:00:23. > :00:27.with Matt Baker... And Alex Jones. Tonight's guest is a singer
:00:27. > :00:33.songwriter, who started out as Genevieve, then known as Alf, but
:00:33. > :00:37.over the past 30 years, we have known her for her unmistakable
:00:37. > :00:40.voice... # It's that old devil called love
:00:40. > :00:45.again. # I'm all cried out
:00:45. > :00:54.# You took a whole lot of loving for a handful of nothing.
:00:54. > :00:59.# We all need a love # Just a little bit of divine
:00:59. > :01:05.intervention. # I'm never gonna let you go
:01:05. > :01:07.# Don't go! It is, of course, Alison Moyet!
:01:07. > :01:11.APPLAUSE We were bopping there! Wonderful to
:01:11. > :01:17.have you here, Alison. You are looking fantastic as well.
:01:17. > :01:25.Can we ask, first of all, where did the nickname Alf come from? I was
:01:25. > :01:30.like a Boyce rouse teenager, so when I was asked me name, I would say
:01:30. > :01:35."Alf." I I liked it so I kept it. . Do you your friends still call you
:01:35. > :01:39.Alf? My old friends do, yeah. I am sure that everyone is delighted
:01:39. > :01:43.to hear that you are back in the studio and with a new album out as
:01:43. > :01:49.well. Looking forward to talking to you about that.
:01:49. > :01:57.Fantastic. And then Marty Jopson is looking to
:01:58. > :02:04.fold a piece of paper many times. He has a piece of paper that is 3000m.
:02:04. > :02:09.My goodness. As we are on a paper-folding theme, top origami
:02:09. > :02:12.expert, Mark Bolitho is here, making a sculpture for us in the studio,
:02:12. > :02:16.all will unfold later on. Cheers, Mark.
:02:16. > :02:20.If you have a sheet of paper to hand, we want to see what you can
:02:20. > :02:25.make. Of course! We want to see your best origami creations.
:02:25. > :02:31.That would be lovely. Earlier this year, Iwan Thomas visited Cheshire
:02:31. > :02:35.to see how the engineers were repairing a hole on the side of a
:02:35. > :02:40.flood-damaged canal. It is now three months later and
:02:40. > :02:47.Iwan has good news? I have cracking news. I visited before, this place
:02:47. > :02:54.was carn agenda, but tonight loads of locals have turned out. Loads of
:02:54. > :03:01.people are here, it is the grand re-opening of the canal. It did not
:03:01. > :03:06.look like this a few years ago. On the 26th of December, this year,
:03:06. > :03:08.floods destroyed this historic waterway. The reason was that 2012
:03:08. > :03:15.was the second wettest year on record.
:03:15. > :03:19.I was struck by the scale of the destruction hole and the hole left
:03:19. > :03:25.on the embankment. It is hard to describe the sheer devastation
:03:25. > :03:29.caused but to put it in perspective, where I am standing, you could fit
:03:29. > :03:37.12 double-decker buses! Then started the job for the can l and river
:03:37. > :03:40.Trust to return this stretch of waterway to its former glory.
:03:40. > :03:44.I'm with Vince Moran. You are the operations director here at the
:03:44. > :03:50.Trust. You have done a fantastic job. I was here before, I must say
:03:50. > :03:55.that this looks great. How much did it cost? Well, with welcome
:03:55. > :04:00.donations from people from the YMC A, it was just over �2 million.
:04:00. > :04:06.Was it on time? Thanks to the work from our engineers and volunteers
:04:06. > :04:12.and the contractors, here we are. You are a man of your words. Join us
:04:12. > :04:16.later for a whole flotilla of boats here, there will be ramblers and
:04:16. > :04:22.walkers and I am privileged as I will be the first to go down the
:04:22. > :04:28.canal. Well, a flotilla of boats. A special
:04:28. > :04:34.occasion, covered by the BBC, what could possibly go wrong? ! Now, over
:04:34. > :04:40.the last decade, the percent agenda of British people who own their home
:04:40. > :04:46.has fallen to its lowest level. But the percent agenda of people
:04:46. > :04:53.renting has risen for the first time since 1918, but it does not mean it
:04:53. > :04:58.is looking Rosie for the landlords. 8. 30am. For most, an opportunity
:04:58. > :05:02.for a lie-had in but for this man, this is his prime slot.
:05:02. > :05:07.Good morning, Paul, what are we doing up at the crack of dawn on a
:05:07. > :05:10.Saturday morning? We are here to serve a legal notice on a tennants.
:05:10. > :05:15.He is outstanding more than two months rent.
:05:15. > :05:20.So, how prevalent is this? Well, people are struggling to generally
:05:20. > :05:24.pay the bills. You have more amateur landlords coming into the
:05:24. > :05:29.marketplace that are not managing and a massive lack of social
:05:29. > :05:33.housing. Councils relying on the private sector, landlords, to rent
:05:33. > :05:38.to tennants. During the housing boom, buy to let
:05:38. > :05:44.was seen as a way of making money. Some landlords like the security of
:05:44. > :05:48.those on housing benefits, as it was paid directly to the landlord, but
:05:48. > :05:52.in 2008, Housing Benefit changed. Instead of the money going to the
:05:52. > :05:58.landlord it went to the Tennant, responsible for paying the rent.
:05:58. > :06:03.This was thought to be empowering, but the National Landlord's
:06:03. > :06:08.Association said it led to over �220 million of rent arrears for its
:06:08. > :06:11.members. Here these people have become
:06:11. > :06:16.amateur landlords when they bought a new family home together and decided
:06:16. > :06:21.to rent out Sandra's old house. How long have they not been paying
:06:21. > :06:25.rent for? Three months in arrears. What does it mean financially?
:06:25. > :06:29.have put the mortgage on credit cards. We have asked family to lend
:06:29. > :06:34.us money as well to get through the next few months.
:06:34. > :06:38.Who do you feel most let down by? would say the tennants. The money
:06:38. > :06:42.was given to them, all they had to do was give it to us.
:06:42. > :06:49.How concerned are you by what happens to the tennants if they are
:06:49. > :06:54.evicted? I don't care. I know that happens -- sound awful. I know that
:06:54. > :06:59.they will be given probably a nice new four bedroom house, so they will
:06:59. > :07:02.be better off than we will. A third of Housing Benefit claimants
:07:02. > :07:07.rent from private landlords. The other two thirds are in social
:07:07. > :07:11.housing. Their rent is paid directly to the landlord, but that is about
:07:11. > :07:15.to change with the introduction of universal credit. Where the
:07:15. > :07:18.claimants get a lump sum paid into the bank account, to include the
:07:18. > :07:23.Housing Benefit. Southwark council has been taking part in a project
:07:23. > :07:28.for almost a year. It has noticed problems with the rent.
:07:28. > :07:35.People have gotten into a month or two months arrear, we are looking,
:07:35. > :07:39.if it were the whole of the councils tennants, we are looking at an extra
:07:39. > :07:45.�14 million arrearses. Really? Yes. It could increase the
:07:45. > :07:50.rent arrears by at least �14 million a year. We have had to develop a lot
:07:50. > :07:57.more time to supporting people in the process. We have learned that
:07:57. > :08:00.there need to be s in order for it to be rolled out across the country.
:08:00. > :08:04.There will be people falling into rent arrears and then facing
:08:04. > :08:09.eviction. That will add a greater burden to the public purse.
:08:09. > :08:14.Other councils in the scheme have experienced similar issues. The
:08:14. > :08:18.Department for Work and Pensions said that paying housing costs to
:08:18. > :08:22.claimants allows them to take greater responsibility for finances
:08:22. > :08:27.and break as barrier that people face when moving into work. Pro
:08:27. > :08:32.etext is to be in place for tennants and landlords if a claimant falls
:08:32. > :08:38.behind with the rent, but for Sandra and Steve, the system allows two
:08:38. > :08:45.months of arrears before action is taken. That means that Paul is still
:08:45. > :08:50.busy serving rent Marks & Spencer and eviction notices.
:08:50. > :08:54.-- notices. There is a lot at steak, both
:08:54. > :08:58.Tennant and the landlord could loose their property.
:08:58. > :09:03.That was not the response you were looking for? No, you want someone to
:09:03. > :09:07.answer the door, and then I can tell them why I'm serving notice.
:09:07. > :09:12.The Tennant may not have answered the door to Paul but later they
:09:12. > :09:14.answered the door to us. Steve disputes the rent arrears but is
:09:14. > :09:18.having problems with the current benefit system.
:09:18. > :09:23.Are you struggling to pay the rent? And are you struggling more
:09:24. > :09:27.generally with other bills? Yes. So would you rather that the council
:09:27. > :09:32.paid the Housing Benefit straight to the landlord? It would be years. We
:09:32. > :09:36.are a family of six. The shopping bill is over �100. Then with the
:09:36. > :09:38.gas, electric and petrol, something there is nothing to make up the
:09:38. > :09:41.difference. I would rather that the money go to
:09:41. > :09:44.the landlord. It is one less thing to worry about.
:09:44. > :09:47.Thank you. It is interesting that both parties
:09:47. > :09:52.are saying the same. Thank you very much.
:09:52. > :09:56.Alison, we were saying, it has been a while since you had an album out,
:09:56. > :10:02.the new one is out on Monday. So exciting times? It is very exciting.
:10:02. > :10:07.I had a hard time making it. Someone of my age, they expect corp albums,
:10:07. > :10:13.it is hard to find a record company that wants original material.
:10:13. > :10:17.Why did you call it The Minutes? feel at a certain age you have been
:10:17. > :10:23.sold an idea that your life is joyful and everyone is getting it
:10:23. > :10:28.right, you may be getting it wrong but the truth is that real joyful
:10:28. > :10:32.times are happening in minutes that are strung in pedestrian years. I
:10:32. > :10:37.made a huge effort to make the album, those are some of my minutes.
:10:38. > :10:41.Let's have a listen to the first single on the album, called When I
:10:41. > :10:47.Was Your Girl. # Then today
:10:47. > :10:57.# All the night came away # All the tears I tried to stain
:10:57. > :10:57.
:10:57. > :11:06.# You were never satisfied # When I was your girl
:11:06. > :11:11.APPLAUSE It is a brilliant single. .
:11:11. > :11:18.It is having a lot of air play. That is a lovely concept as that is your
:11:18. > :11:22.girl? That is my girl. That was on South End pier. About that day the
:11:22. > :11:27.heavens opened it rained all day. We got about three passes! It was
:11:28. > :11:33.terrible. Nothing to edit with. The poor soul, it was the first time she
:11:33. > :11:38.was doing filming. Was that your idea? I wanted to take
:11:38. > :11:42.my daughter to work day! I liked the idea of that, but there was not much
:11:42. > :11:46.else that they could cut in. She was pushed, bless her.
:11:46. > :11:53.It looks lovely, though, the video. You are touring as well? Yeah,
:11:53. > :11:57.touring in the autumn. What is fantastic, this is a electr album,
:11:57. > :12:05.the touring is programmes, computers, screens, so I can revisit
:12:05. > :12:09.some of the Yazoo material. I bass read reading you saying that
:12:09. > :12:14.this is one of the best times you have had with music? It is
:12:15. > :12:20.brilliant. I had help with my producer. We had no arguments. That
:12:20. > :12:25.was amazing for me. I didn't having a argument! Fantastic! Will this be
:12:25. > :12:30.the last album, or will there be more? You never know. I like to see
:12:30. > :12:36.a chinning of light. If there is too much work I get cabin fever. Don't
:12:36. > :12:38.tell me what is happening tomorrow. This is superb. The Minutes is out
:12:38. > :12:43.on Monday. When I Was Your Girl is available now.
:12:43. > :12:49.On the subject of albums, if you thought downloading would mean the
:12:49. > :12:57.death of the compilation album, Alison will tell you are wrong. .
:12:57. > :13:02.You are wrong! One in five albums sold is a compilation. Now Now
:13:02. > :13:08.That's What I Call Music 84 is the fastest selling album of 2013.
:13:08. > :13:12.40 years ago another compilation topped the charts by copying the
:13:12. > :13:17.Tops. -- Pops. Here is Carrie Grant. When I was
:13:17. > :13:21.growing up, Sunday was always the Chart Show on radio One. Thursday
:13:21. > :13:25.was Top Of The Pops night. Kids like me built their lives around the two
:13:25. > :13:29.events. They told us the latest music and the records we should be
:13:29. > :13:35.buying. If you are a certain age, you could go to the local store and
:13:35. > :13:41.buy a whole top of the pops album of hits for the same price as a single.
:13:41. > :13:47.Between the years 1968 and 1984, the albums cashed in on the success of
:13:47. > :13:51.the real Top Of The Pops by offering cover versions. They became chat
:13:52. > :13:56.toppers in their own right. So who was behind the albums and how did
:13:56. > :14:00.they get away with it? Keith Richards is fascinated by the
:14:00. > :14:06.albums. Where did it start? It was the idea
:14:06. > :14:11.of a chap called Alan Crawford. He came up with the name Top Of The
:14:11. > :14:17.Pops. That was the name of the pop show. That was the master show. Most
:14:17. > :14:20.people, myself included, assumed that the LPs were related to the
:14:20. > :14:25.television programme. But it was not? It had nothing to do
:14:25. > :14:33.with the television series, but amazingly, the BBC had not
:14:33. > :14:43.trademarked the and Alan was free to use the name for his LPs. Two albums
:14:43. > :14:58.
:14:58. > :15:03.topped the charts. The reason they but Marty Jay. He sang on 200 of Top
:15:03. > :15:08.of the Pops cover versions. 30 years since the release of the last album
:15:08. > :15:13.I'm going to meet this secret popstar. How were you expected to
:15:13. > :15:18.learn the songs? You were expected to go and buy the record. You would
:15:18. > :15:22.hunt around for the record. You would write the lyrics down your
:15:22. > :15:27.self-. If you wrote the lyrics down by hand, you, by the time you got to
:15:27. > :15:32.the end of it, you pretty much knew the song. Sglp was the recording
:15:32. > :15:38.process fast? They would do 12 tracks in a day. I want to see if
:15:38. > :15:45.you have your chops today! Are you sure? I will send you to a studio
:15:45. > :15:55.and see if you can sing some of those old Top of the Pops songs. We
:15:55. > :15:55.
:15:55. > :16:01.have T-Rex with 20th K century Boy. # Everybody says it's just like
:16:01. > :16:11.rock-and-roll... # Excellent. I love it! The next one I
:16:11. > :16:12.
:16:12. > :16:22.will give him is by this fella, Dave Edmonds. In 19 70 you were at No 1
:16:22. > :16:24.
:16:24. > :16:32.for six weeks, the song was called? I Hear You Knocking.
:16:32. > :16:37.# I hear you knocking, but you can't come in... #
:16:37. > :16:45.First thoughts? I thought this was a regard no couldn't be covered. I
:16:45. > :16:53.think I'm right. I don't I do not think the record companies were
:16:53. > :16:58.happy. Shall we see Martin? Let him out of Mississippiery. Martin has
:16:58. > :17:06.never met any of the singers he covered before. He has no idea that
:17:06. > :17:11.Dave is herelet. -- here. We heart Martin. How about the two of you
:17:11. > :17:15.together? Is this a first? A chart-topping musician singing
:17:15. > :17:19.alongside an unknown Top of the Pops cover singer?
:17:19. > :17:24.# You went away and left me a long time ago
:17:24. > :17:33.# Now you're knocking on my door # I hear you knock knocking
:17:33. > :17:39.# But you can't come in... # The final Top of the Pops album hit
:17:40. > :17:43.the shops in 19 84. By then a new era of compilation albums arrived.
:17:44. > :17:51.These hits were the real deal. Looking back, I'm surprised they got
:17:51. > :17:56.away with it so long. Wow, his face there. He didn't look too happy?
:17:56. > :18:01.wasn't best pleased. How did you feel Wen people covered your songs,
:18:01. > :18:05.Tom Jones did the Situation, didn't he? I love. It I'm not precious. If
:18:05. > :18:11.you write a book why should you judge who reads it. It proves it is
:18:11. > :18:20.a good song. It is flattering and plus you make money. You had some of
:18:20. > :18:26.the tops of the pops albums? I loved them. You won them at the school fet
:18:26. > :18:33.Ted -- fete. Can you guess who this is singing a cover version of Snake
:18:33. > :18:43.in the Grass. There is the album cover. It is there. Let us listen to
:18:43. > :18:47.
:18:47. > :18:52.how the song sounded. Very famous singer now this guy. OK. We have a
:18:52. > :18:59.silhouette for you, as if that is going to help at all. It's tough.
:18:59. > :19:09.was thinking, is he Australian? plays a piano. He hasn't confirmed
:19:09. > :19:11.
:19:11. > :19:19.that was him doing it. Leo Sawyer. Begins with an "E"? Elton. Elton
:19:19. > :19:26.Jarvis! Some may say that he did it. Earlier we asked you to send
:19:26. > :19:36.pictures of your paper folding efforts. We have a few. Alison shows
:19:36. > :19:36.
:19:36. > :19:44.yours. My brother George made this. A swan. A lot of time and effort
:19:44. > :19:51.went into that one. This is dragon I make one every time I advice ate
:19:51. > :19:55.hotel in Wales. There is one there. Not to be out done here is Marty
:19:55. > :20:00.Jopson with his own record-breaking paper folding attempt. Take a piece
:20:00. > :20:10.of Afghanistan 4 paper, fold it in half, folded it in half again and
:20:10. > :20:20.
:20:20. > :20:22.keep going. How many times can you six. Seventh one. I might need a
:20:22. > :20:28.hammer. Crazy as it may sound, it's math matically impossible to fold a
:20:28. > :20:32.sheet of A4 paper like this in half more than seven times. The problem
:20:32. > :20:42.is, every time I make a fold the paper shrinks in length and doubles
:20:42. > :20:46.in height. This is happening at what is known as an ex-spend nonceial
:20:46. > :20:55.rate. Quickly I run out of paper. If you want more folds you need more
:20:55. > :21:03.paper. To find out how much more paper we need a clever calculation.
:21:03. > :21:09.In 2002, 16-year-old California Brittany Galvan came up with an
:21:09. > :21:19.equation tae tells you how much paper you need to give you a given
:21:19. > :21:21.
:21:21. > :21:27.number of folds. To find out more I'm meeting Dr Nick let Rattenbury.
:21:27. > :21:34.We have T which is the thickness of the paper we are working with. N is
:21:34. > :21:41.the number of folds that we want to be able to make. I want to try and
:21:42. > :21:47.beat Brittany's 12 folds. How much paper will I need to make 13?
:21:47. > :21:55.Thickness is 58 millionths of a meter. We will have to increase our
:21:55. > :21:59.N by one. We have 13. This will be a big number, isn't it? The equation
:21:59. > :22:05.tells us we need more than 2,000 meters of paper. To be safe we are
:22:05. > :22:10.going to use more. I would suggest using 3,000 meters. Nearly two miles
:22:10. > :22:20.of paper. It's an epic amount of paper. Now, we need somewhere
:22:20. > :22:24.equally epic to fold it. This is it, deep below Kilder Water in
:22:24. > :22:32.Northumberland is an enormous tunnel and a team of volunteers waiting to
:22:32. > :22:36.help me plus an ultra long, ultra thing roll of newspaper print. We
:22:36. > :22:42.are ready to start folding paper. This tunnel is big, but not quite
:22:42. > :22:48.big enough. To make our first fold we need to unravel a mile of paper.
:22:48. > :22:55.It means snaking the paper up-and-down the tunnel five times.
:22:55. > :23:03.We are ready for the first fold. down, 12 to go. Our specially cut
:23:03. > :23:09.paper is incredibly thin. It's also incredibly fragile. No, it's torn!
:23:09. > :23:19.After the first four folds, our paper has shrunk from 3,000 meters
:23:19. > :23:21.
:23:21. > :23:26.to less than 200 making it easier to manage. That is fold number seven.
:23:26. > :23:36.It's what you get if you started with an A4 sheet of paper. Let us
:23:36. > :23:38.
:23:38. > :23:43.hope we can get a few more folds. We are 12 hours and 12 folds in. This
:23:43. > :23:51.has equaled the world record. Are you ready, chaps, ladies? Here we
:23:51. > :24:01.go. Now is our big moment. We are trying to fold po more than 4,000
:24:01. > :24:01.
:24:01. > :24:07.layers of paper. The pole is going. It was a split second. It looks like
:24:07. > :24:12.we made 13. What does paper folding pioneer think of our achievement?
:24:12. > :24:21.It's a great accomplishment. I'm really proud that someone is trying
:24:21. > :24:26.to take on the challenge. When are we doing 14 folds? Oh, no! Not 14!
:24:26. > :24:35.14 folds that would take five miles of paper. I'm pretty pleased with
:24:35. > :24:40.13. That was challenging enough. We are joined by Mark our origami
:24:40. > :24:49.expert. Surrounded by your amazing creations. Thank you very much.
:24:49. > :24:53.are the Chair of the British Origami Society. Yes. It's one of the oldest
:24:53. > :25:01.societies in the world for origami. What is the strangest request you
:25:01. > :25:08.have been commissioned? I have made a diesel engine, animals, giant
:25:08. > :25:12.gorilla, a massive parrot. What size gorilla? My size. Alison has been
:25:12. > :25:18.inspired by all of this. She hit us with this wonderful thing, you can
:25:18. > :25:23.rip a piece of paper so many ways you can climb through it. I have a
:25:23. > :25:28.horrible feeling it will not happen. I'm wasting trees. Have a look at
:25:28. > :25:34.what Mark has been doing. You have been here since lunch. You have been
:25:34. > :25:39.folding ever since. It's a bigger square of paper. You can see me in
:25:39. > :25:44.action. Racing around. How many folds? There could be 100.100
:25:44. > :25:51.folds. It is easier, if it's smaller it's easier. This make it is look
:25:51. > :25:57.accessible. It looks impressive. What do you think it might be?
:25:57. > :26:06.small yacht. At apprentice has become the master. We will unveil
:26:06. > :26:11.your creation. It's a rhino. A white rhino. Isn't that beautiful. Thank
:26:11. > :26:17.you. Do stay with us to find out if the Alison can get through her own
:26:17. > :26:22.piece of paper. Don't hang around too long. You carry on. Time back to
:26:22. > :26:29.Iwan on the Trent and Mersey canal for the grand reopening. Are you
:26:29. > :26:32.ready? I'm ready. I'm so excited. I feel privileged. In a minute I will
:26:32. > :26:36.breakthrough the ribbon. The crowds are brilliant. The people have
:26:36. > :26:42.turned out. It illustrates how important this stretch of the canal
:26:42. > :26:45.is. When it burst its banks last year it was not a good time. We have
:26:45. > :26:53.ramblers, dog walkers, bands and loads of boats. I have a very, very
:26:53. > :26:56.important boat behind me. It's very historic, that is the Pava, it was
:26:56. > :27:02.built by Harland and Woolf. They are the shipbuilders that built the
:27:02. > :27:05.Titanic. I have been here all day, the sun has been out. There is no
:27:06. > :27:10.Eisenbergs around here. Someone who is not frosty is Belinda. You run
:27:10. > :27:15.the local tea room, you were one of the first people here to see the
:27:15. > :27:21.canal burst? I was, yes. It was scary. You are dressed for the
:27:21. > :27:25.occasion? Boat costume.Was bad for local businesses? All the boat
:27:25. > :27:31.businesses. Fantastic reopening. are really excited? I'm so excited.
:27:31. > :27:41.I am. I have seen this place trance ford formed. Are you all excited?
:27:41. > :27:45.Come on! Some of the workers are there. You have done a great job. I
:27:45. > :27:53.want a massive cheer when we go through here. We will go through in
:27:53. > :28:01.10 seconds. I feel privileged to be here. Speed it up. In about 5, 4, 3,
:28:01. > :28:07.2, 1. Here we go! YES! We've done it. One of the first boats, the
:28:07. > :28:12.first boat down here. I feel very, very PLIF ledged indeed. Look at the
:28:12. > :28:22.atmosphere. Everyone is so proud. Do you know what, here is another 250
:28:22. > :28:26.years to boats coming down this canal. It's an amazing place.
:28:26. > :28:33.looks like a lovely evening in Dutton. Congratulations to everyone
:28:33. > :28:38.involved. Thank you recall for your creation. This is a tulip. Amy from
:28:38. > :28:43.Bristol sent this in. Her boyfriend Jason made it for her. This is from
:28:43. > :28:49.Emma. Thank you. Isn't that lovely. That is a nice one. This apparently
:28:49. > :28:57.is some kind of alien from a video game from Gabrielle. The moment has
:28:57. > :29:05.come for you to climb through? not impressive, but it's quite a big
:29:05. > :29:09.piece of paper. Can you do it?Lord Alan sugar is on the show we want to
:29:09. > :29:12.hear from you if you have started the business and will be trading