:00:15. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker...
:00:18. > :00:21.Later in the show, with milk prices at a seven-year low,
:00:22. > :00:23.we'll meet the farmer who has found an ingenious way
:00:24. > :00:28.The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, will be here in the studio
:00:29. > :00:31.to share his thoughts on plans for a permanant memorial
:00:32. > :00:35.And we'll be hearing for the first time from people whose lives
:00:36. > :00:42.Tonight's guest is an actor who has swapped Life on Mars for a life
:00:43. > :00:46.chasing ghosts in South Carolina - please welcome Philip Glenister.
:00:47. > :01:07.Welcome. Good to see you. Glad you got the blue memo! I was going to
:01:08. > :01:11.say. We all have a touch of blue. We are talking about Muhammad Ali
:01:12. > :01:18.tonight. This just gives you an idea of the size of the man. This is the
:01:19. > :01:22.actual size of his fist. Punch me! Just hold your right hand up there
:01:23. > :01:28.and you get an idea of the size of it. Turn it around to get the
:01:29. > :01:31.comparison. Well. That will do use some damage!
:01:32. > :01:34.If you were lucky enough to meet Muhammad Ali,
:01:35. > :01:39.Send them to the usual address, and we'll show as many as we can
:01:40. > :01:43.There's a new drama on BBC One tonight featuring the real-life
:01:44. > :01:45.story of Reg Keys, whose son Thomas was killed
:01:46. > :01:49.Kevin Duala went to meet him ahead of next month's publication
:01:50. > :02:01.Reg went on to stand for parliament against Tony Blair.
:02:02. > :02:03.For the families of those who lost their lives in the war,
:02:04. > :02:06.this document signifies an end to years of waiting
:02:07. > :02:15.Like many of the families of the military personnel who died in Iraq,
:02:16. > :02:21.Reg Keys has found -- has spent 13 years fighting for answers, answers
:02:22. > :02:26.which he hopes will be in the Chilcot Report. Hopefully, this will
:02:27. > :02:32.be a closing chapter of the whole, sorry story of Iraq. In June of that
:02:33. > :02:37.year, Reg's son Tom, a Lance Corporal in the Royal Military
:02:38. > :02:44.Police, was killed in Iraq, four days before his 24th birthday. What
:02:45. > :02:51.was he like? He loved his sport. The perfect son. He had this exuberance
:02:52. > :02:54.of youth. He turned his eye towards his -- towards the army. Can you
:02:55. > :03:00.remember what you were doing when you receive the knock on the door?
:03:01. > :03:05.Two men in suits walked through the farm door. I just stopped. I started
:03:06. > :03:11.to go cold. A chill pervaded my body. And he said, and I remember
:03:12. > :03:16.his words, Mr Keys, I regret to inform you that Tom was killed this
:03:17. > :03:23.morning in Iraq in the line of duty. What information did he give you at
:03:24. > :03:27.that moment in time? That they were visiting a police station, that it
:03:28. > :03:31.was surrounded by a mob, and they were all killed. The more Reg
:03:32. > :03:35.learned of the run-up to the attack in which Tom and his five comrades
:03:36. > :03:41.died, and how he had been equipped to do his job, the more angry he
:03:42. > :03:45.became. 25 personnel were policing an area the size of Northern
:03:46. > :03:49.Ireland. They had been sent to a hostile town with 50 rounds of
:03:50. > :03:55.ammunition and no communications. They should have had a satellite
:03:56. > :04:02.phone. They were denied that, and that is a disgrace. Our reasons for
:04:03. > :04:05.entering the war in Iraq is also called into question, particularly
:04:06. > :04:09.the claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. What
:04:10. > :04:14.was going through your mind when you found out that there was no weapons
:04:15. > :04:19.of mass destruction found? I was already a very angry man when I
:04:20. > :04:22.found out the nature of my son's death, and that the Army board of
:04:23. > :04:26.enquiry has said that the deaths could not have been prevented. And
:04:27. > :04:32.then there was the announcement that no weapons of mass destruction had
:04:33. > :04:37.been found. Reg demanded answers from Tony Blair with no success. I
:04:38. > :04:41.had met him earlier at a memorial service for the fallen in Iraq. I
:04:42. > :04:47.had a brief chat before being ushered away by a minder. He owes me
:04:48. > :04:54.at least a compensation. I gave my son. In the 2005 general election,
:04:55. > :04:59.registered against Tony Blair in his Sedgefield constituency. I was an
:05:00. > :05:04.angry man. Tony Blair, you misled me, you misled Parliament and you
:05:05. > :05:11.misled troops who gave their lives. So I am coming after you. What was
:05:12. > :05:16.the one thing that kept you going? Justice for Tom. I thought that that
:05:17. > :05:25.that cannot lie in his grave. I thought it was a total injustice.
:05:26. > :05:35.Tony Blair has consistently denied any... He lost the election in 2005,
:05:36. > :05:43.but Reg had the opportunity to share the stage with the former Prime
:05:44. > :05:47.Minister. Sent to war in extremely controversial circumstances. I hope
:05:48. > :05:53.in my heart that one day the Prime Minister will be able to say sorry.
:05:54. > :06:00.We are in front of the world's media. Now, he's got to listen.
:06:01. > :06:05.Commissioned in 2009 and led by Sir John Chilcot, the Iraq Inquiry
:06:06. > :06:11.report will finally be published on July the 6th. All eyes will be on
:06:12. > :06:17.Tony Blair, or at least, Reg's. What would you like to find out? As far
:06:18. > :06:24.as I'm concerned, Thomas died for nothing. He died for a false. And I
:06:25. > :06:28.hope that Sir John... Although he cannot apportion blame, I hope he
:06:29. > :06:34.can point the finger for accountability. As for the families
:06:35. > :06:38.of the 179 military personnel to die in Iraq, Reg doesn't believe that
:06:39. > :06:42.Sir John Chilcot's report will be the end of their story. It has been
:06:43. > :06:50.very tiring for me and the other families involved, but I would like
:06:51. > :06:53.to ask Sir John is it was deemed appropriate, if the families could
:06:54. > :07:02.take any legal action. Maybe it isn't the final chapter. It will be
:07:03. > :07:09.very interesting to see what the reaction will be after July the 6th.
:07:10. > :07:14.That footage there, to see him standing in front of Tony Blair,
:07:15. > :07:16.saying what he wanted to say. And he didn't flinch.
:07:17. > :07:19.You can see Reg in a BBC drama called Reg, which will air
:07:20. > :07:24.tonight at 9pm on BBC One, featuring Tim Roth and Anna Maxwell Martin.
:07:25. > :07:33.I was driving into London last night, and I could see your face
:07:34. > :07:40.plastered on a billboard! Your new TV project, Outcast, is all about
:07:41. > :07:48.the supernatural. You are not quite a ghostbuster, but nearly. I am a
:07:49. > :07:52.reverend. There I am. It is set in a fictional small town in West
:07:53. > :07:57.Virginia, and it is about eight townsfolk who are sort of plagued by
:07:58. > :08:04.this demonic possession going on within the town. The central
:08:05. > :08:13.character is played by Patrick Fugit, called Karl Barnes. And he is
:08:14. > :08:19.the Outcast? Yes, his mother was possessed when he was small, and I
:08:20. > :08:24.was charged with performing the exorcism. We come together in the
:08:25. > :08:29.series. We try to find out what is going on in this town. It is causing
:08:30. > :08:35.problems with the townsfolk. We have the men, the chief of police, -- the
:08:36. > :08:39.chief of police, and at first, you see me and the chief of police
:08:40. > :08:45.having a game of cards in the back room of the church. As you do! That
:08:46. > :08:51.is what appealed to you about the character. Yes, that is what
:08:52. > :08:56.appealed to me. He has many layers. He is fascinating. He sees himself
:08:57. > :09:02.as a soldier of God. He has given up everything for this cause, including
:09:03. > :09:08.his own family. He is estranged from his wife and son. Through all this,
:09:09. > :09:13.he is in denial of his own fault some problems. In many respects, he
:09:14. > :09:20.is a broken person. This becomes obvious through the series. It is
:09:21. > :09:25.set in the deep South and you filmed it in America. In South Carolina. It
:09:26. > :09:29.was fun. I stayed in the accent while I was there, for the whole
:09:30. > :09:37.time. You said you were quite cocky about the American accent. You said
:09:38. > :09:44.that you could do it. I got slapped off by some person or newspaper who
:09:45. > :09:48.was a dialect coach. I was doing a show in London playing an American
:09:49. > :09:52.at the time, and I was in the middle of doing Gene Hunt, and what ever I
:09:53. > :09:59.had done then, anybody would have said, no, he is Gene Hunt. When you
:10:00. > :10:04.are surrounded by Americans and in America, it is easier to get,
:10:05. > :10:13.particularly the regional accents. We all had to sound the same, so
:10:14. > :10:18.even Pat trick, Reggie, and others in the show, we all had to have the
:10:19. > :10:23.same dialect coach. We think it sounds brilliant. But everyone can
:10:24. > :10:27.make their mind up. What ever happened to your mother, we should
:10:28. > :10:34.have stopped it. My mother was sick. I didn't know much else about it. I
:10:35. > :10:39.was just a kid. These things are everywhere. They are all around us.
:10:40. > :10:44.You have no idea how bad it's gotten. You may not believe me, but
:10:45. > :10:56.that doesn't make it any less true. Why don't we stick to what we know.
:10:57. > :11:05.Before we blame the bogeyman again? What is behind the door? The body
:11:06. > :11:10.man. You were living the part when you were there. Getting there was an
:11:11. > :11:15.extra -- an interesting experience as well. Didn't you have to have an
:11:16. > :11:24.on-screen chemistry test? With American casting, there is one
:11:25. > :11:29.caster who does all of these films, and what you do is go on tapes for
:11:30. > :11:35.the Americans and you send it across via e-mail and they have a look at
:11:36. > :11:42.it. They liked what they saw, fortunately, so then I had a Skype
:11:43. > :11:46.chat with Robert Kirkman, and Adam Wing guard, the director, and during
:11:47. > :11:55.the course of the chat, I got a trip to LA! I said, why don't I just come
:11:56. > :12:03.over for the weekend? They said, OK. Patrick was there being considered
:12:04. > :12:07.for Kyle. I flew to LA and we did a chemistry test with Gabriel who
:12:08. > :12:17.plays Josh were. He acted us both off the screen! That was it. Then
:12:18. > :12:22.they said, do you want to do it? And I was like, all right. It is all
:12:23. > :12:28.based on the supernatural world. Are you a believer? Have you had any
:12:29. > :12:33.experiences? We had a brilliant story from Matt about his country
:12:34. > :12:40.five filming. It was on Thursday night. I was up in a room up top,
:12:41. > :12:44.and he went out to park the car, and there was a guy stood at the top of
:12:45. > :12:49.the stairs. And then he put his car keys in the pocket and he walked up
:12:50. > :12:54.the stairs and the man had gone. And there was only two of us there. And
:12:55. > :12:59.then you picked up the bottle of whiskey and said, I've had too much
:13:00. > :13:04.of this! And I used to do a milk round, and I saw a man sat under a
:13:05. > :13:10.lamp post on a suitcase, and I said, mourning. And when I put the
:13:11. > :13:15.meltdown, he was gone! And I've seen one in double denim, which didn't
:13:16. > :13:23.look very threatening at the time! Double denim? It was our third date
:13:24. > :13:31.and we nearly didn't get to our fourth. She was there. We pushed
:13:32. > :13:35.through it! I wouldn't be seen with anybody in double denim! I can't
:13:36. > :13:47.think that I've ever had. Back you have made me think now. I was
:13:48. > :13:54.sitting on the fence. Who knows? Outcast starts tomorrow at 10pm on
:13:55. > :13:55.Fox. Now a subject very close to my
:13:56. > :13:59.heart. Figures released by Defra show that
:14:00. > :14:02.milk prices are the lowest they've With 2,700 producers set to receive
:14:03. > :14:06.just 19p per litre for the milk produced on their farm,
:14:07. > :14:19.many have had to innovate I have come to a farm in the
:14:20. > :14:23.Scottish Borders, where a fightback against cripplingly low milk prices
:14:24. > :14:27.has begun. Jim has been farming dairy cows here all his life, like
:14:28. > :14:33.his father and grandfather before him. It is a fantastic industry and
:14:34. > :14:37.community to be involved in, but you cannot live it on fresh air. The
:14:38. > :14:45.plummeting price of milk terrifies gym. The issue came to national
:14:46. > :14:49.attention last year, when farmers started staging protests. Jim's deal
:14:50. > :14:54.with the supermarket chain is better than most, but he was fearful that
:14:55. > :14:59.prices can fetch could suddenly change. When you are a fifth
:15:00. > :15:04.generation dairy farmer, it is terrifying. When you have the
:15:05. > :15:14.failure will have to put the cows up. It is heartbreaking. Jim made a
:15:15. > :15:20.radical decision and get this technology changing the family's
:15:21. > :15:26.fortunes. Have a smell of that! What we do with that is collect it. There
:15:27. > :15:31.is enough energy in there to fuel a village of 400 people.
:15:32. > :15:38.The slurry is collected from the cows and goats into big tanks and
:15:39. > :15:43.the bacteria works on it and the methane comes off. That is
:15:44. > :15:47.disgusting! The methane fuelled an engine which turned a generator,
:15:48. > :15:52.creating electricity which is fed into the grid. Job done. Now
:15:53. > :15:57.presumably, to build this, you had to borrow a lot of money. You are
:15:58. > :16:01.taking on a lot of debt so how much risk is involved? They want to know
:16:02. > :16:06.your cash flows and due diligence that it will work and also security
:16:07. > :16:11.so every million pounds that you borrow, they want ?1.5 million in
:16:12. > :16:18.security. What about your family and your fellow farmers? Did they think
:16:19. > :16:21.you were crazy? Yes, but that's not unusual! I'm not clever, I just
:16:22. > :16:26.copied people, I went to Germany and I saw how it worked and I copied the
:16:27. > :16:30.model that worked there and brought it here. The system also create
:16:31. > :16:37.enough energy to power his run around! This is a Tesla and electric
:16:38. > :16:41.car. Completely electric and it fits in well with what we're doing, we
:16:42. > :16:46.produce a lot of liquidity so it is an extension to the system that we
:16:47. > :16:49.can run this carb on almost free electricity and while it was
:16:50. > :16:59.expensive, it is incredibly cheap to -- at this car. We do about 2500
:17:00. > :17:03.miles per month, it adds up to about ?22,000 saving in a fuel in total.
:17:04. > :17:08.Jim is making more money from muck than milk and hopes he will soon be
:17:09. > :17:14.able to pay off his loan. Pay its self back in about six or seven
:17:15. > :17:17.years but better than that, it is a good balance, if sustained jobs and
:17:18. > :17:21.if you do that in a rural economy you sustain rural schools and post
:17:22. > :17:27.office and the spin offs are endless. Certainly an interesting
:17:28. > :17:32.idea but what a shame that it has come to that, for him to save those
:17:33. > :17:36.cows that have been on his farm for generations. I believe it has got to
:17:37. > :17:40.the point where it is utterly ridiculous and as a nation, we
:17:41. > :17:47.should stand there and say, we are happy to spend a bit more on our
:17:48. > :17:53.milk. I really do. APPLAUSE There are animals involved. You
:17:54. > :17:57.explain this in detail to all of us in the meeting and I think if more
:17:58. > :18:02.people heard the conversation we had, people would not mind paying a
:18:03. > :18:09.bit extra. It is what we used to pay ten years ago. There is a recipe for
:18:10. > :18:14.milk, it is for parts water makes one part milk. With that in mind,
:18:15. > :18:23.how can water become more expensive? Anyway. Don't get me started! You
:18:24. > :18:28.wanted to be a milkman? I did. I thought the hours were quite good. I
:18:29. > :18:32.thought you would be finished by about ten in the morning and I would
:18:33. > :18:38.have the rest of the day to go and play with my toys. It is an early
:18:39. > :18:46.start. I didn't realise that. When you're young, you wake up early
:18:47. > :18:52.anyway. We imagined it as we do here and this is what you might have
:18:53. > :19:01.looked like. He only comes! I like the Dickie tie. That is a posh
:19:02. > :19:06.milkman, where is that? Marlowe? Definitely Home Counties! We have to
:19:07. > :19:07.say thank you to all of your pictures. We will look at them
:19:08. > :19:09.before the end of the show. Tributes to Muhammad Ali have been
:19:10. > :19:22.flooding in over the last few days, Those that actually knew him, he
:19:23. > :19:29.really did touch their lives. Here are their stories. I have always
:19:30. > :19:34.been a friend of Muhammad Ali. When I was living in Europe committee
:19:35. > :19:38.came to Switzerland for a fight and I find out his hotel and I started
:19:39. > :19:42.to take photographs from the outside. He was so glad to see me
:19:43. > :19:47.because I was the only black photographer and he asked me where I
:19:48. > :19:56.was from. I said Jamaica and he said, my name is Charlie! Of all the
:19:57. > :20:02.time I spent with him, I never spoke to him about boxing. We spoke about
:20:03. > :20:05.Jamaica. He is still a hero for me. I would write to him and put my
:20:06. > :20:14.thoughts and feelings down on paper and send them to him. Occasionally
:20:15. > :20:21.he would send a reply. He is one of my best friends. He invited me over
:20:22. > :20:27.and he said, you don't need no hotel, I have room for you in my
:20:28. > :20:30.home. I couldn't believe it. He stayed in my bedroom, I'm sleeping
:20:31. > :20:38.on the couch! I would come down and have breakfast made, and he says,
:20:39. > :20:45.you've got the Champ making new breakfast! He's the greatest fan of
:20:46. > :20:49.all times! His hobby was the magic tricks. It didn't take long that the
:20:50. > :20:53.Magic box came out and he showed as these disappearing handkerchiefs.
:20:54. > :21:08.The greatest of all time! No, I will not go 10,000 miles
:21:09. > :21:14.simply to continue the domination of white slave masters over the darker
:21:15. > :21:17.people of the Earth. It was a complete injustice and he always
:21:18. > :21:27.stood up for what he believed in. The title was taken because of my
:21:28. > :21:32.religion. I received over 32,000 names and addresses, and I took
:21:33. > :21:36.these letters to the American Embassy in London. The ambassador
:21:37. > :21:42.ensured me that they would be on the desk of Nixon and they were. Thank
:21:43. > :21:48.you for what you have done. That is what he said. He came round the
:21:49. > :21:55.house and he asked if I wanted to do sparring. We went into the back car
:21:56. > :22:01.in -- back garden and everybody is cheering, Ali! Ali! And somebody is
:22:02. > :22:06.shouting Tyrone! He was wonderful, absolutely wonderful. Many of his
:22:07. > :22:19.young fans sprinted miles to keep up with him. He came here to open the
:22:20. > :22:30.Muhammad Ali Centre. I asked if I could make him the suit. When I was
:22:31. > :22:36.fitting him, I said, Mr Ali, these sleeves are a bit short. We should
:22:37. > :22:43.lengthen them both up he said to his security, he is no dummy, is he? He
:22:44. > :22:49.told me I was the greatest! He was just leaving to go to the big
:22:50. > :22:52.department store so I said, I got no transportation, so he let me share
:22:53. > :22:57.his limousine with him will stop there were crowds of people, he just
:22:58. > :23:08.took a liking to me and I was with him every day. In 1984, we haven't
:23:09. > :23:12.to be watching a copy of Ali against former in the house and in the
:23:13. > :23:18.middle of the fifth round, the phone went and it was my mother saying, it
:23:19. > :23:22.is Muhammad Ali on the phone -- Ali against George Foreman. I thought
:23:23. > :23:28.she was winding me up but it was him. There were tears in my eyes. I
:23:29. > :23:31.says, you're not going to believe that, I'm watching you fighting
:23:32. > :23:40.George Foreman on television. He said, who wins? Looking back, have
:23:41. > :23:47.to pinch myself, it is fairy tale. It was very touching, very
:23:48. > :23:55.emotional. Muhammad Ali was up there not just as a sportsman, as an icon,
:23:56. > :23:59.because he did really motivate a lot of people like myself. You realise
:24:00. > :24:05.he is a very truthful and honest person. Muhammad Ali had lived his
:24:06. > :24:10.life in such a way, he deserves all the accolades he got because he is a
:24:11. > :24:13.one-off Muhammad Ali is a one-off. We are joined now by the Mayor
:24:14. > :24:24.of London, Sadiq Khan. We know that you are a huge fan of
:24:25. > :24:30.his but why was he such a hero? All of us were smiling watching that.
:24:31. > :24:41.You can't tell from my physique but I am into boxing! Do that with your
:24:42. > :24:50.fist. I saw that! Both of us together. It's extraordinary. My
:24:51. > :24:56.brothers are into boxing and my nephews, and he was a hero but not
:24:57. > :25:02.just a boxer, a sportsman, an American, he was everything. A role
:25:03. > :25:07.model, a poet, he was charismatic, charming. And we have to remember,
:25:08. > :25:12.in the 1960s and 70s in America, it was not easy to be a black man. He
:25:13. > :25:16.felt so strongly about the Vietnam War, at the time it was a popular
:25:17. > :25:20.war but the said it was wrong and at the height of his prowess he did not
:25:21. > :25:26.box for three years because he felt so strongly about it. He changed his
:25:27. > :25:29.name. First joining the Nation of Islam and then become a mainstream
:25:30. > :25:37.Muslim. He was a wonderful man. He touched people's lives and he was a
:25:38. > :25:42.role model and he was the greatest. You want to put up a memorial?
:25:43. > :25:46.People don't realise this but Muhammad Ali was in love with our
:25:47. > :25:52.country. Outside of America, the city in which he fought the most was
:25:53. > :25:59.London, Henry Cooper twice, Ryan London once. Henry Cooper put him on
:26:00. > :26:02.the floor. Ali was shaken up and Angelo Dundee did at slip in his
:26:03. > :26:06.glove to give him more time in between the rounds to recover, it
:26:07. > :26:12.took two rounds for the next round to begin by which time he recovered
:26:13. > :26:15.and knocked Cooper out. You can Google the famous Michael Parkinson
:26:16. > :26:25.interviews as well. They were amazing. Towards the end when he got
:26:26. > :26:29.really quite heavy with Parkinson, and Parkinson handled it amazingly.
:26:30. > :26:35.Parkinson said it was the most amazing interview. And lovely
:26:36. > :26:42.pictures of how he touched the lives of people. This has been sent in,
:26:43. > :26:52.two brothers with Muhammad Ali in 1989. And this is lovely. David met
:26:53. > :27:01.him when he was chairman of Basildon Council in 1986. And Leslie met him
:27:02. > :27:05.and she frisked him! Dahmer's father-in-law met him in 1965 at an
:27:06. > :27:11.exhibition fight in Glasgow -- Donna. And of course he was a Muslim
:27:12. > :27:20.and would have been practising Ramadan. Today is the first day and
:27:21. > :27:28.we are fasting, I notice you have four glasses of water! This isn't
:27:29. > :27:34.ideal with the new job. You fast from dawn until dusk so you can't
:27:35. > :27:40.drink, you cannot have any coffee, no food. Today the sun sets at
:27:41. > :27:46.around 9:17pm. Is coffee the big thing? It is the thing I miss the
:27:47. > :27:50.most. I used to have boring meetings but now they are exciting! But when
:27:51. > :27:59.you have boring meetings, you need your caffeine. But nothing all day?
:28:00. > :28:05.Nothing. How are you feeling? I was feeling a bit down but to be on this
:28:06. > :28:08.fantastic show! It like a drug! We can give you some snacks to take
:28:09. > :28:13.with you but then the sun goes down. A lot of people know that you are
:28:14. > :28:21.fasting and they ask how you are doing and people take an interest.
:28:22. > :28:27.The reason why I am miserable is because I'm fasting, what's your
:28:28. > :28:33.excuse? LAUGHTER You can have a banter as well. But
:28:34. > :28:36.you are settling in all right? I know you two love your job but I
:28:37. > :28:43.have the best job in the world. London is a great city. And when you
:28:44. > :28:46.go to America, they love our city. IMA preacher now. I thought your
:28:47. > :28:49.accent was very good. It has been great to have you here.
:28:50. > :28:51.Outcast is on tomorrow evening at 10pm on Fox.
:28:52. > :28:54.And don't forget to tune in to Reg which is on tonight at 9pm
:28:55. > :28:58.We'll be back tomorrow and we'll be talking to actress
:28:59. > :29:00.Ashley Jenson and David Dimbleby.