:00:16. > :00:19.Hello and welcome to the One Show with Gyles Brandreth.
:00:20. > :00:22.Tonight, our guests represent the punk era
:00:23. > :00:28.Yes, that's anarchic student Vyvyan in The Young Ones.
:00:29. > :00:52.Please welcome Blondie and Adrian Edmondson!
:00:53. > :00:54.Blondie will be playing their latest single live later on.
:00:55. > :00:59.In fact, Debbie and Ade, you have dueted before
:01:00. > :01:13.Thank you very much. We sang the theme tune to Absolutely Fabulous
:01:14. > :01:20.together. That's right. I remember clearly, you said "you have a nice
:01:21. > :01:26.voice". Was it the best duet you have ever done? Perhaps! OK! We
:01:27. > :01:31.harmonised. We did. Yeah. Yeah. Rather well.
:01:32. > :01:38.How did it come about? We never did an album! We could have! How did it
:01:39. > :01:43.come about? I sang with Judy Driscoll. It is an older song that
:01:44. > :01:48.we knew. I sang it with her for the first few series. And then there was
:01:49. > :01:53.an episode you were in. I think we changed it then. I think it was a
:01:54. > :01:59.Christmas show. Was it? A special Christmas show.
:02:00. > :02:06.Where did you get into music, Ade? Like most people you listen to it on
:02:07. > :02:11.the radio! That was it as a boy? But it is very folksy your sort of
:02:12. > :02:16.music? Well, I went to a university in Manchester in the '70s, where in
:02:17. > :02:26.one venue there was punk music, happening to people being very
:02:27. > :02:31.excited and then in another pub, an Irish lot of folk songs, singing
:02:32. > :02:37.jigs and reels. I think that a lot of punk music is
:02:38. > :02:42.folk music, it is not centred on self but stories. Social comment and
:02:43. > :02:48.righteous anger, rather than I love you, you love me.
:02:49. > :02:52.Lovely. Thank you! Before Blondie gets themselves ready for their
:02:53. > :02:59.performance, we wondered if Gyles was into punk? Oh, yes.
:03:00. > :03:05.Take a look at this. Yes, it's angry.
:03:06. > :03:10.That was my look. Before I got the Mohican, that's what I looked like.
:03:11. > :03:15.It's what happens when you do too much pogo.
:03:16. > :03:18.This week Peter Kay's hit TV show Car Share came to an end and fans
:03:19. > :03:21.were left bereft when he said there wouldn't be any more episodes.
:03:22. > :03:24.Viewers were begging for a happy ending.
:03:25. > :03:31.But is leaving people wanting more the best way to end a TV series?
:03:32. > :03:37.# Do you remember # Chocolates hearts melting on a
:03:38. > :03:48.plate... # Do you remember. A successful show
:03:49. > :03:53.can define an era. Whether All good things must come to
:03:54. > :03:58.an end but what's the secret to a perfect ending? Do you like the
:03:59. > :04:02.ending of a series to be left open, or just finish it, everyone dies,
:04:03. > :04:06.they are all gone. Leave it open. Then we can talk
:04:07. > :04:14.about it afterwards. It is nice to be left on a high. Wanting more. It
:04:15. > :04:20.is open to interpretation. I like certainty. I want to be told!
:04:21. > :04:25.Mostly, people are looking forward to a really, really happy ending.
:04:26. > :04:29.But the creators behind the show want to do something more
:04:30. > :04:32.imaginative. Getting the two to come together beautifully is really,
:04:33. > :04:39.really difficult. # When it comes to this bitter end.
:04:40. > :04:44.Hello? So, has there been a series where you think this must end now? I
:04:45. > :04:49.thought one of the most tragic shows that refused to die was Shameless.
:04:50. > :04:58.It was a fantastic show at first. But it went on and on and on and on!
:04:59. > :05:03.Is there a series that's been on, that finished and you loved that
:05:04. > :05:07.programme? Morse. Do you remember how the show ended?
:05:08. > :05:14.I don't I this I could bear to watch it. He had aheart attack. He died on
:05:15. > :05:21.the steps of the college. Is there a show that you wish was
:05:22. > :05:27.still on? Well, I just watch the reruns so it has never finished.
:05:28. > :05:34.There was BlackEd aer, that ended in a beautiful way. I have a plan, sir.
:05:35. > :05:38.Yes, a cunning and subtle one? Yes, sir.
:05:39. > :05:44.As cunning as a fox who has been appointed professor of cunning at
:05:45. > :05:52.Oxford University? That was a really good ending. It was sad.
:05:53. > :05:57.But they didn't die! If it is too conclusive it can't come back. Gavin
:05:58. > :06:02.and Stacey ended perfectly. The brilliant tight rope walk between
:06:03. > :06:08.being too sentimental or too conclusive. Just with then
:06:09. > :06:18.squabbling on the seafront. What's the joke? Oh, Welsh person!
:06:19. > :06:22.It don't make me Welsh! But, it is popularity, that it is a difficult
:06:23. > :06:26.thing, this is the point. That's why ending the shows is so difficult.
:06:27. > :06:33.People are saying goodbye to old friends.
:06:34. > :06:39.The perfect ending, either you can leave the door open, hoping for a
:06:40. > :06:46.comeback, or go to something just a little more definite.
:06:47. > :06:55.Look out! Cliff! Phew, that was close! Oh! I'm not coming back from
:06:56. > :07:02.that one. What an ending. When you happy with
:07:03. > :07:07.the finality of that? Yes, we were young and stupid. We knew that
:07:08. > :07:15.faulty towers had made 12 eepisodes, so we thought it was good to leave
:07:16. > :07:22.it sort of rock and role. Is it a mistake, Conan killed off
:07:23. > :07:28.Doyle but had to bring him back. I think if we had made more it would
:07:29. > :07:32.have gotten weak. Things like Dad's Army have been
:07:33. > :07:39.turned into a film with a new cast. Would that be wrong? You know, a
:07:40. > :07:41.very difficult thing to do. Absolutely Fabulous made it into a
:07:42. > :07:48.film. . Successfully. But few do. Even
:07:49. > :07:52.more come and wise had trouble making films.
:07:53. > :07:54.Well, we are not going to give away the ending of Tilly and the Time
:07:55. > :08:00.Machine. This is your new children's book,
:08:01. > :08:07.you have done audio books, why decide to write books yourself? Well
:08:08. > :08:11.it is simple, some friends's children moved in next door to me.
:08:12. > :08:17.They have three young kids, five, seven and nine. The one in the
:08:18. > :08:22.middle is very forthright and brute. I took her as inspiration for a
:08:23. > :08:28.character. I said to her that I could read her stories as my kids
:08:29. > :08:32.were all grown up, that my BFG was brilliant. They had heard it, they
:08:33. > :08:37.said. So I thought, I will write one of my own, that they will not have
:08:38. > :08:42.heard of that. Was Roald Dahl your inspiration? I
:08:43. > :08:47.think he is every children's writer. What is the story? At the beginning
:08:48. > :08:53.of the book, Tilly's mother has recently died. Her dad is a buttoned
:08:54. > :09:00.up English chap and does not talk about it so as not to make Tilly
:09:01. > :09:05.sad. It is that classic shyness to death. And he is a bit of a boffin.
:09:06. > :09:11.He makes her a time machine. It is down at the bottom of the shed. He
:09:12. > :09:19.wakes her up to tell her it is working. That they could go anywhere
:09:20. > :09:25.they wanted. She says that she wants to go back to her sixth birthday
:09:26. > :09:32.when her mummy was here. So they get stuck in time. Going through the
:09:33. > :09:39.battle of Trafalgar, meeting Queen Victoria, the time when the Albert
:09:40. > :09:44.memorial cost still yens of times. And all Tilly wants is a few more
:09:45. > :09:48.photos in place. We all have a time machine in our
:09:49. > :09:55.heads. Sometimes spurred on by photographs.
:09:56. > :10:04.You keep a photograph of Rik Mayal in your study? I have several. Snow
:10:05. > :10:10.He keeps an eye on you, does he, an eye on you from beyond? It is not a
:10:11. > :10:15.glum thing it is a nice celebration. Well I loved the book. I thought it
:10:16. > :10:23.funny and touching. I was waiting for that.
:10:24. > :10:30.You have three grandchildren. I do. I have sieve and I gave your book to
:10:31. > :10:38.my grandchild, and he described it as bum testic. He was not sure that
:10:39. > :10:45.I would understand it, I wanted to use an old fashioned word but he
:10:46. > :10:49.said I could call it amazeballs. But there was a bone I wanted to pick
:10:50. > :10:53.with you. This is from your lovely book if you can read this. This is
:10:54. > :10:58.from a section when she is on her own. Her dad got lost in time. She
:10:59. > :11:07.is eating the jelly from the fridge, having fun on her own. It says Tilly
:11:08. > :11:14.watched all of the Won Show and EastEnders, all of her mum's
:11:15. > :11:19.favourite programmes, it was fun. If her dad had been watch watching, he
:11:20. > :11:21.would have said that she would have been rotting her brain! What's wrong
:11:22. > :11:34.with that?! Using just a microwave, this
:11:35. > :11:42.is what she's trying to recreate: Here's one for everyone
:11:43. > :11:44.out there who, like me, normally likes to watch the show
:11:45. > :11:47.with a microwave meal on their lap. Our chef Ricky's been to meet
:11:48. > :11:57.someone who doesn't just see We all know that sound, mike milk is
:11:58. > :12:03.hot, my loaf is defrosted, my chicken korma is ready. We have been
:12:04. > :12:08.hearing the familiar ping for 70 years.
:12:09. > :12:16.The first commercial microwave was released in 1947. But the 1960s, the
:12:17. > :12:26.microwaive was embraced as a future of cooking before becoming a tape
:12:27. > :12:30.until the home. So while a microwave may have been created for food on
:12:31. > :12:40.the go, it is not real cooking, or is it? Jennifer is the President of
:12:41. > :12:44.the microwave's technology association.
:12:45. > :12:49.Jennifer, microwaives are a bit-and-a-half? Well, over 95% of
:12:50. > :12:54.people have a microwaive in their home. I think most don't understand
:12:55. > :13:02.the possibilities that you can cook, basic cooking in a microwaive oafen.
:13:03. > :13:07.It is practical and efficient. People associate microwaives with
:13:08. > :13:11.ready meals? You can't make Yorkshire puddings but anything that
:13:12. > :13:16.is moist, you can do perfectly well. What about a steak? Course you can.
:13:17. > :13:22.I would love to see that. Absolutely.
:13:23. > :13:26.Before cooking a steak, she heats up a microwaivable plate and cover it
:13:27. > :13:29.is with butter to help create the pan fried effect on the steak.
:13:30. > :13:35.Clever. Another minute in the microwaive and it is done. But will
:13:36. > :13:40.it taste as good as it looks? You know what... That's really good.
:13:41. > :13:47.I mean, it's moist, it's cooked well. If you don't tell me, I
:13:48. > :13:55.wouldn't know it was cooked in a MIVR waive. Jennifer makes jam in
:13:56. > :14:01.her MIVR waive. Heating strawberries with lemon zest for a few minutes
:14:02. > :14:04.before adding sugar and microwaiving for 20 minutes.
:14:05. > :14:14.That is really good jam. Beautiful. What about a One Show
:14:15. > :14:16.challenge. Three course meal, you do it in the microwaive, I'll do it on
:14:17. > :14:23.the hob. You're on.
:14:24. > :14:25.I sweat my onions in a pan while Jennifer sweats her's in a
:14:26. > :14:31.container. Can you smell the wonderful onions
:14:32. > :14:36.and garlic sweating down? That lovely aroma. Nothing is coming from
:14:37. > :14:40.the microwaive. More flavours are being released
:14:41. > :14:48.here than in the pan. Whilst I fry the salmon and veg,
:14:49. > :14:51.gen. Jennifer soaks her's in a container before heating it on the
:14:52. > :14:56.sauce. Then a case of heating the mixture
:14:57. > :15:01.for the chocolate brownie. The catering students here are to be the
:15:02. > :15:08.judges. We are not saying which dishes have been done in the oven or
:15:09. > :15:13.which have been microwaived! Whilst all of the judges worked out which
:15:14. > :15:19.soup was cooked in the microwaive. One thought that Jennifer's salmon
:15:20. > :15:25.was cooked in the oven. Two could not believe that Jennifer's brownie
:15:26. > :15:31.was cooked in the microwelfare and they loved it.
:15:32. > :15:35.But overall traditional cooking was supreme.
:15:36. > :15:37.Well done. So steel outweighs the microwave at
:15:38. > :15:39.the moment. OK.
:15:40. > :15:42.Give it another seven years. Before we hear from you,
:15:43. > :15:47.since it didn't go too well for Team Microwave,
:15:48. > :15:48.we've set Jennipher Using just a microwave, this
:15:49. > :16:04.is what she's trying to recreate: Butterflied fillet of sea bass
:16:05. > :16:05.stuffed with scallop mousse and served with the deconstructed
:16:06. > :16:08.ratatouille sauce. Yes, it's from Ade's winning
:16:09. > :16:10.Celebrity MasterChef meal. In the meantime, Tommy, you're also
:16:11. > :16:15.on my team, Team Microwave. Tell us about the microwave's
:16:16. > :16:28.accidental origins. In 1945 it started, Percy Spencer,
:16:29. > :16:34.working for the US military, is playing with military grade
:16:35. > :16:38.magnetrons and they are giving off heat because the candy bar in his
:16:39. > :16:46.pocket starts to melt and something is going on. I thought he was
:16:47. > :16:52.German! He starts playing around and he tests out some corn kernels and
:16:53. > :16:55.makes popcorn Andy Burton egg into the kettle and fills that the
:16:56. > :17:02.microwaves and the egg explodes and the microwave is born Andy Payton is
:17:03. > :17:10.later that year and one is created soon after. This is a direct result
:17:11. > :17:16.of wartime research? Mine has just gone!
:17:17. > :17:23.Ah, that will be my cocoa - which needs a bit of sweetener.
:17:24. > :17:32.Sweetener is accidental, invented by Constantin Fahlberg in a Baltimore
:17:33. > :17:37.University, he gets home and realises his bread tastes sweeter
:17:38. > :17:41.after playing with chemicals. He works out which chemical it wasn't
:17:42. > :17:50.made it taste so sweet, and saccharin was born. Saccharin was
:17:51. > :17:57.born! His friend in the lab, he kept him out of the deal and kept all the
:17:58. > :18:01.royalties himself. Before my dad was a teacher he worked in a lab testing
:18:02. > :18:04.metal and they would sweeten their tea with sulphuric acid! Not
:18:05. > :18:11.recommended! Delicious cup of tea! While you're here,
:18:12. > :18:13.and nothing to do with food, there's another invention making
:18:14. > :18:15.the news this week. Lots of parents will
:18:16. > :18:23.know all about it. This is an accidental craze, the
:18:24. > :18:28.fidget spinner has come about because they thought it would help
:18:29. > :18:33.children with autism and there is no research to say that but people from
:18:34. > :18:38.the autism Society say it helps but it has been banned from schools
:18:39. > :18:41.because it has the adverse effect and prevents children from
:18:42. > :18:49.concentrating because it are messing about. It is really boring! It just
:18:50. > :18:53.goes round and round! That is sweeping schools around the country!
:18:54. > :18:54.Thanks Tommy, it looks like Jennipher has finished.
:18:55. > :19:02.I will introduce it in true Masterchef style.
:19:03. > :19:04.Jennipher has made butterflied fillet of seabass
:19:05. > :19:10.Served with a deconstructed ratatouille sauce, also
:19:11. > :19:26.Jennipher is the family Craddock of the microwave! We will invite Tommy
:19:27. > :19:36.to taste this. I will have some vegetables. What is the secret? The
:19:37. > :19:42.microwave? I don't know... Don't prejudge. That is tasty, microwave
:19:43. > :19:49.magic. Isn't Jennipher Ajoy! Jennipher is a lovely human being!
:19:50. > :20:00.All you need is a microwave and Jennipher! The source is more like
:20:01. > :20:04.tomato soup. It needs thickening? I haven't had a microwave for years,
:20:05. > :20:09.we have grandchildren and they use that for heating up the milk but I
:20:10. > :20:19.don't get it because there are so complicated to use. Complicated? You
:20:20. > :20:25.press a button! Absolutely delicious. That took about 12
:20:26. > :20:26.minutes. Thank you so much, Jennipher. That was a 12 minute
:20:27. > :20:27.wonder! In a moment the legendary
:20:28. > :20:29.Blondie will perform First, here's an idea
:20:30. > :20:33.for your next book, Ade. I can see what you're thinking -
:20:34. > :20:56.how did you do that. My favourite part of the reaction is
:20:57. > :21:05.the expression on their faces when they first see it. It is a painting
:21:06. > :21:12.hidden under the edge of the book. It appears and vanishes, as if by
:21:13. > :21:21.magic. My name is Martin Frost and I am a fore-edge painter. This is a
:21:22. > :21:26.British art form for books. An image that is only for edge of a book,
:21:27. > :21:36.under the gold, which is only seen when the book is find out. I will
:21:37. > :21:44.make you are painting. The first thing we have to do is put this into
:21:45. > :21:48.the farm and I use a press to hold this in position. I would like to
:21:49. > :21:55.paint the Royal Pavilion in Brighton, very close to me, a very
:21:56. > :22:02.recognisable image. This is slow painting, a quick sketch like this
:22:03. > :22:08.will be four hours but something elaborate is a week. This is
:22:09. > :22:14.meticulous work. People have been decorating the edges of books from
:22:15. > :22:18.1000 years, it was only when gilding came in and that enabled us to make
:22:19. > :22:29.a painting vanish under the gold. No UCH... Now, you don't. -- night you
:22:30. > :22:35.see it. I can do doubles, one way there is an image and on the other
:22:36. > :22:41.side... All pages have two sides, we have another image again. Another
:22:42. > :22:50.variant is not just the fore-edge because the book as a top and Bottom
:22:51. > :22:55.edge, two of them can be painted some reasonably simple painting like
:22:56. > :22:59.this with self or something in the region of ?250 and more elaborate
:23:00. > :23:06.ones are considerably more expensive. There is very little
:23:07. > :23:11.water involved in this, this is a balancing act, too much water and
:23:12. > :23:16.the gold will come off so just a little water and you won't get the
:23:17. > :23:22.paint on in the first place. Lightly first and build it up. Then let it
:23:23. > :23:30.dry. And you start working over the top of that. My career in fore-edge
:23:31. > :23:37.painting started in 1970 and over that period I have painted in the
:23:38. > :23:41.region of 3500 books. I training was in theatre, I was painting
:23:42. > :23:46.backdrops, and different scale. At the same sort of skills. I was
:23:47. > :23:51.working with a colleague who was a fore-edge painter and my friend
:23:52. > :23:56.suggested I have a go and I did and I have been doing it ever since.
:23:57. > :24:02.This is a critical part. When you start painting, the market you make
:24:03. > :24:07.is the mark you are left with, there is no going back. There have been
:24:08. > :24:12.many temporary painters over the years but unfortunately not at the
:24:13. > :24:18.moment, as far as I know I am the only one painting edges full-time.
:24:19. > :24:21.The heritage Craft Association have compiled a list of endangered
:24:22. > :24:27.British crafts and fore-edge painting is listed as extremely
:24:28. > :24:36.endangered. And I suppose that could make me an endangered species! I
:24:37. > :24:41.have taught well over 300 students, people enjoy trying it but they
:24:42. > :24:45.don't want to seem to take this up as a profession. I am lucky, I have
:24:46. > :24:52.found a job that makes me generally happy. I look forward to opening the
:24:53. > :25:00.book and painting it. Once I have done it I am looking forward to the
:25:01. > :25:05.next one. Right, we are done. I am rather pleased with that. There you
:25:06. > :25:09.go. Fore-edge painting. Just for the One Show.
:25:10. > :25:13.And very best of luck to Martin, who has been shortlisted
:25:14. > :25:15.for Maker of the Year at the Heritage Crafts Association
:25:16. > :25:19.Ade - what do you think of the picture Martin's done
:25:20. > :25:35.Tilly and the Time Machine is out now.
:25:36. > :25:37.Before we go, performing Long Time from their new album,
:25:38. > :25:47.Pollinator, which is out today, this is Blondie.
:25:48. > :25:51.# I've been running circles from a night that never ends
:25:52. > :25:54.# I've been chasing heartache in a city and a friend
:25:55. > :26:03.# Even seen you lose it, but who cares?
:26:04. > :26:08.# Racing down the Bowery on a crowded afternoon
:26:09. > :26:11.# Keep me from the downpour of your insecure typhoon
:26:12. > :26:19.# Or is this just a way to keep you safe?
:26:20. > :26:27.# Take me, then lose me, then tell them I'm yours
:26:28. > :26:47.# Does it make you think everybody wants to be your friend?
:26:48. > :27:05.# I can make you think everybody wants to be your friend
:27:06. > :27:09.# Drinking with yourself but with a smile upon your face
:27:10. > :27:13.# Happy in success but still a thousand miles away
:27:14. > :27:20.# Is this everything you had in store?
:27:21. > :27:29.# Take me and lose me and tell them I'm yours
:27:30. > :27:49.# Does it make you think everybody wants to be your friend?
:27:50. > :28:06.# I can make you think everybody wants to be your friend
:28:07. > :28:41.# Take me, then lose me, then tell them I'm yours #