

0:42:06 > 0:42:081,800 I'm bid. At £1,800.

0:42:08 > 0:42:11- At £1,800... - We're in.

0:42:11 > 0:42:16..at 1,800. £2,000.

0:42:16 > 0:42:182,200. 2,200.

0:42:18 > 0:42:202,400. 2,400...

0:42:20 > 0:42:24We've got a phone bid. This is great.

0:42:24 > 0:42:27..2,600.

0:42:27 > 0:42:302,800.

0:42:30 > 0:42:34£2,800, David Cox. Are you coming in, Mike?

0:42:34 > 0:42:36£2,800.

0:42:36 > 0:42:42Bid's here on the telephone. At £2,800.

0:42:42 > 0:42:473,000, I'd like. I'll open the gate at 2,900, if you want to.

0:42:47 > 0:42:50£2,800 final call.

0:42:51 > 0:42:54On the telephone. Everybody done?

0:42:54 > 0:42:56£2,800 all done?

0:42:56 > 0:43:01He's sold it. £2,800. That's fabulous!

0:43:01 > 0:43:05- It is.- Congratulations. - Really pleased. Thank you.

0:43:05 > 0:43:09'The auctioneer used discretion and sold for just under the reserve.

0:43:09 > 0:43:13'Alwyn is over the moon.'

0:43:13 > 0:43:19I told you there would be one or two surprises! Sadly, we've run out of time in Colwyn Bay.

0:43:19 > 0:43:25There'll be many more surprises to come on Flog It but, for now, cheerio.

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