Episode 10

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:00:11. > :00:14.Tonight The Culture Show is from Colchester which claims to be

:00:14. > :00:19.Britain's oldest recorded town and thaus because it was the Roman who

:00:19. > :00:25.is built this gate that we are doing the recording. Now, all the

:00:25. > :00:31.way back in AD43 the emperr came here with an invasion force armed

:00:31. > :00:36.with the very latest shock and awe weapon, namely, elephants. We can't

:00:36. > :00:40.promise you militaryised in tonight's show, later on I will be

:00:40. > :00:47.looking at an extremely striking new building that's just gone up in

:00:47. > :00:50.the heart of town. Also on the show: Mark Kermode

:00:50. > :00:56.travels to Denmark to meet controversial director Lars von

:00:56. > :01:02.Trier. Alastair Sooke talks to Frank

:01:02. > :01:08.Stella. And violinist Nigel Kennedy takes

:01:08. > :01:12.us through his rules of play. We chat to Diana Athill. Did you meet

:01:12. > :01:17.somebody and jump into bed that same evening? I have done that in

:01:17. > :01:23.my time, yes. Tim Samuels does time at Wandsworth

:01:23. > :01:30.Prison. And Michael Smith unpicks post

:01:30. > :01:40.modernism at the V&A. First, my journey this week to the

:01:40. > :01:44.

:01:44. > :01:47.new Firstsite building as it was Colchester, Britain's old e e --

:01:47. > :01:50.oldest recorded town, there you have it in black and white but for

:01:50. > :01:54.all its multilayered fascinating past it's the future of Colchester

:01:54. > :01:57.that's taking shape. In the form of a a brand new �25 million Arts

:01:57. > :02:02.Centre. All I really know about it is that

:02:02. > :02:10.it's very large and very gold. I think I can just see a bit of it

:02:10. > :02:18.over there. Colchester today is sa bit rough

:02:18. > :02:27.and ready. Still a garrison town. And spiritual home of the boy racer.

:02:27. > :02:31.But once it was Camulodunum, expect of Roman Britain under Claudius.

:02:31. > :02:37.There are signs of a khraesical past everywhere, fragments of

:02:37. > :02:44.temples, columns on everything from banks to book shops.

:02:44. > :02:48.Looking down from high on the town hall, local heroine Boudica, the

:02:48. > :02:52.warrior Queen of the Britons who led a bloody rebellion against the

:02:52. > :02:57.Romans and now after a dramatic architectural competition and

:02:57. > :03:02.endless funding wrangles, the temple of the Arts they're already

:03:02. > :03:07.calling the golden banana is ready for action. There we go.

:03:07. > :03:12.So, first impressions? There's certainly nothing else like it in

:03:12. > :03:17.Colchester. It's got the wow factor. It's got the Gordon Bennett factor.

:03:17. > :03:23.To me, it's like a sort of giant spaceship that's suddenly got

:03:23. > :03:29.beamed down. I also think there is an element of homage to Frank

:03:29. > :03:32.Gearey, it looks like a chunk that mysteriously fell off the

:03:32. > :03:42.Guggenheim and ended up here sprayed in gold. It's impressive. I

:03:42. > :03:58.

:03:58. > :04:04.There's a story behind this unusual structure. This land is a scheduled

:04:04. > :04:09.ancient monument. Architect raffle has defiesed a worm, which unlike

:04:09. > :04:13.the elephants, has had to watch where it puts its feet. The most

:04:13. > :04:18.conspicious feature of the building is how loit it is and I don't mean

:04:18. > :04:23.light filled alone, I mean physically light. It carries itself

:04:23. > :04:25.lightly, almost gingerly on the site, virtually hovering over it.

:04:25. > :04:34.The foundations are extremely shallow and there's a reason for

:04:34. > :04:40.that. It's this. This is a Roman mosaic, probably the floor of a

:04:40. > :04:44.dining room, it's got these lovely creatures. It was excavated here.

:04:44. > :04:54.When it was unearthed they found the skeleton of a human being, a

:04:54. > :04:58.

:04:58. > :05:07.few fragments of pottery, and The annual Colchester oyster feast

:05:07. > :05:13.is still celebrated in the town hall. Somewhere beneath all that

:05:13. > :05:23.Jolity there is a link back to celebrations of the cult of the God

:05:23. > :05:27.

:05:27. > :05:32.of wine, fertility, drunkenness, The opening exhibition in the new

:05:32. > :05:38.building is called Camulodunum. And it makes use of Colchester's past

:05:38. > :05:48.to find a way into contemporary art. And the connections are sometimes

:05:48. > :05:52.

:05:52. > :05:58.ingenious. Vietnamese artist Vose exhibition, fragments of a copy of

:05:58. > :06:03.the statue of liberty, shown in pieces all over the world.

:06:03. > :06:10.The theme of the exhibition is past and present. How we interpret

:06:10. > :06:18.fragments of a sometimes imaginary archaeology. What survives when

:06:18. > :06:22.civilisations crumble. Where does junk end and art begin?

:06:22. > :06:28.And what makes a monument monumental?

:06:28. > :06:34.This piece is by a great American land artist Robert Smithson. It

:06:34. > :06:39.occurred to me he was working at it, at the height of the Vietnam war.

:06:39. > :06:46.And this was created from car doors in the year of the Falklands

:06:46. > :06:50.conflict. I think of it as a joke on the future. I imagine the artist

:06:50. > :06:55.wondering to himself what would the people of the earth 3,000 make of

:06:55. > :06:59.us if they could dig this up? I don't normally like themed

:06:59. > :07:06.exhibition but I like this one, I like its playfulness and the way

:07:06. > :07:09.it's unearthed a rich vein of art from the last 60, 70 years that

:07:09. > :07:18.seems to have worried away at the theme of archaeology, the

:07:18. > :07:25.relationship between the past and The exhibition also shows us how

:07:25. > :07:31.our attitudes to the past have changed. These are photographs of

:07:31. > :07:38.the Colchester pageant staged back in 1909. It had an audience of

:07:38. > :07:46.60,000, with nearly 3,000 participants. I like this, it's a

:07:46. > :07:51.real slice of Colchester's past. A more innocent and more more

:07:51. > :07:56.authoritarian past. There is a letter from the organisers: My dear

:07:56. > :08:02.pageanters, you covered yourself in glory and McIntoshes... As if a

:08:02. > :08:12.little rain never hurt anybody! It is signed by Louis N Parker.

:08:12. > :08:16.

:08:16. > :08:22.The N stood, appropriately enough, The unique Firstsite building isn't

:08:22. > :08:25.just an art gallery. I am glad to see it's reaching out to local

:08:26. > :08:32.children, making the experience of coming here fun as well as

:08:32. > :08:36.educational. It was once commented that architecture is the only

:08:36. > :08:41.medium you can't turn off. Well, the council are going to turn off

:08:41. > :08:45.the bus station next door. This whole view will be landscaped down

:08:45. > :08:50.towards the Roman wall. I must admit, I grew rather fond of its

:08:50. > :09:00.constant movement. Like an installation attended by men in

:09:00. > :09:02.

:09:02. > :09:07.high vis vests working away beyond You know what, I think they'll miss

:09:07. > :09:13.it when it's gone. And the exhibition continues here

:09:13. > :09:17.until the end of January. Now, it's on to Frank Stella, one of the most

:09:17. > :09:23.influential American artists of the last half century who once said

:09:23. > :09:27.that a painting is a flat surface with paint on it, nothing more. His

:09:27. > :09:31.new retrospective in London, his first in this country since 85,

:09:31. > :09:41.shows how far he's travelled since then. Alastair Sooke went to meet

:09:41. > :09:42.

:09:42. > :09:47.In the late 1950s an unknown artist took the New York art scene by

:09:47. > :09:51.storm. With his black paintings, Frank

:09:51. > :09:57.Stella demonstrated the raw power of simplicity and he shot to fame

:09:57. > :10:01.as the father of minimalism. This is Delta, it's the first of

:10:01. > :10:09.Stella's famous black paintings, a sequence of 24 variations on this

:10:09. > :10:12.theme, thick, black enamaled paint in stripes. The paintings made his

:10:12. > :10:16.name, because, well, they were so radically different to everything

:10:16. > :10:20.that had come before. They seemed to suggest that art could be

:10:20. > :10:28.impersonal and mechanical. They're austere. They're very aggressive. I

:10:28. > :10:32.think that all of them radiate the same implaqueable presence, like a

:10:32. > :10:36.fairy Godfather cursing everything in sight. They look like the work

:10:36. > :10:46.from the end of someone's career. Actually when he made them he was

:10:46. > :10:47.

:10:47. > :10:53.Frank, I am really pleased that this piece, Delta, is in the show,

:10:53. > :10:57.because my understanding is this is the starting point for your entire

:10:57. > :11:04.career? Well, it's the starting point for other people's ideas

:11:05. > :11:10.about my career. But basically, it's about painting something out.

:11:10. > :11:18.When I looked at it later I just liked the way it looked. From there

:11:18. > :11:23.on it just took off. Grape Island is a piece that shows how he was

:11:23. > :11:28.influenced by his contemporary Jasper Johns and Jackson Pollock

:11:28. > :11:31.but the black paintings were something new and gained Stella

:11:31. > :11:41.instant notoriety as an energetic force on the arts scene. Quickly

:11:41. > :11:42.

:11:42. > :11:45.you went from Delta to this piece, which is... Quickly, yes, two years.

:11:45. > :11:50.There are several really noticeable things about this. First of all,

:11:50. > :11:57.it's the strange shape of the canvas. This, to me, is the limit

:11:57. > :12:02.of shape painting. What do you mean? Because if you were to make

:12:02. > :12:06.it - shape it more in the centre, take a couple of bands away it

:12:06. > :12:12.wouldn't work. There's too much negative space and not enough

:12:12. > :12:22.positive activity. To me this was the limit. The implied square is

:12:22. > :12:29.

:12:29. > :12:32.These works on this wall date from the early to mid-60s. The thing

:12:32. > :12:35.that's immediately obvious is that they're really, really colourful.

:12:35. > :12:41.It's a basic thing to say, but why were you suddenly introducing

:12:41. > :12:46.colour in such a big way into your work? Well, I mean, that's a kind

:12:46. > :12:51.of set-up question. Even my father told me after looking at the black

:12:51. > :12:56.paintings that colour sells. That colour sells? And he wasn't a

:12:56. > :13:02.specialist. Lots of people say that you were trying to banish pictorial

:13:03. > :13:08.depth early on, but in a sense you create your own version of depth

:13:08. > :13:12.because these aren't flat, some colours recede, some come out?

:13:12. > :13:20.don't think that's any great crime. Look, this isn't a trial! It's a

:13:20. > :13:28.celebration. But, there was always an onus on abstraction to prove

:13:28. > :13:31.itself, in other words, you know, why wasn't abstract art just

:13:31. > :13:38.geometric and academic and this is a pretty good answer to that

:13:38. > :13:45.question. As in you are trying to say it's vibrant and it's got huge

:13:45. > :13:52.impact. It gets you here? It can be very visual, very pictorial. I mean,

:13:52. > :13:56.it's the goal of all our... Stella's great ambitions for

:13:56. > :14:02.abstraction paid off as in 1970 at the age of 34 he became the

:14:02. > :14:05.youngest ever artist to receive a retrospective at the Museum of

:14:05. > :14:10.Modern Art in New York. His response was to rethink his style

:14:10. > :14:17.yet again. The Polish Village series was inspired by a book of

:14:17. > :14:22.architectural drawings of Polish synagogues. Why are they suddenly

:14:22. > :14:29.emerging into three dimensions? They're so different from the 60s

:14:29. > :14:33.paintings because they are entering their world? That's inevitable with

:14:33. > :14:37.building, you can construct a platform for yourself and then

:14:37. > :14:46.inevitably, you are going to build up from there and cover yourself.

:14:46. > :14:53.You start with a foundation and end At the beginning of your career you

:14:53. > :14:57.are laying the foundations and then after time... I see! As you travel

:14:57. > :15:00.through this exhibition, you can see how dramatically Frank Stella

:15:00. > :15:06.moved away from the ordered minimalism of his early career. His

:15:06. > :15:12.later work is unpredictable, three- dimensional and unruly. When was

:15:12. > :15:19.this made? Last year. Right, so it's really recent. And it's

:15:19. > :15:23.another huge change in your style. Yes, you could say it's building a

:15:23. > :15:27.painting again. But it is a big difference because what was done

:15:27. > :15:33.before was really done by hand, even I could participate. But this

:15:33. > :15:37.is totally built by a machine. is clear from the breath of work in

:15:38. > :15:41.this show that Frank Stella's artistic vision has been constantly

:15:41. > :15:45.shifting for more than five decades. There is a restlessness to him.

:15:45. > :15:50.It's become obvious to me throughout this interview is what

:15:51. > :16:00.Motors him as a ferocious drive to keep achieving the goals. Do you

:16:01. > :16:01.

:16:01. > :16:07.consider yourself a competitive person? No, actually, No. The only

:16:07. > :16:12.thing that really makes me unhappy is something I didn't really push

:16:12. > :16:18.hard enough. Frank, thank you show much. Congratulations on the show,

:16:18. > :16:23.I think it's phenomenal. Frank Stella -- Frank Stella: Connections

:16:23. > :16:27.continues until 19th November. What on earth was post-modernism all

:16:27. > :16:32.about? Well, it's the subject of a monster new exhibition at the V&A,

:16:32. > :16:36.ranging across art, architecture, fashion, design, pop culture and

:16:36. > :16:42.much more besides. Michael Smith went along to see if he could work

:16:42. > :16:46.out what it all means. Post- modernism has always been a

:16:46. > :16:52.slippery consent to grass. Maddeningly difficult to gauge the

:16:52. > :16:56.importance or the nature of. Having grown up in a post-modern world,

:16:56. > :17:04.I'm curious to see how this great old institution tries to and pick

:17:04. > :17:07.it off. Post-modernism, style and subversion aims to make sense of it

:17:07. > :17:17.as an intellectual and artistic movement. But also as a wider

:17:17. > :17:18.

:17:18. > :17:22.cultural condition. The show focuses on the years 1970 to 1990.

:17:22. > :17:27.But typically for post-modernism, these dates throw up as many

:17:27. > :17:34.questions as they do answers. His post modernism definitely dead? If

:17:34. > :17:40.so, what's its legacy, and what was it all about in the first place?

:17:40. > :17:44.The exhibition starts with the death of modernism. By the early

:17:45. > :17:50.70s, some in the architectural world saw the first demolitions of

:17:50. > :17:56.modernist high rise buildings as a symbolic failure of modernism's

:17:56. > :18:02.puritanical Utopian vision. An alternative sensibility was first

:18:02. > :18:08.imagined when architects Robert Venturi and Denise Scott Brown

:18:08. > :18:11.travelled to Las Vegas. In the City's naive, kitsch, colourful

:18:11. > :18:16.architecture they saw a vibrant alternative to the elitist,

:18:16. > :18:20.totalitarian vision of high modernism. There is a tangible

:18:20. > :18:24.excitement in these pictures. A real sense that this one simple,

:18:24. > :18:28.profound idea was a kind of epiphany. A skeleton key that

:18:28. > :18:36.opened up a whole new understanding that the world we've built up

:18:36. > :18:41.around us. Route 66 to Vegas was post-modernism's road to Damascus.

:18:41. > :18:45.Charles Moore's Piazza Italia or public plaza in New Orleans was

:18:45. > :18:51.nearly -- was an early example of this new approach. Inspired by both

:18:51. > :18:58.classical Rome and contemporary Las Vegas. The artist and self said it

:18:58. > :19:02.is 20th century, commercial bad taste is part of it. Whereas

:19:02. > :19:10.modernism sought a clean slate free from history, post-modernism in

:19:10. > :19:14.various guises sought a play for, ironic re-engagement with the past.

:19:14. > :19:20.Central to this post-modern approach was the idea of a collage.

:19:20. > :19:23.A term borrowed from the French anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss.

:19:23. > :19:27.What it basically means is assembling something new from

:19:27. > :19:33.things that are already there, regardless of style or taste. And

:19:33. > :19:37.it's a way of accepting the world as it is and then reconfiguring it.

:19:37. > :19:42.Although the original challenge to high modernism sense a genuinely

:19:42. > :19:46.profound cultural shift, a lot of what followed in Architecture and

:19:46. > :19:53.Design seems a bit of a fad and clever clogs to me. It becomes very

:19:53. > :19:57.annoying very quickly. You would think that hate was too strong a

:19:57. > :20:02.word for kitchen appliances but I do find some of these pieces

:20:02. > :20:08.genuinely revolting. They just seemed so hollow and smug. They are

:20:08. > :20:16.like this kind of highbrow in-joke about bad taste that seems like

:20:16. > :20:22.such a dead end. But maybe this was always there.. Perhaps its

:20:22. > :20:27.hollowness is its haunting quality, its depth you might even say. For

:20:27. > :20:32.me, it's when we look at post- modernism in popular culture that

:20:32. > :20:37.all the ideas of high and low, authenticity and taste seem most

:20:37. > :20:40.vibrant and important. I think pop music and performance is the

:20:41. > :20:45.absolute apex of post-modernism. That's because it was always meant

:20:45. > :20:49.to be on stage and under hot lights. If you think about the 80s, you

:20:49. > :20:54.think about cosmetics, big hair, you think about big shoulder pads.

:20:54. > :20:58.All of that stuff was appearing on celebrities on MTV. It was about

:20:58. > :21:02.not even being interested in authentic personalities any more.

:21:02. > :21:06.It was just a matter of the effect you could make, turning yourself

:21:06. > :21:09.into a special effect. For me, that is what talking heads are about,

:21:09. > :21:15.Grace Jones, it's about freedom of choice. It's about doing what you

:21:15. > :21:19.like. One of my favourite things in this exhibition are these

:21:19. > :21:24.turntables that we used by Grandmaster Flash, who was an early

:21:24. > :21:30.pioneer of hip-hop. He mixed, some cold and scratched old records to

:21:30. > :21:34.create an exciting form of music. It's a perfect example of post-

:21:34. > :21:41.modernism. Using what was already there to make something fresh and

:21:41. > :21:45.new. The exhibition ends in 1990. Do you see that as meaning post-

:21:45. > :21:50.modernism is dead then? I think post-modernism is a movement has

:21:50. > :21:53.pretty much died by the late 1980s. But in some ways the story is just

:21:53. > :21:58.beginning men because post- modernism is an early warning

:21:58. > :22:02.system for our lives. So it anticipates. In many ways it was

:22:02. > :22:06.forecasting or predicting the things we were -- the things we are

:22:06. > :22:10.experiencing now. This show feels like a premonition of the

:22:10. > :22:13.fragmented and overloaded digital age we live in today. Post-

:22:13. > :22:18.modernism as an artistic or intellectual movement may have gone,

:22:18. > :22:24.but post-modernism as a wider sensibility, a condition, is

:22:24. > :22:27.terminated the culture. It's a fundamental part of our lives.

:22:27. > :22:30.Post-modernism's style and subversion is at the V&A until the

:22:30. > :22:35.eighth of January. On the theme of subversion, we tend to Nigel

:22:35. > :22:38.Kennedy, one of the world's most famous violinists. He shot to fame

:22:38. > :22:42.in 1989 with a performance of Vivaldi's The Four Seasons that

:22:42. > :22:46.went on to become one of the best- selling classical discs of all time.

:22:46. > :22:50.Now, on the eve of the release of his new album, the Four Elements,

:22:50. > :23:00.he told us about the four golden rules that have underpinned his

:23:00. > :23:08.

:23:08. > :23:11.I've never been really rebelling against anyone, just not been

:23:12. > :23:16.prepared to play music on other people's terms. Music is a personal

:23:16. > :23:26.thing. It's got to have some of your own soul in it. You can't have

:23:26. > :23:28.

:23:28. > :23:33.your soul dictated to by other Change is vitally important if it's

:23:33. > :23:43.going to have life. You can't put music or any form of art into a

:23:43. > :23:47.

:23:47. > :23:53.Stasis. It's got to be an evolving People ask me to play The Four

:23:53. > :23:56.Seasons quite a lot. It's kind of my calling card. For me, I can't

:23:56. > :24:00.play it any more straight. I'm doing something completely new with

:24:00. > :24:05.it at the moment. I can't go back and play exactly the same stuff

:24:05. > :24:09.that I've done in 1989, it's impossible. I've got Damon Reece

:24:09. > :24:13.coming in from Massive attack. He is going to do with them. I've got

:24:13. > :24:17.my quintet from my improvising musicians playing in it. Four

:24:17. > :24:21.singers, so we can verbally recreate the poems with music.

:24:21. > :24:30.There will still be The Four Seasons in it but it's going to be

:24:30. > :24:34.a different viewpoint. I found it and none Sybil at this fear when I

:24:35. > :24:41.was a musician starting out. I tried doing it wearing the tales

:24:41. > :24:45.and speaking sweetly and all this kind of sycophantic stuff, see what

:24:45. > :24:49.goes on with classical music. It's just too much, man, I couldn't live

:24:49. > :24:52.like that. I thought I'd try and do it my way and if people don't like

:24:52. > :24:56.it it's not a big loss. I'd wear clothes which are far more natural

:24:56. > :25:03.than what most classical musicians would wear. I wasn't fabricating

:25:03. > :25:10.any image, not a classical one, not a jazz one, not nothing. When I was

:25:10. > :25:15.a student in New York studying was the greatest violence - not violin

:25:15. > :25:21.teacher around. He asked me to play with him at Carnegie Hall. It was a

:25:21. > :25:26.great honour. She was saying, if you go on stage with him they won't

:25:26. > :25:32.give you a classical concert. And I do remember that night. It was a

:25:32. > :25:35.fantastic night. True to my teacher's word, I lost the contract.

:25:35. > :25:45.But if I'd not played, that would have just been another little bit

:25:45. > :25:47.

:25:47. > :25:52.No, I've never believed in genres being important. It's almost as in

:25:52. > :25:56.my career I've been trying to fight against the dollars and these

:25:56. > :26:04.categories, I'm not interested in that. So why have written this new

:26:04. > :26:07.thing called the Four Elements. -- I have written. It's got classical

:26:08. > :26:13.influences in it, it's got influences ranging from Frank Safed,

:26:14. > :26:18.Marvin Gaye, some jazz aspects. I like music. To me it's a trip. It

:26:18. > :26:21.started off at one point, you don't know if you are going to end up

:26:22. > :26:31.north, south, west or east. See where you finish up when you get

:26:32. > :26:41.

:26:41. > :26:44.All right, man. Cheers, guys. Kennedy's new album, Four Elements,

:26:44. > :26:50.was released earlier this week and the tour starts in January. Still

:26:50. > :26:54.to come, we've got Mark Kermode with Lars Von Trier. Literary

:26:54. > :26:59.superstar Diana Athill, a visit to Wandsworth prison and the winner of

:26:59. > :27:04.this year's Golden Lion at the Venice bien Ali, Christian Marclay.

:27:04. > :27:07.Next tonight, it's the launch of the Heritage Angels Awards. Simon

:27:07. > :27:13.Thurley, chief executive of English Heritage, and Andrew Lloyd Webber,

:27:13. > :27:17.but Chair of the judging panel, describes a new scheme to celebrate

:27:17. > :27:27.the efforts of those passionately pulling together to save their

:27:27. > :27:29.

:27:29. > :27:37.This is ten-mile banker in Norfolk's Fenlands. There are no

:27:37. > :27:47.shops here and mow pub, either. What the village does still have is

:27:47. > :27:47.

:27:47. > :27:53.a church. But in 2002, even that was in jeopardy. This is St Mark's

:27:53. > :27:57.Church. It was finished in 1846 at exactly the moment that the railway

:27:57. > :28:00.came to the Fens, in the middle of Queen Victoria's rain. One of the

:28:00. > :28:07.reasons it is so important is because absolutely nothing he has

:28:07. > :28:17.changed since then. But all of this was at risk because nine years ago,

:28:17. > :28:18.

:28:18. > :28:22.Why was it in such a terrible state? When they built it they

:28:22. > :28:25.built the church half on the river bank, which has to be stable for

:28:25. > :28:30.the river not to burst its banks, and the other end of the church is

:28:30. > :28:34.built out on to the fields, the Fens, which are peat bogs, and that

:28:34. > :28:39.is drying out and shrinking. Over the course of 80 years, the

:28:39. > :28:43.building slowly began to tip into the subsiding peat bogs. That

:28:43. > :28:46.resulted in the walls cracking, the roof at structure becoming unstable.

:28:46. > :28:52.But they wouldn't insure the building at that point. We have to

:28:52. > :28:56.then either decide to close it, demolish it or restore it.

:28:56. > :29:02.residents of the area decided they wanted to get the church restored.

:29:02. > :29:08.So they got together and started fund-raising. How much did you have

:29:08. > :29:12.to raise in total? In the village, eventually we had to raise �60,000.

:29:12. > :29:16.For a village with a population of just 250, that's quite a bit of

:29:16. > :29:20.money. Look at that one, it looks like the whole village is out.

:29:20. > :29:25.There's no doubt in my mind that what the people of this village

:29:25. > :29:30.have achieved here at St Mark's Church is remarkable. But the good

:29:30. > :29:33.news is that they are not alone. People all over the country are

:29:33. > :29:38.coming together to try to save buildings that they care

:29:38. > :29:44.passionately about. The English Heritage register of heritage at

:29:44. > :29:48.risk contains over 5500 such places. And it is to celebrate the

:29:48. > :29:58.achievements of communities and saving them that the Heritage

:29:58. > :29:59.

:29:59. > :30:04.So, what are the Heritage Angel Awards? They're prizes that are

:30:04. > :30:07.going to be given to the best rescue of a place or a building on

:30:07. > :30:13.the English Heritage, heritage at risk register. There are going to

:30:13. > :30:16.be four categories. The first is a place of worship. The second is for

:30:16. > :30:23.the rescue of an industrial building.

:30:23. > :30:28.The third is a craftsmanship award for the best craftsmanship involved

:30:28. > :30:32.in the rescue. The last one is a prize for a category which doesn't

:30:32. > :30:35.involve the other three, so it's any other place.

:30:35. > :30:39.Four applicants will be shortlisted in each category and everyone on

:30:39. > :30:45.the short list will be invited to an awards ceremony in London.

:30:45. > :30:49.They'll meet Andrew Lloyd Webber, the mastermind behind the awards

:30:49. > :30:53.and chair of the judging panel. hope if you win one of these awards

:30:53. > :30:56.it's basically saying I have done something brilliant. I have done

:30:56. > :31:01.something for my local community. I have saved a building for the

:31:01. > :31:05.nation and by doing that I think what you can then do is to get a

:31:05. > :31:10.culture going where people feel yeah, we got to look at that, what

:31:10. > :31:14.is that building on the corner? You can't take it for granted. If we

:31:14. > :31:22.forget our past you will find that eventually the quality of our life

:31:22. > :31:25.is totally eroded. We have got to celebrate the best that we have.

:31:25. > :31:30.English Heritage offices around the country have been sifting through

:31:30. > :31:33.the applications in order to come up with a shortlist. Over the next

:31:33. > :31:37.few weeks Andrew and I will be examining the shortlist along with

:31:37. > :31:42.a team of other judges. The awards will be presented in the late

:31:42. > :31:46.autumn. I think that these awards are a

:31:46. > :31:53.brilliant opportunity to recognise and celebrate the achievements of

:31:53. > :31:57.thousands of heritage heroes up and down the country. People like those

:31:57. > :32:02.here who literally have saved this Church from sinking forgotten into

:32:02. > :32:05.the Fenland mud. If you look around us now all these gravestones

:32:05. > :32:10.actually tell the story of this place, its people. And this

:32:10. > :32:16.building is central to that story. They came here as babies, were

:32:16. > :32:23.baptised in the font, came here to be married, came here to be buried.

:32:23. > :32:31.Behind me are my mum and dad. So, just wish my mother was here to see

:32:31. > :32:35.this today. And next week Simon will be looking

:32:35. > :32:38.at the four contenders in the industrial buildings category.

:32:38. > :32:45.Now for another group of people keen to do their bit. Although,

:32:45. > :32:49.it's not quite a case of village fairs and fun runs but it's all

:32:49. > :32:58.geared towards rehabilitation and putting something back. Tim Samuels

:32:58. > :33:02.went to Wandsworth Prison to find out more. The filming was done to

:33:02. > :33:09.conceal some identities. Wandsworth Prison in south London houses some

:33:09. > :33:16.of the toughest criminals in the British penal system. But in this

:33:16. > :33:21.unlikely environment a dying art is flourishing. It turns out the last

:33:21. > :33:31.bastion of needlework isn't in suburbia, but behind these prison

:33:31. > :33:35.

:33:35. > :33:39.walls. Fince Cell Work is a charity. Most prisoners are released with

:33:39. > :33:43.little more than their travel costs, so the opportunity to earn money

:33:43. > :33:48.whilst still doing time can mean the difference between

:33:48. > :33:51.rehabilitation and re-offending. Some of the most experienced

:33:51. > :34:00.stitchers can find themselves working on commissions from

:34:00. > :34:06.businesses, or even artists like Gavin Turk. When did you first

:34:06. > :34:10.start doing the stitching? I have done it for six weeks now. The

:34:10. > :34:14.first piece, I wouldn't say it was bad, but it's all right. That was

:34:14. > :34:19.my first piece that I done. I thought you could only do one

:34:19. > :34:25.stitch, that was normal stitching. But when you tpw in a straight line,

:34:25. > :34:29.I didn't know there was about six different stitches. How much time

:34:29. > :34:32.do you spend sewing? Sometimes I do a couple of hours. You think you

:34:32. > :34:41.have done half an hour of it, but you see it's like four hours gone

:34:41. > :34:45.by. It's something I thought wouldn't be doing, stitching and

:34:45. > :34:54.that would think would be for old ladies and that. To be fair the

:34:54. > :35:01.volunteers are probably Something they didn't expect to be either.

:35:01. > :35:05.Hi, Tim, nice to meet you. I am Jacqui. Why are you here? Good

:35:05. > :35:11.question. We have been here for about eight years. Eight years,

:35:11. > :35:15.yeah. Working for Fince Cell Work, the charity was started by a

:35:15. > :35:18.wonderful woman who was a prison visitor and she noticed how long

:35:18. > :35:25.people were locked up and was appalled and tried to think what

:35:25. > :35:30.can people do in a small space and sewing is an obvious one. She

:35:30. > :35:35.started Fince Cell Work in a minor way and it's grown, we are in how

:35:35. > :35:39.many prisons? 29. Not us personally, there are groups all around the

:35:39. > :35:43.country. There must be guys who you have a fairly close relationship

:35:43. > :35:47.with? You will have seen them over a long period of time and seen them

:35:48. > :35:50.develop? Yes, we had somebody a long time ago, the most

:35:50. > :35:55.extraordinary change was we didn't actually like being in the same

:35:55. > :36:01.room with him. He was a very awkward character. Very angry.

:36:01. > :36:06.Arrogant. Within a short time he became part of a team. He was

:36:06. > :36:11.helpful to everybody else and totally changed man. Completely

:36:11. > :36:15.changed man and he said doing this work made him think about why he

:36:15. > :36:19.was in prison and how he had got to change and he wanted to do

:36:19. > :36:23.something for somebody else. It's quite hard to come in a prison and

:36:23. > :36:27.not wonder, firstly, what would it take for me to end up in here.

:36:27. > :36:31.Secondly, how would I cope if I did. I am glad you said that because I

:36:31. > :36:36.have often thought that. We have been fortunate in having very

:36:37. > :36:42.supportive families, good education and things. But yeah, it's a very,

:36:42. > :36:47.very fine line. It is easy. Look at this, I mean, it's a very, very

:36:47. > :36:52.sophisticated piece of work that. This is a man who's possibly never

:36:52. > :36:58.had an art lesson or a craft lesson. He hasn't. He hadn't done stitching

:36:58. > :37:02.before he met us. For some of them when we say here's a piece of

:37:02. > :37:06.fabric - like these here, these were animal cushions we did for

:37:06. > :37:12.children. They were just given the shape of the animal and they could

:37:12. > :37:15.do what they liked around it. When they first were given these they

:37:15. > :37:19.couldn't even choose the colour of the threads. They said no, you

:37:19. > :37:24.choose for us. We would say no, what do you like? What would you

:37:24. > :37:30.find pleasing? You realise that in here they're not allowed, they

:37:30. > :37:35.don't have a chance to make decisions. When somebody said do

:37:35. > :37:41.you fancy doing some sewing what was your initial reaction?

:37:41. > :37:46.initial reaction was sewing, like I had to laugh, things that nobody

:37:46. > :37:50.mix criminals and sewing. I rely on my Granmother outside to send me

:37:50. > :37:55.money in prison, when I found out money was helping them, that's the

:37:55. > :38:01.main reason I got it, so I haven't got to ask for family for money, I

:38:01. > :38:05.can support by doing this. Once the doors are shut for good, that's

:38:05. > :38:09.when you can get on with your sewing? That's when I can get on,

:38:09. > :38:12.relax. It's doing me a favour doing the sewing because it takes my mind

:38:12. > :38:15.off things. When you are sitting there behind the door you have a

:38:15. > :38:20.lot of time to contemplate on family and things and this helps

:38:20. > :38:24.take my mind off it and concentrate on something else. It does help me,

:38:24. > :38:29.it's like escapism in a way. It's good to know the work is going

:38:29. > :38:34.somewhere useful. I like the baby cushions because they're special.

:38:35. > :38:38.They're one-offs for a new baby and yeah. There's intricat stitching

:38:38. > :38:48.going on there. The main stitch, the legs and shorts and t-shirt

:38:48. > :38:48.

:38:48. > :38:55.that's chain stitch. A loop stitch. The trainers, satin stitch and back

:38:55. > :38:58.stitch in the middle. Tennis bat is Staten. What is your relationship

:38:58. > :39:06.with Jacqui and Cherry? relationship is good with them.

:39:06. > :39:09.They treat us like normal people and it feels good for us. You have

:39:09. > :39:14.people coming in off the street, they don't get paid. They're giving

:39:14. > :39:18.time to help us and help us support ourselves in prison. So, and

:39:18. > :39:23.they're friendly and all. The people that do this, have a lot of

:39:23. > :39:27.love towards them. How long are you in for? A nine-year sentence, I

:39:27. > :39:32.have three years left. Have you plans for when you leave? My main

:39:32. > :39:35.plan, my main goal is to stay out of trouble when I get out. But I

:39:35. > :39:38.have had that goal so many times in the past and kept coming back to

:39:38. > :39:41.prison, so I know I have to do something different. It seems a

:39:41. > :39:45.simple thing, sewing and yet it's having a profound effect on the

:39:45. > :39:48.lives of prisoners here. The judicial system is even under more

:39:48. > :39:52.pressure with the recent riots and perhaps it's time to ask whether

:39:52. > :39:57.there's a better way to do things, a way where prisoners aren't just

:39:57. > :40:04.doing time, but contributing something as well.

:40:04. > :40:08.And you can see an award-winning piece by Fince Cell Work as part of

:40:08. > :40:13.a exhibition which at the South Bank Centre until 20th November.

:40:13. > :40:23.Next, we join journalist Lyn Barber on a visit to a less imposing

:40:23. > :40:25.

:40:25. > :40:33.building, in a suburb of north This quiet retirement home in north

:40:33. > :40:38.London lives one of Britain's most remarkable authors. Diana Athill is

:40:38. > :40:42.93 and gives hope to all us ageing writers. She didn't become famous

:40:42. > :40:52.until she started writing her memoirs at the age of 80 and since

:40:52. > :40:56.

:40:56. > :40:59.then she's been having a good time. Diana had an I will hrus triious --

:40:59. > :41:04.illustriious career. In retirement she found her own voice, writing

:41:04. > :41:09.books that laid bare a very unconventional life.

:41:09. > :41:15.Her latest is a collection of letters written over 30 years to

:41:15. > :41:24.the poet Edward Field. It's a soul- barring book which takes her life

:41:24. > :41:28.up to the point when she moved into this old people's home.

:41:28. > :41:38.important game for being old is one ceases to be a sexual being. This

:41:38. > :41:42.may be less true of men than it is of women. Indeed, in some men a

:41:42. > :41:45.freakish sexuality seems to intensify. I have become free to

:41:45. > :41:51.love men without wanting to go to bed with them, which is

:41:51. > :41:55.surprisingly delightful. This is your new book and it's

:41:55. > :42:01.called Instead Of A Book, because it's letters you wrote. My first

:42:01. > :42:07.book I ever published was called Instead Of A Letter. It suddenly

:42:07. > :42:12.occurred this book takes the form of letters, so I said, Instead Of A

:42:12. > :42:21.Book. It's really good, because it covers all sorts of crises of old

:42:21. > :42:24.age. I mean, you have bad feet and you have to wear dentures and have

:42:24. > :42:30.an operation, which makes it sound as if it's going to be depressing,

:42:30. > :42:34.actually it's very, very jolly. As somebody sort of heading nervously

:42:34. > :42:39.towards old age myself, I thought it's not as bad as all that,

:42:39. > :42:44.actually. It isn't. It's entirely luck, of course. We did notice

:42:44. > :42:49.Edward and I when we started the corerespondence, 30 years ago, we

:42:49. > :42:55.were a good deal younger. We weren't so obsessed. We began to be

:42:55. > :43:01.towards the end, there was rather a lot about oh, darling how awful! Do

:43:01. > :43:05.go and see a doctor about that, you know! The other day I went to an

:43:05. > :43:10.exhibition at the Tate Britain. When it came to it, I enjoyed

:43:10. > :43:14.looking at the paintings so much that I stopped noticing my

:43:14. > :43:20.arthritic hips and got around the exhibition very happily. Now you

:43:20. > :43:25.have all this sort of brohaha of publication. Do you love that?

:43:25. > :43:29.was a most incredible surprise. Of course, I never thought I was going

:43:29. > :43:33.to do - I never thought they would be successful. You said that you

:43:33. > :43:38.found that that you enjoyed being interviewed, you found you enjoyed

:43:38. > :43:43.talking to audiences. And found a sort of streak of exhibitionism in

:43:43. > :43:48.yourself that you hadn't known you had. That was a surprise. Do you

:43:48. > :43:54.sometimes wish that you had had that fame earlier in life? No, no,

:43:54. > :43:58.I don't. I think that all this fuss is made about - might be quite

:43:58. > :44:03.corrupting because you start believing it. When ladies come up

:44:03. > :44:08.to me, as they often do because I am old, and am having a cheerful

:44:08. > :44:12.time and they say you are you are such an inspiration. And if people

:44:12. > :44:21.said that to me when I was young I might believe it, now I think it's

:44:21. > :44:26.For all her lust for life, her early years were defined by a

:44:26. > :44:30.single tragedy. In her early 20s, she was engaged to Paul, a young

:44:31. > :44:40.RAF officer. But during the war he tilted her, shortly before he was

:44:40. > :44:47.killed. Instead of a letter, you talk about the terrible experience

:44:47. > :44:53.of being jilted by your young man. And you save that devastated you

:44:53. > :44:58.for a very long time, 20 years or something. I had lots of other love

:44:58. > :45:03.affairs after that! It did wreck my confidence for a very long time.

:45:03. > :45:11.But having been jilted, did you think, I can never marry now?

:45:11. > :45:15.didn't think I could never marry. What I did was I found myself

:45:15. > :45:23.sheering off a serious love affairs because I felt they were bound to

:45:23. > :45:28.end badly. I like having frivolous love affairs. I preferred it.

:45:28. > :45:36.casual sex, too. Can draw sex, yes. Did you meet somebody and jump into

:45:36. > :45:44.bed that same evening? I've done that in my time, yes! And I enjoyed

:45:44. > :45:47.it. It made life better. Diana went on to become one of the most

:45:48. > :45:55.influential women in publishing, turning editing into an art form.

:45:55. > :45:59.But her books reveal her sometimes exploitative treatment by her long-

:45:59. > :46:04.term boss, the brilliant but notorious Andre Deutsch. You

:46:04. > :46:10.suddenly burst out what a horrible man he was. He's been exploiting

:46:10. > :46:16.you ruthlessly all through your career, and are paying you. I just

:46:16. > :46:21.thought, why haven't you said that 20 years ago? Why haven't you

:46:21. > :46:29.demanded money? I've known him for a long time. He was quite funny and

:46:29. > :46:33.charming when he liked. On the whole, I think the others did, too.

:46:33. > :46:39.We all floated a long having a pleasant time and didn't make a

:46:39. > :46:46.fuss about it. Yes, I was really shocked, though. To learn that you

:46:46. > :46:52.were only paid 15,000. When I finished. Yes. It was absolutely

:46:52. > :46:59.ridiculous. That was terrible. didn't realise it was terrible. We

:46:59. > :47:04.lived in this little pocket of everyone being quite poor. To this

:47:04. > :47:14.day I'm a bit astray about what things ought to cost. To this day,

:47:14. > :47:16.

:47:16. > :47:21.The success of the Diana's memoirs means that even in her 10th decade

:47:21. > :47:25.she is still capturing new generations of readers. Don't you

:47:25. > :47:32.sometimes want to leave some things out? By the time I finished, I did

:47:32. > :47:35.wonder what my mother was going to think! She is now as successful as

:47:35. > :47:45.the famous authors she edited. A jury is testament to the virtues of

:47:45. > :47:45.

:47:45. > :47:51.old age. -- joyous. Are you aiming to live to 100? Please God 0!

:47:51. > :47:56.not? It's fine why your health is good. But your health might be

:47:56. > :48:03.going wonky at any minute. It gets dreadful when it does. I've seen it

:48:03. > :48:08.happen very quickly. Memory going like that. Do you think you will

:48:08. > :48:14.write another book? I doubt it. I'm not a novelist, I've not got that

:48:14. > :48:19.sort of imagination. I can't make things up. Yes. I like documentary

:48:19. > :48:27.writing. So do I. And by the time you're in your 90s, not very much

:48:27. > :48:33.does happen! Instead of a book Letters to a friend is published on

:48:33. > :48:39.the sixth of October. Now the mood takes a turn, and how! From the

:48:39. > :48:43.racy Cannings on from a litter Mary -- literary phenomenon to the dark

:48:43. > :48:53.Side Of Cinema, as Mark Kermode takes us on a tour through the mind

:48:53. > :48:55.

:48:55. > :49:00.and movies of controversial film Bunkered down in and abandoned army

:49:00. > :49:04.training camp on the outskirts of Copenhagen is Lars Von Trier's

:49:04. > :49:10.studios - a guerrilla cell of cinema. A guerrilla cell with a

:49:10. > :49:14.golf cart, that is. He seldom leaves Denmark to to a bizarre

:49:14. > :49:19.assortment of phobias and anxieties. So why have tracked him down here

:49:19. > :49:23.at this abandoned military base he calls home. Personally, I have a

:49:23. > :49:27.rather conflicted relationship with Lars Von Trier's films. Some of

:49:27. > :49:32.them I really like, I was a big film of Antichrist, which was

:49:32. > :49:37.shockingly dubbed the most ludicrous film ever made. I admired

:49:37. > :49:40.Dogville. And I'm a fan of his new film, Melancholia, which is

:49:40. > :49:44.basically a low-key character drama about the end of the world. But

:49:44. > :49:49.he's also made films I absolutely hate. For example, Breaking The

:49:49. > :49:53.Waves. Or, more pertinently, the idiot, which got me thrown out of

:49:53. > :49:57.the Cannes Film Festival for heckling the screen. Lars Von Trier

:49:57. > :50:01.got thrown out of Cannes himself recently foretelling press

:50:01. > :50:05.conference he was a bit of a Nazi. An outrageously ill-judged joke

:50:05. > :50:08.referring to the fact he was raised in a Jewish family and proud of his

:50:08. > :50:12.Jewish heritage, but learnt on his mother's deathbed that his

:50:13. > :50:16.biological father was German. He has been apologising for and

:50:16. > :50:19.attempting to explain away the offence he caused ever since. But

:50:19. > :50:24.isn't this just another example of him being a provocateur, a

:50:24. > :50:34.prankster? And just how seriously can we take anything that Lars Von

:50:34. > :50:40.

:50:40. > :50:49.The Earth is evil. We don't need to grieve for it. What? Nobody will

:50:49. > :50:53.miss it. At the very beginning of the film we see the end of the

:50:54. > :50:56.world. The film starts with the end of the world. There is then a very

:50:56. > :51:06.striking juxtaposition between that and the fact that we then cut away

:51:06. > :51:15.

:51:15. > :51:25.wedding, which is meant to be the Justine and Michael. You look

:51:25. > :51:32.blowing today. Never seen you look The world of film describes it as

:51:32. > :51:37.something a typical for me. It's high-class, my problem with the

:51:37. > :51:45.film is suddenly when you have a fantastic cast and a fantastic

:51:45. > :51:55.garden, people in tuxedos and in bridal dresses, everything all the

:51:55. > :51:57.

:51:57. > :52:02.sudden turns to look like a What star is that, the red one?

:52:02. > :52:06.underlying atmosphere of everything is this is all going nowhere, this

:52:06. > :52:10.is all going to end and it's all going to end badly. When I look

:52:10. > :52:16.around and look at works of art that I like, they all contain

:52:16. > :52:21.Melancholia to some point. I would describe it as being the source you

:52:21. > :52:26.put in the food. If you've got to put Melancholia in then you have to

:52:26. > :52:31.have some Melancholia at the table to put it in, to me to become a

:52:31. > :52:34.real dish. What a load of crap! For those who don't know why and, I am

:52:34. > :52:38.Claire and Justine's mother. Justine, if you have any ambition

:52:38. > :52:48.at all, it certainly doesn't come from your father's side of the

:52:48. > :52:51.

:52:51. > :52:55.family. Yes. I wasn't at the church. I don't believe in marriage. Clare,

:52:55. > :53:01.who I've always taken for a sensible girl, who arranged a

:53:01. > :53:09.spectacular party. Till Death do Us Part and forever and ever, Justine

:53:09. > :53:17.and Michael. I just have one thing to say. Enjoy it while it lasts.

:53:17. > :53:23.see it as more a film about a state of mind or a mental condition man-

:53:23. > :53:28.made disaster film in that sense. - - man-made disaster film in that

:53:28. > :53:32.sense. My interpretation was that the whole world got depressed, not

:53:32. > :53:36.the people in the world but the whole world changed. There are

:53:36. > :53:42.certain themes in Melancholia that are closely mirrored in Antichrist.

:53:42. > :53:47.The idea that nature is Satan's church. The idea that the Earth is

:53:47. > :53:55.wicked. I'm just laughing because this is supposed to be something

:53:55. > :53:59.which should drag you into the cinema. I'm sorry. The musical

:53:59. > :54:03.numbers are great as well and the special effects are terrific! You

:54:03. > :54:13.know these things are in the film. I know, I'm sorry. I can't really

:54:13. > :54:31.

:54:31. > :54:35.tell you why. But they are both I think it's very cool - macro to

:54:35. > :54:45.put us here and make us know that we are going to die, and make us

:54:45. > :54:49.know that whatever has step we take will be evil in one way or another.

:54:49. > :54:56.That is plants and animals, they have a war on each other. I play

:54:56. > :55:02.around with the idea that this was the only life and would forever be

:55:02. > :55:06.the only life. That made it not only melancholic but also

:55:06. > :55:10.interesting, in a strange way. Darling, this is going to be the

:55:10. > :55:14.most amazing experience we will have in our lives. It will be here

:55:14. > :55:19.in five days and it is not going to hit us, just like it didn't hit

:55:19. > :55:24.Mercury. And it didn't hit Venus. And it would hit Earth, as we know

:55:24. > :55:32.it won't. Claire, look at me. Sweetheart, you have to trust the

:55:32. > :55:35.scientists. I have always thought with things that you say in public

:55:35. > :55:40.that I always am inclined to take them with a pinch of salt because I

:55:40. > :55:44.think a lot of the time you say things... You don't actually mean

:55:44. > :55:49.what it is that you say. Why did the Cannes thing happen, how does

:55:49. > :55:59.it now sit? First of all, it hit me much stronger than I expected.

:55:59. > :56:02.

:56:02. > :56:07.Afterwards? Yes. I am better 1-1, whatever it is called.... One-on-

:56:07. > :56:12.one. If I say, I am a Nazi, you will say, what do you mean, which

:56:12. > :56:18.would help me tremendously. What did you mean? The whole thing came

:56:18. > :56:26.that the fact my father was German. So the joke was that I was not a

:56:26. > :56:32.Jew, I was a Nazi. He was not a Nazi, he was a freedom fighter. It

:56:32. > :56:40.was not a joke about the Holocaust. It was a joke about you. It was a

:56:40. > :56:44.joke about me. I feel very Jewish. For me, that anyone should see that

:56:44. > :56:48.I was anti-Semitic would kind of her to be. I have to say, when I

:56:48. > :56:53.heard you say it I didn't think for one minute you are a Nazi. I don't

:56:53. > :56:58.think that. I don't think so either. But I think you do say things in

:56:58. > :57:03.public sometimes that you shouldn't say. Yes. But then I shouldn't talk

:57:03. > :57:06.in public. That's it. That's what I'm doing right now. Exactly.

:57:06. > :57:11.press conferences are worse because you can't come in and say what

:57:11. > :57:15.you've just said. I will finish on this. I haven't met you before and

:57:15. > :57:18.I've seen all your films. Some of them I've loved, some of them I've

:57:18. > :57:22.hated. I always thought that everything you say in public, I

:57:22. > :57:27.don't know whether I believe any of that. The interesting thing is

:57:27. > :57:35.actually, having now spend an hour or so with you, I do think that you

:57:35. > :57:42.are sincere. Well, then I have manipulated you! Exactly. My task,

:57:42. > :57:48.that is my job. Melancholia is in cinemas now. That is just about it

:57:48. > :57:52.for tonight. On Sunday at 5:00pm on BBC Two, there's a Culture Show

:57:52. > :57:57.special on the best buildings of 2011. Next week, Mark Kermode will

:57:57. > :58:01.be talking all about Kevin and Grayson Perry will be settling in