Episode 10

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:00:24. > :00:30.Hello and welcome to Film 2013. We're live and if you want to get in

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:00:35. > :00:38.Coming up on tonight's show: Ridley Scott directs the A-list cast

:00:39. > :00:45.of The Counselor. You should be careful what you wish for. The

:00:46. > :00:54.shipment, it's gone! Jude Law and Richard E Grant star in

:00:55. > :00:57.crime-spree caper Dom Hemingway. And Joseph Gordon Levitt writes,

:00:58. > :01:06.directs and stars in rom-com gone wrong, Don Jon. Baby, what are you

:01:07. > :01:10.doing? I was just reading e-mails. No, you weren't!

:01:11. > :01:13.And we'll be reviewing Palme d'Or winner Blue Is The Warmest Color.

:01:14. > :01:18.I'm joined in the studio by Danny Leigh, as ever, and guest critic,

:01:19. > :01:22.Antonia Quirke. U thank you for coming in. -- thank you for coming

:01:23. > :01:26.in. First up is Ridley Scott and Cormac

:01:27. > :01:31.McCarthy's The Counselor. A dark tale of a lawyer who gets caught up

:01:32. > :01:37.in drug trafficking. It's a classic tragedy tale. There's also a love

:01:38. > :01:44.story in there. Will you? Yes, I will. I intend to love you until I

:01:45. > :01:52.die. Me first. It is a thriller at times. Counsellor... My back is

:01:53. > :02:02.against the wall. It is a complex drama. It is about the consequences

:02:03. > :02:08.of your own action. 65 kilos - -- 625 kilos - probably 20 million. My

:02:09. > :02:16.character is a nightclub business owner, the counsellor is my lawyer,

:02:17. > :02:21.but also I am the one who is helping him be in touch with something he

:02:22. > :02:27.shouldn't be in touch with. I know why I'm in it. Do you? Same as you,

:02:28. > :02:31.greed. No, you got in trouble. I tried to appeal to your greed two

:02:32. > :02:40.years ago. No deal. Now, it is too late. It is too late. What do you

:02:41. > :02:44.think I should do? I don't know. He's been seduced by the people

:02:45. > :02:49.around him. I am really worried. He wants a piece of it. That is

:02:50. > :02:58.unfortunately his unravelling. We have a problem. The shipment, it's

:02:59. > :03:09.gone! I had a call from my business partners. These people are out 20

:03:10. > :03:14.mill. Just you. They don't believe in coincidences. It is not a movie

:03:15. > :03:20.about a very normal plot. You have to make some work. That is one of

:03:21. > :03:26.the values of the movie itself. The writing is very powerful. He throws

:03:27. > :03:29.some jewels out there that are very powerful statements, about life

:03:30. > :03:42.itself. Do I remind you of someone else? Yes, you do. Someone you miss?

:03:43. > :03:47.Someone who is dead. I don't think I miss things. To miss something is to

:03:48. > :03:51.hope it will come back. It is not coming back. You don't think that is

:03:52. > :04:00.a bit cold? I think truth has no temperature. The movie is very dark.

:04:01. > :04:03.I know there is a responsibility that comes with making a movie about

:04:04. > :04:07.something like this because it is something that unfortunately is

:04:08. > :04:15.real. When the axe comes through the door, I'll already be gone. What do

:04:16. > :04:26.you think I should do? How bad is it? We are all done here. It has to

:04:27. > :04:29.hurt to watch it. If not, it is not dealing with the subject in a

:04:30. > :04:40.responsible way. The slaughter to come. It is probably beyond our

:04:41. > :04:47.imagining. If anyone is worried, Cameron Diaz was wearing a hood at

:04:48. > :04:51.lunch in that scene. The whole thing left me speechless. Shall I speak

:04:52. > :04:56.for you? Please. You think it is going to be star-studded. The real

:04:57. > :04:59.star is the script. The scriptwriter. It is possibly the

:05:00. > :05:06.world's finest living novelist. This thing that he's written, it is so

:05:07. > :05:15.extraordinary. You can't put an 80-year-old dude on the poster. This

:05:16. > :05:21.film is a Cormac audio book. It is engrossing. It is masterful. Maybe

:05:22. > :05:27.the only person on Earth who thinks that. Ridley Scott is watching right

:05:28. > :05:32.now going, "It's fine, I've made better." Maybe it is the visuals

:05:33. > :05:43.that are the problem. Should I have closed my eyes? Well, this is a

:05:44. > :05:49.famously a flop. None of the cast, crew, nobody wants to talk about it.

:05:50. > :05:58.I think the problem with this movie is the director. You are right, he

:05:59. > :06:05.is an incredible writer. Here he is, it is an original screenplay. Maybe

:06:06. > :06:14.it is useful to think about it like this. Imagine No Country For Old Men

:06:15. > :06:18.- imagine if that had been directed by Ridley Scott in this frame of

:06:19. > :06:23.mind that he appears to be in. He would have ended up a movie like The

:06:24. > :06:31.Counselor. He is the wrong director for this material. It needs someone

:06:32. > :06:35.with a lot more soul. It is about massive drug dealing and Ridley

:06:36. > :06:45.Scott is the perfect director. It is demRitsy and -- glitzy and

:06:46. > :06:49.tasteless. It is like Ashley Cole's cheese dream. Once you have too much

:06:50. > :06:57.money, the world goes mad! This is what happens. This movie is filled

:06:58. > :07:05.with cheetah in diamond-studded collars. It is a style section...

:07:06. > :07:09.They wish! What I would say is, didn't you get - I know it sounds

:07:10. > :07:14.weird - bored with all the characters? I was hoping they were

:07:15. > :07:17.all going to get blown up. Michael Fassbender's character, nothing

:07:18. > :07:22.makes sense. Isn't it great to be left guessing? I don't like

:07:23. > :07:27.guessing. I'm a woman! Can you please tell me how does Michael

:07:28. > :07:34.Fassbender, who is a legal aid lawyer, how does he afford to get

:07:35. > :07:39.involved in a 22 million dollar drugs heist? Maybe his grandmother

:07:40. > :07:49.died. What is so great is it is written as if Cormac has never seen

:07:50. > :07:59.the film before. Present company excepted, it is a flop. I feel

:08:00. > :08:05.uneasy about that. Cormac McCarthy is a magician. Most film critics

:08:06. > :08:10.couldn't write bum on a wall. Some of the lines are wonderful. The one

:08:11. > :08:18.that she says about truth has no temperature... That line you could

:08:19. > :08:24.imagine Barbara Stanwick. Cameron Diaz is terrific in this film. What

:08:25. > :08:28.is up with this woman? We don't know the backstory. I don't want a

:08:29. > :08:32.backstory. She gets the best lines. That is one of the reasons perhaps

:08:33. > :08:39.people have taken against this movie. Brad Pitt is brilliant?

:08:40. > :08:42.Javier Bardem is dressed like a deranged children's entertainer. It

:08:43. > :08:48.is like taking George Clooney and putting him upside-down in a skip!

:08:49. > :08:55.It is an insult to the actor. I love you for sticking up for it! Movie

:08:56. > :09:13.history - look, in reality, Friday night, if people hated Prometheus,

:09:14. > :09:20.they will hate this! OK. We will see.

:09:21. > :09:25.Next, actor Joseph Gordon Levitt writes, directs and stars in Don

:09:26. > :09:36.Jon. There are a few things I care about - my body, my ride, my family.

:09:37. > :09:41.My church. My boys. My girls. It is a story about how people treat each

:09:42. > :09:50.other more like things than people. And how the media can contribute to

:09:51. > :09:54.that. You have a boyfriend and a girlfriend. That's played by me and

:09:55. > :10:00.Scarlett. He watches too much pornography and she watches too many

:10:01. > :10:04.romantic Hollywood movies. I love movies like that. They have both

:10:05. > :10:09.developed these unrealistic expectations of what love and sex

:10:10. > :10:13.are spolzed to be. Why did you say yes to me? You will have to wait to

:10:14. > :10:20.find out. I have time. You are cute. I like you. I do think it is a

:10:21. > :10:27.romantic movie. It's certainly funny. But in many ways it does go

:10:28. > :10:32.against the rules of your standard rom-com, that's for sure. Baby, what

:10:33. > :10:36.are you doing? I was reading e-mails. You weren't. I don't think

:10:37. > :10:48.there is anything inherently wrong with pornography or a romantic

:10:49. > :10:51.movie. The problem is if we start expecting our real lives to be the

:10:52. > :10:55.same as what we see on a screen. Real life is not the same as what

:10:56. > :11:02.you see on a screen. How do you watch that? How do you watch the

:11:03. > :11:11.stupid movies you watch? They give awards for movies. They give awards

:11:12. > :11:16.for porn, too! If you talk about a PT Anderson movie, or a Woody Allen

:11:17. > :11:19.movie, some people love them and some people just don't get it. I

:11:20. > :11:24.think if you are going to do something bold and provocative and

:11:25. > :11:34.try to start a conversation, you will end up alienating some people

:11:35. > :11:38.and no offence meant. # It's just a

:11:39. > :11:44.# Good vibration. # Nothing to see here. Antonia? This

:11:45. > :11:49.movie is no good. I admire him for trying to make a film about this

:11:50. > :11:54.subject. I was in New Jersey where this movie is set, in fact. Every

:11:55. > :11:58.magazine, every radio station, this is the topic they are discussing,

:11:59. > :12:04.this tidal wave of porn. It was dropped on our heads. Then, two

:12:05. > :12:12.minutes later, there will be an ad for Viagara. Why are you looking at

:12:13. > :12:16.me? What is it doing to us? It's riddled with cliche and what have

:12:17. > :12:19.you. As he says himself, such a sweet boy, I'm trying to start a

:12:20. > :12:23.conversation. That is what he is doing and I admire him for it. You

:12:24. > :12:27.like the fact that it exists? I like the fact it exists. I don't want to

:12:28. > :12:31.see it again. Right. Is that enough? It is never good when the best part

:12:32. > :12:37.of the movie is the ten-second clip from a fake film. It is interesting,

:12:38. > :12:43.it is nice that he is trying to convey a positive message. It seems

:12:44. > :12:46.so sheltered and grannyish. It is as if he's only discovered the internet

:12:47. > :12:55.and people are doing rude things out there. He gets annoyed when he turns

:12:56. > :13:03.it on. Where is he looking for the porn from? He must have been trying

:13:04. > :13:08.to get this thing off the ground five years ago. I still think he is

:13:09. > :13:13.on the money. People weren't talking about this. It all seems motivated

:13:14. > :13:17.by this idea that he's discovered, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, who is a very

:13:18. > :13:21.talented boy, who has discovered one or two men might be using internet

:13:22. > :13:27.pornography. I have terrible news for him! At least it has something

:13:28. > :13:39.to say. It is about something. It is like a terrible advert for

:13:40. > :13:50.masturbation. As a director, he comes out as a good actor. He seems

:13:51. > :13:57.terrible here because he is playing this character. I don't think

:13:58. > :14:05.Scarlett Johansson... Don't you think she is great in it? My problem

:14:06. > :14:09.is it is so repetitive. He goes back to the same porn site. There are too

:14:10. > :14:14.many - the sister who is on her phone endlessly. I get it, after the

:14:15. > :14:18.eighth time! On the 15th time, there's got to be something else.

:14:19. > :14:22.That is his big idea. Sure, he will go on and make fantastic movies.

:14:23. > :14:30.This is a film school film that somebody has given him $25 million

:14:31. > :14:35.to make. Julianne Moore, I breathe a sigh - I thought that's brilliant.

:14:36. > :14:40.It changed the film. What is her character? She is a pair of clogs...

:14:41. > :14:48.No, no, she is much more than that in the film. I think the movie does

:14:49. > :14:52.have this lovely bit of sadness running through it. He does get

:14:53. > :14:56.involved with Julianne Moore, it is so obvious that that is what is

:14:57. > :15:01.going to happen. She's a widow and is in a bad way. You know, he's had

:15:02. > :15:05.a break-up. So you kind of get a sense that people are drawn to each

:15:06. > :15:11.other for all sorts of reasons. They know the relationship isn't going to

:15:12. > :15:15.last. They are clinging... Yes. I kind of bought that. I do get where

:15:16. > :15:19.you are coming from. It is so judgmental. He has a real problem

:15:20. > :15:24.with hair gel. So a character has a huge transformation because he stops

:15:25. > :15:29.wearing hair gel. We have all been through those moments. Thank you.

:15:30. > :15:45.Next, Jude Law and Richard E Grant buddy up in London crime romp Dom

:15:46. > :15:52.Hemingway. Mr Fontaine, you only use a gun to hold up a place, but no

:15:53. > :15:57.hunting. Dom Hemingway has just come out of prison and I have been his

:15:58. > :16:03.mentor and best buddy outside. They go on a crime revenge spree and

:16:04. > :16:15.everything that can go wrong does go wrong with hilarious consequences.

:16:16. > :16:20.Dad? You have to be kidding me. Dom is a petty criminal. He is a car

:16:21. > :16:26.crash of a man, really. He's trying to project something that he's not.

:16:27. > :16:29.And really the film is about getting beneath all those layers and seeing

:16:30. > :16:35.the shambles that he really is and what he really wants.

:16:36. > :16:41.Jesus Christ. You have to get control of yourself! I didn't bring

:16:42. > :16:44.the right shoes. Even with 30 pounds gained in weight, Jude Law makes

:16:45. > :16:50.people weak at the knees, which I saw in real life on a daily basis.

:16:51. > :16:53.It was obvious I had to let everything go because Dom had

:16:54. > :16:59.spiritually and physically to a point, so it was taking my face and

:17:00. > :17:06.maybe adding four or five unforgettable fights to it and years

:17:07. > :17:10.of booze - I didn't have to try too hard!

:17:11. > :17:16.I have a glorious tale to be passed down from generation to generation.

:17:17. > :17:22.Jude is playing somebody who is so out of control, but in order to play

:17:23. > :17:27.that part, he had to be so disciplined. He has huge long

:17:28. > :17:31.speeches that he had to keep repeating and we worried that his

:17:32. > :17:34.voice would give up because he had to shout so much. It was a big

:17:35. > :17:42.challenge for him. I'm stating what I'm stating. Stop stating what you

:17:43. > :17:46.are stating. State it again and I'll knock your teeth out! Can I state

:17:47. > :17:50.that I don't want you to be rude about it. Continue. That is quite a

:17:51. > :17:58.challenge. All of us grow up wanting to be something. I grew up wanting

:17:59. > :18:01.to be Mr T. This film wants to be Sexy Beast. It kind of almost gets

:18:02. > :18:07.there. There are moments when you think it is like a Pot Noodle and

:18:08. > :18:11.Haribo version of Sexy Beast. There is something to be said for any film

:18:12. > :18:25.that starts with an endless monologue of Jude Law. I'm going to

:18:26. > :18:37.say "penis" - it does set itself a high standard. OK. Antonia? In its

:18:38. > :18:46.dreams is it Sexy Beast! In its dreams it's Pipbter. -- Pinter. It

:18:47. > :18:51.ends up like that nice barman in Minder, you know. That is about as

:18:52. > :18:55.hard and dangerous as it gets. It is an extremely wet film and it has

:18:56. > :19:00.this incredible crisis of confidence about 40 minutes in. It is quite

:19:01. > :19:05.entertaining up till that point. Suddenly, it collapses and it has

:19:06. > :19:10.this sub-plot with the daughter. I found that very moving. It is

:19:11. > :19:14.interesting, isn't it, about villains and they seem to come in

:19:15. > :19:17.two types, the type that never says anything, the man with no name and

:19:18. > :19:21.the type that never shuts up, which is the kind of character we have

:19:22. > :19:30.here. It is a really difficult thing to keep up, that hyper articulate

:19:31. > :19:39.battering ram, lines like, "In my head, it's a disco in Manila full of

:19:40. > :19:44.transvestites suckling pigs." I'm a bit more charitable with it. There

:19:45. > :19:52.is enough ridiculous absurdity that you roll with it. Jude Law is from

:19:53. > :19:57.London, so I couldn't work out his action. Then there are moments when

:19:58. > :20:01.the film pauses. It does droop very badly after 40 minutes and Antonia

:20:02. > :20:06.is right. It turns into this weird, there is no-one kind like granddad

:20:07. > :20:12.type of thing. You have to give Jude Law lots of credit for the

:20:13. > :20:18.performance. You rate Law? I rate Law in it and Richard E Grant. He is

:20:19. > :20:24.interesting casting. What is quite funny is if you go into disreputable

:20:25. > :20:34.pubs in West London, you will see characters who look like Richard E

:20:35. > :20:39.Grant with fake hands. The thing about Law, you don't buy him as a

:20:40. > :20:44.killer, you don't buy him as a guy that is going to bite somebody's ear

:20:45. > :20:51.off. It is not that Jude Law can't be sinister. Think of him in The

:20:52. > :20:57.Talented Mr Ripley? Yes. He can do sinister. He can do that. Just

:20:58. > :21:04.not... I liked him in this. He was loyal. He was loyal to his boss so

:21:05. > :21:10.he stayed inside and he came out and he wanted his due. Can he go back

:21:11. > :21:14.inside? Next, is French love story Blue Is

:21:15. > :21:32.The Warmest Color and there is some very strong language.

:21:33. > :21:41.It's a common story, a meeting, a crush between these two girls. It is

:21:42. > :22:02.like a passion story. Everything involving that.

:22:03. > :22:08.You start from a script, but before the shoot, Abdellatif Kechiche told

:22:09. > :23:28.us we can improvise a lot. I could watch her for weeks - I

:23:29. > :23:34.could watch them both - but especially the young girl, Adele.

:23:35. > :23:39.Antonia? This is what the movie is about. It is about fixing a camera

:23:40. > :23:44.on a human being of tremendous wattage and allowing them to walk,

:23:45. > :23:52.talk, move, eat spaghetti, fall asleep. This is some of our greatest

:23:53. > :23:56.movies. Look at Goddard. Isn't she amazing? This is what the movie

:23:57. > :24:00.does. The movie - I can honestly say when I came out of this film, I

:24:01. > :24:05.wasn't sure where it was set - Paris? Who cares. All that matters

:24:06. > :24:09.is this incredible way in which it seemed to demonstrate perfectly what

:24:10. > :24:13.it feels like to be in love, the first flush of love, that utter

:24:14. > :24:18.concentration, the camera trying to puzzle her face out, the way it does

:24:19. > :24:21.that. There you are, three hours later, as you said, he could have

:24:22. > :24:25.carried on filming for another four hours and we would have sat there

:24:26. > :24:31.for another week. It is exceptional. One of the tell-tale moments in the

:24:32. > :24:37.film is there is a party scene and they have a movie screen up and the

:24:38. > :24:44.old silent movie icon, Louise Brooks is there. This is almost like a

:24:45. > :24:48.silent movie. It's a panoramic story which is told on the faces of the

:24:49. > :24:52.actresses and sometimes that is a tiny little glance and sometimes it

:24:53. > :24:56.is this huge explosion of emotion. It is all there. It is strange. We

:24:57. > :25:00.are going to end up talking about the sex scenes, but it is so funny.

:25:01. > :25:06.The sex scenes aren't that relevant in a funny kind of way. The real

:25:07. > :25:10.excitement in Blue Is The Warmest Color all happens from the neck up.

:25:11. > :25:25.There's been all kinds of controversies because the actresses

:25:26. > :25:31.won't talk about it. Martin Sheen barely survived Apocalypse Now. This

:25:32. > :25:36.is the movies. Of course, both of these actresses have said very

:25:37. > :25:41.publicly that they felt exploited that the whole experience was a

:25:42. > :25:46.nightmare, the director was exploitative. It is a strange that

:25:47. > :25:50.they didn't look unhappy when they were walking the red carpet at

:25:51. > :25:55.Cannes. Nevertheless, these things... It can sometimes come

:25:56. > :26:00.late? It can. They are probably right. It is super-exploitative in

:26:01. > :26:05.as much as these girls are perfect. These are perfect bodies. If he was

:26:06. > :26:09.going to be really brave, let's two ordinary-looking people. It is about

:26:10. > :26:15.young love and young bodies are always magnificent. You have these

:26:16. > :26:18.romances and the role of sex, when you get together with someone, that

:26:19. > :26:23.is when sex is amazing and that is glossed over in romances. I do think

:26:24. > :26:31.the sex scenes are a bit of a problem. The film's weakness is it

:26:32. > :26:35.all feels a bit self-conscious and a bit pompous. These are pompous sex

:26:36. > :26:39.scenes and I don't know, I almost found it is a strange thing to say

:26:40. > :26:44.sitting here on live TV with two women, after the first five or six

:26:45. > :26:49.minutes of watching the beautiful actresses having sex with each

:26:50. > :26:58.other, I found my mind wandering to the Cannes Festival. That shouldn't

:26:59. > :27:03.be what happened. It does make you uncomfortable. It is seven minutes

:27:04. > :27:14.of a three-hour film. You are right that the grandstanding makes you

:27:15. > :27:19.uncomfortable. It is Levined by the naturalness -- leavened by the

:27:20. > :27:22.naturalness. Lea Seydoux is the girl with the blue hair. Adele

:27:23. > :27:27.Exarchopoulos is exceptional. Didn't you think it was interesting how

:27:28. > :27:32.this is an actress who doesn't wear any make-up in the movie and it

:27:33. > :27:37.physically slides off her face in front of you without a snot or a

:27:38. > :27:43.tear. It does. Very quickly, film of the week? Antonia should go first.

:27:44. > :27:47.Blue Is The Warmest Color. Are you going to go The Counselor? I might

:27:48. > :27:57.just. And Blue Is The Warmest Color will

:27:58. > :28:01.be in cinemas on 22nd November. That's all from us. We'll be back at

:28:02. > :28:05.the same time next week. We're going to leave you tonight with a look at

:28:06. > :28:08.Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit, which will be in cinemas in January - and

:28:09. > :28:17.it's a bit violent. Goodnight. Somebody tried to kill me.

:28:18. > :28:34.Jack? Jack? Was work OK? Yeah. You sold this as an office job. Sit

:28:35. > :28:40.down. Talk me through your scary scenario. It is going to be a wipe

:28:41. > :28:46.out. We will never see it coming. You are not just an analyst anymore.

:28:47. > :28:54.You are operational now. You think this is game, Jack? They won't bring

:28:55. > :28:58.us to our knees without firing a shot. There is a real scenario here

:28:59. > :29:03.where we don't get out of this alive. We have been compromised. If

:29:04. > :29:06.you find the truth, will you believe it?