:00:00. > :00:10.This programme contains strong language and scenes which some
:00:10. > :00:33.
:00:33. > :00:35.language and scenes which some James Nesbitt is one of Northern
:00:35. > :00:37.James Nesbitt is one of Northern Ireland's best-known actors. Agenda
:00:37. > :00:38.Ireland's best-known actors. Agenda Ireland's best-known actors. Agenda
:00:38. > :00:39.and a leading man. Raised in and a leading man. Raised in
:00:39. > :00:41.and a leading man. Raised in Broughshane in County Antrim, his
:00:41. > :00:42.Broughshane in County Antrim, his Broughshane in County Antrim, his
:00:42. > :00:44.name provides plenty of star power name provides plenty of star power
:00:44. > :00:49.name provides plenty of star power to fuel hit drama series from
:00:49. > :00:51.to fuel hit drama series from Jekyll... Occupation... And Munro...
:00:51. > :00:53.Jekyll... Occupation... And Munro... Jekyll... Occupation... And Munro...
:00:53. > :00:54.He has appeared in films by He has appeared in films by
:00:54. > :00:58.He has appeared in films by renowned directors such as Michael
:00:58. > :01:01.renowned directors such as Michael Winterbottom, Paul Greengrass.
:01:01. > :01:02.Winterbottom, Paul Greengrass. James Nesbitt is instantly
:01:02. > :01:03.James Nesbitt is instantly James Nesbitt is instantly
:01:03. > :01:05.recognisable but he is constantly recognisable but he is constantly
:01:05. > :01:08.challenging himself by choosing challenging himself by choosing
:01:08. > :01:10.diverse roles and complex diverse roles and complex
:01:10. > :01:12.diverse roles and complex characters. From the charming at an
:01:12. > :01:13.characters. From the charming at an characters. From the charming at an
:01:13. > :01:17.in Cold Feet... To an aggressive in Cold Feet... To an aggressive
:01:17. > :01:18.in Cold Feet... To an aggressive undercover cop in Murphy's Law. We
:01:18. > :01:19.undercover cop in Murphy's Law. We undercover cop in Murphy's Law. We
:01:19. > :01:21.filmed James Nesbitt in Coleraine filmed James Nesbitt in Coleraine
:01:21. > :01:22.filmed James Nesbitt in Coleraine filmed James Nesbitt in Coleraine
:01:22. > :01:22.when he was there in Israel as when he was there in Israel as
:01:22. > :01:23.when he was there in Israel as Chancellor of the University of
:01:23. > :01:24.Chancellor of the University of Chancellor of the University of
:01:24. > :01:24.Chancellor of the University of Ulster and he revealed how much he
:01:25. > :01:27.Ulster and he revealed how much he Ulster and he revealed how much he
:01:27. > :01:28.misses Northern Ireland by not year. misses Northern Ireland by not year.
:01:28. > :01:29.misses Northern Ireland by not year. misses Northern Ireland by not year.
:01:29. > :01:30.His work now takes him around the His work now takes him around the
:01:30. > :01:30.His work now takes him around the His work now takes him around the
:01:31. > :01:33.world and he is best known to a world and he is best known to a
:01:33. > :01:34.world and he is best known to a world and he is best known to a
:01:34. > :01:35.global audience as a dwarf in Peter global audience as a dwarf in Peter
:01:35. > :01:36.global audience as a dwarf in Peter Jackson's epic prequel to the Lord
:01:36. > :01:46.Jackson's epic prequel to the Lord Jackson's epic prequel to the Lord
:01:46. > :01:47.Of the Rings trilogy, The Hobbit. Of the Rings trilogy, The Hobbit.
:01:47. > :01:53.Of the Rings trilogy, The Hobbit. Incineration? I will melt the flesh
:01:53. > :01:57.Incineration? I will melt the flesh Incineration? I will melt the flesh
:01:57. > :01:59.Incineration? I will melt the flesh off your bones. I feel faint. I
:01:59. > :02:02.off your bones. I feel faint. I off your bones. I feel faint. I
:02:02. > :02:02.need some air. Flash of light, need some air. Flash of light,
:02:02. > :02:04.need some air. Flash of light, searing pain. And you're nothing
:02:04. > :02:05.searing pain. And you're nothing searing pain. And you're nothing
:02:05. > :02:11.searing pain. And you're nothing more than a pile of ash. What was
:02:11. > :02:12.more than a pile of ash. What was more than a pile of ash. What was
:02:12. > :02:14.more than a pile of ash. What was that like? Yes, I am delighted to
:02:14. > :02:15.that like? Yes, I am delighted to that like? Yes, I am delighted to
:02:15. > :02:17.that like? Yes, I am delighted to say he is Northern Irish, touch of
:02:17. > :02:18.say he is Northern Irish, touch of say he is Northern Irish, touch of
:02:18. > :02:19.Ballymena. Of course, the epic Ballymena. Of course, the epic
:02:19. > :02:21.Ballymena. Of course, the epic nature was incredible, nothing can
:02:21. > :02:21.nature was incredible, nothing can nature was incredible, nothing can
:02:21. > :02:22.nature was incredible, nothing can prepare you for this. It they have
:02:22. > :02:24.prepare you for this. It they have prepare you for this. It they have
:02:24. > :02:25.prepare you for this. It they have created such a look at the Zurich,
:02:25. > :02:27.created such a look at the Zurich, created such a look at the Zurich,
:02:27. > :02:28.created such a look at the Zurich, it is going to blow people away.
:02:28. > :02:30.it is going to blow people away. it is going to blow people away.
:02:30. > :02:32.Brilliant to work with Peter, an Brilliant to work with Peter, an
:02:32. > :02:36.incredibly down-to-earth genius. incredibly down-to-earth genius.
:02:36. > :02:40.incredibly down-to-earth genius. Down to Middle Earth. And an
:02:40. > :02:41.Down to Middle Earth. And an Down to Middle Earth. And an
:02:41. > :02:42.incredible cast, Ian McKellen, 73, incredible cast, Ian McKellen, 73,
:02:42. > :02:43.incredible cast, Ian McKellen, 73, incredible cast, Ian McKellen, 73,
:02:43. > :02:46.the best education I could have had. the best education I could have had.
:02:46. > :02:48.the best education I could have had. the best education I could have had.
:02:48. > :02:49.At an important time, as I myself At an important time, as I myself
:02:49. > :02:50.At an important time, as I myself At an important time, as I myself
:02:50. > :02:51.am heading into the edge of middle am heading into the edge of middle
:02:51. > :02:52.am heading into the edge of middle am heading into the edge of middle
:02:52. > :02:55.age. Just to see him so dedicated age. Just to see him so dedicated
:02:55. > :02:57.age. Just to see him so dedicated age. Just to see him so dedicated
:02:57. > :02:58.to his craft. To see the discipline to his craft. To see the discipline
:02:58. > :02:59.to his craft. To see the discipline and the inventiveness and it was
:03:00. > :03:02.and the inventiveness and it was and the inventiveness and it was
:03:02. > :03:03.just wonderful and he was an just wonderful and he was an
:03:03. > :03:08.inspiration. And Cate Blanchett, inspiration. And Cate Blanchett,
:03:08. > :03:09.inspiration. And Cate Blanchett, inspiration. And Cate Blanchett,
:03:09. > :03:11.many of them... What about Lego?I many of them... What about Lego?I
:03:11. > :03:13.many of them... What about Lego?I many of them... What about Lego?I
:03:13. > :03:15.was never into this. But I love was never into this. But I love
:03:15. > :03:16.was never into this. But I love these children, taking off my hat
:03:16. > :03:17.these children, taking off my hat these children, taking off my hat
:03:17. > :03:19.these children, taking off my hat and this going up the noses of
:03:19. > :03:22.and this going up the noses of and this going up the noses of
:03:22. > :03:23.children around the world. And children around the world. And
:03:23. > :03:24.children around the world. And history will show, if interested,
:03:24. > :03:25.history will show, if interested, history will show, if interested,
:03:25. > :03:30.history will show, if interested, history will show, if interested,
:03:30. > :03:30.but I was one of the awards in The but I was one of the awards in The
:03:30. > :03:31.but I was one of the awards in The Hobbit. We are in a television
:03:31. > :03:32.Hobbit. We are in a television Hobbit. We are in a television
:03:32. > :03:34.studio at the University of Ulster studio at the University of Ulster
:03:34. > :03:37.studio at the University of Ulster in Coleraine and you are the
:03:37. > :03:38.in Coleraine and you are the in Coleraine and you are the
:03:38. > :03:39.Chancellor, pretty fancy? I come Chancellor, pretty fancy? I come
:03:39. > :03:40.Chancellor, pretty fancy? I come from a background in education and
:03:40. > :03:42.from a background in education and from a background in education and
:03:42. > :03:43.it is something I take seriously it is something I take seriously
:03:43. > :03:45.it is something I take seriously it is something I take seriously
:03:45. > :03:47.and I have been on a whistle-stop and I have been on a whistle-stop
:03:47. > :03:49.tour, seeing the incredible tour, seeing the incredible
:03:49. > :03:51.tour, seeing the incredible research and teaching. When I come
:03:51. > :03:54.research and teaching. When I come research and teaching. When I come
:03:54. > :03:54.here, everybody calls me Chancellor. here, everybody calls me Chancellor.
:03:54. > :04:00.here, everybody calls me Chancellor. I think they're calling me to
:04:01. > :04:03.I think they're calling me to I think they're calling me to
:04:03. > :04:04.answer! -- chances. James was answer! -- chances. James was
:04:04. > :04:04.answer! -- chances. James was raised in Broughshane in the hard-
:04:04. > :04:08.raised in Broughshane in the hard- working heartland of northern
:04:08. > :04:08.working heartland of northern working heartland of northern
:04:08. > :04:09.Ireland. His family moved to Ireland. His family moved to
:04:09. > :04:11.Ireland. His family moved to Ireland. His family moved to
:04:11. > :04:12.Cumbrian and at 14 he made his Cumbrian and at 14 he made his
:04:12. > :04:13.Cumbrian and at 14 he made his first appearance on stage in all
:04:13. > :04:15.first appearance on stage in all first appearance on stage in all
:04:15. > :04:16.over at the Riverside Theatre. over at the Riverside Theatre.
:04:16. > :04:19.over at the Riverside Theatre. played the part of the artful
:04:19. > :04:20.played the part of the artful played the part of the artful
:04:20. > :04:22.played the part of the artful Dodger. Why am I not surprised?For
:04:22. > :04:24.Dodger. Why am I not surprised?For Dodger. Why am I not surprised?For
:04:24. > :04:27.Dodger. Why am I not surprised?For it was a great production. And Mark
:04:27. > :04:28.it was a great production. And Mark it was a great production. And Mark
:04:28. > :04:30.Carruthers was Oliver Twist. Why am Carruthers was Oliver Twist. Why am
:04:30. > :04:31.Carruthers was Oliver Twist. Why am Carruthers was Oliver Twist. Why am
:04:31. > :04:32.I not surprised? At that stage it I not surprised? At that stage it
:04:32. > :04:33.I not surprised? At that stage it I not surprised? At that stage it
:04:33. > :04:37.was a good way of getting off was a good way of getting off
:04:37. > :04:38.was a good way of getting off school but in retrospect, it opened
:04:38. > :04:38.school but in retrospect, it opened school but in retrospect, it opened
:04:38. > :04:40.school but in retrospect, it opened what turned out to be quite an
:04:40. > :04:42.what turned out to be quite an what turned out to be quite an
:04:42. > :04:43.important and magical door for me. important and magical door for me.
:04:43. > :04:44.Enter something that would Enter something that would
:04:44. > :04:48.Enter something that would eventually become my vocation but
:04:48. > :04:49.eventually become my vocation but eventually become my vocation but
:04:49. > :04:55.eventually become my vocation but it just felt... Like coming home at
:04:55. > :04:59.it just felt... Like coming home at it just felt... Like coming home at
:04:59. > :05:04.it just felt... Like coming home at an early stage. And all that jazz!
:05:04. > :05:06.an early stage. And all that jazz! an early stage. And all that jazz!
:05:06. > :05:09.Good posture! Oh, God! Gorgeous Good posture! Oh, God! Gorgeous
:05:09. > :05:09.Good posture! Oh, God! Gorgeous Good posture! Oh, God! Gorgeous
:05:09. > :05:11.young boy, 16 years old. But you young boy, 16 years old. But you
:05:11. > :05:12.young boy, 16 years old. But you young boy, 16 years old. But you
:05:12. > :05:14.can see that sparkle in Your eyes. can see that sparkle in Your eyes.
:05:14. > :05:14.can see that sparkle in Your eyes. You can see him absolutely loving
:05:14. > :05:17.You can see him absolutely loving You can see him absolutely loving
:05:17. > :05:17.the camera and the camera loving the camera and the camera loving
:05:18. > :05:21.the camera and the camera loving the camera and the camera loving
:05:21. > :05:22.him. That was not a bad song. It's him. That was not a bad song. It's
:05:22. > :05:24.him. That was not a bad song. It's interesting to see that we were
:05:24. > :05:26.interesting to see that we were learning the craft, learning
:05:26. > :05:27.learning the craft, learning learning the craft, learning
:05:27. > :05:28.different skills. And that is different skills. And that is
:05:28. > :05:29.different skills. And that is different skills. And that is
:05:29. > :05:39.really, I have tried to hold on to really, I have tried to hold on to
:05:39. > :05:39.
:05:39. > :05:44.really, I have tried to hold on to that. Still learning. Postal order?
:05:44. > :05:45.that. Still learning. Postal order? that. Still learning. Postal order?
:05:45. > :05:48.that. Still learning. Postal order? Yes. Cash? I suggest cash was the
:05:49. > :05:49.Yes. Cash? I suggest cash was the Yes. Cash? I suggest cash was the
:05:50. > :05:53.truth. They in his mid-teens, James truth. They in his mid-teens, James
:05:53. > :05:54.truth. They in his mid-teens, James truth. They in his mid-teens, James
:05:54. > :05:57.saw an old film on television. The saw an old film on television. The
:05:57. > :05:58.saw an old film on television. The Winslow Boy. And its star give
:05:58. > :05:59.Winslow Boy. And its star give Winslow Boy. And its star give
:05:59. > :05:59.Adams of the possibilities that Adams of the possibilities that
:05:59. > :06:04.Adams of the possibilities that acting offered in this pivotal
:06:04. > :06:04.acting offered in this pivotal acting offered in this pivotal
:06:05. > :06:06.scene. I was absolutely captivated scene. I was absolutely captivated
:06:06. > :06:08.scene. I was absolutely captivated and remember seeing this for the
:06:08. > :06:08.and remember seeing this for the and remember seeing this for the
:06:08. > :06:11.first time, this was something that first time, this was something that
:06:11. > :06:11.first time, this was something that first time, this was something that
:06:11. > :06:15.I was seduced by. The ability to I was seduced by. The ability to
:06:15. > :06:18.I was seduced by. The ability to have the authority, to be truthful
:06:18. > :06:20.have the authority, to be truthful playing this real-life character.
:06:20. > :06:22.playing this real-life character. playing this real-life character.
:06:22. > :06:23.Based on Edward Carson, who Based on Edward Carson, who
:06:23. > :06:27.Based on Edward Carson, who defended this young boy. He was
:06:27. > :06:29.defended this young boy. He was defended this young boy. He was
:06:29. > :06:30.accused of stealing. But his accused of stealing. But his
:06:30. > :06:31.accused of stealing. But his performance, I just remember as
:06:31. > :06:32.performance, I just remember as performance, I just remember as
:06:32. > :06:34.performance, I just remember as being something that I wanted to be
:06:34. > :06:35.being something that I wanted to be being something that I wanted to be
:06:36. > :06:37.being something that I wanted to be part of but I was struck by the
:06:37. > :06:41.part of but I was struck by the part of but I was struck by the
:06:41. > :06:43.part of but I was struck by the power of the film. I could see the
:06:43. > :06:47.power of the film. I could see the power of the film. I could see the
:06:47. > :06:49.power of writing. And film. And power of writing. And film. And
:06:49. > :06:50.power of writing. And film. And performance. The time has come to
:06:50. > :06:53.performance. The time has come to performance. The time has come to
:06:53. > :06:54.undo some of that mystery... By undo some of that mystery... By
:06:54. > :06:57.undo some of that mystery... By confessing that you are a forger,
:06:57. > :06:58.confessing that you are a forger, confessing that you are a forger,
:06:58. > :06:59.confessing that you are a forger, confessing that you are a forger,
:06:59. > :07:00.liar and a thief. I do not do it. liar and a thief. I do not do it.
:07:00. > :07:01.liar and a thief. I do not do it. liar and a thief. I do not do it.
:07:01. > :07:03.There was a major hurdle that James There was a major hurdle that James
:07:03. > :07:04.There was a major hurdle that James There was a major hurdle that James
:07:04. > :07:06.had to overcome. A came from a had to overcome. A came from a
:07:06. > :07:08.had to overcome. A came from a family of teachers. By father and
:07:08. > :07:10.family of teachers. By father and family of teachers. By father and
:07:10. > :07:11.my three sisters. Back career in my three sisters. Back career in
:07:11. > :07:12.my three sisters. Back career in theatre would have been frowned
:07:12. > :07:13.theatre would have been frowned theatre would have been frowned
:07:13. > :07:15.upon so I believed subconsciously upon so I believed subconsciously
:07:15. > :07:16.upon so I believed subconsciously that. I started my degree in
:07:16. > :07:17.that. I started my degree in that. I started my degree in
:07:17. > :07:18.Jordanstown, with the idea of Jordanstown, with the idea of
:07:18. > :07:20.Jordanstown, with the idea of Jordanstown, with the idea of
:07:20. > :07:21.becoming a French teacher but I was becoming a French teacher but I was
:07:21. > :07:23.becoming a French teacher but I was very rarely coming to college, I
:07:23. > :07:24.very rarely coming to college, I very rarely coming to college, I
:07:24. > :07:25.very rarely coming to college, I had about Equity card, which I got
:07:25. > :07:26.had about Equity card, which I got had about Equity card, which I got
:07:26. > :07:27.had about Equity card, which I got at the Riverside Theatre and I was
:07:27. > :07:28.at the Riverside Theatre and I was at the Riverside Theatre and I was
:07:28. > :07:30.working with the Ulster actors at working with the Ulster actors at
:07:30. > :07:31.working with the Ulster actors at the Arts Theatre and eventually I
:07:31. > :07:33.the Arts Theatre and eventually I the Arts Theatre and eventually I
:07:33. > :07:36.decided that I just could not decided that I just could not
:07:36. > :07:38.decided that I just could not decided that I just could not
:07:38. > :07:39.resist the calling. It was like a resist the calling. It was like a
:07:39. > :07:40.resist the calling. It was like a resist the calling. It was like a
:07:40. > :07:41.vocation? It was, but I was not vocation? It was, but I was not
:07:41. > :07:42.vocation? It was, but I was not vocation? It was, but I was not
:07:42. > :07:45.addressing this as such but I could addressing this as such but I could
:07:45. > :07:47.addressing this as such but I could addressing this as such but I could
:07:47. > :07:47.not... I just couldn't go on. Very not... I just couldn't go on. Very
:07:48. > :07:49.not... I just couldn't go on. Very courageously, I bought my sister in
:07:49. > :07:49.courageously, I bought my sister in courageously, I bought my sister in
:07:49. > :07:50.courageously, I bought my sister in the morning and told them during my
:07:50. > :07:51.the morning and told them during my the morning and told them during my
:07:51. > :07:55.the morning and told them during my parents and tell them that I was
:07:55. > :07:58.parents and tell them that I was parents and tell them that I was
:07:58. > :07:59.giving up. A response?My mother giving up. A response?My mother
:07:59. > :08:00.giving up. A response?My mother giving up. A response?My mother
:08:00. > :08:00.was horrified. They came up to see was horrified. They came up to see
:08:00. > :08:01.was horrified. They came up to see was horrified. They came up to see
:08:01. > :08:02.me in Belfast and my mother sat in me in Belfast and my mother sat in
:08:02. > :08:03.me in Belfast and my mother sat in me in Belfast and my mother sat in
:08:03. > :08:04.the car. I said to my father, I the car. I said to my father, I
:08:04. > :08:05.the car. I said to my father, I the car. I said to my father, I
:08:05. > :08:08.the car. I said to my father, I wanted to give it a shot and he was
:08:08. > :08:09.wanted to give it a shot and he was brilliant. Incredibly supportive. I
:08:09. > :08:09.brilliant. Incredibly supportive. I brilliant. Incredibly supportive. I
:08:09. > :08:12.brilliant. Incredibly supportive. I was the only boy and the baby but
:08:12. > :08:13.was the only boy and the baby but was the only boy and the baby but
:08:13. > :08:14.was the only boy and the baby but he said OK. The 43 years, James
:08:14. > :08:15.he said OK. The 43 years, James he said OK. The 43 years, James
:08:15. > :08:17.studied at the Central School of studied at the Central School of
:08:18. > :08:18.studied at the Central School of studied at the Central School of
:08:18. > :08:19.Speech and Drama in London. He got Speech and Drama in London. He got
:08:19. > :08:20.Speech and Drama in London. He got his first small television role
:08:20. > :08:21.his first small television role his first small television role
:08:21. > :08:23.within weeks of graduating and within weeks of graduating and
:08:23. > :08:25.within weeks of graduating and began learning the skills of a
:08:25. > :08:26.began learning the skills of a began learning the skills of a
:08:26. > :08:28.professional actor. Years of hard professional actor. Years of hard
:08:28. > :08:29.professional actor. Years of hard professional actor. Years of hard
:08:29. > :08:31.work paid off. But one drama series work paid off. But one drama series
:08:31. > :08:35.work paid off. But one drama series made James into a household name.
:08:35. > :08:36.made James into a household name. made James into a household name.
:08:36. > :08:38.made James into a household name. Cold Feet. This was a major one
:08:38. > :08:40.Cold Feet. This was a major one Cold Feet. This was a major one
:08:40. > :08:43.Cold Feet. This was a major one when I was 16. Lovely Sarah. We
:08:43. > :08:44.when I was 16. Lovely Sarah. We when I was 16. Lovely Sarah. We
:08:44. > :08:45.when I was 16. Lovely Sarah. We didn't work out. There was too much
:08:45. > :08:48.didn't work out. There was too much didn't work out. There was too much
:08:48. > :08:48.against us. Our families did not against us. Our families did not
:08:48. > :08:51.against us. Our families did not approve, or the community. Romeo
:08:51. > :08:53.approve, or the community. Romeo approve, or the community. Romeo
:08:53. > :08:55.and Juliet. The it was fascinating and Juliet. The it was fascinating
:08:55. > :08:56.and Juliet. The it was fascinating to watch you playing somebody from
:08:56. > :08:58.to watch you playing somebody from to watch you playing somebody from
:08:58. > :08:59.Northern Ireland who had no Northern Ireland who had no
:08:59. > :09:00.Northern Ireland who had no political baggage? That was my
:09:00. > :09:03.political baggage? That was my political baggage? That was my
:09:03. > :09:04.point, by absolute point. I point, by absolute point. I
:09:04. > :09:07.point, by absolute point. I remember feeling that. Because I
:09:07. > :09:09.remember feeling that. Because I remember feeling that. Because I
:09:09. > :09:10.was getting tied myself with the was getting tied myself with the
:09:10. > :09:11.was getting tied myself with the Northern Irish accent and the
:09:11. > :09:12.Northern Irish accent and the Northern Irish person, being
:09:12. > :09:16.Northern Irish person, being Northern Irish person, being
:09:16. > :09:17.perceived in the UK, in Britain, perceived in the UK, in Britain,
:09:17. > :09:18.perceived in the UK, in Britain, but also globally with this
:09:18. > :09:20.but also globally with this but also globally with this
:09:20. > :09:21.negative plays and the accent was negative plays and the accent was
:09:21. > :09:25.negative plays and the accent was only connected to either a
:09:25. > :09:26.only connected to either a political commentary or conflict.
:09:26. > :09:29.political commentary or conflict. political commentary or conflict.
:09:29. > :09:30.You're cannot fight bigotry like You're cannot fight bigotry like
:09:30. > :09:32.You're cannot fight bigotry like that. You're Protestant and she was
:09:32. > :09:35.that. You're Protestant and she was that. You're Protestant and she was
:09:35. > :09:36.Catholic? No, she was my geography Catholic? No, she was my geography
:09:36. > :09:37.Catholic? No, she was my geography teacher. It was written for an
:09:37. > :09:38.teacher. It was written for an teacher. It was written for an
:09:38. > :09:39.teacher. It was written for an English person, I said I have to
:09:39. > :09:40.English person, I said I have to English person, I said I have to
:09:40. > :09:42.play this Northern Irish and they play this Northern Irish and they
:09:42. > :09:44.play this Northern Irish and they play this Northern Irish and they
:09:44. > :09:49.did not know me from Adam. I was did not know me from Adam. I was
:09:49. > :09:49.did not know me from Adam. I was proud of that. I introduced that
:09:49. > :09:52.proud of that. I introduced that proud of that. I introduced that
:09:52. > :09:53.accent where it did not have accent where it did not have
:09:53. > :09:55.accent where it did not have separate connotations. Did that to
:09:55. > :09:55.separate connotations. Did that to separate connotations. Did that to
:09:55. > :09:57.separate connotations. Did that to find you? Did people say, that is
:09:57. > :10:01.find you? Did people say, that is find you? Did people say, that is
:10:01. > :10:04.James Nesbitt? The Northern Irish James Nesbitt? The Northern Irish
:10:04. > :10:05.James Nesbitt? The Northern Irish James Nesbitt? The Northern Irish
:10:05. > :10:08.accent? I think so. But that is why accent? I think so. But that is why
:10:08. > :10:11.accent? I think so. But that is why accent? I think so. But that is why
:10:11. > :10:12.I went on to different things. The I went on to different things. The
:10:12. > :10:12.I went on to different things. The I went on to different things. The
:10:12. > :10:14.move back! The success of Cold Feet move back! The success of Cold Feet
:10:14. > :10:15.move back! The success of Cold Feet move back! The success of Cold Feet
:10:15. > :10:16.led to James being offered the lead led to James being offered the lead
:10:16. > :10:16.led to James being offered the lead led to James being offered the lead
:10:16. > :10:17.in a major film for television and in a major film for television and
:10:17. > :10:27.in a major film for television and it could not have been more
:10:27. > :10:32.
:10:32. > :10:33.it could not have been more it could not have been more
:10:33. > :10:34.different. Get down!Let's go to different. Get down!Let's go to
:10:34. > :10:35.different. Get down!Let's go to different. Get down!Let's go to
:10:35. > :10:37.the role that you be described as a the role that you be described as a
:10:37. > :10:38.the role that you be described as a the role that you be described as a
:10:38. > :10:39.turning point in your life. It is a turning point in your life. It is a
:10:39. > :10:43.turning point in your life. It is a film directed by Paul Greengrass.
:10:43. > :10:45.film directed by Paul Greengrass. film directed by Paul Greengrass.
:10:45. > :10:47.Bloody Sunday. My memory was hazy. Bloody Sunday. My memory was hazy.
:10:47. > :10:47.Bloody Sunday. My memory was hazy. I remember learning about it
:10:47. > :10:48.I remember learning about it I remember learning about it
:10:48. > :10:49.briefly at Coleraine Inst but I briefly at Coleraine Inst but I
:10:49. > :10:51.briefly at Coleraine Inst but I probably thought it did not concern
:10:51. > :10:53.probably thought it did not concern probably thought it did not concern
:10:53. > :10:54.probably thought it did not concern me. And there was that sense that
:10:54. > :10:55.me. And there was that sense that me. And there was that sense that
:10:55. > :10:57.before the Saville Inquiry and before the Saville Inquiry and
:10:57. > :10:59.before the Saville Inquiry and before Cameron giving the public
:10:59. > :11:00.before Cameron giving the public before Cameron giving the public
:11:00. > :11:03.apology, that they were guilty? apology, that they were guilty?
:11:03. > :11:05.apology, that they were guilty? These different sides. I was not
:11:05. > :11:06.These different sides. I was not These different sides. I was not
:11:06. > :11:09.thinking, I did not concern myself thinking, I did not concern myself
:11:09. > :11:10.thinking, I did not concern myself with that. I think sometimes,
:11:10. > :11:11.with that. I think sometimes, with that. I think sometimes,
:11:11. > :11:12.slightly unfairly, it has been slightly unfairly, it has been
:11:12. > :11:14.slightly unfairly, it has been attributed to my side that everyone
:11:14. > :11:14.attributed to my side that everyone attributed to my side that everyone
:11:14. > :11:16.thought they were guilty, that thought they were guilty, that
:11:16. > :11:17.thought they were guilty, that isn't necessarily the case. A lot
:11:17. > :11:19.isn't necessarily the case. A lot isn't necessarily the case. A lot
:11:19. > :11:20.isn't necessarily the case. A lot of us close to our minds to this.
:11:20. > :11:22.of us close to our minds to this. of us close to our minds to this.
:11:22. > :11:23.James played Ivan Cooper, the James played Ivan Cooper, the
:11:23. > :11:33.James played Ivan Cooper, the Stormont MP and Protestant civil
:11:33. > :11:34.
:11:34. > :11:35.Stormont MP and Protestant civil Stormont MP and Protestant civil
:11:35. > :11:37.rights campaigner. It is a typical rights campaigner. It is a typical
:11:37. > :11:37.rights campaigner. It is a typical rights campaigner. It is a typical
:11:37. > :11:38.question but did that make you feel question but did that make you feel
:11:38. > :11:39.question but did that make you feel question but did that make you feel
:11:39. > :11:41.better able to take on the part, better able to take on the part,
:11:41. > :11:43.better able to take on the part, because he was Protestant? No, I
:11:43. > :11:44.because he was Protestant? No, I because he was Protestant? No, I
:11:44. > :11:44.because he was Protestant? No, I thought I had to do this but
:11:44. > :11:46.thought I had to do this but thought I had to do this but
:11:46. > :11:47.unquestionably I was scared of what unquestionably I was scared of what
:11:47. > :11:47.unquestionably I was scared of what unquestionably I was scared of what
:11:47. > :11:51.my family we think and the impact my family we think and the impact
:11:51. > :11:52.my family we think and the impact on them, what friends would think
:11:52. > :11:55.on them, what friends would think on them, what friends would think
:11:55. > :11:56.and misrepresenting people from my and misrepresenting people from my
:11:56. > :11:57.and misrepresenting people from my background. People feeling that I
:11:57. > :11:58.background. People feeling that I background. People feeling that I
:11:58. > :12:01.background. People feeling that I was in some way betraying them. And
:12:01. > :12:01.was in some way betraying them. And was in some way betraying them. And
:12:01. > :12:03.was also very scared that was also very scared that
:12:03. > :12:04.was also very scared that nationalists in Derry and the
:12:04. > :12:05.nationalists in Derry and the nationalists in Derry and the
:12:05. > :12:06.families would not appreciate the families would not appreciate the
:12:06. > :12:07.families would not appreciate the families would not appreciate the
:12:07. > :12:09.idea of Ivan Cooper being at the idea of Ivan Cooper being at the
:12:09. > :12:10.idea of Ivan Cooper being at the idea of Ivan Cooper being at the
:12:10. > :12:11.centre of it, but also this pot as centre of it, but also this pot as
:12:11. > :12:16.centre of it, but also this pot as an actor from Coleraine, what would
:12:16. > :12:17.an actor from Coleraine, what would an actor from Coleraine, what would
:12:17. > :12:20.he know? -- Protestant. Bloody he know? -- Protestant. Bloody
:12:20. > :12:21.he know? -- Protestant. Bloody Sunday was a game changing
:12:21. > :12:22.Sunday was a game changing Sunday was a game changing
:12:22. > :12:24.performance, one underpinned by an performance, one underpinned by an
:12:24. > :12:25.performance, one underpinned by an important aspect of James's work.
:12:25. > :12:26.important aspect of James's work. important aspect of James's work.
:12:26. > :12:30.Research with real people. In this Research with real people. In this
:12:30. > :12:31.Research with real people. In this Research with real people. In this
:12:31. > :12:35.case, the real Ivan Cooper. I met case, the real Ivan Cooper. I met
:12:35. > :12:38.case, the real Ivan Cooper. I met 10 and he was fascinating. Bright,
:12:38. > :12:39.10 and he was fascinating. Bright, erudite, passionate politician. But
:12:39. > :12:40.erudite, passionate politician. But erudite, passionate politician. But
:12:40. > :12:43.certainly who had been destroyed. certainly who had been destroyed.
:12:43. > :12:43.certainly who had been destroyed. certainly who had been destroyed.
:12:43. > :12:45.He felt culpable. He very much said He felt culpable. He very much said
:12:46. > :12:47.He felt culpable. He very much said He felt culpable. He very much said
:12:47. > :12:48.they had to March, they had to get they had to March, they had to get
:12:48. > :12:50.they had to March, they had to get they had to March, they had to get
:12:50. > :12:50.out on that day, there had been out on that day, there had been
:12:51. > :12:53.out on that day, there had been out on that day, there had been
:12:53. > :12:54.successes but it was a very big successes but it was a very big
:12:54. > :12:56.successes but it was a very big issue. Internment. He was adamant
:12:56. > :12:57.issue. Internment. He was adamant issue. Internment. He was adamant
:12:57. > :12:58.issue. Internment. He was adamant they had to March. He talked for a
:12:58. > :12:59.they had to March. He talked for a they had to March. He talked for a
:12:59. > :13:00.long time, talking me through what long time, talking me through what
:13:00. > :13:02.long time, talking me through what long time, talking me through what
:13:02. > :13:03.Derry was like at the time and I Derry was like at the time and I
:13:03. > :13:04.Derry was like at the time and I Derry was like at the time and I
:13:04. > :13:05.had to read all the what the state had to read all the what the state
:13:05. > :13:05.had to read all the what the state but. Everything that was presented
:13:06. > :13:07.but. Everything that was presented but. Everything that was presented
:13:07. > :13:08.but. Everything that was presented to the inquiry in those early days,
:13:08. > :13:09.to the inquiry in those early days, to the inquiry in those early days,
:13:10. > :13:10.to the inquiry in those early days, all the literature from the past, I
:13:10. > :13:12.all the literature from the past, I all the literature from the past, I
:13:12. > :13:13.had to be completely immersed. And had to be completely immersed. And
:13:13. > :13:14.had to be completely immersed. And had to be completely immersed. And
:13:14. > :13:16.he had not done a march since that he had not done a march since that
:13:16. > :13:17.he had not done a march since that he had not done a march since that
:13:17. > :13:18.he had not done a march since that day so we did that, that two of us.
:13:18. > :13:20.day so we did that, that two of us. day so we did that, that two of us.
:13:20. > :13:21.day so we did that, that two of us. And it was brilliant, it was an
:13:21. > :13:21.And it was brilliant, it was an And it was brilliant, it was an
:13:22. > :13:22.incredible help for me and very incredible help for me and very
:13:22. > :13:25.incredible help for me and very incredible help for me and very
:13:25. > :13:26.courageous of him but it was an courageous of him but it was an
:13:26. > :13:27.courageous of him but it was an important exorcism for Ivan Cooper.
:13:27. > :13:28.important exorcism for Ivan Cooper. important exorcism for Ivan Cooper.
:13:28. > :13:37.important exorcism for Ivan Cooper. That is what you would describe it
:13:37. > :13:38.That is what you would describe it That is what you would describe it
:13:38. > :13:39.That is what you would describe it as? It taught me a lot about acting,
:13:39. > :13:43.as? It taught me a lot about acting, as? It taught me a lot about acting,
:13:43. > :13:45.as? It taught me a lot about acting, a lot about where I come from.
:13:45. > :13:46.a lot about where I come from. a lot about where I come from.
:13:46. > :13:47.do get death threats? There were do get death threats? There were
:13:47. > :13:48.do get death threats? There were do get death threats? There were
:13:48. > :13:49.odd bits of stuff you get through odd bits of stuff you get through
:13:49. > :13:51.odd bits of stuff you get through the papers but I understand if
:13:51. > :13:52.the papers but I understand if the papers but I understand if
:13:53. > :13:54.people get angry, people thought, people get angry, people thought,
:13:54. > :13:56.people get angry, people thought, typical, here he comes along, doing
:13:56. > :13:57.typical, here he comes along, doing typical, here he comes along, doing
:13:57. > :13:59.typical, here he comes along, doing well, doing a film about their side.
:13:59. > :14:00.well, doing a film about their side. well, doing a film about their side.
:14:00. > :14:00.well, doing a film about their side. I felt very strongly and I continue
:14:01. > :14:01.I felt very strongly and I continue I felt very strongly and I continue
:14:01. > :14:03.to feel strongly there are stories to feel strongly there are stories
:14:03. > :14:04.to feel strongly there are stories to feel strongly there are stories
:14:04. > :14:05.to be told but this was as true to be told but this was as true
:14:05. > :14:06.to be told but this was as true that affected everybody and I think
:14:06. > :14:08.that affected everybody and I think that affected everybody and I think
:14:08. > :14:09.that hopefully, what we did without that hopefully, what we did without
:14:09. > :14:10.that hopefully, what we did without that hopefully, what we did without
:14:10. > :14:20.that hopefully, what we did without film was show that it was as much a
:14:20. > :14:23.
:14:23. > :14:27.film was show that it was as much a Now I'm here looking like a fucking
:14:27. > :14:28.Now I'm here looking like a fucking Now I'm here looking like a fucking
:14:28. > :14:30.idiot. Murphy's Law gave him idiot. Murphy's Law gave him
:14:30. > :14:31.idiot. Murphy's Law gave him idiot. Murphy's Law gave him
:14:31. > :14:32.another lead role. He played a man another lead role. He played a man
:14:32. > :14:33.another lead role. He played a man another lead role. He played a man
:14:33. > :14:35.tormented by the things he had seen tormented by the things he had seen
:14:35. > :14:36.tormented by the things he had seen tormented by the things he had seen
:14:36. > :14:37.and took James to new territory. By and took James to new territory. By
:14:37. > :14:39.and took James to new territory. By and took James to new territory. By
:14:39. > :14:42.a series three, he wanted to push a series three, he wanted to push
:14:42. > :14:44.a series three, he wanted to push things further. I felt there was
:14:44. > :14:45.things further. I felt there was things further. I felt there was
:14:45. > :14:46.room to navigate, take a different room to navigate, take a different
:14:46. > :14:48.room to navigate, take a different room to navigate, take a different
:14:48. > :14:49.route up for me and for the show. route up for me and for the show.
:14:49. > :14:51.route up for me and for the show. route up for me and for the show.
:14:51. > :14:52.You also showed a man capable of You also showed a man capable of
:14:52. > :14:54.You also showed a man capable of extreme violence. And that was a
:14:54. > :14:54.extreme violence. And that was a extreme violence. And that was a
:14:54. > :14:55.shocking thing for people who shocking thing for people who
:14:55. > :14:58.shocking thing for people who thought they knew James Nesbitt the
:14:58. > :15:00.thought they knew James Nesbitt the thought they knew James Nesbitt the
:15:00. > :15:04.actor. Was that her liberation? actor. Was that her liberation?
:15:05. > :15:06.actor. Was that her liberation? actor. Was that her liberation?
:15:06. > :15:07.That is a good question. Did I That is a good question. Did I
:15:07. > :15:09.That is a good question. Did I consciously want to beat someone up
:15:09. > :15:10.consciously want to beat someone up consciously want to beat someone up
:15:10. > :15:12.consciously want to beat someone up on camera? Probably not but it went
:15:12. > :15:16.on camera? Probably not but it went on camera? Probably not but it went
:15:16. > :15:17.hand-in-hand with the part. It felt hand-in-hand with the part. It felt
:15:17. > :15:19.hand-in-hand with the part. It felt like... Actually, it was a
:15:19. > :15:20.like... Actually, it was a like... Actually, it was a
:15:20. > :15:21.liberation. Absolutely right for us liberation. Absolutely right for us
:15:21. > :15:22.liberation. Absolutely right for us liberation. Absolutely right for us
:15:22. > :15:23.but because you didn't have to be but because you didn't have to be
:15:23. > :15:33.but because you didn't have to be but because you didn't have to be
:15:33. > :15:41.
:15:41. > :15:43.that spot key person, with a cheeky Again drawing on someone else's
:15:43. > :15:44.Again drawing on someone else's real-life experiences allowed James
:15:44. > :15:44.real-life experiences allowed James real-life experiences allowed James
:15:45. > :15:47.real-life experiences allowed James to take his performance to a new
:15:47. > :15:48.to take his performance to a new to take his performance to a new
:15:48. > :15:51.to take his performance to a new level. We engage the services of an
:15:51. > :15:52.level. We engage the services of an level. We engage the services of an
:15:52. > :15:53.undercover cop. He defined that undercover cop. He defined that
:15:53. > :15:54.undercover cop. He defined that undercover cop. He defined that
:15:54. > :15:57.role. He was pretty harsh with me. role. He was pretty harsh with me.
:15:57. > :15:59.role. He was pretty harsh with me. role. He was pretty harsh with me.
:15:59. > :16:00.In what way? He would take me In what way? He would take me
:16:00. > :16:04.In what way? He would take me In what way? He would take me
:16:04. > :16:06.various places, he would talk a lot various places, he would talk a lot
:16:06. > :16:08.various places, he would talk a lot about his past, he was constantly
:16:08. > :16:10.about his past, he was constantly about his past, he was constantly
:16:10. > :16:10.about his past, he was constantly bending my ear. We went out to a
:16:10. > :16:11.bending my ear. We went out to a bending my ear. We went out to a
:16:11. > :16:12.bending my ear. We went out to a couple of double -- dodgy areas and
:16:12. > :16:14.couple of double -- dodgy areas and couple of double -- dodgy areas and
:16:14. > :16:16.couple of double -- dodgy areas and he told me how to watch, he would
:16:16. > :16:17.he told me how to watch, he would he told me how to watch, he would
:16:17. > :16:19.be marking different things, he was be marking different things, he was
:16:19. > :16:21.be marking different things, he was forlorn. You could have been
:16:21. > :16:25.forlorn. You could have been forlorn. You could have been
:16:25. > :16:26.pigeon-holed as Adam of Cold Feet. pigeon-holed as Adam of Cold Feet.
:16:26. > :16:27.pigeon-holed as Adam of Cold Feet. pigeon-holed as Adam of Cold Feet.
:16:27. > :16:28.Definitely. I am an actor, I am Definitely. I am an actor, I am
:16:28. > :16:29.Definitely. I am an actor, I am supposed to do something different.
:16:29. > :16:31.supposed to do something different. supposed to do something different.
:16:31. > :16:33.supposed to do something different. It is the most important quality an
:16:33. > :16:35.It is the most important quality an It is the most important quality an
:16:35. > :16:36.actor should have. That appetite actor should have. That appetite
:16:36. > :16:39.actor should have. That appetite for that interest, for that
:16:39. > :16:41.for that interest, for that for that interest, for that
:16:41. > :16:42.challenge, the fear about the challenge, the fear about the
:16:42. > :16:45.complicated jigsaw, pulling it complicated jigsaw, pulling it
:16:45. > :16:45.complicated jigsaw, pulling it complicated jigsaw, pulling it
:16:45. > :16:48.apart. That is my job, I didn't do apart. That is my job, I didn't do
:16:48. > :16:49.apart. That is my job, I didn't do it to be famous. Inevitably, his
:16:49. > :16:50.it to be famous. Inevitably, his it to be famous. Inevitably, his
:16:50. > :16:51.high profile work has dictated he high profile work has dictated he
:16:51. > :16:52.high profile work has dictated he high profile work has dictated he
:16:52. > :16:54.moved away from the place he loves. moved away from the place he loves.
:16:54. > :16:55.moved away from the place he loves. moved away from the place he loves.
:16:55. > :16:57.moved away from the place he loves. I am happy to be a way. But I just
:16:57. > :16:58.I am happy to be a way. But I just I am happy to be a way. But I just
:16:58. > :17:00.miss Northern Ireland because that miss Northern Ireland because that
:17:00. > :17:05.miss Northern Ireland because that miss Northern Ireland because that
:17:05. > :17:05.is where I am happiest. To this day, is where I am happiest. To this day,
:17:05. > :17:06.is where I am happiest. To this day, is where I am happiest. To this day,
:17:06. > :17:07.I still yearn for the North of I still yearn for the North of
:17:07. > :17:09.I still yearn for the North of violent, probably hanker for it. I
:17:09. > :17:10.violent, probably hanker for it. I violent, probably hanker for it. I
:17:10. > :17:11.was concerned about having taught was concerned about having taught
:17:11. > :17:12.was concerned about having taught was concerned about having taught
:17:12. > :17:13.us and them being in some way us and them being in some way
:17:13. > :17:14.us and them being in some way imbued with a sense of Northern
:17:14. > :17:15.imbued with a sense of Northern imbued with a sense of Northern
:17:15. > :17:16.imbued with a sense of Northern Irish nurse and I've done that, but
:17:16. > :17:18.Irish nurse and I've done that, but Irish nurse and I've done that, but
:17:18. > :17:19.they don't want to live here they don't want to live here
:17:19. > :17:21.they don't want to live here because their life is in England.
:17:21. > :17:21.because their life is in England. because their life is in England.
:17:21. > :17:24.Are they aware of how important Are they aware of how important
:17:24. > :17:28.Are they aware of how important Northern Ireland is to you? Yes.
:17:28. > :17:29.Northern Ireland is to you? Yes. Northern Ireland is to you? Yes.
:17:29. > :17:31.They know. They know all the They know. They know all the
:17:31. > :17:32.traditional songs. Percy French. traditional songs. Percy French.
:17:32. > :17:34.traditional songs. Percy French. traditional songs. Percy French.
:17:34. > :17:36.You are not teaching them that, are You are not teaching them that, are
:17:36. > :17:37.you? Absolutely!Northern Ireland you? Absolutely!Northern Ireland
:17:37. > :17:38.you? Absolutely!Northern Ireland you? Absolutely!Northern Ireland
:17:38. > :17:41.in all its beauty and tragedy is in all its beauty and tragedy is
:17:41. > :17:42.in all its beauty and tragedy is still a huge inspiration. Five
:17:42. > :17:43.still a huge inspiration. Five still a huge inspiration. Five
:17:43. > :17:45.still a huge inspiration. Five Minutes of Heaven won a string of
:17:45. > :17:46.Minutes of Heaven won a string of Minutes of Heaven won a string of
:17:46. > :17:47.awards and saw James appearing awards and saw James appearing
:17:47. > :17:49.awards and saw James appearing alongside another actor from County
:17:49. > :17:50.alongside another actor from County alongside another actor from County
:17:50. > :17:51.alongside another actor from County Antrim - Liam Neeson. The film is a
:17:52. > :17:56.Antrim - Liam Neeson. The film is a Antrim - Liam Neeson. The film is a
:17:56. > :17:57.fiction but one inspired by real fiction but one inspired by real
:17:57. > :17:59.fiction but one inspired by real events. J Gryphon, who witnessed
:17:59. > :18:01.events. J Gryphon, who witnessed his 17-year-old brother being
:18:01. > :18:08.his 17-year-old brother being his 17-year-old brother being
:18:08. > :18:09.murdered through the living room murdered through the living room
:18:09. > :18:12.murdered through the living room window. The perpetrator was caught,
:18:12. > :18:13.window. The perpetrator was caught, window. The perpetrator was caught,
:18:13. > :18:14.window. The perpetrator was caught, he served his time. Joe had his
:18:14. > :18:15.he served his time. Joe had his he served his time. Joe had his
:18:15. > :18:16.life falling apart. His mother life falling apart. His mother
:18:16. > :18:17.life falling apart. His mother life falling apart. His mother
:18:17. > :18:18.blamed him for the rest of his life. blamed him for the rest of his life.
:18:18. > :18:19.blamed him for the rest of his life. Five Minutes of Heaven was an
:18:19. > :18:20.Five Minutes of Heaven was an Five Minutes of Heaven was an
:18:20. > :18:22.exploration of the emotions of exploration of the emotions of
:18:22. > :18:23.exploration of the emotions of these two men with the writer
:18:23. > :18:24.these two men with the writer these two men with the writer
:18:24. > :18:27.imagining what could have happened imagining what could have happened
:18:27. > :18:27.imagining what could have happened imagining what could have happened
:18:28. > :18:29.if they had met. For James, a if they had met. For James, a
:18:29. > :18:30.if they had met. For James, a meeting the real person behind the
:18:30. > :18:34.meeting the real person behind the meeting the real person behind the
:18:34. > :18:35.screenplay was once again key to screenplay was once again key to
:18:35. > :18:36.screenplay was once again key to his performance. He created this
:18:36. > :18:38.his performance. He created this his performance. He created this
:18:38. > :18:39.character on the page which was character on the page which was
:18:39. > :18:40.character on the page which was character on the page which was
:18:40. > :18:42.unbelievable so I went down to meet unbelievable so I went down to meet
:18:42. > :18:43.unbelievable so I went down to meet unbelievable so I went down to meet
:18:44. > :18:44.Joe. He was a whirlwind, angry. I Joe. He was a whirlwind, angry. I
:18:44. > :18:46.Joe. He was a whirlwind, angry. I said, tell me what happened that
:18:46. > :18:47.said, tell me what happened that said, tell me what happened that
:18:47. > :18:48.night. Tell me what happened in night. Tell me what happened in
:18:48. > :18:51.night. Tell me what happened in night. Tell me what happened in
:18:51. > :18:52.your life. He was up and down, your life. He was up and down,
:18:52. > :18:53.your life. He was up and down, your life. He was up and down,
:18:53. > :18:56.anger. But at his court, you could anger. But at his court, you could
:18:56. > :18:59.anger. But at his court, you could see this brilliant man, very funny,
:18:59. > :19:00.see this brilliant man, very funny, see this brilliant man, very funny,
:19:00. > :19:02.uneducated, but bright, but whose uneducated, but bright, but whose
:19:02. > :19:03.uneducated, but bright, but whose life had been destroyed. He then
:19:03. > :19:04.life had been destroyed. He then life had been destroyed. He then
:19:04. > :19:07.life had been destroyed. He then has to trust you, though. There was
:19:07. > :19:08.has to trust you, though. There was has to trust you, though. There was
:19:08. > :19:09.has to trust you, though. There was a discussion about that. I spend a
:19:09. > :19:10.a discussion about that. I spend a a discussion about that. I spend a
:19:10. > :19:14.a discussion about that. I spend a lot of time with him. That was the
:19:14. > :19:16.lot of time with him. That was the part I enjoyed most.
:19:16. > :19:17.part I enjoyed most. part I enjoyed most.
:19:17. > :19:19.part I enjoyed most. I don't want the camera their.
:19:19. > :19:20.I don't want the camera their. I don't want the camera their.
:19:20. > :19:21.I don't want the camera their. know, it gets some getting used to.
:19:21. > :19:23.know, it gets some getting used to. know, it gets some getting used to.
:19:23. > :19:24.know, it gets some getting used to. There is a scene where you get out
:19:24. > :19:25.There is a scene where you get out There is a scene where you get out
:19:25. > :19:27.There is a scene where you get out of the TV shoot and you can feel
:19:27. > :19:28.of the TV shoot and you can feel of the TV shoot and you can feel
:19:28. > :19:29.the rage. Is that remembering that the rage. Is that remembering that
:19:29. > :19:31.the rage. Is that remembering that the rage. Is that remembering that
:19:31. > :19:32.the rage. Is that remembering that a meeting with Joe? I talk to him a
:19:32. > :19:33.a meeting with Joe? I talk to him a a meeting with Joe? I talk to him a
:19:33. > :19:34.a meeting with Joe? I talk to him a lot, but I take him for five hours.
:19:34. > :19:35.lot, but I take him for five hours. lot, but I take him for five hours.
:19:35. > :19:35.lot, but I take him for five hours. lot, but I take him for five hours.
:19:36. > :19:38.I would speak to him a lot and I I would speak to him a lot and I
:19:38. > :19:39.I would speak to him a lot and I I would speak to him a lot and I
:19:39. > :19:40.would meet with him. Joe, we are would meet with him. Joe, we are
:19:40. > :19:41.would meet with him. Joe, we are would meet with him. Joe, we are
:19:41. > :19:42.going to be a few minutes setting going to be a few minutes setting
:19:42. > :19:44.going to be a few minutes setting going to be a few minutes setting
:19:44. > :19:45.up anyway. Why don't you go up the up anyway. Why don't you go up the
:19:45. > :19:47.up anyway. Why don't you go up the up anyway. Why don't you go up the
:19:47. > :19:49.stairs? I want to meet him! But I stairs? I want to meet him! But I
:19:49. > :19:52.stairs? I want to meet him! But I don't want the camera! I understand
:19:52. > :19:55.don't want the camera! I understand don't want the camera! I understand
:19:55. > :19:56.don't want the camera! I understand that. Joe, what we can do is...
:19:56. > :19:58.that. Joe, what we can do is... that. Joe, what we can do is...
:19:58. > :20:00.that. Joe, what we can do is... What are you looking at when you
:20:00. > :20:00.What are you looking at when you What are you looking at when you
:20:00. > :20:04.were recording him? We're going to were recording him? We're going to
:20:04. > :20:05.were recording him? We're going to do an imitation? Know. You are
:20:05. > :20:07.do an imitation? Know. You are looking at physical characteristics.
:20:07. > :20:08.looking at physical characteristics. looking at physical characteristics.
:20:08. > :20:10.looking at physical characteristics. You are looking at the moments when
:20:10. > :20:11.You are looking at the moments when You are looking at the moments when
:20:11. > :20:12.You are looking at the moments when he is quiet. What is he thinking
:20:12. > :20:14.he is quiet. What is he thinking he is quiet. What is he thinking
:20:14. > :20:16.he is quiet. What is he thinking when he is quiet. And then he is
:20:16. > :20:17.when he is quiet. And then he is when he is quiet. And then he is
:20:17. > :20:18.when he is quiet. And then he is off again. And you are looking at
:20:18. > :20:22.off again. And you are looking at off again. And you are looking at
:20:22. > :20:24.off again. And you are looking at the pain in his eyes. You would
:20:24. > :20:25.the pain in his eyes. You would the pain in his eyes. You would
:20:25. > :20:28.the pain in his eyes. You would think he would be dead behind the
:20:28. > :20:28.think he would be dead behind the think he would be dead behind the
:20:28. > :20:30.think he would be dead behind the eye is, being rejected at the age
:20:30. > :20:31.eye is, being rejected at the age eye is, being rejected at the age
:20:31. > :20:41.eye is, being rejected at the age of 13 by his mother, but he was
:20:41. > :20:49.
:20:49. > :20:50.And I felt such a sense of belief And I felt such a sense of belief
:20:50. > :20:51.And I felt such a sense of belief And I felt such a sense of belief
:20:51. > :20:52.in Joe and I felt a sense of in Joe and I felt a sense of
:20:52. > :20:54.in Joe and I felt a sense of in Joe and I felt a sense of
:20:54. > :20:55.outrage in his story and I felt outrage in his story and I felt
:20:55. > :20:56.outrage in his story and I felt outrage in his story and I felt
:20:56. > :20:57.such a sense of pain. He was never such a sense of pain. He was never
:20:57. > :20:59.such a sense of pain. He was never such a sense of pain. He was never
:20:59. > :21:00.going to be able to tell the story, going to be able to tell the story,
:21:00. > :21:01.going to be able to tell the story, going to be able to tell the story,
:21:01. > :21:03.I was telling the story. But to I was telling the story. But to
:21:03. > :21:04.I was telling the story. But to construct that, that have to be
:21:04. > :21:06.construct that, that have to be construct that, that have to be
:21:06. > :21:08.everything from the feet up, from everything from the feet up, from
:21:08. > :21:10.everything from the feet up, from the inside, the marriage of the
:21:10. > :21:12.the inside, the marriage of the the inside, the marriage of the
:21:12. > :21:14.visceral insides of him, and the visceral insides of him, and the
:21:14. > :21:16.visceral insides of him, and the kind of brilliant expressed emotion,
:21:16. > :21:17.kind of brilliant expressed emotion, kind of brilliant expressed emotion,
:21:17. > :21:27.kind of brilliant expressed emotion, kind of brilliant expressed emotion,
:21:27. > :21:27.
:21:27. > :21:31.Let's talk about the fight scene. Let's talk about the fight scene.
:21:31. > :21:33.Let's talk about the fight scene. It is incredible because again that
:21:33. > :21:36.It is incredible because again that It is incredible because again that
:21:36. > :21:37.rage and frustration... Yes.It is rage and frustration... Yes.It is
:21:37. > :21:38.rage and frustration... Yes.It is not your typical Holywood fight
:21:38. > :21:40.not your typical Holywood fight not your typical Holywood fight
:21:40. > :21:41.not your typical Holywood fight scene. It is messy. It is awkward.
:21:41. > :21:43.scene. It is messy. It is awkward. scene. It is messy. It is awkward.
:21:43. > :21:45.scene. It is messy. It is awkward. scene. It is messy. It is awkward.
:21:45. > :21:46.A lot of that is to do with Liam. A lot of that is to do with Liam.
:21:46. > :21:49.A lot of that is to do with Liam. He was instrumental in saying it
:21:49. > :21:50.He was instrumental in saying it He was instrumental in saying it
:21:50. > :22:00.should be messy, crude, coarse, should be messy, crude, coarse,
:22:00. > :22:19.
:22:19. > :22:20.I think Liam gives the truly I think Liam gives the truly
:22:20. > :22:21.magnificent performance. I learnt magnificent performance. I learnt
:22:21. > :22:25.magnificent performance. I learnt magnificent performance. I learnt
:22:25. > :22:27.an awful lot from him. It is pretty an awful lot from him. It is pretty
:22:27. > :22:27.an awful lot from him. It is pretty good in choreography. Because it is
:22:27. > :22:30.good in choreography. Because it is good in choreography. Because it is
:22:30. > :22:32.so messy and awkward, it heightens so messy and awkward, it heightens
:22:32. > :22:34.so messy and awkward, it heightens the emotions. Absolutely. It is an
:22:34. > :22:36.the emotions. Absolutely. It is an the emotions. Absolutely. It is an
:22:36. > :22:38.the emotions. Absolutely. It is an explosion. That is key about it. It
:22:38. > :22:40.explosion. That is key about it. It explosion. That is key about it. It
:22:40. > :22:41.should be an explosive moment of should be an explosive moment of
:22:41. > :22:42.should be an explosive moment of should be an explosive moment of
:22:42. > :22:43.Joe's, that is his five minutes of Joe's, that is his five minutes of
:22:43. > :22:44.Joe's, that is his five minutes of Joe's, that is his five minutes of
:22:44. > :22:54.heaven, he is supposed to kill, and heaven, he is supposed to kill, and
:22:54. > :22:56.
:22:56. > :22:59.heaven, he is supposed to kill, and It feels to me you've had a very
:22:59. > :23:02.It feels to me you've had a very It feels to me you've had a very
:23:02. > :23:03.long journey in becoming an actor. long journey in becoming an actor.
:23:03. > :23:05.long journey in becoming an actor. 25 years, it's been an overnight
:23:05. > :23:06.25 years, it's been an overnight 25 years, it's been an overnight
:23:06. > :23:08.success. Why were you never success. Why were you never
:23:08. > :23:09.success. Why were you never satisfied with one part? Because it
:23:09. > :23:13.satisfied with one part? Because it satisfied with one part? Because it
:23:13. > :23:14.satisfied with one part? Because it is my job, you know? That harks
:23:14. > :23:19.is my job, you know? That harks is my job, you know? That harks
:23:19. > :23:24.is my job, you know? That harks back to the work ethic. My dad used
:23:24. > :23:24.back to the work ethic. My dad used back to the work ethic. My dad used
:23:24. > :23:25.back to the work ethic. My dad used to close the school. Was there ever
:23:25. > :23:26.to close the school. Was there ever to close the school. Was there ever
:23:26. > :23:28.a sense that because you didn't a sense that because you didn't
:23:28. > :23:28.a sense that because you didn't a sense that because you didn't
:23:28. > :23:30.follow your dad down the root of follow your dad down the root of
:23:30. > :23:31.follow your dad down the root of education and become that French
:23:31. > :23:33.education and become that French education and become that French
:23:33. > :23:36.teacher, there has been a residual teacher, there has been a residual
:23:36. > :23:37.teacher, there has been a residual teacher, there has been a residual
:23:37. > :23:40.guilt over the years? I think that guilt over the years? I think that
:23:40. > :23:41.guilt over the years? I think that is probably very true. The notion
:23:41. > :23:42.is probably very true. The notion is probably very true. The notion
:23:42. > :23:43.is probably very true. The notion of ending up with money and fame
:23:44. > :23:45.of ending up with money and fame of ending up with money and fame
:23:45. > :23:46.of ending up with money and fame and all that comes with that, I
:23:46. > :23:47.and all that comes with that, I and all that comes with that, I
:23:47. > :23:50.and all that comes with that, I think there has been a lot of guilt.
:23:50. > :23:52.think there has been a lot of guilt. think there has been a lot of guilt.
:23:52. > :23:53.I spent 25 years thinking acting's I spent 25 years thinking acting's
:23:53. > :23:54.I spent 25 years thinking acting's I spent 25 years thinking acting's
:23:54. > :23:55.silly. I get that feeling from you. silly. I get that feeling from you.
:23:55. > :23:57.silly. I get that feeling from you. silly. I get that feeling from you.
:23:57. > :23:59.You don't want to talk about it too You don't want to talk about it too
:23:59. > :24:00.You don't want to talk about it too You don't want to talk about it too
:24:00. > :24:01.much. If you talk about it to your much. If you talk about it to your
:24:01. > :24:03.much. If you talk about it to your mates, they would slag you off.
:24:03. > :24:05.mates, they would slag you off. mates, they would slag you off.
:24:05. > :24:09.mates, they would slag you off. They actually get it. I am the last
:24:09. > :24:10.They actually get it. I am the last They actually get it. I am the last
:24:11. > :24:12.They actually get it. I am the last person to catch on. At times, it
:24:12. > :24:14.person to catch on. At times, it person to catch on. At times, it
:24:14. > :24:15.can entertain, which is important. can entertain, which is important.
:24:15. > :24:16.can entertain, which is important. can entertain, which is important.
:24:16. > :24:25.At times, it can educate. At times, At times, it can educate. At times,
:24:25. > :24:26.You have been introduced into You have been introduced into
:24:26. > :24:27.You have been introduced into Holywood and into the American
:24:27. > :24:31.Holywood and into the American Holywood and into the American
:24:31. > :24:32.audience. Where does that take you? audience. Where does that take you?
:24:32. > :24:33.audience. Where does that take you? audience. Where does that take you?
:24:33. > :24:37.I know you have two more to do I know you have two more to do
:24:37. > :24:39.I know you have two more to do but... I don't know. Honestly, I
:24:39. > :24:40.but... I don't know. Honestly, I but... I don't know. Honestly, I
:24:40. > :24:41.but... I don't know. Honestly, I dunno. Do I want to sit beside a
:24:41. > :24:42.dunno. Do I want to sit beside a dunno. Do I want to sit beside a
:24:42. > :24:45.dunno. Do I want to sit beside a pool in America waiting to get a
:24:45. > :24:46.pool in America waiting to get a pool in America waiting to get a
:24:46. > :24:48.pool in America waiting to get a film part in an accent I don't want
:24:48. > :24:49.film part in an accent I don't want film part in an accent I don't want
:24:49. > :24:50.film part in an accent I don't want to do as a baddie? I am not
:24:50. > :24:51.to do as a baddie? I am not to do as a baddie? I am not
:24:52. > :24:53.to do as a baddie? I am not interested. That is not part of my
:24:53. > :24:54.interested. That is not part of my interested. That is not part of my
:24:54. > :24:56.trajectory. That is not my career trajectory. That is not my career
:24:56. > :24:57.trajectory. That is not my career trajectory. That is not my career
:24:57. > :24:59.and a father. There is an amazing and a father. There is an amazing
:24:59. > :25:00.and a father. There is an amazing and a father. There is an amazing
:25:00. > :25:02.film you have been in, The Way, film you have been in, The Way,
:25:02. > :25:04.film you have been in, The Way, with Martin Sheen, directed by his
:25:04. > :25:06.with Martin Sheen, directed by his with Martin Sheen, directed by his
:25:06. > :25:08.son. A good writer dies broker. son. A good writer dies broker.
:25:09. > :25:09.son. A good writer dies broker. son. A good writer dies broker.
:25:09. > :25:10.After I left college, I wrote for After I left college, I wrote for
:25:11. > :25:11.After I left college, I wrote for travel magazines. I put some money
:25:11. > :25:12.travel magazines. I put some money travel magazines. I put some money
:25:12. > :25:15.travel magazines. I put some money away, and I thought I would get
:25:15. > :25:17.away, and I thought I would get away, and I thought I would get
:25:17. > :25:18.away, and I thought I would get down to the novel. 20 years later,
:25:18. > :25:18.down to the novel. 20 years later, down to the novel. 20 years later,
:25:18. > :25:20.down to the novel. 20 years later, here I am, still waiting for the
:25:20. > :25:22.here I am, still waiting for the here I am, still waiting for the
:25:22. > :25:23.magazine. Again, the part was not magazine. Again, the part was not
:25:23. > :25:25.magazine. Again, the part was not magazine. Again, the part was not
:25:25. > :25:28.for an Irishman. I thought it would for an Irishman. I thought it would
:25:28. > :25:29.for an Irishman. I thought it would be great. I thought, actually,
:25:29. > :25:31.be great. I thought, actually, be great. I thought, actually,
:25:31. > :25:33.slightly challenged the myth of slightly challenged the myth of
:25:33. > :25:33.slightly challenged the myth of Irish writers been great. This was
:25:33. > :25:35.Irish writers been great. This was Irish writers been great. This was
:25:35. > :25:38.Irish writers been great. This was a writer with the block, he wasn't
:25:38. > :25:40.a writer with the block, he wasn't a writer with the block, he wasn't
:25:40. > :25:42.romantic, he was something that had romantic, he was something that had
:25:42. > :25:43.romantic, he was something that had gone wrong. Jack, you write
:25:43. > :25:44.gone wrong. Jack, you write gone wrong. Jack, you write
:25:44. > :25:46.whatever you want about this, what whatever you want about this, what
:25:46. > :25:46.whatever you want about this, what whatever you want about this, what
:25:46. > :25:48.you saw, what you felt, you write you saw, what you felt, you write
:25:48. > :25:52.you saw, what you felt, you write you saw, what you felt, you write
:25:52. > :25:55.it like it happened. You write the it like it happened. You write the
:25:55. > :25:57.it like it happened. You write the truth. I'll do my best.
:25:57. > :25:58.truth. I'll do my best. truth. I'll do my best.
:25:58. > :25:59.truth. I'll do my best. It is quite a spiritual film. Some
:25:59. > :26:01.It is quite a spiritual film. Some It is quite a spiritual film. Some
:26:01. > :26:03.It is quite a spiritual film. Some might say it is a Catholic for long.
:26:03. > :26:04.might say it is a Catholic for long. might say it is a Catholic for long.
:26:04. > :26:05.might say it is a Catholic for long. I wonder again how much is your
:26:05. > :26:07.I wonder again how much is your creative responsibility in this
:26:07. > :26:08.creative responsibility in this creative responsibility in this
:26:08. > :26:12.particular scene, you are walking particular scene, you are walking
:26:12. > :26:22.particular scene, you are walking along... The stick?Yes. That
:26:22. > :26:24.
:26:24. > :26:26.along... The stick?Yes. That You swing that stick quite well.
:26:26. > :26:26.You swing that stick quite well. You swing that stick quite well.
:26:26. > :26:28.You swing that stick quite well. There wasn't much else to do where
:26:29. > :26:30.There wasn't much else to do where There wasn't much else to do where
:26:30. > :26:32.There wasn't much else to do where I grew up! You know something, I
:26:32. > :26:33.I grew up! You know something, I I grew up! You know something, I
:26:33. > :26:35.I grew up! You know something, I wanted to dispel the myth of all
:26:35. > :26:38.wanted to dispel the myth of all wanted to dispel the myth of all
:26:38. > :26:38.writers with a Northern Irish writers with a Northern Irish
:26:38. > :26:45.writers with a Northern Irish accent being from one particular
:26:45. > :26:46.accent being from one particular accent being from one particular
:26:46. > :26:47.accent being from one particular site. I loved being known as the
:26:47. > :26:48.site. I loved being known as the site. I loved being known as the
:26:48. > :26:52.site. I loved being known as the one with the stick. They didn't get
:26:52. > :26:53.one with the stick. They didn't get one with the stick. They didn't get
:26:53. > :26:54.it. They thought, hey, you're like it. They thought, hey, you're like
:26:54. > :26:57.it. They thought, hey, you're like it. They thought, hey, you're like
:26:57. > :26:58.in a marching band. And I'm like... in a marching band. And I'm like...
:26:58. > :26:59.in a marching band. And I'm like... I think I was actually whistling
:26:59. > :27:01.I think I was actually whistling I think I was actually whistling
:27:01. > :27:02.I think I was actually whistling I think I was actually whistling
:27:02. > :27:04.when I was doing it. I think I was when I was doing it. I think I was
:27:04. > :27:05.when I was doing it. I think I was whistling King Billy's March. I
:27:05. > :27:12.whistling King Billy's March. I whistling King Billy's March. I
:27:12. > :27:14.whistling King Billy's March. I In the last couple of years, I've
:27:14. > :27:15.In the last couple of years, I've In the last couple of years, I've
:27:15. > :27:18.worked with Martin Sheen and others, worked with Martin Sheen and others,
:27:18. > :27:20.worked with Martin Sheen and others, and they have been an extraordinary
:27:20. > :27:21.and they have been an extraordinary and they have been an extraordinary
:27:21. > :27:23.it -- inspiration. And they are it -- inspiration. And they are
:27:23. > :27:23.it -- inspiration. And they are it -- inspiration. And they are
:27:23. > :27:25.loving what they are doing. I am loving what they are doing. I am
:27:25. > :27:26.loving what they are doing. I am loving what they are doing. I am
:27:26. > :27:27.blessed to work with them. I am blessed to work with them. I am
:27:27. > :27:29.blessed to work with them. I am blessed to work with them. I am
:27:29. > :27:31.blessed to do what I am doing. blessed to do what I am doing.