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:00:32. > :00:37.Hello, and welcome. We are live, if you want to get in touch, pleased

:00:37. > :00:47.week or e-mail us, the details are on the screen now. Coming up

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:00:47. > :00:56.tonight. Martin Freeman in the Hobbit, an unexpected journey.

:00:56. > :01:02.you promise that I will come back? No! Unleashing the dirt on working

:01:02. > :01:12.with British actors. Be run around and argue a lot. And Mary Elizabeth

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:01:13. > :01:20.is sobering up. I stopped drinking. Are you pregnant? And we review a

:01:20. > :01:25.documentary in Memphis, and the top five fan fatales. First tonight,

:01:25. > :01:32.the Hobbit. The first part of the trilogy directed by Peter Jackson.

:01:32. > :01:39.Who cannot just run off into the blue -- I cannot.

:01:39. > :01:44.He is a home-loving and safe and quiet Hobbit and he goes on an

:01:44. > :01:54.adventure where he helps towards to reclaim the land which has been

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:02:04. > :02:09.taken over by a dragon. Allow me to The novel was written for children

:02:09. > :02:13.originally in the 1930s by talking and I wanted to maintain that

:02:13. > :02:23.whimsical and comedic tone of the film and have one foot in the Lord

:02:23. > :02:28.

:02:29. > :02:35.Of the Rings also. Why did we have a game? They will eat it! If I gins

:02:35. > :02:41.losers, -- if he loses... Ferry north. Who he has found a window on

:02:41. > :02:46.the floor and he keeps it -- he has found a wing. By the end, he

:02:46. > :02:51.realises it means a great deal and he has changed the course of a

:02:51. > :02:57.character's life. He is a genuinely brilliant character and I know why

:02:57. > :03:01.people love him. As soon as they hear that noise, people love it.

:03:01. > :03:06.And been on the receiving end of what Andy does as that character is

:03:06. > :03:10.remarkable. We knew Martin was perfect before we met him looking

:03:10. > :03:15.at other things he has been in films and on the television. There

:03:15. > :03:19.is an aspect of that character who is a rather repressed little

:03:19. > :03:23.English man who does not want to go on dangerous adventures, that is

:03:23. > :03:28.the character talking wrote and there is something about Martin we

:03:28. > :03:33.thought would be perfect. And it is his ability to do drama with

:03:33. > :03:41.comedic timing which is rare and not many actors can do that. I need

:03:41. > :03:51.air. Flash of white, some paint and then you are just ash. -- like,

:03:51. > :03:53.

:03:53. > :04:01.some pain. No! And action. As a film maker, I want to play my part

:04:01. > :04:04.in pushing the experience of cinema forward. Three or four years ago, I

:04:04. > :04:12.shot a five-minute King Kong movie and I thought that immerse of

:04:12. > :04:17.quality would be amazing been a feature film. -- in a feature film.

:04:17. > :04:20.You are part of the action in the screen, it is like you have taken

:04:20. > :04:25.it away and are looking through a hole in the cinema into the real

:04:25. > :04:33.world. It is as if Pete grabs you and pulls you towards the film to

:04:33. > :04:42.look at this. So it is very dynamic. Who did you tell about the quest?

:04:42. > :04:49.Nobody? Who did you tell? Nobody, I swear! A guy who knows exactly what

:04:49. > :04:54.he wants and tells you. It is up to you to slot in and if you cannot do

:04:54. > :04:59.it, you do it again and again until you do it. Can I try something else,

:04:59. > :05:04.Peter? You make your contribution, that is also welcome. And he is

:05:04. > :05:09.good at reminding you weigh you are, that is what I used to informing

:05:09. > :05:15.the. -- way you. Mack is he scared, how much does he like this? How

:05:15. > :05:23.much of his courage has he found? And usually late in the day, he

:05:23. > :05:27.says, good, got it! He says that and you can relax. You will have a

:05:27. > :05:34.few tales to tell when you come back. Can you promise that I will

:05:34. > :05:39.come back? At what do you think? A the Hobbit

:05:39. > :05:44.is two hours and 49 minutes and at the end of the unexpected journey,

:05:44. > :05:48.if you have got to the end of Chapter 6 in told him's novel. An

:05:48. > :05:51.adaptation usually strips things down but here it is frantically

:05:51. > :05:56.stretched out and you are waiting for Bilbo bargains to lose the

:05:56. > :06:03.house keys and he will spend half an hour trying to find it. The

:06:03. > :06:10.Hobbit is many things but it is a long and slow! Yes, I will read out

:06:10. > :06:17.a couple of messages. It is an endurance test, unbearably long and

:06:17. > :06:21.an emotionless finesse! Bullet but true. A let-down and much of the

:06:21. > :06:26.magic has been sucked out, I read it and went in with low

:06:26. > :06:31.expectations and was pleasantly surprised. Martins for it -- Martin

:06:31. > :06:38.Freeman is the star for meat and he is excellent and underplays it.

:06:38. > :06:43.Mack -- or for me. It is long and the first hour you understand that

:06:43. > :06:51.the Hobbit is like blue cheese and wash-up. There are still wash-up

:06:51. > :06:55.after an hour. Peter Jackson's has this innovative 48 per frames -- 48

:06:55. > :07:01.frames per second going on. Does this draw you into the movie or

:07:01. > :07:06.pull you out? Too often, I was pulled out with a talk to my face!

:07:06. > :07:11.It is bright and cheap-looking. -- with a torch in my face. The look

:07:11. > :07:16.of it does dominate and that is a problem. There is a difference with

:07:16. > :07:21.a film that shows you things and a movie which you think you need an

:07:21. > :07:24.eye test in. I agree about Martin Freeman. When Peter Jackson

:07:24. > :07:30.remembers you can have fun with just some actors talking to each

:07:30. > :07:36.other, this works. And Martin Freeman is understated, how he does

:07:36. > :07:46.not get overwhelmed by this, I do not know, but it is an achievement.

:07:46. > :07:46.

:07:46. > :07:52.And what about Andy circus? -- Serkis. It will make people pine

:07:52. > :07:57.for Ward offerings. If you do not do this for a job, would you pay to

:07:57. > :08:02.go to see this? I have no choice, my son would insist on this. He is

:08:02. > :08:05.seven years old but as a cynical adult, the drama has been sucked

:08:06. > :08:09.out of it because she knows it is a trilogy and no matter how good the

:08:09. > :08:15.film has come and there were moments that it works, but you know

:08:15. > :08:21.the real action will not start for another two years, six hours. Or

:08:21. > :08:24.six hours would feel like two years! And next, the story of a

:08:24. > :08:32.hard-drinking couple whose relationship is put to the test

:08:32. > :08:42.when Kate decides to get sober. am Kate, I am an alcoholic. I am

:08:42. > :08:42.

:08:42. > :08:48.sorry, a did not mean to laugh. Those words are weird. I do not

:08:48. > :08:58.know if I am an alcoholic, I just think, a drink a lot. Everybody I

:08:58. > :09:05.know drinks a lot. I never really thought it was a problem. But

:09:05. > :09:11.lately, it kind of scenes light it is. -- it kind of seems like it is.

:09:11. > :09:16.I want to have a beer without it turning into 20 or wetting the bed.

:09:16. > :09:22.It seems like every time I drink, something awful happens! It used to

:09:22. > :09:32.be funny and things like there are not funny any more, things have

:09:32. > :09:34.

:09:34. > :09:40.gone up from embarrassing to scary. So yes, I am kind of scared.

:09:41. > :09:47.I love her in that scene. As a film about alcohol, it is in good

:09:47. > :09:52.company. The character of Kate is different because she is coping.

:09:52. > :09:55.She may be throwing up occasionally in front of children and smoking

:09:55. > :09:58.crack with strangers in a car but she is generally enjoying her

:09:58. > :10:03.drinking and that is interesting and quite chilling because anybody

:10:03. > :10:08.who has been about a drink -- he has been around drinking will see a

:10:08. > :10:11.lot of truth and could observations. As a portrait of alcoholism, it is

:10:11. > :10:16.great, but the film is more interested in the condition than

:10:16. > :10:20.the character and because of that it sometimes feels that at any

:10:20. > :10:23.moment, somebody will hit pause and the lights will come on and the

:10:23. > :10:28.teacher will step forward and talk to the class about their feelings

:10:28. > :10:33.on what they have seen and asked if they have questions. I admire a lot

:10:33. > :10:37.but it has a slight smell of citizenship GCSE about it.

:10:37. > :10:40.thought she was brilliant and I liked the whole think. I wanted

:10:40. > :10:46.more about their relationship and what happens when somebody carries

:10:46. > :10:50.on doing something and the other person stops doing it. She is

:10:50. > :10:55.extraordinary, she falls off the wagon in one scene and that is

:10:55. > :11:00.excellent. I just wanted a bit more character, where the Hobbit spent

:11:00. > :11:07.an hour saying, this is the spoon again like, be loved this kind. And

:11:07. > :11:15.wanted a bit more of that. It is very fast. But it never becomes

:11:15. > :11:22.quirky, it is on the brink of being cute and adorable. It does not go

:11:22. > :11:27.down the road. The lead character is fantastic. Paul is in a tricky

:11:27. > :11:30.situation because he has been brought in and he is playing

:11:30. > :11:36.essentially the same character as in his last film and that does not

:11:36. > :11:42.work for him. It did not work 10 years ago in the sopranos and the

:11:42. > :11:52.lead character was cast in similar characters. Now time for the top

:11:52. > :12:04.

:12:04. > :12:14.They huge hello and welcome to you. This might be my favourite top five.

:12:14. > :12:22.

:12:22. > :12:27.It has been tough. The top femmes fatales five. The cinema has many.

:12:27. > :12:33.There were two great eras and one was in the 1930s and 1940s. Barbara

:12:33. > :12:37.Stanwick, Rita Hayworth. My favourite is Lana Turner in the

:12:37. > :12:47.Postman Always Rings twice. This is a terrific performance. You can see

:12:47. > :12:47.

:12:47. > :12:57.her trying to persuade John Garfield to murder her husband.

:12:57. > :12:57.

:12:57. > :13:07.There is one thing we could do. Pray for something to happen?

:13:07. > :13:08.

:13:08. > :13:15.Something like that. You suggested it yourself once. I am so pleased

:13:15. > :13:21.to see John Garfield. What you must remember is this is the movie that

:13:21. > :13:26.changed her career. Before this she was known as the sweater Girl. This

:13:26. > :13:32.changed people's perceptions of her. In real life, she was incredible.

:13:32. > :13:37.She married eight times. What is so interesting is that all the way

:13:37. > :13:42.through the movie, you think if she could? Is she bad? As you see, she

:13:42. > :13:48.is reasonable, she is evil, she is every colour of the rainbow and

:13:48. > :13:56.terrific. I am reminding myself of your next choice. All the time, we

:13:56. > :14:01.know this one is bad. Juliette Binoche in Damage. She plays a

:14:01. > :14:06.mysterious woman who decimate so a family. She has an affair with her

:14:06. > :14:12.boyfriend's father. This is the moment she meets the father.

:14:12. > :14:19.give her her due, it is Jeremy Irons!

:14:19. > :14:29.You are Martin's father? I felt I ought to introduce myself. How do

:14:29. > :14:32.

:14:32. > :14:42.you do? How long have you known him? Not very long. I see. We have

:14:42. > :14:47.

:14:47. > :14:51.been closed just for a few months. Yes, I... I have heard about you.

:14:51. > :14:58.It is preposterous. An incredible performance. This is what she has

:14:58. > :15:01.been doing for her entire career, this weird, mysterious mask, a

:15:01. > :15:08.vortex of a girl, sucking the energy out of the screen towards

:15:08. > :15:11.her. She does the same thing in Three colours Blue. This type of

:15:11. > :15:21.woman is very interesting because they let everyone else do their

:15:21. > :15:27.dirty work. There is something Anglo-French going on.

:15:27. > :15:33.In Twitter, are they happy? They are happy. There is voting for

:15:33. > :15:38.Kathleen Turner. She is fantastic. There are many films. The remake of

:15:38. > :15:44.the Postman Always Rings twice. I would vote for higher in the man

:15:44. > :15:49.With Two brains in 1983. It is a different take. I remember Kathleen

:15:49. > :15:54.Turner in this film, I was 11 years old and never the same again.

:15:54. > :15:59.A lot of people would say about the next one this is for the boys. I do

:15:59. > :16:05.not know a man who does not come out in beads of sweat at the

:16:05. > :16:10.mention of this woman. It is the casting conundrum of all time. Not

:16:10. > :16:20.just the face that launched a 1,000 ships, but the sexiest being in the

:16:20. > :16:21.

:16:21. > :16:31.history of the universe. And here she is.

:16:31. > :16:41.Gently, darling. It is extremely sensitive. Like me. Why it is that?

:16:41. > :16:48.

:16:48. > :16:54.That is the planet aquaria. Take a left turn. The next new rising.

:16:54. > :17:04.Every Moon is a kingdom. My father keeps fighting -- keeps them

:17:04. > :17:07.

:17:07. > :17:17.fighting each other constantly. It is a brilliant strategy. Hilarious.

:17:17. > :17:18.

:17:18. > :17:22.Ornetta Muti. Now we can talk about a real woman in -- mentioning a

:17:22. > :17:29.category of actress who has exerted control over their director in real

:17:29. > :17:34.life. The most luminous example is Marlene Dietrich, who was working

:17:34. > :17:39.in nightclubs in Berlin in an late 1920s and early Thirties. Josef von

:17:39. > :17:45.Sternberg found her and put her on the screen. He made have an

:17:45. > :17:51.enormous staff. Anybody who says she did not need him, they have to

:17:51. > :18:01.look at these films. They made seven movies, they were lovers.

:18:01. > :18:18.

:18:18. > :18:25.This is her in ash tree. And a I expected you to pop-ups Sunday.

:18:25. > :18:32.Let me come backstage. -- Sunday. I remember you came backstage once

:18:32. > :18:38.before. That is such a rude line. After seven movies, she moved on

:18:38. > :18:46.and he was never the same personally or professionally again.

:18:46. > :18:51.Who is number one? My number one, from the 1980s and

:18:51. > :18:57.1990s. You mentioned Kathleen Turner. Pastiches of people like

:18:57. > :19:07.Lana Turner, but one woman stance head and shoulders above them.

:19:07. > :19:10.

:19:10. > :19:16.Linda Fiorentino. Look at this. Would you leave? Please? I have not

:19:16. > :19:23.finish charming you. The you have not started. Give me a chance.

:19:23. > :19:33.yourself a nice little cowgirl and make cow babies and leave me alone.

:19:33. > :19:38.

:19:38. > :19:46.I am hunt like a horse -- hung. Normally this sort of woman, they

:19:46. > :19:51.always end up paying in some way, dying, having to fall in love. Here,

:19:51. > :19:58.she is pure evil. You hate her by the end of the film. Every gesture,

:19:58. > :20:02.every line, it is a lie, she is extraordinary. You rarely see that.

:20:02. > :20:06.The performance deserved an Oscar. This was originally made for

:20:06. > :20:14.television, this film. If you look up her name, it comes up saying

:20:14. > :20:21.that she was difficult to work with. She was a great actress. Next week,

:20:21. > :20:26.we are going to be reviewing Life Of Pi. There is some strong

:20:26. > :20:33.language. How important is the idea of the culture clash in your films?

:20:33. > :20:41.Very much, it reflects my life. I grew up in Taiwan, and my parents

:20:41. > :20:46.were from China. When I was 23 I went to the States. All my life,

:20:46. > :20:50.feeding many things at the same time. I wanted to embrace the world

:20:50. > :20:56.and be identified as a mixture of many things. How do you enjoy

:20:56. > :21:06.London? And not at all. We sense and sensibility, set in the 19th

:21:06. > :21:07.

:21:07. > :21:11.century, -- with. How did you adapt to working with these actors?

:21:11. > :21:18.Prince Charles asked me at the premiere how I kept English actors

:21:18. > :21:24.in order! It was a struggle. They run around and they argue a lot. I

:21:24. > :21:29.think I came in with three Chinese films under my belt and I was a

:21:29. > :21:39.respected film-maker, but a novice to English culture. You reside in

:21:39. > :21:39.

:21:39. > :21:47.Devonshire? I linguistically, it is hard to come back in conversation

:21:47. > :21:57.let alone argument with that sort of actress. It was daunting. He has

:21:57. > :21:57.

:21:57. > :22:00.broken a vow. He made us believe he loved you. He did, he loved me.

:22:01. > :22:08.want to talk about catching Tiger hidden dragon, a ground-breaking

:22:08. > :22:17.movie. When you made the film, were you aware it would be a trial

:22:17. > :22:25.process? -- trailblazer? Not at all. After making an English movie I was

:22:25. > :22:35.a big shot! I wanted to do something that I had dreamt of sins

:22:35. > :22:45.child put. Martial-arts -- childhood. I wanted to bring

:22:45. > :22:49.

:22:49. > :22:53.quality to a B-movie. Hulk. Did it feel like the end of your career?

:22:53. > :23:00.was fearless because of the encouragement of crouching tiger. I

:23:00. > :23:07.got ambitious. I tried to have the same thing with American pop

:23:07. > :23:17.culture, instead of Chinese pop culture. I think I gave it too much

:23:17. > :23:19.

:23:19. > :23:26.thought. I treated it like a psychodrama. I thought about

:23:26. > :23:32.retirement. I did not want to retire on a movie about anger, so I

:23:32. > :23:37.went to make another small movie. I wanted to do, no ambition, just to

:23:37. > :23:45.secure the story and performances. The camera stays close to the

:23:45. > :23:55.actors. Me and my brother, we got work on a ranch. Until I was 19. He

:23:55. > :24:10.

:24:10. > :24:14.got married. No more room for me. That is how I ended up here. What?

:24:14. > :24:21.Those are more words then you have spoken in the past two weeks.

:24:21. > :24:25.hell, that is the most I have spoken in a year. I did not know I

:24:25. > :24:31.would bring the audience back. I thought it was a small art-house

:24:31. > :24:36.movie, with a limited audience. I got nervous when the movie broke

:24:36. > :24:42.out into the shopping centre. I thought I might be lynched.

:24:42. > :24:49.American gay cowboys! How day you?! What are your memories of working

:24:49. > :24:58.with Heath Ledger? He was a serious actor, sometimes nervous. I think

:24:58. > :25:03.he was intense. He would clench his fists. When I remember him, I want

:25:03. > :25:10.to remember him creating that character. It has a mortal quality.

:25:10. > :25:20.I think that is precious. Why do you not let me be? Because of you,

:25:20. > :25:34.

:25:34. > :25:38.I am like this. I am nothing, I am nowhere.

:25:38. > :25:42.We also want to mention a documentary about the infamous case

:25:42. > :25:47.of three teenagers who were wrongly imprisoned for the murder of 38-

:25:47. > :25:52.year-old boys and their 18 year fight to free them. As I say that I

:25:52. > :26:01.thought I was getting worthy, but this is magnificent.

:26:01. > :26:08.In it is an incredible piece of film-making. Western Memphis. There

:26:08. > :26:12.is a clip from a training film. It is the most ridiculous thing you

:26:12. > :26:18.have seen in your life and you do not laugh because you remember

:26:18. > :26:23.there were enough people taking it seriously to make sure, as we said,

:26:23. > :26:28.318 year old boys were sent away for the best part of 20 years for

:26:28. > :26:34.tragic murders they did not commit. Peter Jackson has produced this

:26:34. > :26:38.film and taken the investigation, he has taken charge of that. The

:26:38. > :26:43.film is interesting in the way it tells the story of the case with

:26:43. > :26:50.new investigative material. Because of Western Memphis, they got out of

:26:50. > :26:54.prison in the end. It is beautifully directed. The

:26:54. > :26:58.director made another extraordinary work. The way she pieces it

:26:58. > :27:03.together. You are watching a thriller. It would be interesting

:27:03. > :27:09.anyway, but the characters, Damien Eccles, who you will become

:27:09. > :27:12.obsessed by, take your breath away. You will be livid. You will also be

:27:12. > :27:18.amazed. This film will send a chill down

:27:18. > :27:22.the spine of anybody who was a teenager, listening to noisy music

:27:22. > :27:26.and wearing strange clothes. In certain communities in the Deep

:27:26. > :27:31.South, what becomes of view because of that. If people are interested

:27:31. > :27:35.in the case, there is another documentary, Paradise Lost.

:27:35. > :27:42.Western end this is properly brilliant and is out on 21st

:27:42. > :27:47.December. Next week we are back at 20 2:45pm. We will review Life Of

:27:47. > :27:53.Pi, Midnight's Children, and Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher. Playing us

:27:53. > :28:01.out tonight, Hitchcock, starring Anthony Hopkins and Helen Mirren.

:28:01. > :28:06.Thanks for watching. Good night. All of us harbour dark recesses of

:28:06. > :28:13.violence and horror. I am a man hiding in the corner with a camera,

:28:13. > :28:19.watching. How are you going to shoot the shower scene? Is there

:28:19. > :28:25.any improper suggestion of nudity? She will not been used. She will be

:28:25. > :28:29.wearing a shower cap. Show me footage now. I am under pressure

:28:29. > :28:35.and the least you can do is to give me support. I've and your wife. I

:28:35. > :28:39.have put up with those people who look through me as if I am

:28:39. > :28:49.invisible because all they can see is the great and glorious Alfred

:28:49. > :28:53.