:03:00. > :03:03.Hello and welcome to The Culture Show, from the new home of the
:03:03. > :03:09.University of The Central St Martins College of Art and Design.
:03:09. > :03:15.This week we are talking self-help, sensational cinema and the bookies'
:03:15. > :03:20.take on Man Booker Prize. Coming up: Untouchable. Old masters sidele
:03:20. > :03:24.up to the young bucks at Frieze. The politics of self-help and the
:03:24. > :03:31.latest odds for this year's Man Booker Prize.
:03:31. > :03:40.First up. Based on the true story of an unlikery friendship between a
:03:40. > :03:46.quadriplegic French arristow accurate and his carer from Arabic.
:03:46. > :03:52.Having recently opened here in the UK, will it have the same effect on
:03:52. > :04:02.British audiences of its box office hit in France? Ununsun the tale of
:04:02. > :04:06.Dris, played by OmarSye who finds a an escape from his past with a
:04:06. > :04:11.quadriplegic rich Parisian, living a deeply unhappy life.
:04:11. > :04:17.Goldie, welcome to The Culture Show. You and I both saw ununlast week. I
:04:17. > :04:23.think you enjoyed it more than I did, you laughed your head off.
:04:23. > :04:28.Did I? I was the person sitting next to you, sitting more quietly!
:04:28. > :04:30.You know what? The silhouette. I came in at the death as the titles
:04:31. > :04:37.came on. Tell me what you thought about the
:04:37. > :04:42.film, why you liked it so much? fell in love with it. Number one,
:04:42. > :04:48.the French have this odyssey with great films and an obscure
:04:48. > :04:51.soundtrack. Straight into Cool and the Gang and then Earth Wind and
:04:51. > :04:56.Fire. I thought it very unFrench if you like.
:04:56. > :05:01.One of the scenes that is being played is when Philippe has this
:05:01. > :05:08.music being played and Dris says he has had enough and gets his iPod
:05:08. > :05:13.and puts it on and starts to play Cool and the Gang. Tell me about
:05:13. > :05:18.that scene? You loved that, right? I think, LOL, mate if you come from
:05:18. > :05:22.where we have come from. Come from that area. Looking at the age of me.
:05:22. > :05:27.Looking at Dris, the age that he is. He is older than the normal street
:05:27. > :05:33.cat. His brother. He has done what his brother has done. Been on the
:05:33. > :05:38.hustle. He is inbetween getting his life sorted. He is a little wiser,
:05:38. > :05:44.we are there. That sum it is up. We are back in the day. He is
:05:44. > :05:49.celebrating. He is showing a two little foot shuffle. Boy, does he.
:05:49. > :05:56.Why couldn't it fall down that scene? He is busting great moves.
:05:56. > :06:01.The director, the first question he should have said was, "Can you
:06:01. > :06:11.dance well?". He told him to give him the lines. He smashed it to
:06:11. > :06:14.
:06:14. > :06:20.Reconnaissance man, Goldie, works across the cultural spectrum from
:06:20. > :06:24.graffiti artist and drum and base pine year to classical conductor.
:06:24. > :06:29.Untouchable plays off the clash between the two worlds between the
:06:29. > :06:34.interaction between the low-borrow Dris and the cultured Philippe.
:06:34. > :06:39.How close is that experience to anything you have Experianed, doing
:06:39. > :06:44.Maestro, you have not been classically trained, yet you get
:06:44. > :06:49.out there and understand the music as well as, if not better than most
:06:49. > :06:54.of the people you are surrounded by? I remember doing Beethoven. A
:06:54. > :07:00.violinist turned around and asked me if I wanted forte Messier. I
:07:00. > :07:05.thought, what does he mean? It was the volume being down or up. So
:07:05. > :07:08.thought, why not tell me that. Why not say down or up. Why gets fancy
:07:08. > :07:15.about it. I was just trying to learn something.
:07:15. > :07:19.Well, this guy is a conductor! is disgraceful, he can't even read
:07:19. > :07:23.music! You are a natural. You literally laughed out loud for
:07:23. > :07:28.most of the film. I think what surprised me was I thought it was
:07:28. > :07:33.fine, but I thought it was kind of sensemental. It felt it had the
:07:33. > :07:37.rough edges taken off. I this it is really spot on, man. I
:07:37. > :07:40.think it really is. To be honest, although I am laughing on the
:07:40. > :07:45.outside, there are moments that were touching for me.
:07:45. > :07:52.You have experience of the two worlds. How convincing did you find
:07:52. > :07:57.the film? I think as an artist, you know, I remember looking at
:07:57. > :08:01.abstract painting, thinking, what are you talking about? You are
:08:01. > :08:05.having a laugh. I did abstracts. It is only when you have gone through
:08:05. > :08:11.art that you understand what it means. The process. I have been
:08:11. > :08:15.there as a hard-core graffiti going, that is a pile of rubbish. That is
:08:15. > :08:20.thrown at the canvass. I think it could not have hit the nail on the
:08:20. > :08:24.head better. Man, I never liked olives when I was a nipper. Have a
:08:24. > :08:29.taste for green olives now it does not mean you are better than anyone
:08:29. > :08:33.else. It just means you now have an understanding of the art. If you
:08:33. > :08:38.can do growth well, you can do absolutely anything.
:08:38. > :08:42.So, theing it thing about this, from my position as a snot-nosed
:08:42. > :08:48.critic, doing this 20 years, my verdict is it is OK. It is not
:08:48. > :08:53.great, but it is OK. Your verdict, however is must-see? Have to. I
:08:53. > :08:59.said it my wife, I can't wait until it comes out. I have to see it
:08:59. > :09:03.again. It is a feelgood film. We don't have them. We have the
:09:03. > :09:07.fantasy of all ant asis, hanging from the plane at 30,000 feet. I
:09:07. > :09:12.don't want to see that. The French hope that Untouchable
:09:12. > :09:18.will be nominated for the Oscars. It sounds like your money is on it
:09:18. > :09:24.being an award contender? My money would be on it. If I'm gumless this
:09:24. > :09:29.time next year, you will realise I put my gold teeth on it. I think
:09:29. > :09:34.that this movie should be not just in the tick the box token gesture.
:09:34. > :09:41.I think that this movie desetbacks to be a winner.
:09:41. > :09:46.-- Deserves to be a winner. We will get in touch and see if you
:09:46. > :09:49.were right. I am tempted to think you may be right. It may be this
:09:49. > :09:53.year's Artist. It did not hit me that way, but you have almost
:09:53. > :09:58.convinced me. Thank you for coming. Thank you very much. Cool.
:09:58. > :10:02.Now, from the moment that the Man Booker Prize shortlist was
:10:02. > :10:06.announced last month, Will Self and Hilary Mantel have been jockeying
:10:06. > :10:12.for the position as the bookies' favourite. Both have form, but will
:10:12. > :10:16.the going be good on the day? Tim Samuels weigh up the odds and the
:10:16. > :10:21.outside bets. The race for Britain's most
:10:21. > :10:25.prestigious literary prize has begun. The bets are on.
:10:25. > :10:28.Six finalists have been chosen. There can only be one winner.
:10:28. > :10:33.Predicting who is going to scoop the �50,000 prize has become
:10:33. > :10:37.something of a sport. Each year the bookies offer their odds for the
:10:37. > :10:44.shortlisted six novels. Having a flutter on the Man Booker has
:10:44. > :10:48.become very popular. Anybody want to bet? Anyone want to
:10:49. > :10:54.oblige? Who are the bookies backing this year. The favourites are
:10:54. > :10:58.Hilary Mantel and Will Self. Meant Mantel's follow up to Wolf Hall
:10:58. > :11:04.continues her account of the tumultuous events at Henry VIII's
:11:04. > :11:10.court. Wolf Hall won a Man Booker three
:11:10. > :11:15.years ago, can Mantel do it a second time? Anybody want to bet?
:11:15. > :11:20.Will Self's Umbrella, is the story of a sleeping sickness epidemic
:11:20. > :11:25.after the First World War. A man is woken after 50 years in a cat tonic
:11:25. > :11:29.state. Alison Moore, the The Lighthouse is
:11:29. > :11:35.battles it out for fourth. The The Garden of Evening Mists is a story
:11:35. > :11:39.of love and guilt, set in Malaysia, after the Japanese occupation of
:11:39. > :11:47.the sword, by Tan Twan Eng. Alison Moore's the The Lighthouse,
:11:47. > :11:52.centres on a middle-age man's journey into his past. Fifth is
:11:52. > :11:55.Deborah Levy's Swimming Home. It is the unsettling account of two
:11:55. > :11:59.middle-class families, holidaying in France, whether a stranger
:11:59. > :12:07.arrives in their midst. At the bottom of the odds board with all
:12:08. > :12:11.of the bookies, Jeet Thayil with Narcopolis.
:12:11. > :12:16.The bobbing reflects the history of India through its changing drug
:12:16. > :12:21.culture. Anybody got any money? Come along.
:12:21. > :12:26.Pop it in. These all-important odds are put
:12:26. > :12:31.together by rather bookish bookies. How do you go about selecting the
:12:31. > :12:34.odds and pandemicing the -- picking the favourites? It is a case of
:12:34. > :12:40.getting in the heads of the panel that is difficult. Then getting in
:12:40. > :12:46.the heads of the people to have a bet. We knew that Will Self would
:12:46. > :12:52.be popular. Lots of people would want to back him. Lots of people
:12:53. > :12:57.backing Hilary Mantel as this is a second win possibly. You see on
:12:57. > :13:02.Twitter who is excited about the books, what is the buzz. We get
:13:02. > :13:06.there in seconds. That is good for us to turn the odds around quickly.
:13:06. > :13:11.You get some indication before the long list is out as people call you
:13:11. > :13:16.to fancy such and such a book. You think somebody is talking about a
:13:17. > :13:22.book and they fancy it, you lock it away. See if it is on the long list,
:13:22. > :13:26.when it comes out, you have checked the reviews, you have a feeling for
:13:26. > :13:29.the authors that are Man Booker- style winners and those that are
:13:29. > :13:33.not. You put the odds together and basically that represents your
:13:33. > :13:39.opinion until the time when the great British public get involved
:13:39. > :13:44.and distort it all for you? Do you read the books yourselves to make
:13:44. > :13:48.literary judgments? I used to make the mistakes of reading the books
:13:48. > :13:52.before doing the odds, but I realised before you read the book
:13:52. > :13:55.it distorts your own view of the chances of it winning the event. If
:13:55. > :14:01.you enjoyed the book you think to yourself that must have a good
:14:01. > :14:08.chance. Why? I'm not a judge. I prefer to read the books after.
:14:08. > :14:13.Have you have stinkers over the years? I got it badly wrong when
:14:13. > :14:18.Cloud Atlas was fancied. I thought it was one of the best books I had
:14:18. > :14:22.ever read. It was well turned over. So I stopped us winning a lot of
:14:22. > :14:26.money. You were allowing your only personal feelings to come into it?
:14:26. > :14:30.I was. It feels that you guys, setting the
:14:30. > :14:35.odds has become a part of the theatre of the Man Booker? It is.
:14:35. > :14:38.As soon as the lists are produced. The question is who is the
:14:38. > :14:42.favourite? Who is your personal favourite? I would opt for The
:14:42. > :14:45.Lighthouse. Narcopolis is the one that I enjoyed.
:14:45. > :14:52.The biggest outsider of them all, it is 8-1.
:14:52. > :14:56.Back it with me, I will give you 10-1.
:14:56. > :15:02.They are off. Looking at their past form, the
:15:02. > :15:06.bookies have not always got it right. Howard Jacobson with the
:15:06. > :15:10.Fink ler question, was a rank outsider. These were long shots,
:15:10. > :15:16.but they got it right last year with Barnes brns' Sense of Ending
:15:16. > :15:21.and in 2009 when Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel was the most better
:15:21. > :15:25.read book in Man Booker Prize history it ended up costing the
:15:25. > :15:30.bookies a small fortune. Now the race for the Man Booker has entered
:15:30. > :15:35.the final furlong. The winner is to be announced in less than a
:15:35. > :15:43.fortnight. Twil be a favourite, or can an outsider -- will it be a
:15:43. > :15:48.favourite, or can an outsider come through and pip them to the post?
:15:49. > :15:55.Well, we will find out the winner of this year's Man Booker Prize on
:15:55. > :16:00.the 16th October. Now, Frieze London, the annual contemporary art
:16:00. > :16:05.fair kicks off next week alongside the first edition of Frieze Masters.
:16:05. > :16:11.The masters work from the ancient era to the late 16th Century. Does
:16:11. > :16:21.this offer a unique perspective on the old and the new, or is it is
:16:21. > :16:22.
:16:22. > :16:27.cunning way it make a quick buck? Alastair Sooke investigates.
:16:27. > :16:31.Regent's Park is looking like a bit of a mess at the moment. This old
:16:31. > :16:35.construction site is to become a part of the Frieze Art Fair it open
:16:35. > :16:40.as week tomorrow it promises to transform the park into the
:16:40. > :16:46.epicentre of the global art market. Frieze London is now in its tenth
:16:46. > :16:52.year. It has grown into a massive event on the or the world calendar.
:16:52. > :16:56.It draws huge crowds, desperate to catch a glimpse of the hundreds of
:16:56. > :17:02.millions of pound of artwork up for sale.
:17:02. > :17:07.Buying art has become fashionable. It is easy to forget why you are an
:17:07. > :17:13.artist when you are there and are compared against all of these
:17:13. > :17:19.incredible, expensive, strat fairic pieces of work. Frieze presents
:17:19. > :17:26.itself as an important cultural event. It has been popular in the
:17:26. > :17:28.past decade, but it is also at root a trade fair. The organisers set up
:17:29. > :17:33.a huge marque and invite the business dealers to hawk their
:17:33. > :17:37.wares to the biggest collectors in the world. All of them sharp
:17:37. > :17:39.elbowed and ravenous to pick up and to collect the next big thing in
:17:39. > :17:45.art. The whole point of Frieze is that
:17:45. > :17:48.since it began it specialised in contemporary art exclusively, in
:17:48. > :17:52.art created since the year 2000, but this year the organisers are
:17:52. > :17:56.doing something different. They are looking in the other direction and
:17:56. > :18:06.creating a parallel event here to be called Frieze Masters it will
:18:06. > :18:10.
:18:11. > :18:16.showcase art, some of which is 4,000 years old.
:18:16. > :18:21.In Frieze Masters it is art made before the year 2000. So 20th
:18:21. > :18:27.century art, old masters, ancient art, tribal art. Every year we have
:18:27. > :18:32.approaches from gallery who want to be a part of it, but Frieze is so
:18:32. > :18:37.contemporary it does not make sense for them to be there. So this got
:18:37. > :18:41.us think being the demand from everyelse around the world. I am
:18:41. > :18:47.fascinated to see how it will work. The old masters in a separate tent
:18:47. > :18:50.and the teenagers having fun in theirs? Frieze Masters will offer a
:18:50. > :18:55.unique perspective on the relationship between old and new
:18:55. > :19:00.art. A dialogue between the contemporary and the classic art,
:19:00. > :19:06.but are there benefits to displaying art from different eras
:19:06. > :19:08.alongside each other? This robot did carve that? It did in the
:19:08. > :19:12.studio. Conrad Shawcross is a successful
:19:12. > :19:17.British artist who wrestled with the question of the old versus the
:19:17. > :19:21.new. He normally makes abstract work that explores science and
:19:21. > :19:25.cosmology. This summer he displayed work at the National Gallery,
:19:25. > :19:30.responding to the 16th Century paintings of Titian.
:19:30. > :19:34.It was out of my normal comfort zone, but very liberating.
:19:34. > :19:39.The whole idea behind Frieze Masters is similar. That we may get
:19:39. > :19:43.the dialogue between the old and the new. Can that happen, back and
:19:43. > :19:47.forth between the two different fairs? I think so it. Is a problem
:19:47. > :19:52.with the old painters when you walk past that you are familiar with the
:19:52. > :19:56.process. There is a sense that they have become a part of our lexicon.
:19:56. > :20:00.We overlook them? Yes, it is difficult to look at them as
:20:00. > :20:03.something astonishing. So a solution is to juxtapose them to.
:20:03. > :20:08.Create new foils for them. Everything was once contemporary.
:20:08. > :20:13.Everything once was pine yearing. As well as the curatorial
:20:13. > :20:16.justification for including old masters at this year's Frieze, it
:20:16. > :20:22.may provide those exhibiting, a chance to bring their rarified
:20:22. > :20:27.world to a wider audience. The rational for your as an old
:20:27. > :20:32.masters dealer to exhibit and show work at Frieze Masters is to cash
:20:32. > :20:36.in, to take advantage of the glamour that is associated with
:20:36. > :20:41.Frieze London? It is a huge world. My world, the world of late
:20:41. > :20:46.medieval art is a small number of people. They almost all know each
:20:46. > :20:49.other, the people that love. This whilst there is tens of thousands,
:20:49. > :20:54.hundreds of thousands of people interested in contemporary art.
:20:54. > :20:58.This is a good way for us to broaden out to access that.
:20:58. > :21:03.Maybe I'm being cynical. Here is a fair way of you deliberately
:21:03. > :21:07.bringing in old pictures it is like they help to validate the new stuff
:21:07. > :21:12.it seems like a canny move on the part of Frieze, that this is a
:21:12. > :21:16.clever business move as much as anything else. Is that fair? We are
:21:16. > :21:20.a business. There is a commercial element to it. I think that make it
:21:20. > :21:26.is exciting. I think that people will be really blown away at Frieze
:21:26. > :21:31.Masters when they find out what you can buy at the fair.
:21:31. > :21:36.So, what are you going to take and sell at Frieze Masters? Take for
:21:36. > :21:43.sure, sale I will let you know after the fair. I am not a magician,
:21:43. > :21:46.yet. I will build a stand cons straiting on the 14th, 15th and
:21:47. > :21:52.16th Century. These are the paintings. Some of which we are
:21:52. > :21:56.taking to Frieze Masters. Are you taking all of them? Yes.
:21:56. > :22:02.Mere is a small selection. Maybe we can make a deal.
:22:02. > :22:07.Let's talk prices and we'll see. What do we have here? Let's start
:22:07. > :22:11.with this beautiful crucifixion. This piece is going to have a very
:22:11. > :22:16.important place in the stand it is so modern it is timeless, this
:22:16. > :22:22.piece. Of course, we have to talk prices...
:22:23. > :22:30.Now we speak of the vulgar part. Forgive me! We are going to ask, I
:22:30. > :22:33.don't know the perfect figure, but it is about 800,000 Euros, about 66
:22:33. > :22:43.50,000. How much did you buy it for?
:22:43. > :22:47.
:22:47. > :22:52.don't know. Of course you do? I forgot.
:22:52. > :22:56.It is the business of a dealer. Including the frame how much is the
:22:56. > :23:01.picture on the stand? We are asking about half a million pounds.
:23:01. > :23:06.You want to make an offer? We can do a deal in front of the camera.
:23:06. > :23:11.I'm trying to buy a new flat. I'm not sure I will have enough money!
:23:11. > :23:16.Are you hoping to attract a new type of buyer? Yes, I would love to
:23:16. > :23:20.find a new buyer. Maybe young buyers. I am 35. I don't have a
:23:20. > :23:26.customer of my age. Is it possibly because the prices
:23:26. > :23:30.are too high? No, I think it is a problem of culture, a problem to
:23:30. > :23:35.make them understand, the young collectors, that there is a changes
:23:35. > :23:41.to buy also a masters. Good luck. I will be intrigued to
:23:41. > :23:44.see if... We need it. Do you think that you do?
:23:44. > :23:51.Especially now. Life is destiny.
:23:51. > :23:55.Over the past decade, Frieze has been a rampant success. Popular,
:23:55. > :24:00.visited by 60,000 people a year. Only time will tell if the sheen
:24:00. > :24:03.will rub off on Frieze Masters. It does not surprise me in the least,
:24:03. > :24:09.that all of the old master picture dealers are clamouring for the
:24:09. > :24:12.chance to muscle in on the action. Frieze and Frieze Masters is in
:24:12. > :24:18.Regent's Park London from the 11th to the 14th of October. Now, what
:24:18. > :24:21.is the world of self-help to do with politics? These days a lot.
:24:21. > :24:27.With conference season in full swing. It seems that all political
:24:27. > :24:33.parties are trying to claim the Mantel of self-help and mutual
:24:33. > :24:41.improvement their own. Is the mock genre of self-help finally becoming
:24:41. > :24:44.respectable? Julian Evans investigates.
:24:44. > :24:50.Hi, my name is Jules. I write self- help.
:24:50. > :24:54.I started when I was younger. Just for fun. Pamphlets. I thought it
:24:54. > :24:59.may help people. I didn't realise it was so shameful.
:24:59. > :25:05.It is like when a book reviewer wants to trash a book.
:25:05. > :25:09.The worst insult that they can throw at it is calling it self-
:25:10. > :25:14.help.If You are writing self-help, everyone assumes you are a
:25:14. > :25:21.neoliberal capitalist. I voted Lib Dem! The worst is that everyone
:25:21. > :25:23.thinks that self-help is stupid. I think I should write something more
:25:24. > :25:29.soberally acceptable. Like bondage porn.
:25:29. > :25:35.Is there any more a maligned genre than self-help? Sure a lot is awful.
:25:35. > :25:41.You can drown in all of that chicken soup for the soul. A lot is
:25:41. > :25:47.badly written. Full of pointless acronyms. Books like the The Secret,
:25:47. > :25:53.which claim you can get anything you want in life simply by wishing
:25:53. > :25:56.for it, pretty pointless. But I think that self-self-help has
:25:56. > :26:05.been unfairly written off. If you look at the origins, it is more
:26:05. > :26:10.credible than you think. The roots of self-help lie in
:26:10. > :26:16.ancient Greek philosophy. Socrates and followers insisted that
:26:16. > :26:21.philosophy teaches to us take care of our souls to become the doctors
:26:21. > :26:28.of ourselves. A century after Socrates, the stoics said that this
:26:28. > :26:35.was a form of emotional they werey. We can change how we feel by the
:26:35. > :26:41.way that we think. Stoics have the reputation of being repressed, but
:26:41. > :26:48.they wrote stacks of books and letters, giving advice as to how to
:26:48. > :26:53.overcome problems. In the 20th century, the Greek's ideas were
:26:53. > :26:57.rediscovered like Dale Carnegie and Eckhart Tolle and by contemporary
:26:57. > :27:02.psychologists, who used it as the foundation of cognitive behavioral
:27:02. > :27:08.therapy. The inventor of cognitive behavioral therapy, Albert Ellis,
:27:08. > :27:11.was inspired by stoic philosophy. Now governments are seizing on the
:27:11. > :27:16.new scientifically credible form of self-help and are busy rolling it
:27:16. > :27:21.out to citizens. In the UK the Labour and the Conservative parties
:27:21. > :27:25.have gone on board the happiness train. When did politics get so
:27:25. > :27:29.touchy Fehily? The Conservative Party has long had a tradition of
:27:29. > :27:34.promoting self-reliance. Notions of people looking after
:27:34. > :27:36.themselves, a notion of being dependant on the state and large
:27:36. > :27:41.bureaucratic organisations is somehow not a good thing for people.
:27:41. > :27:44.So, is David Cameron trying to move to a different type of self-help?
:27:44. > :27:48.think that David Cameron wants to distance himself from the notion of
:27:49. > :27:53.the Tories as the nasty party. He wants the Conservatives to be a
:27:53. > :27:57.party who believe in a small state, but also believe in self-reliance
:27:57. > :28:02.and collective self-reliance rather than individual it involves
:28:02. > :28:06.charities, people using free time. Social entrepreneurs come up with
:28:06. > :28:11.solutions to problems traditionally dealt with by the state. How about
:28:11. > :28:15.Ed Miliband, how is he and the Labour Party influenced by self-
:28:15. > :28:20.help? They are going back to the early days of the Labour movement
:28:20. > :28:25.that rose from the outside of the state, in civil society at grass
:28:25. > :28:30.roots level with things like Co- Operatives, friendly societies.
:28:30. > :28:34.Things that were happening in a bottom-up way. One of the ways that
:28:34. > :28:39.that it coming back is that there is discussion in the Labour Party,
:28:39. > :28:48.the meaning of the good life. What does it mean to lead a good life
:28:48. > :28:50.and to roll back the values of the what the common good could be.
:28:51. > :28:54.Could the political emphasis on self-help abcover for cutting
:28:54. > :28:57.public sectors? To be fair to the policy makers, clearly it is better
:28:58. > :29:01.for the people themselves if they are not dependant on the welfare
:29:01. > :29:06.state or the National Health Service or the Social Services, but
:29:06. > :29:13.there are huge cuts being made to the size of the state. Lots of this
:29:13. > :29:17.talk of civil society, charity, big society, so on, does provide a
:29:17. > :29:22.figure leaf and is sweetening the pill of really harsh, economic
:29:22. > :29:27.policies. But maybe there is a third way.
:29:27. > :29:31.Where self-help groups work in partnership with the welfare state.
:29:31. > :29:35.Self-help groups are not inherently libertarian or laissez faire. They
:29:35. > :29:42.can genuinely help people. Self- help books can help people. Perhaps
:29:42. > :29:48.one day, we can finally admit that at polite dinner parties up and
:29:48. > :29:54.down the country that we write self-help books. Thank you.