0:00:02 > 0:00:04'Stand by, as the listeners to the biggest radio show
0:00:04 > 0:00:08'in the country are given their own TV show.
0:00:09 > 0:00:10'Norman.
0:00:12 > 0:00:14'Anne-Marie.
0:00:14 > 0:00:16'Marie.
0:00:16 > 0:00:17'Bertie.
0:00:20 > 0:00:21'Carmel.
0:00:23 > 0:00:26'Mervyn and Heidi.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30'Radio Face is not recorded live
0:00:30 > 0:00:32'but, after the programme has finished,
0:00:32 > 0:00:35'these are real listeners to The Nolan Show
0:00:35 > 0:00:39'continuing the conversation while I stay in the studio
0:00:39 > 0:00:42'and they speak to me from their own homes and cars.'
0:00:48 > 0:00:51ON RADIO: 'We're talking about benefits once again on the programme'
0:00:51 > 0:00:54this morning, and the whole issue of welfare reform.
0:00:54 > 0:00:55Here's the question...
0:00:55 > 0:00:58do you have sympathy for people who are having their benefits cut?
0:00:58 > 0:01:00I can tell you right now,
0:01:00 > 0:01:03the phones are going boogaloo about this already this morning.
0:01:03 > 0:01:05'People who sit on benefits have no interest in working,
0:01:05 > 0:01:08'and not only that, their children have no interest in working,
0:01:08 > 0:01:11'and then their grandchildren have no interest in working. It needs to stop!'
0:01:11 > 0:01:13Why don't they go out and get a real job?
0:01:13 > 0:01:17Why don't they go out and get a real job? No, do you know why?
0:01:17 > 0:01:18The money's too handy these days.
0:01:18 > 0:01:21The money's too handy. They don't want to work.
0:01:21 > 0:01:22I call them wasters.
0:01:22 > 0:01:26And you see all these wasters. None of them get out of bed for anything.
0:01:26 > 0:01:27Sometimes, they'll get up
0:01:27 > 0:01:30and go out for a packet of cigarettes or a newspaper.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33People on benefits are dossers.
0:01:33 > 0:01:34Have you ever seen?
0:01:34 > 0:01:37There's a lot of people out there that's on fucking benefits
0:01:37 > 0:01:38that's trying to get a job.
0:01:39 > 0:01:42But, sure, they're letting people into this fucking country
0:01:42 > 0:01:44that's taking jobs away from us.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47There are jobs out there, but lots of people don't want to do the jobs
0:01:47 > 0:01:50that other people are prepared to do, coming from other countries.
0:01:50 > 0:01:51That is something that I don't...
0:01:51 > 0:01:54Why can't you just do a job in the meantime,
0:01:54 > 0:01:57just to cover yourself, and then whenever a better job
0:01:57 > 0:02:00or a better opportunity comes along, you're ready to do it?
0:02:00 > 0:02:01Are you on benefits?
0:02:01 > 0:02:03Am I on benefits? Aye, I'm on benefits.
0:02:03 > 0:02:06- And I'm on benefits.- So I am.
0:02:06 > 0:02:08So you're on benefits.
0:02:08 > 0:02:12I'm told that there's a TV on your wall, and a Sky box above it.
0:02:12 > 0:02:15Aye, but hold on a minute. But that I have to save for each month.
0:02:15 > 0:02:19I have to put away a couple of pound each week to pay for that.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25If you go into a house and somebody's on benefits,
0:02:25 > 0:02:27- and they've a 50-inch television... - That's right.
0:02:27 > 0:02:31..and a leather sofa, and they're head-to-toe in their branded gear...
0:02:31 > 0:02:33- Yes, that's right. - ..they're not too skint.- No.
0:02:33 > 0:02:35But do you know my point there?
0:02:35 > 0:02:39My point there is, I need to be honest with you, we need more jobs.
0:02:39 > 0:02:41See, someone who is a worker, and I mean a WORKER -
0:02:41 > 0:02:44someone who's willing to work - they'll find work.
0:02:44 > 0:02:46There's an awful lot of people out there
0:02:46 > 0:02:48- that have tried to go for jobs... - And got knocked back.
0:02:48 > 0:02:51..and got knocked back because there's no fucking jobs out there.
0:02:51 > 0:02:54Unless you go on minimum wage.
0:02:54 > 0:02:56And minimum wage, sure, what's fucking minimum wage?
0:02:56 > 0:02:59Sure, it wouldn't even get you a carry-out.
0:02:59 > 0:03:03But the whole point of minimum wage is not to buy a carry-out, is it?
0:03:03 > 0:03:06The whole point of minimum wage is to have a pride in working
0:03:06 > 0:03:09and be able to pay your bills.
0:03:09 > 0:03:13Stephen, I was never on the broo in my life.
0:03:13 > 0:03:17I worked seven days a week for 30 years.
0:03:17 > 0:03:20My wife never seen me, she never hardly.
0:03:20 > 0:03:22Because I was always working.
0:03:22 > 0:03:26Sure, would you want to work if it's £70, £80 in your pocket every week?
0:03:26 > 0:03:29I wouldn't have had it in my pocket by the time I got my house
0:03:29 > 0:03:30and paid all my bills.
0:03:30 > 0:03:33So I wouldn't. I have to budget for my house.
0:03:34 > 0:03:38'People don't know what real poverty is in this country.
0:03:38 > 0:03:43'If they haven't got a mobile phone, a plasma TV, a laptop,
0:03:43 > 0:03:45'they are crying poverty.
0:03:45 > 0:03:49'If they want to see real poverty, go out to Bangladesh or Africa,
0:03:49 > 0:03:52'where people are having to poke through rubbish,
0:03:52 > 0:03:54'they're feeding off rats, so they are.'
0:03:54 > 0:03:56It's interesting, Norman,
0:03:56 > 0:03:58cos I have been in people's homes in Northern Ireland
0:03:58 > 0:04:01where it has been freezing in the dead of winter,
0:04:01 > 0:04:03and they cannot turn the heating on.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06Now, in anybody's book, is that not poverty?
0:04:06 > 0:04:08And people might say, Norman, bully for you,
0:04:08 > 0:04:13comparing your situation to someone that can't afford to turn heating on.
0:04:13 > 0:04:15PHONE DISCONNECT TONE
0:04:15 > 0:04:18What effect would it have on you if your benefits were cut?
0:04:18 > 0:04:21Well, I was only getting Jobseeker's,
0:04:21 > 0:04:24and I was on 150 a fortnight.
0:04:24 > 0:04:27130... 135, you were on.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29A fortnight.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31To pay electric out and to pay this out.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34They are getting more than what a pensioner gets. So they are.
0:04:34 > 0:04:37Yet a pensioner has to live on his pension.
0:04:37 > 0:04:40£500 a week, I wouldn't go out to work either,
0:04:40 > 0:04:42and that's what's wrong with the system. So it is.
0:04:42 > 0:04:44There's hard-working families,
0:04:44 > 0:04:46low-paid families who are willing to work,
0:04:46 > 0:04:48they're bringing in less than £500 a week
0:04:48 > 0:04:50that these people are sitting and getting.
0:04:50 > 0:04:55- Justify the benefit system for me. You justify it.- Well, OK.
0:04:55 > 0:04:58I'll try my best in saying, what do you want?
0:04:58 > 0:05:00What's the alternative to the benefit system?
0:05:00 > 0:05:02Take the money off the people who are getting it
0:05:02 > 0:05:05and let them starve on the streets?
0:05:05 > 0:05:07That's a little bit of an exaggeration.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10Well, then, what is your alternative? Tell me what...?
0:05:10 > 0:05:11People aren't starving on the streets.
0:05:11 > 0:05:14But they will be if you take the money off them!
0:05:14 > 0:05:17Half the time, she ended up coming, between...
0:05:17 > 0:05:20Owing the friends and neighbours meals and all this and that.
0:05:20 > 0:05:25So if you give anybody 130 a fortnight and see how they can cope
0:05:25 > 0:05:27when you still have your bills on top of that.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29Would you be able to cope, Stephen?
0:05:29 > 0:05:34If you got £135 a fortnight, would you be able to cope?
0:05:34 > 0:05:37- No way.- No, your dinners would cost too much
0:05:37 > 0:05:40when you eat out with them big executives.
0:05:40 > 0:05:42You've got to help people who need it.
0:05:42 > 0:05:44We have already got food banks in Belfast.
0:05:44 > 0:05:47Do you think that everyone who's on benefits needs that money?
0:05:47 > 0:05:50- That they can't go out and get a job?- Absolutely not.
0:05:50 > 0:05:54Albeit a job that they don't want to do, or feel is beneath them,
0:05:54 > 0:05:58or, for whatever reason, they're just not inclined to do it.
0:05:58 > 0:06:00I'm going to tell you something now.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02There's a fella who lives up my road,
0:06:02 > 0:06:04and he never worked in his life, Robert.
0:06:05 > 0:06:07And his mother, when he was a wee fella,
0:06:07 > 0:06:09about 15, his mother said he had bad nerves.
0:06:09 > 0:06:11He had nothing wrong with him at all.
0:06:11 > 0:06:15He spends about four times a year in Spain or wherever.
0:06:15 > 0:06:17I mean, he is getting paid by the Government.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19All the money, he's getting, that he can get.
0:06:19 > 0:06:21- And that's a fair wee bit.- Yeah.
0:06:21 > 0:06:24'So this is the thing. The majority of the people aren't ill.
0:06:24 > 0:06:27'Like, they get the DLA for their children, that's why they do it.'
0:06:27 > 0:06:30'See, you're another one here, "The majority of them aren't ill."
0:06:30 > 0:06:33'Who you to say whether they are or not, though?'
0:06:33 > 0:06:36- What about the DLA?- I hate the DLA. I hate the sticks.
0:06:36 > 0:06:38Sometimes, you see them coming out with their sticks
0:06:38 > 0:06:39and they're walking better.
0:06:39 > 0:06:42They're not really using the stick, but it's there as a prop.
0:06:42 > 0:06:43Well, you're right, Eileen.
0:06:43 > 0:06:47I've seen people up on roofs and all this, and they're getting DLA.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49And there's nothing wrong with them.
0:06:49 > 0:06:51Is it any wonder the country's in the state it's in?
0:06:51 > 0:06:53Do you not want to work?
0:06:53 > 0:06:57But we do do work. We're, um...housekeepers.
0:06:57 > 0:07:00- So we work more than... - I'm a full-time mummy.
0:07:00 > 0:07:03Bringing up kids and doing dinners, cleaning the house
0:07:03 > 0:07:06and that's a job we don't get well paid for.
0:07:06 > 0:07:08Give yourself a pat on the back(!)
0:07:08 > 0:07:11- Hold on, Anne-Marie. This- BLEEP- is trying to say something. Hold on.
0:07:11 > 0:07:12Oh, I will let him speak.
0:07:12 > 0:07:14Job well done for what? For being a mother?
0:07:14 > 0:07:17Yeah. And a 24-hour job.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19It's not a nine-to-five job.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21Tell you what, it doesn't look like a 24-hour job now,
0:07:21 > 0:07:23sitting in the house on your backside.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26- They're all at school. - Hang on. Hold on a minute.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29The kids are at school, so when the kids are at school,
0:07:29 > 0:07:32you get your cleaning done. And then, after that...
0:07:32 > 0:07:34You get your dinner ready for them coming in.
0:07:34 > 0:07:35For them coming back in from school.
0:07:35 > 0:07:39Then when they come in from school, you have to become a teacher
0:07:39 > 0:07:41because you have to help them with their homework.
0:07:41 > 0:07:43But, sure, he wouldn't know what it's like.
0:07:43 > 0:07:47There are other people out working who are mothers too,
0:07:47 > 0:07:50and they're able to combine both jobs. And what do you want?
0:07:50 > 0:07:52You want a pat on the back
0:07:52 > 0:07:55while you're sitting there watching daytime TV, listening to me.
0:07:55 > 0:07:56- Aye.- Yeah.
0:07:56 > 0:07:59In our younger days, when I was younger, I was a hairdresser,
0:07:59 > 0:08:00and worked with five kids.
0:08:00 > 0:08:03And I was a stitcher when I worked.
0:08:03 > 0:08:06So there you are now, don't think we've never, ever worked.
0:08:06 > 0:08:10- There's just no jobs now.- I didn't sit on my arse all my fucking life.
0:08:10 > 0:08:13- You sit in your studio... - On his arse!
0:08:13 > 0:08:16..and all you do is let your mouth run off with it.
0:08:16 > 0:08:19- Until you have a child, you can go and- BLEEP.- Aye.
0:08:19 > 0:08:21And here, your mother will be listening to this,
0:08:21 > 0:08:23so she'll not be too pleased with you.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26- You'll get a wee smack on the arse when you go home.- Aye.
0:08:26 > 0:08:31'You drive up through West Belfast, the DLA cars...
0:08:31 > 0:08:33'It's unbelievable, the amount of them.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35'If you go back to the 1970s and 1980s,
0:08:35 > 0:08:39'disabled people drove three-wheeler blue cars.
0:08:39 > 0:08:41'Do you remember this, Stephen?
0:08:41 > 0:08:42'See, if I was in charge of DLA cars,
0:08:42 > 0:08:44'they would get the cheapest car on the market,
0:08:44 > 0:08:47'I would paint the roof black and the bonnet black
0:08:47 > 0:08:49'so that everyone knew that they were a DLA car,
0:08:49 > 0:08:50'and I'll guarantee you
0:08:50 > 0:08:53'the amount of DLA cars on the road would soon diminish.'
0:08:53 > 0:08:56I have fibromyalgia, I'm on DLA,
0:08:56 > 0:08:59and there's an awful lot of people out there that get DLA
0:08:59 > 0:09:01that shouldn't be getting DLA.
0:09:01 > 0:09:04There's a lot of people, there's nothing wrong with them.
0:09:04 > 0:09:05£300 or £400 a month on DLA.
0:09:05 > 0:09:08Well, why would you want to go out and work?
0:09:08 > 0:09:12The way the doctor described my disability is...
0:09:12 > 0:09:16- It's a form of MS.- In the long run, I'm going to end up in a wheelchair.
0:09:16 > 0:09:20I find the ones that get it are the ones that have no embarrassment
0:09:20 > 0:09:24and they've no shame, and they'll say anything. You know?
0:09:24 > 0:09:26Where the genuinely ill people will not say it.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29It's a very humiliating experience for somebody to ask,
0:09:29 > 0:09:32"How far can you walk? Are you incontinent?"
0:09:32 > 0:09:35You know, these are private things that you're suffering with.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37"Do you wee yourself?"
0:09:37 > 0:09:39Aye. They ask you that.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42"If you go out, do you bring a change of clothing with you?"
0:09:42 > 0:09:44And do you get a free car on DLA?
0:09:44 > 0:09:47I have a disability car, yes.
0:09:47 > 0:09:51Because I can't walk that much without using my stick.
0:09:51 > 0:09:52Well, what kind of car have you...?
0:09:52 > 0:09:56- Are you going to head for DLA yourself?- You going to try for DLA?
0:09:56 > 0:09:59You know exactly what some people would say. Some people would say...
0:09:59 > 0:10:02Yes, go, tell me what some people would say.
0:10:02 > 0:10:05Well, some people would say that for them to have a car,
0:10:05 > 0:10:06they've got to go out and work for it.
0:10:06 > 0:10:09And if you look at Marie, she's got one handed to her.
0:10:09 > 0:10:12- But Marie has worked in her days. - I have worked.
0:10:12 > 0:10:15It's later on in life she's got this crippling illness.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18Sure, young people today could be out working
0:10:18 > 0:10:21and you don't know where you're going to end up yourself,
0:10:21 > 0:10:22you know, in years to come.
0:10:22 > 0:10:26If Marie was able to work, Marie would be away, out to work.
0:10:27 > 0:10:28'I do 80 hours a week,
0:10:28 > 0:10:31'and I have no problem with people getting benefits if they need them.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34'There's nothing more degrading than going to the benefit office,
0:10:34 > 0:10:37'like I did, after 25 years of working.
0:10:37 > 0:10:38'They didn't give me a Blue Peter badge.
0:10:38 > 0:10:43'It's, "Here's your money, you're getting £55 a week. Cheerio."'
0:10:43 > 0:10:44Do you think people look down on you
0:10:44 > 0:10:47because you're from a working-class area?
0:10:47 > 0:10:49- Yeah.- How does that make you feel?
0:10:49 > 0:10:51It literally makes you feel like shit.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54It makes you feel as if you're not worth anything.
0:10:54 > 0:10:58And, at the end of the day, you know, people look at me
0:10:58 > 0:11:01and say, "God, she's not sick." But I know I'm sick.
0:11:01 > 0:11:05I know I'm not well. I know what I can do and what I can't do.
0:11:05 > 0:11:08So what do you think people are saying about you?
0:11:08 > 0:11:11Well, other people think they're above people. And if...
0:11:11 > 0:11:15People that have money and have big houses think they are something.
0:11:15 > 0:11:16It's the area they live in.
0:11:16 > 0:11:19But, at the end of the day, they're just human like me.
0:11:19 > 0:11:22People shouldn't look down on other people.
0:11:22 > 0:11:26So, see people saying that I didn't work - I did work.
0:11:26 > 0:11:30I did pay a stamp. So I'm only getting back what I worked.
0:11:30 > 0:11:33- What you've put into society. - What I put into the system.
0:11:33 > 0:11:35MUSIC: Dog Days Are Over by Florence + The Machine
0:11:35 > 0:11:38'It's 9am, it's The Nolan Show on BBC Radio Ulster.
0:11:38 > 0:11:40'And, of course, the role of the programme
0:11:40 > 0:11:43'is to give you at home the chance to have your say.
0:11:43 > 0:11:44'Pick up the phone.'
0:11:44 > 0:11:46Let's see who's on line one.
0:11:46 > 0:11:48'If they want to live in the United Kingdom,
0:11:48 > 0:11:50'they are to uphold our laws.'
0:11:50 > 0:11:52Well, you're going to have to tell me what you mean by that.
0:11:52 > 0:11:55'I'm incensed by what you have said.'
0:11:55 > 0:11:57'I'm really, really thankful to your show for helping me.'
0:11:57 > 0:12:01You took the dirt that he'd thrown out and you smeared it over his car?
0:12:01 > 0:12:02'Yes.'
0:12:02 > 0:12:04You've got to pinch yourself this morning, don't you,
0:12:04 > 0:12:07when you think that Northern Ireland's now national news because of a cake?
0:12:07 > 0:12:10'This is a real good news story for once.'
0:12:10 > 0:12:13Whatever you think, say it on The Nolan Show,
0:12:13 > 0:12:15Monday to Friday at 9am on Radio Ulster
0:12:15 > 0:12:18or @StephenNolan on Twitter.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25Now, a man known as the Naked Rambler
0:12:25 > 0:12:28has had his final appeal to be naked in public
0:12:28 > 0:12:31rejected by the European Court Of Human Rights.
0:12:31 > 0:12:33The ex-Royal Marine, Stephen Gough,
0:12:33 > 0:12:35had argued that his repeated imprisonment
0:12:35 > 0:12:36breached his human rights.
0:12:36 > 0:12:40He's now been in and out of jail for years, but is he doing any harm?
0:12:40 > 0:12:43Should he be allowed to let it all hang out?
0:12:48 > 0:12:51Is there a Naked Rambler? What time does he come out?
0:12:51 > 0:12:53HE LAUGHS
0:12:54 > 0:12:57Done a fair bit of naked rambling, Jan?
0:12:57 > 0:12:59'Eight years in prison for getting his bits out?
0:12:59 > 0:13:01'Wise up, for goodness' sake.
0:13:01 > 0:13:03'We've got to get things into perspective here.
0:13:03 > 0:13:07'I mean, there's all sorts of dirty bad boys running about
0:13:07 > 0:13:09'that aren't doing those sorts of sentences,
0:13:09 > 0:13:11'and there's a man getting eight years.'
0:13:11 > 0:13:15Where is that jail? I'll go there myself and join him.
0:13:15 > 0:13:17SHE LAUGHS
0:13:18 > 0:13:20I don't think he should be allowed to do it.
0:13:20 > 0:13:23No, there is a time and a place for willies.
0:13:23 > 0:13:25And that isn't the time and place!
0:13:25 > 0:13:28And for the likes of holidays, that's different.
0:13:28 > 0:13:33You know, you have nudist beaches. That's different. It's secluded.
0:13:33 > 0:13:36- Tell me this, would you go onto a nudist beach?- Would I?
0:13:36 > 0:13:38Stephen, see, if you've seen what I look like,
0:13:38 > 0:13:42you would know I wouldn't go to a nudist beach. Because...
0:13:42 > 0:13:45They'd be getting Greenpeace in for a beached whale!
0:13:45 > 0:13:47Hang on, Anne-Marie, do you ever look at yourself?
0:13:47 > 0:13:51- Two beached whales!- That's better. Include yourself in that one.
0:13:51 > 0:13:52You're like us, too.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55Sure, why don't we all go down to Newcastle, you, me and Marie,
0:13:55 > 0:13:58and we'll all strip naked and lie on the beach?
0:13:58 > 0:14:00Aye, we'll all be beached whales.
0:14:00 > 0:14:03- And the Greenpeace will come for the three of us.- Yeah.
0:14:03 > 0:14:05He's not doing any harm, Stephen.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08You know, whether you see his bits or not.
0:14:08 > 0:14:11Sure, for God's sake, Stephen, I'm a woman of the world -
0:14:11 > 0:14:14I've seen bits before. All sorts of bits.
0:14:14 > 0:14:18Large bits, small bits, medium bits,
0:14:18 > 0:14:20round-the-corner bits.
0:14:20 > 0:14:21All sorts of bits.
0:14:25 > 0:14:27Now, what about your bits, Stephen?
0:14:30 > 0:14:32No, I haven't had my fair share,
0:14:32 > 0:14:35but do you know how long I've been on my own?
0:14:35 > 0:14:3730 years, boy.
0:14:37 > 0:14:40That would do me the world of good.
0:14:40 > 0:14:44I would be smiling from morning to night.
0:14:44 > 0:14:48THEY LAUGH
0:14:48 > 0:14:50What would you say if he knocked on your door?
0:14:50 > 0:14:53I would say, "Come on in! You're cold!
0:14:53 > 0:14:55"Do you want me to warm that up?"
0:14:57 > 0:15:02Imagine Crawley or Conor Bradford
0:15:02 > 0:15:05running up and down the Armagh Road, you know, nude.
0:15:05 > 0:15:09# Rock me, mama, like a wagon wheel
0:15:09 > 0:15:12# Rock me, mama, any way you feel... #
0:15:12 > 0:15:15They'd be trying to take £50 notes off of you to hide their modesty.
0:15:15 > 0:15:16# Oh, rock me... #
0:15:16 > 0:15:19Oh, we're rocking here in the studio. Whoo!
0:15:19 > 0:15:22I suppose I would do that, you know, myself.
0:15:22 > 0:15:24But not out in public, Stephen!
0:15:24 > 0:15:26Because if I went out in public they'd say,
0:15:26 > 0:15:30"Well, whatever that woman's got, she needs it ironed.
0:15:30 > 0:15:32"Hello, missus, you need to iron that!"
0:15:33 > 0:15:38Radio Face, where the stars of the Nolan radio programme
0:15:38 > 0:15:40get their own TV show.
0:15:45 > 0:15:46'You might wish to stay on and listen...'
0:15:46 > 0:15:47RADIO STATIC
0:15:47 > 0:15:50# Television, the drug of the nation
0:15:50 > 0:15:52# Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
0:15:52 > 0:15:53# On television... #
0:15:53 > 0:15:56Next up, is it time to scrap the BBC licence fee?
0:15:56 > 0:15:59- Do you think you get value for money?- No.
0:15:59 > 0:16:02It's not worth it, because the BBC...
0:16:02 > 0:16:05There's very little on the BBC that you watch.
0:16:05 > 0:16:07And it's all repeats!
0:16:07 > 0:16:08Everything's a repeat on the BBC.
0:16:08 > 0:16:12Yeah, the only thing that Anne-Marie watches is EastEnders.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15- EastEnders.- And that's it. - And I don't even watch BBC Two.
0:16:15 > 0:16:18And then what you have to sit and think about too -
0:16:18 > 0:16:21people that's on Income Support, Jobseeker's,
0:16:21 > 0:16:23why are they getting charged the same price
0:16:23 > 0:16:25as people that are out working?
0:16:25 > 0:16:27That's what I can't fucking understand.
0:16:27 > 0:16:28What were you like before benefits?
0:16:28 > 0:16:31You're sitting there, smoking, with your drink and your TV,
0:16:31 > 0:16:33talking about what you can and can't afford.
0:16:33 > 0:16:35Aye, but we pay for our channels.
0:16:35 > 0:16:37We've got cable in, so we pay for them.
0:16:37 > 0:16:39If I want to smoke, I'll smoke.
0:16:39 > 0:16:40If I want to have a drink, I'll drink.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42If you want to smoke, you'll smoke.
0:16:42 > 0:16:44But don't be crying to me that you can't afford the BBC.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46Here, do you pay your TV licence?
0:16:46 > 0:16:48- Do you pay YOUR licence? - Oh, I pay my licence.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51I pay my licence every fortnight, so I do.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53I tell you what, I will be asking to see.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55I'll be asking to see the receipts of your TV licence fee
0:16:55 > 0:16:57to make sure you are paying for me!
0:16:57 > 0:16:59- Well, I'll tell you something. Go and- BLEEP.
0:16:59 > 0:17:03'What I would like to say is maybe the BBC need to make a few changes.
0:17:03 > 0:17:07'Anybody that's unemployed or on sickness benefits
0:17:07 > 0:17:09'shouldn't pay a TV licence.'
0:17:09 > 0:17:12Stephen, I begrudge paying my licence fee.
0:17:12 > 0:17:14When there's high unemployment,
0:17:14 > 0:17:17you will find people will not pay the licence fee,
0:17:17 > 0:17:23for the simple reason they can't afford £145 out of their benefits.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26And the licence fee van will not go into these areas,
0:17:26 > 0:17:28because it's afraid to go into them.
0:17:28 > 0:17:33But it would come into my area to see if I'm paying the licence fee.
0:17:33 > 0:17:34So it will.
0:17:34 > 0:17:37There's a television at number 69.
0:17:38 > 0:17:40They're watching Radio Face.
0:17:45 > 0:17:47John in Belfast. Morning, John.
0:17:47 > 0:17:48'Hello, Stephen.
0:17:48 > 0:17:52'Stephen, the BBC now has lost the moral high ground.
0:17:52 > 0:17:54'They're now saying that every home...
0:17:54 > 0:17:58'They're trying to push that every home has to pay for a TV licence.
0:17:58 > 0:18:02'And if they don't, they will use anti-terrorism legislation
0:18:02 > 0:18:05'to track them down, take them to court, fine them and possibly...'
0:18:05 > 0:18:09I don't know where you're getting the anti-terrorism legislation from.
0:18:09 > 0:18:11'That's what they use to catch licence fee dodgers.
0:18:11 > 0:18:13'Anti-terrorism legislation.'
0:18:13 > 0:18:15Do you think the BBC is value for money, John?
0:18:15 > 0:18:16'No, I do not.
0:18:16 > 0:18:19'Because all you get is nothing but repeat after repeat after repeat.'
0:18:19 > 0:18:23It's 40p a day for everything on the BBC.
0:18:23 > 0:18:27You think of the breadth of service that you're getting.
0:18:27 > 0:18:34When I see the squander at the BBC, £20,000 a week on taxi fares.
0:18:34 > 0:18:38When I see the lavish hotels that they're staying in
0:18:38 > 0:18:41and the parties that they're having,
0:18:41 > 0:18:43and people like Gary Lineker,
0:18:43 > 0:18:46who's on about £2 million a year...
0:18:47 > 0:18:50..well, that gets up my nose, so it does.
0:18:54 > 0:18:55Is the radio working?
0:18:55 > 0:18:57- No, I don't think so. - Is the football on?
0:18:57 > 0:19:02Why is it so dear, just to watch BBC One or BBC Two?
0:19:02 > 0:19:04Because of the quality you get.
0:19:04 > 0:19:05What quality?
0:19:05 > 0:19:08You get the quality on the TV, not the programme.
0:19:08 > 0:19:11You got a good TV, you get good quality.
0:19:11 > 0:19:12At the end of the day...
0:19:12 > 0:19:15I'm not... I'm talking about the quality of the show!
0:19:15 > 0:19:18We know what you're talking about, so we do.
0:19:18 > 0:19:20Sing along at home with William!
0:19:20 > 0:19:22What do you think, for example...
0:19:22 > 0:19:26Let's talk about close to home - what do you think of Radio Ulster?
0:19:26 > 0:19:27Do you know who I love?
0:19:27 > 0:19:29The wee man from Strabane.
0:19:29 > 0:19:32Love Hugo Duncan.
0:19:32 > 0:19:34We're rocking here in the studio. Whoo!
0:19:34 > 0:19:37# Rock me, mama, like the wind and the rain
0:19:37 > 0:19:40# Rock me, mama, like a southbound train
0:19:40 > 0:19:43# Hey, hey, hey
0:19:43 > 0:19:44# Mama, rock me... #
0:19:44 > 0:19:47Every winter, when the house is full, watching with William.
0:19:47 > 0:19:51Hugo Duncan is the greatest man on Earth and the kindest man.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54- And his music is great. - His music would do your head in!
0:19:54 > 0:19:55No, his music wouldn't do your head in!
0:19:55 > 0:19:58It gives me a lift and gives me a bit of joy.
0:19:58 > 0:20:01If you live on your own like me, and not able to get about much,
0:20:01 > 0:20:03that's what I look forward to.
0:20:03 > 0:20:05It's like a doctor's tonic to me, so it is.
0:20:05 > 0:20:08See, I can't read newspapers or anything like that,
0:20:08 > 0:20:10so it's my oxygen. Keeps me alive.
0:20:12 > 0:20:14Give us a wee dance.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16Lovely stuff!
0:20:18 > 0:20:2440-odd-p a day, what is there to argue about about that? 40p a day.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27- That's...- You're taking it literally. You don't...
0:20:27 > 0:20:30If you don't want to pay for something in this day and age,
0:20:30 > 0:20:32you shouldn't have to be forced to do it.
0:20:32 > 0:20:35Everybody gets those stupid letters, even me gets them.
0:20:35 > 0:20:38I don't think people should have to pay a licence at all.
0:20:38 > 0:20:39At all.
0:20:39 > 0:20:42Well, you listen, for example, to Radio Ulster every morning.
0:20:42 > 0:20:44Well, that doesn't matter. Well, that doesn't matter.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47I have had that radio from before you were born, son.
0:20:47 > 0:20:50ANT LAUGHS
0:20:50 > 0:20:51Just because you've had it for years,
0:20:51 > 0:20:53it doesn't mean you shouldn't pay for it.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56No, no, but that was given to me by a health worker,
0:20:56 > 0:20:58so therefore I was entitled to that radiator.
0:20:58 > 0:21:00"Radiator"!
0:21:00 > 0:21:01Radio. Yes.
0:21:01 > 0:21:03But it's not the radio that you're paying for,
0:21:03 > 0:21:06it's not the instrument. It's the broadcast you're paying for.
0:21:06 > 0:21:07Well, all I listen to is Nolan...
0:21:07 > 0:21:11Morning, noon and night, and even at night, that old 105 thing.
0:21:11 > 0:21:13So I do.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15But the 105 is paid for by advertisers.
0:21:15 > 0:21:18Who's going to pay for the BBC if you're not paying for a licence?
0:21:18 > 0:21:20Well, I shouldn't, because they should advertise a wee bit as well.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23I don't want to be sitting, watching a good show on television
0:21:23 > 0:21:27and then, all of a sudden, he says, "Compare! Go compare! Go compare!
0:21:27 > 0:21:31"Get your nice insurance!" Oh, come on now. Be honest.
0:21:31 > 0:21:32But the BBC advertises its own programmes
0:21:32 > 0:21:35- in between its programmes. - You can't... Well...
0:21:35 > 0:21:38- What's the difference? - You can't watch a good movie on ITV.
0:21:38 > 0:21:41You watch it on ITV - you're watching some great scene,
0:21:41 > 0:21:45the next minute there's some buckin' eejit trying to sell you...
0:21:45 > 0:21:47- He gave you the thumbs up.- What?
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- He gave you the thumbs up, that man. - Did he?
0:21:49 > 0:21:51You were too busy yakking on.
0:21:51 > 0:21:53..trying to sell you insurance or something.
0:21:53 > 0:21:57# Over there, over there
0:21:57 > 0:22:00# Send the word, send the word over there... #
0:22:00 > 0:22:02Do you think the BBC is good quality?
0:22:02 > 0:22:06- No, I think the BBC's rubbish. - A load of rubbish.- Apart from...
0:22:06 > 0:22:08Yes, I have watched your show.
0:22:08 > 0:22:11Your show is good, and it does cover an awful lot of things. But...
0:22:11 > 0:22:13- Licker!- What you do you mean, "licker"?
0:22:13 > 0:22:15- Oh, you're a- BLEEP. BLEEP- off, Anne-Marie!
0:22:15 > 0:22:18- Just because he's on! Licker! - I'm not licking.
0:22:18 > 0:22:20I'm not licking, so I'm not.
0:22:20 > 0:22:24But, at the end of the day, his show does cover things, right?
0:22:24 > 0:22:27His show... There is people on his show that will talk about things
0:22:27 > 0:22:29that don't get said.
0:22:29 > 0:22:31They're only allowed to say a certain amount,
0:22:31 > 0:22:33and then they're edited out or cut out.
0:22:33 > 0:22:36"Oh, you can't say that, it's political incorrect."
0:22:48 > 0:22:51If you've got a story for The Nolan Show,
0:22:51 > 0:22:57the production team behind the scenes are ready to fight your corner.
0:23:03 > 0:23:07You're not going to believe this story. This is a classic, right?
0:23:07 > 0:23:08So here's the thing.
0:23:08 > 0:23:13This woman sees a guy throwing rubbish out of his car window.
0:23:13 > 0:23:17So he's driving along the road doing this, she starts to follow him,
0:23:17 > 0:23:23follows him right to the point where he stops the car, gets out.
0:23:23 > 0:23:25He walks into a shop. What does she do?
0:23:25 > 0:23:28She gets out of the car, lifts up the gravy chips
0:23:28 > 0:23:29that he's bumped out of the window,
0:23:29 > 0:23:32and smears them all over his windscreen.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34You wouldn't believe it!
0:23:34 > 0:23:35'I was waiting for my kids
0:23:35 > 0:23:38'to come out of the movie house in Newtownards and, um...
0:23:38 > 0:23:42'there was four people sitting in a nice, shiny, lovely BMW
0:23:42 > 0:23:43'in front of me.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45'And, as they got out of the car, the lady,
0:23:45 > 0:23:49'she just put her empty carton of food underneath the car.
0:23:49 > 0:23:53'And I just saw a red mist and, um...
0:23:53 > 0:23:56'I got out of the car and I looked in the box,
0:23:56 > 0:23:59'and there was gravy and there was some chips.
0:23:59 > 0:24:02'So I squeezed them all over the windscreen.
0:24:02 > 0:24:06'Yeah, wiped them over the windscreen. And, um...'
0:24:06 > 0:24:08You did what?
0:24:08 > 0:24:09'Yeah, and I felt really good about it!'
0:24:09 > 0:24:11SHE LAUGHS
0:24:11 > 0:24:12So you took the dirt that he'd thrown out
0:24:12 > 0:24:14and you smeared it over his car?
0:24:14 > 0:24:17'Yes, his lovely, shiny BMW.'
0:24:18 > 0:24:21I would say good on her. Good on her, Stephen.
0:24:22 > 0:24:27If I'd seen someone dropping a rubbish chip paper with chips on it
0:24:27 > 0:24:30out of their car, and if I was walking past,
0:24:30 > 0:24:32I'd sit it on their bonnet, so I would.
0:24:32 > 0:24:36The same as these people that... Their dogs fouling outside my house.
0:24:36 > 0:24:38If I caught one, I'd put it in his pocket
0:24:38 > 0:24:40and tell him to take it home with him.
0:24:40 > 0:24:43- You'd put it in his pocket?- I would.
0:24:43 > 0:24:46- You'd put the dog dirt in his pocket? - I would if I could.
0:24:46 > 0:24:48I'd lift it with a paper and put it in his pocket,
0:24:48 > 0:24:51tell him to take it home with him. Take his own dirt home.
0:24:51 > 0:24:53- Ah!- We'll have to get refills.
0:24:53 > 0:24:55- Aye.- You've some in the fridge?
0:24:55 > 0:24:57SHE LAUGHS
0:24:57 > 0:24:59Yeah, all right, Carmel.
0:24:59 > 0:25:01I tell you something.
0:25:01 > 0:25:04If I ever see you throw one wee bit of newspaper out,
0:25:04 > 0:25:06one wee bit of sweetie paper out,
0:25:06 > 0:25:09I'm going to do the same on your motor,
0:25:09 > 0:25:11- see how you like it.- Right.
0:25:11 > 0:25:13Well, you know, Carmel, that will never occur,
0:25:13 > 0:25:15because I'm a law-abiding, tidy citizen.
0:25:15 > 0:25:16- Ach!- So, shut up.
0:25:16 > 0:25:18'This is happening everywhere.
0:25:18 > 0:25:21'They sit in their fancy cars or whatever sort of car they have,
0:25:21 > 0:25:23'and they're eating their chips,
0:25:23 > 0:25:25'and they are throwing chips out that they don't want.'
0:25:25 > 0:25:30'I couldn't believe how lazy and how dirty they were.'
0:25:30 > 0:25:33A BMW driver, too. They had a few bob.
0:25:33 > 0:25:37- What a waste of a good gravy chip, though, mind you!- Well done!
0:25:37 > 0:25:40- I would have done exactly the same. - I can't stand litter louts.
0:25:43 > 0:25:46'If anybody would damage my car,
0:25:46 > 0:25:49'I would actually say that there was criminal damage.'
0:25:49 > 0:25:52Well, you're not damaging the car, for a start.
0:25:52 > 0:25:56That woman never damaged his motor. A bit of water, wash it off!
0:25:56 > 0:25:58- Same thing.- I think she's great!
0:25:58 > 0:26:01I think it is so funny, Bobby!
0:26:01 > 0:26:03What she should have done,
0:26:03 > 0:26:05she should have thrown the stuff in the bin
0:26:05 > 0:26:07and wrote the guy a note, said what she liked to him.
0:26:07 > 0:26:09CARMEL LAUGHS
0:26:09 > 0:26:14Oh, the excitement of it! I would have loved... I would love that.
0:26:14 > 0:26:17The excitement of it, Bobby.
0:26:17 > 0:26:21He was in a public place, and he was making a mess. I can't stand...
0:26:21 > 0:26:25You know what really annoys me? People who roll down their window
0:26:25 > 0:26:30and flick their fag butts out or cans of Coke. Blimmin'... Like...
0:26:30 > 0:26:32They may as well bring their wheelie bin into the back of the car
0:26:32 > 0:26:35- and bump it out, the way they behave.- I have no stomach for it.
0:26:35 > 0:26:36It's disgusting!
0:26:36 > 0:26:40Did you know Stephen Nolan had a Renault Megane with a sunroof on?
0:26:40 > 0:26:42Oh, hello.
0:26:42 > 0:26:47And the car was that dirty, he lifted out tin cans and paper bags
0:26:47 > 0:26:48- and threw them out the car.- Gosh.
0:26:48 > 0:26:51- He should have been jailed! - Oh, it's disgusting.
0:26:51 > 0:26:54One morning, I walked into dog dirt,
0:26:54 > 0:26:57and I came in and it was walked over my carpets in the house.
0:26:57 > 0:27:00- So now I have to walk... - So your dog does its doo-doos too?
0:27:00 > 0:27:03And I've seen it hanging on hedges, so I have.
0:27:03 > 0:27:04I've seen it pushed down drains.
0:27:04 > 0:27:05Hanging on hedges?
0:27:05 > 0:27:08They put it in a bag, but they don't take the bag home with them.
0:27:08 > 0:27:10They hang it on a hedge.
0:27:10 > 0:27:12Hang it on a hedge or push it down the drain.
0:27:12 > 0:27:15We're just a dirty country, that's plain and simple.
0:27:15 > 0:27:17Dirty people in a dirty country.
0:27:17 > 0:27:20Next time on Radio Face...
0:27:20 > 0:27:23Here, see, to be honest with you, if I wore a skirt,
0:27:23 > 0:27:25to be honest, it would be my business, it would be none of yours.
0:27:25 > 0:27:27To be honest with you.
0:27:27 > 0:27:28I'm hoping it covered your business!
0:27:28 > 0:27:31THEY LAUGH
0:27:31 > 0:27:34If you're desperate enough, you will eat anything,
0:27:34 > 0:27:36even your best friend -
0:27:36 > 0:27:39you'd eat his flesh to stay alive, so you would.
0:27:39 > 0:27:41You'd drink your own urine to stay alive.
0:27:41 > 0:27:46I don't like to look at, to be in the presence of...
0:27:46 > 0:27:49someone, a woman, who is wearing a burqa.
0:27:49 > 0:27:51- It's a human being!- It's my choice. I don't like it.
0:27:51 > 0:27:54There is a human being underneath that burqa.
0:27:54 > 0:27:57MLA, do you know what it stands for?
0:27:57 > 0:27:59Member of the Lunatic Asylum.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02Why do you not like Simon Hamilton from the DUP?
0:28:02 > 0:28:07'Well, because, like, whenever he comes on with this beard on him,
0:28:07 > 0:28:10'and these glasses on, and his hair all nicely combed...
0:28:10 > 0:28:14'The man would give you asthma.'
0:28:14 > 0:28:18I've three shih tzus and looking at my wee three shih tzus,
0:28:18 > 0:28:20I don't think I could kill them.
0:28:20 > 0:28:22I'm looking at their wee faces.
0:28:22 > 0:28:24And trying to eat them? Eurgh!
0:28:24 > 0:28:27- No.- Please, no. They shouldn't be doing that.