Episode 5

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:00:36. > :00:41.Hello welcome to The Arts Show. It is our last show of 2012. We're in

:00:41. > :00:46.a festive mood. James Nesbitt talks about his extremely successful

:00:46. > :00:51.stage and screen career and his role in Peter Jackson's cinematic

:00:51. > :00:57.epic, released today, The Hobbit. Northern Irish artist Debarah Brown,

:00:57. > :01:02.a leading figure in the art world since the 60s is a major at the

:01:02. > :01:07.retro sceptic at the F.E McWilliam Gallery. She talks to the art show.

:01:07. > :01:15.There's festive music from the teenager everyone is talking about

:01:15. > :01:19.- Londonderry's singing sensation - Soak. Pantomime theatre has been

:01:19. > :01:25.described as the Marmite of the stage - loved by the public,

:01:25. > :01:30.loathed by critics. The season is once again in full swing, so no

:01:30. > :01:37.better time than to seek a fresh perspective. Theatre historian Mark

:01:37. > :01:47.Phelan is a supporter of what he argues is a major mainstay of the

:01:47. > :01:58.

:01:58. > :02:02.theatrical calendar. Hello, boys It has been seen as crude and

:02:02. > :02:06.commercial. Alfred Tennyson described pantomime as "brainless."

:02:06. > :02:11.George Bernard Shaw found it vulgar. I couldn't disagree more, nor could

:02:11. > :02:17.the punters. Financially speaking, pantomime is no laughing matter.

:02:17. > :02:21.Its popularity means its worth �23 million a year in the UK a year.

:02:21. > :02:24.Without it, many children would not experience the pleasures of live

:02:24. > :02:30.theatre and many theatres themselves could go dark,

:02:30. > :02:36.permanently. They are on the streets..: The cast of Cinderella

:02:36. > :02:43.is performing for over 80 performances in the coming weeks.

:02:43. > :02:49.We are the glamour in town! The fact it is eight weeks of our

:02:49. > :02:54.programme it needs to be financially successful. It brings

:02:54. > :02:57.80,000 people to see it alone. That is 20% of our income and 20% of our

:02:58. > :03:07.audience. That is why it is so important to us. It is a great big

:03:07. > :03:17.driver in sales. We have just sold our �1 million worth of ticks this

:03:17. > :03:18.

:03:18. > :03:22.year. It is big business. -- tickets this year. It is not a

:03:22. > :03:31.musical. It is not a play. It is comedy. It is fun. Everyone is

:03:31. > :03:37.having a great night out. You are a radiator... Not that - you are

:03:37. > :03:47.radiating. You radiate, nap pi rash... Happyness. Oh, Cinderella,

:03:47. > :03:53.

:03:53. > :04:03.everyone I see you I get tied- tongue. I think you mean tongue-

:04:03. > :04:06.

:04:06. > :04:13.tide. It is as traditional asure ki. -- as Turkey. Pantomime has been

:04:13. > :04:19.around for centuries, from Greece to England. The long revolution has

:04:19. > :04:25.led us to a family show, where men in drag play dames in a musical

:04:25. > :04:32.tradition. From Shakespeare to the Roman stage.

:04:32. > :04:36.Where the principal boy is played by a pretty girl and men ogle the

:04:36. > :04:46.shapely legs and tight-fitting trousers, which shows the success

:04:46. > :04:51.

:04:51. > :04:58.of panto. It works on different What is going on here? It sounded

:04:58. > :05:03.like you were all having fun. at the Waterfront Hall, 25,000

:05:03. > :05:07.parents and children will see Sleeping Beauty. Theatre director,

:05:07. > :05:12.Lisa May, is tackling the challenges of this genre for the

:05:12. > :05:16.first time. We're going to go from page 17... I think the exciting

:05:16. > :05:21.thing about panto is finding that balance between the madness and the

:05:21. > :05:25.chaos that is integral to make it work. It is quick and I know it is

:05:25. > :05:35.a bit tricky... It is getting that balance. It is the actors

:05:35. > :05:37.

:05:37. > :05:41.constantly thinking on their feet. There's also where the audience

:05:41. > :05:51.become part of the cast. There's nothing like it for live theatre.

:05:51. > :05:51.

:05:51. > :05:57.It's a great experience! It is an echo of the tumultuous

:05:57. > :06:03.conditions of the 19th century playhouse, when the audience

:06:03. > :06:11.interrupted the actors on stage, hurling abuse and worse. Oh, yes I

:06:11. > :06:21.will... Oh, no you won. It got so bad that actors sometimes performed

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:06:24. > :06:28.behind a net to protect them from The pleasure from pantomime was far

:06:28. > :06:34.beyond the special licence it grants us to misbehave in the

:06:34. > :06:39.theatre. Much of the rich pleasure comes from the form. It is as fixed

:06:39. > :06:44.a tradition as the festive season itself. So, here is to wicked

:06:44. > :06:50.villains, panto dames and principal boys, all in that riot of colour

:06:50. > :06:54.and clamour that comes but once a year!

:06:54. > :06:59.James Nesbitt has had an amazingly successful career, which has seen

:06:59. > :07:04.him work with Paul Greengrass, Michael Winterbottom and Oliver

:07:04. > :07:13.Hirschbiegel. He is constantly challenged himself by having

:07:13. > :07:21.complex and diverse roles from Adam in Cold Feet to Bloody Sunday. An

:07:21. > :07:31.undercover cop in Murphy's Law. Audiences can see him in cinemas

:07:31. > :07:37.

:07:37. > :07:41.today as Bofur the Dwarf in Peter Allow me to inintroduce deuce you...

:07:42. > :07:48.What has it been like as an experience? You are playing a dwarf.

:07:48. > :07:55.One of the dwarfs. I'm Bofur, who is kind of - I am delighted to say

:07:55. > :08:01.is Northern Irish. It is incredible. Nothing could prepare you for it.

:08:01. > :08:09.You asked me to find the 14th member. I have chosen Mr Baggins.

:08:09. > :08:15.got to work with an incredible cast. Ian, at 73 just was the best

:08:15. > :08:19.education I could have had at an important time for me. Just to see

:08:19. > :08:27.him so dedicated to his craft and he was a real inspiration. Many of

:08:27. > :08:32.them like that, Kate Blanchet. do you make of yourself being a

:08:32. > :08:36.Lego person? I was never really into Lego. I love the idea of this

:08:36. > :08:41.being lodged up to noses of kids all over the world. His father was

:08:41. > :08:45.principal of a primary school. It is the hard-working rural heartland

:08:45. > :08:51.of Northern Ireland but has a strong tradition of amateur theatre.

:08:51. > :08:59.James was on stage from the age of # Come on babe

:08:59. > :09:06.# Why don't we paint the town # And all that jazz #

:09:06. > :09:09.I see this gorgeous young boy, 15, 16 years of age, you can see that

:09:09. > :09:15.James Nesbitt sparkle in his eyes. You can see him loving the camera

:09:15. > :09:19.and the camera loving him back. don't know. It is not a bad song we

:09:19. > :09:22.were singing. We were learning a craft there. We were learning

:09:22. > :09:27.different skills, acquiring skills. That is really, I have tried to

:09:27. > :09:32.hold on to that, but you are learning stuff.

:09:32. > :09:35.James started a degree in French, but gave this up to study acting in

:09:36. > :09:43.London. His first small role came within weeks of graduating. It took

:09:44. > :09:49.more than ten years until he achieved household name status in

:09:49. > :09:53.Cold Feet. This was a major one when I was 16. It was so

:09:53. > :09:58.fascinating to watch you playing somebody from Northern Ireland, who

:09:58. > :10:07.had no political baggage. That was my point. I was getting tired

:10:07. > :10:12.myself of the Northern Irish accent and the Northern Irish person. It

:10:13. > :10:18.was only connected to conflict. The families didn't approve. It was a

:10:18. > :10:22.Romeo and Juliet kind of thing. Forbidden love. You cannot fight

:10:22. > :10:29.that. Because you were Protestant and she was Catholic. No, she was

:10:29. > :10:36.my geography teacher. It was written for an English person. I

:10:36. > :10:41.said I have to play this as an Northern Irish person. Did that

:10:41. > :10:46.define you then? I think so. I think so. But you know, that's

:10:46. > :10:49.why, in a way, I went on to different things.

:10:49. > :10:56.With the momentum of Cold Feet behind him, James was able to pick

:10:56. > :11:02.a role that was very different - Protestant civil rights leader Ivan

:11:02. > :11:07.Cooper in Bloody Sunday. A typical question - did that make

:11:07. > :11:13.you feel better able to take on the part because he was Protestant?

:11:13. > :11:19.I just remember, thinking, I've got to do this. I was scared of people

:11:19. > :11:21.from my background feeling I was in some way betraying them. I was also

:11:21. > :11:31.some way betraying them. I was also very scared that national ists in

:11:31. > :11:32.

:11:32. > :11:38.Derry and the families would not -- nationalists in Derry would not

:11:38. > :11:42.appreciate it. When we were filming, I was so immersed in it. Paul was

:11:42. > :11:47.talking in my ear constantly and giving me incredible back-up, but

:11:47. > :11:52.being firm with me. I lost any fears about what people's reactions

:11:52. > :11:56.would be. It was a game-changing performance,

:11:56. > :12:02.underpinned by an important aspect of James's work - research with

:12:03. > :12:08.real people N this case, the real Ivan Cooper. He had not done the

:12:08. > :12:13.march since the day. We did it. We went around, just the two of us. It

:12:13. > :12:19.was brilliant. It was an incredible help to me. It was very helpful of

:12:19. > :12:24.him. He presented me with just the most enormous amount of literature.

:12:25. > :12:28.I had to read everything, all the literature from the past. I had to

:12:28. > :12:38.literature from the past. I had to be completely immersed in it.

:12:38. > :12:41.D five minutes ago I was at the bar. Him here, no way back in. Murphy's

:12:41. > :12:49.Law had been fuelled by James's success in Cold Feet.

:12:49. > :12:54.But, by series three, he insisted on changes to his character. You

:12:54. > :13:00.showed a man capable of extreme violence. That was a shocking thing

:13:00. > :13:04.for people who thought they knew you and the roles you had

:13:04. > :13:09.previously embraced. Was it a liberation? That's a good question.

:13:09. > :13:15.Did I consciously want to beat someone up on camera? Probably not

:13:15. > :13:25.I went hand in hand with the part. Yes, it felt like - you are right -

:13:25. > :13:31.

:13:31. > :13:36.It felt - of course this is what I do. I am an actor. I am supposed to

:13:36. > :13:41.do something different here. Minutes of Heaven won a string of

:13:41. > :13:48.awards and saw him appear alongside Liam Neeson. It is a fiction, but

:13:48. > :13:53.one inspired by real events. It imagines an encounter between

:13:53. > :14:03.Gabrielle Giffords and the UVF man who killed his brother. For James

:14:03. > :14:04.

:14:04. > :14:08.meeting -- Mr Griffins and the UVF man who killed his brother.

:14:08. > :14:14.don't we take a few moments ago. have been up and down the stairs. I

:14:14. > :14:21.will meet him. I want to meet him. I taped him for five hours. I would

:14:21. > :14:26.speak to him a lot. What are you looking at then? You are not going

:14:26. > :14:31.to do an imitation of him. What he's thinking when he is quiet?

:14:31. > :14:41.Then he's off again. You know? He did that a lot. Also just, you are

:14:41. > :14:46.

:14:46. > :14:56.looking at a lot of the pain in his It's not your typical Hollywood

:14:56. > :15:03.fight scene. It is messy and awkward... Liam Neeson said it

:15:03. > :15:10.should be messy, I have lent, hard to watch. That's his Fve Minutes of

:15:10. > :15:18.Heaven. He doesn't even get that. It feels to me that you've had a

:15:18. > :15:21.very long journey in becoming an actor. 25 years of being an

:15:21. > :15:28.overnight success. Why were you never satisfied with one particular

:15:28. > :15:35.part? Because it is my job. That does hark back to, you know, my

:15:35. > :15:40.work ethic. Right from the moment I get a script, or from the moment of

:15:40. > :15:44.an idea, I am consumed with, you know the construction of a part,

:15:44. > :15:51.the construction of that character's identity, his

:15:51. > :15:56.background, how they move, how they sound, the way they listen. It is

:15:56. > :16:01.absolutely what I hope will define me and continue to define me.

:16:01. > :16:06.there ever a sense that because you did not follow your dad down the

:16:06. > :16:11.road of education and become that French teacher there has been a

:16:11. > :16:15.guilt over the years? That is probably very true, because the

:16:15. > :16:21.notion of anything of money and fame and all that comes with that,

:16:21. > :16:28.I think there's certainly been a lot of guilt. I probably spent 25

:16:28. > :16:32.years of... Playing Bofur the Dwarf in The Hobbit has only been the

:16:32. > :16:42.latest sharp corner turn James has made. Part of a relentless series

:16:42. > :16:43.

:16:43. > :16:52.of challenges he's taken on. wrote for travel mags... They are

:16:52. > :16:59.doing the work. And loving what they do. The Way took James to a

:16:59. > :17:07.Hollywood audience. He brought something of county Antrim. You are

:17:07. > :17:14.walking along with the stick. You swing that stick quite well. As I

:17:14. > :17:20.say, I grew up and there was not much else to do. They thought, hey

:17:20. > :17:28.a marching band. They were like, "I love that!" I am blessed with what

:17:28. > :17:38.I do. I hope it continues. That seems a fitting end. Thank you very

:17:38. > :17:39.

:17:39. > :17:42.And you can see James Nesbitt's full interview in an art show in

:17:42. > :17:47.conversation special on 28th February.

:17:47. > :17:51.Now, sculptor and artist Debarah Brown is counted among Northern

:17:51. > :17:59.Ireland's leading art figures. Trained in Dublin as a painter she

:17:59. > :18:03.returned to Belfast for most of her career, where her work evolved into

:18:03. > :18:06.three-dimensional form. Famous for exploring glass fibre, she has

:18:06. > :18:14.achieved extensive international fame. Now in her 80s and creating,

:18:14. > :18:24.she is the subject of a majorette introduce speckive which has just

:18:24. > :18:26.

:18:26. > :18:33.opened at the F.E McWilliam Gallery. The art show met up with her.

:18:33. > :18:43.I'm constantly looking for forms and shapes and lines.

:18:43. > :18:44.

:18:44. > :18:50.Almost like a composure, striking notes on the piano.

:18:50. > :18:57.Put some shapes down and then work from that, make a whole piece. Form

:18:57. > :19:02.is not there - to my mind it will not be interesting. You want to

:19:02. > :19:06.recreate the thing into sculptural terms. Form is not there just to be

:19:06. > :19:11.a copy, but there's still the problem of becoming a work of art

:19:11. > :19:21.or not. I like that because I think the

:19:21. > :19:30.

:19:30. > :19:36.more you struggle with it, the D I started as a painter and

:19:36. > :19:46.trained as a painter. Gradually eI started to build up from the

:19:46. > :19:47.

:19:47. > :19:53.surface and build up with paper match they. -- papier mache. It was

:19:53. > :19:57.not permanent - you could not put it outside easily. I decided to

:19:57. > :20:04.cast one or two bits in bronze. Once you cast in bronze, it's very

:20:04. > :20:13.hard to go back to any other medium, because it's a nice, very nice

:20:13. > :20:22.result. At least you hope it's nice. The way it reflects light - you can

:20:22. > :20:30.buff it up, tone it down. I just like doing big things. They give

:20:31. > :20:40.you scope to sort of let light hit them and get different sort of

:20:41. > :20:42.

:20:42. > :20:49.tones into bronze and so on. It was the image of those sheep

:20:49. > :20:57.coming along the road and the man taller than they were - making him

:20:57. > :21:02.upright and that shape coming towards me.

:21:02. > :21:08.It does not do to put it on too thick at first. I've always loved

:21:08. > :21:13.animals. I used to go and help the farmer. I

:21:14. > :21:18.used to feed the pigs. I liked the pigs. They are nice animals. They

:21:18. > :21:22.are very friendly and nice. Even when I was a painter I always had

:21:22. > :21:30.to paint what I knew - the landscape I knew. It's just the

:21:30. > :21:38.same with sculpture. There's no use in doing that with something you

:21:38. > :21:44.don't know. I'm 85-year-old now. I suppose I

:21:44. > :21:53.have - should have - some experience behind me.

:21:53. > :21:59.I've learnt from the faults and successes I've had over the years.

:21:59. > :22:03.I think the exhibition in Banbridge will probably be my last one-man

:22:03. > :22:12.show. I can't see myself doing another one. You say that sort of

:22:12. > :22:17.thing and then you do it. I don't suppose I'll ever give up

:22:17. > :22:24.until physically I have to give up. It's just something you love to do

:22:24. > :22:29.and there it is, you know - I have to make it.

:22:29. > :22:35.I haven't decided yet what the next thing will be, but there will be

:22:35. > :22:41.something. Of course the pig isn't finished yet.

:22:41. > :22:43.What an amazing lady and that exhibition runs until 2nd March at

:22:43. > :22:49.the F.E McWilliam Gallery in Banbridge. Now, with his tips on

:22:49. > :22:55.what's not to miss in the music world over the holiday season

:22:55. > :23:04.here's Ralph. This is the story of the

:23:04. > :23:08.Proclaimers, released in 1997. They continue to play with Celtic

:23:08. > :23:13.passion. Trust me, you have not lived until you have had a sing-

:23:13. > :23:18.along with the band. It is quite an experience. You can sample it for

:23:18. > :23:24.yoursz at the Limelight in Belfast on Saturday night. Saturday sees

:23:24. > :23:28.the return of Mumford and Sons to these shores.

:23:28. > :23:33.2012 has been a great day for them. If you have not been lucky enough

:23:33. > :23:37.to get a ticket, well I am afraid, you are out of luck. It is sold out

:23:37. > :23:40.if you are going down to the gig, get there early for a great

:23:41. > :23:47.seasonal treat. If you wonder why I am always going

:23:47. > :23:51.on about what amazing young musicalal lapbt we have in this

:23:51. > :23:58.country, -- musical al lapbt we have in this country, it is because

:23:58. > :24:02.it is true. Fresh, poppy and with more shiny

:24:03. > :24:08.hooks than at a fisherman's convention this is one gig not to

:24:08. > :24:18.miss. As former front-man of the Frames

:24:18. > :24:24.and one half of the Oscar-winning - Glenn has han an amaze career. Do

:24:24. > :24:29.yourself a favour and go and see him on Sunday night.

:24:29. > :24:35.Ricky Warwick has been in the revived Thin Lizzie. Now that

:24:35. > :24:40.project has been put to bed, he's out on the solo road. I have seen

:24:40. > :24:44.him sing a few times. His voice pins you to the back wall n the

:24:44. > :24:54.nicest possible way. Finally, looking ahead into the New

:24:54. > :24:57.

:24:57. > :25:04.Year, there's a chance to celebrate Derry's City of Culture status -

:25:04. > :25:08.they will kick-start an incredible year, with a gig on the 11st

:25:08. > :25:13.January. Go along and support local musical if you can. Thank you. That

:25:13. > :25:19.is almost it for tonight. The art show will be back on 24th January,

:25:19. > :25:24.when we will be in Derry, Londonderry, as it begins its

:25:24. > :25:34.inaugural Year of the City of Culture. You can keep up-to-date on

:25:34. > :25:36.

:25:36. > :25:40.BBC Radio Ulster Arts Extra. We leave with some music. At 16 Soak

:25:40. > :25:46.is the name on everyone's lips. Having first picked up a guitar

:25:46. > :25:50.only a few years ago, she has released two EPs Trains and Sea

:25:50. > :25:58.Creatures, which have attracted huge industry attention and Radio

:25:58. > :26:04.One air-play. She plays support to Snow Patrol in the Waterfront Hall

:26:04. > :26:10.and will play on 20th January. Joined my her father and younger

:26:10. > :26:20.brother, she gives the art show an exclusive, festive performance.

:26:20. > :26:25.

:26:25. > :26:35.# We're walking in the air # We're floating in the moon-lit

:26:35. > :26:41.

:26:41. > :26:50.# The people far below # I'm holding very tight

:26:50. > :27:00.# I'm riding in the midnight moon # I'm finding I can fly

:27:00. > :27:05.

:27:06. > :27:15.# So high # The villages go by

:27:16. > :27:16.

:27:17. > :27:23.# The rivers and the hills # The forests and the streams

:27:23. > :27:33.# Children gaze open-mouthed # Taken by surprise

:27:33. > :27:35.

:27:35. > :27:45.# Nobody down below # Believes their eyes

:27:45. > :27:46.

:27:46. > :27:53.# We're surfing in the air # We're swimming in the frozen sky

:27:53. > :28:03.# We're drifting over ice and mountains floating by

:28:03. > :28:11.

:28:11. > :28:14.# Suddenly swooping low # On an ocean deep