:00:25. > :00:27.Hello and welcome to the new series of Film 2015.
:00:28. > :00:29.We'd like to hear from you, so please do tweet us.
:00:30. > :00:46.The Hunger Games saga draws to a close.
:00:47. > :00:52.Sex, love and everything in between in Gaspar Noe's erotic drama
:00:53. > :01:00.And we have a close encounter with legendary director Steven Spielberg.
:01:01. > :01:06.I'm not going to tell you a bloody thing. Fair enough!
:01:07. > :01:08.Plus we'll take a look at Australian drama The Dressmaker,
:01:09. > :01:17.With me on the sofa, as ever, is always on-trend Danny Leigh,
:01:18. > :01:21.and joining us is the equally delicious Peter Bradshaw.
:01:22. > :01:23.First up is the last instalment of The Hunger Games quadrilogy.
:01:24. > :01:26.Back in 2012 when the Games began, Jennifer Lawrence didn't have
:01:27. > :01:42.an Oscar and Katniss hadn't even contemplated rebellion.
:01:43. > :01:55.My dear Ms. Verdeen, make no mistake, the game is coming to its
:01:56. > :02:01.end. It's a bleak story about the reality of war, so all of the movies
:02:02. > :02:09.have been a build-up to this final battle. Our future starts tomorrow
:02:10. > :02:17.at dawn. When we march together into the capital. There's rebellion
:02:18. > :02:23.building and Katniss is building in her position as the Mockingjay. In
:02:24. > :02:27.this film it is the final collision of all the conflicts that have been
:02:28. > :02:31.building throughout the series. One way or another this war is going to
:02:32. > :02:37.come to an end. Of course it is darker. It has to be by necessity.
:02:38. > :02:43.It is a gradual progression towards tend of the world or the beginning
:02:44. > :02:49.of a new world. The movie becomes a war movie. This is a girl who has an
:02:50. > :02:52.objective to go kill a dictator and she's going to do whatever it takes
:02:53. > :02:54.oing to do whatever it takes to achieve that goal.
:02:55. > :03:04.# Are you still trying to protect me? Real or not real? Real. That's
:03:05. > :03:11.what you and I do. Keep each other alive. I want it to be intense, I
:03:12. > :03:16.want it to be emotional. I didn't feel the need to explore carnage and
:03:17. > :03:19.gore and blood and guts. To me it was always about the emotional
:03:20. > :03:22.impact of everything. These books have always been intense. These
:03:23. > :03:25.books have always appealed to teenagers and I think they are about
:03:26. > :03:29.ideas that are important for teenagers to learn about and think
:03:30. > :03:34.about. What you are seeing is how people have changed through the
:03:35. > :03:38.experiences of war and how one person manages to stand by her good
:03:39. > :03:49.morals and values and do the right thing. Tonight, turn your weapons to
:03:50. > :03:59.the capital. Turn your weapons to snow. And if there's any question as
:04:00. > :04:05.to what it is an allegory for, of the the powers that be in the United
:04:06. > :04:11.States of America. It's profiteers. War is for profit. It is not to save
:04:12. > :04:15.the world, for democracy or King and country. No, bullshit. It's for the
:04:16. > :04:23.profit of Top 10% and the young people who
:04:24. > :04:28.will see this film must recognise that in the future blind faith in
:04:29. > :04:37.their leaders, as Bruce Springsteen said, will get you dead. Snow has to
:04:38. > :04:44.pay for what he's done. Make no mistake, the game isn't over.
:04:45. > :04:55.Danny? I feel very sad, very bereft. The longer this series has gone on
:04:56. > :05:01.the more I realise how rare and special Hunger Games was. The
:05:02. > :05:05.gargantuan blockbuster franchise, which asked wild and interesting
:05:06. > :05:11.questions, I'm competing with Peter Bradshaw here. You used the word
:05:12. > :05:15.interesting I'm pleased it is end ing with this narrative arc clicking
:05:16. > :05:23.into place and it is still spectacular. I agree. It is still
:05:24. > :05:28.smart. There's some wonderful Kat acting as well. Is a hug
:05:29. > :05:36.appropriate? I will cuddle you after. But you're wrong, I'm sad
:05:37. > :05:40.that it ended like this. I'm not talking about the last 15 minute of
:05:41. > :05:46.the film but the whole nine hours of the film, which I thought she had
:05:47. > :05:53.much less power, much loose oomph, I thought hit be taken away. I've got
:05:54. > :06:00.to say I agree with that. This is the franchise that refused to die.
:06:01. > :06:07.All the other ones have died. Divergent died and Twilight died but
:06:08. > :06:14.this for me stayed stubbornly alive. This was a weird nihilist dystopian
:06:15. > :06:21.power behind it. I don't buy into it, I'm not a believer like Danny,
:06:22. > :06:26.but I still think Jennifer Lawrence carries it. Oh my God, can you
:06:27. > :06:29.imagine if she wasn't there?! Oh, I feel physically sick. ? The action
:06:30. > :06:36.hiller seen where they take the capital and it turns outs the be
:06:37. > :06:41.booby-trapped, I thought it was a great scene, Tiscali good. I don't
:06:42. > :06:47.think it is any great shakes, but I do think it stayed alive in the most
:06:48. > :06:51.interesting way. This felt very drawn out and there were long
:06:52. > :06:54.periods where it was like group therapy sessions, where there were
:06:55. > :07:00.long shots of them all having the same conversation. The endless, if
:07:01. > :07:06.you want to kill me... That's because it is more of an action
:07:07. > :07:12.movie. It is a sturdy and competent action movie, and that's what it is.
:07:13. > :07:18.There is an old line about movies you can't make an antiwar movie. As
:07:19. > :07:24.soon as you show this stuff on scene it becomes exciting and glamorous,
:07:25. > :07:34.but Hunger Games makes a spectacular thinking action movie which also
:07:35. > :07:38.brings out how flat out sad it is. There's a very thrilling and
:07:39. > :07:43.spectacular action scene but that's only 12 minutes. I don't think it is
:07:44. > :07:47.about war in the sense that Donald Sutherland thinks it is. It is a
:07:48. > :07:58.really interesting or semi interesting algae about -- allegory
:07:59. > :08:03.about how young people feel. The way she gets keep getting shot in scenes
:08:04. > :08:08.unseriously and wakes up the next day in a hospital bed. And in the
:08:09. > :08:16.books she is so powerful, so strong, she speaks from the heart, she's a
:08:17. > :08:26.wonderful figure, and here in one miniature speech she goes OK... It
:08:27. > :08:37.is frustrating. So many movies treat us like kids but this one treats us
:08:38. > :08:44.like an adult. I'm not. The tigress, I take it all back. It is like face
:08:45. > :08:47.painting. All Jennifer Lawrence needs to do now is overtake Russell
:08:48. > :08:52.and we are all set. For lots of people, Steven Spielberg
:08:53. > :08:55.is the uncrowned king of Hollywood. ET, Schindler's List, Indiana
:08:56. > :08:57.Jones, Jaws - just one of those films would make an entire career,
:08:58. > :09:00.but Spielberg made them all, and with his new film Bridge of Spies
:09:01. > :09:03.opening next week, Spielberg's roll Our own Danny Leigh took him
:09:04. > :09:14.back to where it all began. He put a generation off going into
:09:15. > :09:19.the water in Jaws, snatched our breath away in Jurassic Park. And he
:09:20. > :09:25.created the most loveable alien in movie history. ET... Steven
:09:26. > :09:33.Spielberg plays with our emotions better than anyone. Is it a boy or a
:09:34. > :09:38.girl? He's been doing it for 40 years, but it so nearly didn't
:09:39. > :09:43.happen. Steven thank you for joining us. I wanted to talk to you a little
:09:44. > :09:47.about Jaws, which has had hits 40th birthday. Famously the story was you
:09:48. > :09:53.were repeatedly almost fired from that film. Had you been fired what
:09:54. > :09:57.would have happened? I think they would have shut down the picture.
:09:58. > :10:04.The head of the studio was never going to allow me to get fired, I
:10:05. > :10:09.knew that, but a come under him determined I was off the picture. We
:10:10. > :10:13.were 100 days off schedule. Anybody else would have fired that director
:10:14. > :10:18.Ben he was seven days over schedule, but he was my mentor, he discovered
:10:19. > :10:24.me, I owed my career to him and I said, I will finish this picture, I
:10:25. > :10:28.can't tell you when, I won't make false promises, but I will finish
:10:29. > :10:34.it, and I can't tell you whether it will be good or not, but the end is
:10:35. > :10:45.in sights. He said go ahead, finish the picture.
:10:46. > :11:01.If you hadn't made Jaws would your career have ended up in the same
:11:02. > :11:04.place eventually? If I hadn't made a movie that was such a quantum
:11:05. > :11:11.success I wouldn't have had the freedom to decide what movie I
:11:12. > :11:16.wanted to make next. I would have been a director for hire, attaching
:11:17. > :11:21.myself to projects that the studios had preapproved as opposed to
:11:22. > :11:24.creating my own projects and being able to get a studio to agree to
:11:25. > :11:29.finance a project they didn't see eye to eye with me on. Success
:11:30. > :11:37.allows you to get the financing, if the studio doesn't believe in the
:11:38. > :11:43.project but you do. It sounds like you've reached the stage in your
:11:44. > :11:49.career where a Steven Spielberg movie is a genre in itself. Do you
:11:50. > :11:53.think these are separate pieces? I try to tell different kinds of
:11:54. > :11:56.stories, especially stories I'm not personally familiar with. Stories
:11:57. > :12:00.that are outside my comfort zone. I think I do better work as a film
:12:01. > :12:12.maker when I'm not in my comfort zone and I have to learn a whole new
:12:13. > :12:16.set of precepts. Your films are always so good at capturing that
:12:17. > :12:22.child's eye view. Do you still feel like a child when watching your own
:12:23. > :12:25.movies? I feel childlike when I watch a picture that evokes those
:12:26. > :12:30.feelings of innocence and wonder, awe. So when I see a movie like
:12:31. > :12:34.that, I completely convert to a child. I think all of us do. That's
:12:35. > :12:39.the effect certain movies have on audiences. It feels like your films
:12:40. > :12:44.have unique gift of touching everyone emotionally. For me it was
:12:45. > :12:49.ET. I saw it when I was ten and I was never the same again. When you
:12:50. > :13:02.realise you have that power and gift, do you feel you have to -- use
:13:03. > :13:08.it wisely? . I never use that word. It is like kismet, luck and timing.
:13:09. > :13:13.The movie has to be good but there has to be other factors involved in
:13:14. > :13:17.it too. Even the culture, the social temperature in the air. Bridge of
:13:18. > :13:23.Spies is connecting with people for a lot of good reasons, good
:13:24. > :13:29.performances, and an intriguing story that no-one had ever heard of
:13:30. > :13:34.until Matt Sharman, the British play right brought it to me. Wow! Not
:13:35. > :13:40.sure I want to pick that up. This is the fourth film you have made with
:13:41. > :13:45.Tom Hanks. When you have that relationship with an actor, is it
:13:46. > :13:51.strictly professional, or do you strike up a friendship off camera.
:13:52. > :13:57.Is a personal friendship part of that? Of course it is friendship.
:13:58. > :14:02.You enjoy the company of the actor, and in Tom Hanks' case we were
:14:03. > :14:08.personal friends for 12 years before making Private Ryan. Private Ryan
:14:09. > :14:12.was a test, can a friendship survive when two personal buddies become
:14:13. > :14:18.professional colleagues. And it did. Bridge of Spies I think is your 11th
:14:19. > :14:22.film in the last 15 years. That's a scary work ethic. Does there come a
:14:23. > :14:27.moment when you think, actually I'm going to walk away for a while? I
:14:28. > :14:34.have walked away twice for three years. After shinned shinned,
:14:35. > :14:38.because -- of Schindler's List, because it was a very tough and
:14:39. > :14:44.emotion experience to get through that. After private Ryan I didn't
:14:45. > :14:49.work for three years. It is not that I'm ever not working or active but I
:14:50. > :14:52.have taken breaks from directing. Especially when the movie has had an
:14:53. > :15:06.impact on me personally. Are there any films of yours which
:15:07. > :15:12.you feel were underrated? Munich perhaps. I think that was
:15:13. > :15:19.underrated. And there is of movie I am really fond of called Always, and
:15:20. > :15:26.perhaps that is the most underrated movie I have directed. That is one
:15:27. > :15:29.of my favourite films that I have made which nobody has seen.
:15:30. > :15:36.Literally I have spoken to people who have never seen it. I have seen
:15:37. > :15:40.that movie, it is a great movie. If the director of Bridge Of Spies
:15:41. > :15:44.could go back and give some advice to the Steven Spielberg who was
:15:45. > :15:50.making Jaws in his 20s, what advice would you give? If I could go back
:15:51. > :15:57.in time and talk to myself? That is a movie, you see! That is a very
:15:58. > :16:03.good plot! The most important advice I could give myself is to say, I am
:16:04. > :16:06.not going to tell you a bloody thing because the most important thing and
:16:07. > :16:12.the greatest thing about life is the surprises. Just take them in your
:16:13. > :16:16.stride. So, did you love him? He is adopting me. Excellent!
:16:17. > :16:19.And we'll be reviewing Bridge of Spies next week.
:16:20. > :16:22.Next up is Love 3D, a seriously erotic drama from French
:16:23. > :16:26.director Gaspar Noe, featuring unsimulated sex and a memorable
:16:27. > :16:29.ejaculation in 3D, which we can't show you, even on late night telly!
:16:30. > :16:32.Even so, there are some scenes of a sexually explicit nature coming
:16:33. > :16:55.They are not many movies which portray passionate love for what it
:16:56. > :17:01.is. In my case, I really wanted to do a movie which seemed to me to
:17:02. > :17:18.portray what these universal experiences are. What happened? It
:17:19. > :17:23.broke. Did you come? The story of a young guy who wakes up in the
:17:24. > :17:27.morning on the 1st of January and he is next to his girlfriend and they
:17:28. > :17:33.have a baby. This guy is remembering his passionate love affair with a
:17:34. > :17:39.girl which lasted two years and it was very extreme. The movie
:17:40. > :17:47.describes how it goes when you are at it did to someone. Got to take
:17:48. > :17:55.care of that baby. Leave me alone, please. Trying to get the movie
:17:56. > :17:59.financed was not so easy, because when people ask you how you are
:18:00. > :18:04.going to shoot those love scenes, I say... Yes, but how much are you
:18:05. > :18:10.going to show? Yes, but what will the rating be? I do not see why when
:18:11. > :18:13.people get naked touching each other, you should cut and go to the
:18:14. > :18:19.next morning. Watching them naked is fascinating. I could have done the
:18:20. > :18:23.movie also with other people. I don't know if the movie would have
:18:24. > :18:29.been that touching. Because it seems they make a perfect couple
:18:30. > :18:34.on-screen, although the guy is not always bright, there is some kind of
:18:35. > :18:41.perfection. It is touching. All these sex scenes or the love scenes
:18:42. > :18:51.are tainted with that sadness of somebody who lost a lot. They are
:18:52. > :18:56.emotionally arousing. From a heartbreaking point of view, yes,
:18:57. > :19:01.you can get aroused but I have not heard of anybody masturbating in the
:19:02. > :19:08.cinema. All right, then! I have not heard of anybody doing that, either.
:19:09. > :19:12.I think like all of his films it is about basically three things. It is
:19:13. > :19:18.about hard-core penetrates sex, cocaine and sulphate, really. It is
:19:19. > :19:22.about depressive self-hate. And of these things I think the third is
:19:23. > :19:25.the most important. It is what is driving it. I was fascinated by this
:19:26. > :19:31.film. It is less technically ambitious than his other films. It
:19:32. > :19:35.is lower budget even though it has this 3D novelty thing going on. I
:19:36. > :19:40.think you need a sort of a sense of humour to buy into it. But there is
:19:41. > :19:44.something fascinating about it. It is just fascinatingly obsessed with
:19:45. > :19:51.sex. And it is unapologetic about that. I think it is great, because
:19:52. > :19:56.everybody pretends not to be affected by sex. There are lots of
:19:57. > :20:00.sophisticates who will say when confronted by a film like this, it
:20:01. > :20:06.is very boring. Absolute rubbish, it is not boring at all. But I think it
:20:07. > :20:13.is such a strange thing. Clearly it is a film with a lot of bare flesh
:20:14. > :20:19.and so many tongues! But actually... It is not about sex or rather it is
:20:20. > :20:23.about sex and also the Messi stuff which goes on. I think once you have
:20:24. > :20:29.wiped off the surface of this film and see what is really going on, it
:20:30. > :20:34.is quite a poignant, plaintive, old-fashioned, doomed romance. It is
:20:35. > :20:39.briefing counter, but more sticky. That is how I took it. It is about
:20:40. > :20:45.men and women. And his stupidity. Absolutely. I think we are allowed
:20:46. > :20:55.to quote. He actually says, I am addict. And he is, here's a massive
:20:56. > :21:04.dick. I could not cope with the whispering voice over, and actually
:21:05. > :21:08.the dialogue. The sex is excellent. It is surprisingly soft core in a
:21:09. > :21:13.way because it is all about consenting sex with a condom. It is
:21:14. > :21:19.very, very responsible stuff. Considering it is Gaspar Noe, who is
:21:20. > :21:26.usually the most shocking, hard-core of them all. And if you listen to
:21:27. > :21:31.who is being asked and told to do what, who is really interested in
:21:32. > :21:35.who, it does tell its own story. So I will go and see the film again. So
:21:36. > :21:41.when people see me watching the film, be aware that while I am
:21:42. > :21:47.sitting there watching it, all I am thinking about is narrative subtext
:21:48. > :21:53.and compositional... You mentioned controversial - there is that scene
:21:54. > :21:58.which is 3D, straight at the lens, I had never seen anything like that
:21:59. > :22:03.before? It sticks in the mind. You do find yourself flinching. I think
:22:04. > :22:09.the most outrageous character is the one played by Gaspar, the gallery
:22:10. > :22:15.owner who has a sex scene in the film. It is not beyond the bounds of
:22:16. > :22:19.possibility that Gaspar Noe has made this entire film simply to get
:22:20. > :22:25.himself a sex scene with a very beautiful woman. It is the most wish
:22:26. > :22:32.fulfilment film ever. His last film left everybody who saw it fried and
:22:33. > :22:33.twitching so he is allowed to be melancholy and reflective and expose
:22:34. > :22:35.himself in every way. Next is Aussie costume drama
:22:36. > :22:37.The Dressmaker. Set in 1950s outback Australia, Kate
:22:38. > :23:07.Winslet plays seamstress siren Tilly Myrtle, you grew up, you got out.
:23:08. > :23:12.The murderous is back! I need to remember the truth. They say she
:23:13. > :23:27.killed a boy. Where do you go from here? I reckon you came home for one
:23:28. > :23:34.of two things - revenge or... A dress cannot change anything. Watch
:23:35. > :23:40.and learn, Gertrude. I can make you the most striking girl. Take your
:23:41. > :23:45.clothes off. A murderer and a lesbian.
:23:46. > :23:51.This film is completely and utterly unhinged. I think I might mean that
:23:52. > :23:57.as a condiment. It is not the film you think you are going to get. You
:23:58. > :24:02.think it will be a quite sweet tale about Kate Winslet arriving in this
:24:03. > :24:11.dusty place running up these lavish frocks for the bored ladies. But
:24:12. > :24:19.actually it is not that movie. Real movie is the evil twin of that
:24:20. > :24:24.film, which is this quite dark movie, which is actually like
:24:25. > :24:28.Carrie. It is a better remake of carry them Carrie was. I don't know
:24:29. > :24:36.what to make of it but it is not the film you think. I saw it... We saw
:24:37. > :24:40.it altogether. Not altogether! No, but I found it unbelievably
:24:41. > :24:48.enjoyable. Oh, my god! Please tell me... I think the choking awfulness
:24:49. > :24:57.of this film settles on you like acid rain. It is just appalling. It
:24:58. > :25:07.is not! It is an unfunny, small-town comedy which tries to be an an
:25:08. > :25:13.interesting tragedy. And the sheer tonal misjudgement is just terrible
:25:14. > :25:20.and horrible! It is totally odd. I don't know what genre to put it in.
:25:21. > :25:25.You can put it as terrible. Kate Winslet is so strong, so brilliant.
:25:26. > :25:29.For her alone... I think Kate Winslet does a professional job of
:25:30. > :25:36.work but she is marooned in the middle of a terrible film. A bit
:25:37. > :25:44.like Juliette Binoche in Chocolate with that same sticky horribleness.
:25:45. > :25:52.She is not saying dressmaking is life affirming! And tries to get
:25:53. > :25:58.away with it! I am completely with you, Claudia. I don't know how this
:25:59. > :26:02.film got made the way it was. The Coen brothers talk about directing,
:26:03. > :26:07.and the job of directing is time management. But that is what is so
:26:08. > :26:12.fascinating about this. The town has been totally mismanaged. I do not
:26:13. > :26:16.know what the tone is, how would you describe it? It is dark, it is
:26:17. > :26:23.weird, it is like nothing you have ever seen. It stays with you. It is
:26:24. > :26:29.profound humourlessness. Come of it! The tone is left home alone with a
:26:30. > :26:38.box of matches. Fantastic! Please! Have you abandoned all... I would
:26:39. > :26:45.like to say that this was kept between the three of us, but I like
:26:46. > :26:52.this film. Even five minutes of this film! Each minute lasts an hour how
:26:53. > :26:58.can you say that after you watched nine days of Mockingjay?! That went
:26:59. > :27:03.fast in the blink of an eye by comparison. I think this is really
:27:04. > :27:10.darkly funny. I do not want to give anything away. It is darkly
:27:11. > :27:17.unfunny, yes, sort of. I am saying it is darkly funny but I'm not sure
:27:18. > :27:23.it is trying to be. Yes! I think it is trying to get points. It is
:27:24. > :27:37.trying to be darkly funny or darkly this, that or the other. OK, Film of
:27:38. > :27:42.the Week? I will give it to me Love. I will give it to Hunger Games.
:27:43. > :27:46.Playing us out tonight is Quentin Tarantino's True Romance
:27:47. > :28:01.You Said Last Night Was One Of The Best Times You Ever Had. Yes, but I
:28:02. > :28:07.am talking about the whole night. I never had such fun. It is true, you
:28:08. > :28:12.are like Elvis, you are like Elvis, UI like kung fu movies, you are like
:28:13. > :28:23.the Partridge family. I don't like the Partridge family! I feel really
:28:24. > :28:37.goofy saying this after only knowing you one night. Me being a call girl
:28:38. > :28:48.and all. But I think I love you. Wait a second. Let's try and keep
:28:49. > :28:54.this whole thing in post. You just said you loved me. If I say I love
:28:55. > :28:59.you and we throw caution to the wind... I am not lying to you. I
:29:00. > :29:05.will never lie to you again.