07/03/2013

:00:17. > :00:18.Hello and welcome to the One Show, Hello and welcome to the One Show,

:00:18. > :00:19.Hello and welcome to the One Show, with Alex Jones... And Matt Baker.

:00:19. > :00:20.with Alex Jones... And Matt Baker. with Alex Jones... And Matt Baker.

:00:20. > :00:21.Tonight's guest is about to take Tonight's guest is about to take

:00:21. > :00:22.Tonight's guest is about to take part in possibly the biggest

:00:22. > :00:32.part in possibly the biggest part in possibly the biggest

:00:32. > :00:32.chatshow in the world for Comic chatshow in the world for Comic

:00:32. > :00:33.chatshow in the world for Comic Relief. Chances are, we will not

:00:33. > :00:34.Relief. Chances are, we will not Relief. Chances are, we will not

:00:34. > :00:37.Relief. Chances are, we will not get a word in. What have you been

:00:37. > :00:37.get a word in. What have you been get a word in. What have you been

:00:37. > :00:39.get a word in. What have you been doing today? Actually, I had a tap

:00:39. > :00:40.doing today? Actually, I had a tap doing today? Actually, I had a tap

:00:40. > :00:41.dancing lesson today. I just dancing lesson today. I just

:00:41. > :00:42.dancing lesson today. I just dancing lesson today. I just

:00:42. > :00:44.realised why it you had a tap realised why it you had a tap

:00:44. > :00:45.realised why it you had a tap dancing lesson. We will save that,

:00:45. > :00:49.dancing lesson. We will save that, dancing lesson. We will save that,

:00:49. > :00:50.dancing lesson. We will save that, because that is a surprise. He has

:00:50. > :00:51.because that is a surprise. He has because that is a surprise. He has

:00:51. > :00:51.because that is a surprise. He has been a chat show host for more than

:00:51. > :00:54.been a chat show host for more than been a chat show host for more than

:00:54. > :00:59.been a chat show host for more than 20 years, and it is, of course,

:00:59. > :01:00.20 years, and it is, of course, 20 years, and it is, of course,

:01:00. > :01:01.20 years, and it is, of course, Richard Madeley. We are going to be

:01:01. > :01:02.Richard Madeley. We are going to be Richard Madeley. We are going to be

:01:02. > :01:03.talking about this brilliant show talking about this brilliant show

:01:03. > :01:04.talking about this brilliant show that you're doing with Graham

:01:05. > :01:06.that you're doing with Graham that you're doing with Graham

:01:06. > :01:08.that you're doing with Graham Norton. It is going to be great.

:01:08. > :01:09.Norton. It is going to be great. Norton. It is going to be great.

:01:09. > :01:10.Norton. It is going to be great. Yes. But we have got a confession,

:01:10. > :01:12.Yes. But we have got a confession, Yes. But we have got a confession,

:01:12. > :01:12.Yes. But we have got a confession, the last time you came on, you

:01:12. > :01:13.the last time you came on, you the last time you came on, you

:01:13. > :01:15.the last time you came on, you enjoyed a few glasses of wine, with

:01:15. > :01:16.enjoyed a few glasses of wine, with enjoyed a few glasses of wine, with

:01:16. > :01:18.enjoyed a few glasses of wine, with Judy, so we decided to do a little

:01:18. > :01:20.Judy, so we decided to do a little Judy, so we decided to do a little

:01:20. > :01:22.Judy, so we decided to do a little bit of an experiment, and we took a

:01:22. > :01:23.bit of an experiment, and we took a bit of an experiment, and we took a

:01:23. > :01:24.swab from your wine glass and swab from your wine glass and

:01:24. > :01:27.swab from your wine glass and swab from your wine glass and

:01:27. > :01:28.centre to way to do a DNA test. centre to way to do a DNA test.

:01:28. > :01:31.centre to way to do a DNA test. Totally illegal! The results were

:01:31. > :01:31.Totally illegal! The results were Totally illegal! The results were

:01:31. > :01:34.pretty surprising. They reveal that pretty surprising. They reveal that

:01:35. > :01:37.pretty surprising. They reveal that you are in fact 35% ancient

:01:37. > :01:40.you are in fact 35% ancient you are in fact 35% ancient

:01:41. > :01:42.Egyptian royalty. Here's the proof. Egyptian royalty. Here's the proof.

:01:42. > :01:43.Egyptian royalty. Here's the proof. 46% Moroccan carpet seller. That's

:01:43. > :01:44.46% Moroccan carpet seller. That's 46% Moroccan carpet seller. That's

:01:44. > :01:47.46% Moroccan carpet seller. That's where the gift of the gab comes

:01:47. > :01:49.where the gift of the gab comes where the gift of the gab comes

:01:49. > :01:50.where the gift of the gab comes from. And the rest is just Ali G.

:01:50. > :01:51.from. And the rest is just Ali G. from. And the rest is just Ali G.

:01:51. > :01:55.But was voted the worst television But was voted the worst television

:01:55. > :01:56.But was voted the worst television moment in British history. We are

:01:56. > :01:58.moment in British history. We are moment in British history. We are

:01:58. > :01:59.moment in British history. We are joking, of course, we did not send

:01:59. > :02:00.joking, of course, we did not send joking, of course, we did not send

:02:00. > :02:03.anything away for testing, but have anything away for testing, but have

:02:03. > :02:04.anything away for testing, but have you thought about having it done?

:02:04. > :02:06.you thought about having it done? you thought about having it done?

:02:06. > :02:08.you thought about having it done? We both had it done for our channel

:02:08. > :02:09.We both had it done for our channel We both had it done for our channel

:02:09. > :02:12.for show, and mine came back for show, and mine came back

:02:12. > :02:13.inconclusive, whatever that means, inconclusive, whatever that means,

:02:13. > :02:14.inconclusive, whatever that means, inconclusive, whatever that means,

:02:14. > :02:16.but Judy turned out to be a but Judy turned out to be a

:02:16. > :02:18.but Judy turned out to be a relative of the Romanovs, the

:02:18. > :02:19.relative of the Romanovs, the relative of the Romanovs, the

:02:19. > :02:20.Russian Royal Family, they paddled Russian Royal Family, they paddled

:02:20. > :02:21.Russian Royal Family, they paddled Russian Royal Family, they paddled

:02:21. > :02:22.in the same gene pool about half-a- in the same gene pool about half-a-

:02:22. > :02:23.in the same gene pool about half-a- million years ago! She was quite

:02:23. > :02:25.million years ago! She was quite million years ago! She was quite

:02:25. > :02:27.chuffed about it, actually, we chuffed about it, actually, we

:02:27. > :02:28.chuffed about it, actually, we chuffed about it, actually, we

:02:28. > :02:29.never hear the last about it. never hear the last about it.

:02:29. > :02:29.never hear the last about it. never hear the last about it.

:02:29. > :02:31.testing has been in the news today, testing has been in the news today,

:02:31. > :02:32.testing has been in the news today, with a group of scientists

:02:32. > :02:33.with a group of scientists criticising companies which claimed

:02:33. > :02:35.criticising companies which claimed criticising companies which claimed

:02:35. > :02:36.criticising companies which claimed to be able to trace people's and

:02:36. > :02:39.to be able to trace people's and to be able to trace people's and

:02:39. > :02:42.Shastri through DNA, linking them Shastri through DNA, linking them

:02:42. > :02:43.Shastri through DNA, linking them Shastri through DNA, linking them

:02:43. > :02:46.to famous figures from the past. -- to famous figures from the past. --

:02:46. > :02:47.peoples ancestry. Michael Mosley peoples ancestry. Michael Mosley

:02:47. > :02:48.investigates. If you were investigates. If you were

:02:49. > :02:50.investigates. If you were researching your family tree, you

:02:50. > :02:52.researching your family tree, you researching your family tree, you

:02:52. > :02:53.would probably start in a library would probably start in a library

:02:53. > :02:54.would probably start in a library or Online, but there are also

:02:54. > :02:57.or Online, but there are also or Online, but there are also

:02:57. > :02:58.family records hidden inside us. To family records hidden inside us. To

:02:58. > :02:59.family records hidden inside us. To family records hidden inside us. To

:02:59. > :03:00.find them, I need salt water to find them, I need salt water to

:03:00. > :03:02.find them, I need salt water to release some of my sails, washing

:03:02. > :03:05.release some of my sails, washing release some of my sails, washing

:03:05. > :03:08.up liquid and ice-cold alcohol. How up liquid and ice-cold alcohol. How

:03:08. > :03:09.up liquid and ice-cold alcohol. How up liquid and ice-cold alcohol. How

:03:09. > :03:10.can see a tiny little strand. That can see a tiny little strand. That

:03:10. > :03:12.can see a tiny little strand. That can see a tiny little strand. That

:03:12. > :03:13.is Miley DNA. My DNA is unique to is Miley DNA. My DNA is unique to

:03:14. > :03:15.is Miley DNA. My DNA is unique to is Miley DNA. My DNA is unique to

:03:15. > :03:16.me, but I have inherited parts of me, but I have inherited parts of

:03:16. > :03:18.me, but I have inherited parts of me, but I have inherited parts of

:03:18. > :03:19.it from a free generation of my it from a free generation of my

:03:19. > :03:21.it from a free generation of my family line. Scientists are using

:03:21. > :03:23.family line. Scientists are using family line. Scientists are using

:03:23. > :03:26.DNA to discover more about the DNA to discover more about the

:03:26. > :03:27.DNA to discover more about the origins of modern Britons. So, what

:03:27. > :03:29.origins of modern Britons. So, what origins of modern Britons. So, what

:03:29. > :03:31.origins of modern Britons. So, what is it in our DNA which leads the

:03:31. > :03:33.is it in our DNA which leads the is it in our DNA which leads the

:03:33. > :03:35.trail to our ancient ancestors? DNA trail to our ancient ancestors? DNA

:03:35. > :03:37.trail to our ancient ancestors? DNA trail to our ancient ancestors? DNA

:03:37. > :03:40.is a code written in four letters. is a code written in four letters.

:03:40. > :03:42.These represent four different These represent four different

:03:42. > :03:43.These represent four different chemicals. A sequence of around 6

:03:43. > :03:44.chemicals. A sequence of around 6 chemicals. A sequence of around 6

:03:44. > :03:46.billion letters is inherited from billion letters is inherited from

:03:46. > :03:48.billion letters is inherited from our parents. But occasionally, the

:03:48. > :03:49.our parents. But occasionally, the our parents. But occasionally, the

:03:49. > :03:50.sequence is copied wrongly. If I sequence is copied wrongly. If I

:03:50. > :03:51.sequence is copied wrongly. If I sequence is copied wrongly. If I

:03:51. > :03:53.had to repeat the same letters over had to repeat the same letters over

:03:53. > :03:53.had to repeat the same letters over had to repeat the same letters over

:03:54. > :03:56.and over again, then I would pretty and over again, then I would pretty

:03:56. > :03:58.and over again, then I would pretty soon make a mistake, perhaps

:03:58. > :03:59.soon make a mistake, perhaps soon make a mistake, perhaps

:03:59. > :04:01.putting down the wrong letter. putting down the wrong letter.

:04:01. > :04:03.putting down the wrong letter. Exactly the same thing happens when

:04:03. > :04:04.Exactly the same thing happens when Exactly the same thing happens when

:04:04. > :04:05.new DNA is created. Sometimes you new DNA is created. Sometimes you

:04:05. > :04:06.new DNA is created. Sometimes you new DNA is created. Sometimes you

:04:06. > :04:08.will get an error, which is known will get an error, which is known

:04:08. > :04:08.will get an error, which is known will get an error, which is known

:04:08. > :04:13.as a mutation. It is also an as a mutation. It is also an

:04:13. > :04:15.incredibly useful genetic marker. incredibly useful genetic marker.

:04:15. > :04:16.incredibly useful genetic marker. These mutations act as markers,

:04:16. > :04:16.These mutations act as markers, These mutations act as markers,

:04:16. > :04:18.These mutations act as markers, because they show the start of a

:04:18. > :04:20.because they show the start of a because they show the start of a

:04:20. > :04:20.new line of ancestry, and anybody new line of ancestry, and anybody

:04:20. > :04:26.new line of ancestry, and anybody new line of ancestry, and anybody

:04:26. > :04:27.who shares that market share as a who shares that market share as a

:04:27. > :04:28.who shares that market share as a common ancestor. -- marker shares.

:04:28. > :04:31.common ancestor. -- marker shares. common ancestor. -- marker shares.

:04:31. > :04:33.common ancestor. -- marker shares. I have sent a DNA sample to a

:04:33. > :04:34.I have sent a DNA sample to a I have sent a DNA sample to a

:04:34. > :04:36.population geneticist. He works for population geneticist. He works for

:04:36. > :04:38.population geneticist. He works for a genetics history company. He uses

:04:38. > :04:39.a genetics history company. He uses a genetics history company. He uses

:04:39. > :04:40.a genetics history company. He uses a method which reveals parts of the

:04:40. > :04:43.a method which reveals parts of the a method which reveals parts of the

:04:43. > :04:44.world my ancestors might have come world my ancestors might have come

:04:45. > :04:46.world my ancestors might have come from. We compare how many markers

:04:46. > :04:47.from. We compare how many markers from. We compare how many markers

:04:47. > :04:48.from. We compare how many markers you sure, how much DNA you share

:04:48. > :04:49.you sure, how much DNA you share you sure, how much DNA you share

:04:49. > :04:51.with people in our database, people with people in our database, people

:04:51. > :04:52.with people in our database, people from other parts of Europe, from

:04:52. > :04:55.from other parts of Europe, from from other parts of Europe, from

:04:55. > :04:57.the Near East, from Africa. They the Near East, from Africa. They

:04:57. > :05:00.the Near East, from Africa. They can cross reference samples with a

:05:00. > :05:00.can cross reference samples with a can cross reference samples with a

:05:00. > :05:04.worldwide database of more than worldwide database of more than

:05:04. > :05:05.worldwide database of more than 100,000 DNA records. By finding

:05:05. > :05:06.100,000 DNA records. By finding 100,000 DNA records. By finding

:05:06. > :05:08.100,000 DNA records. By finding where a market is most common, they

:05:08. > :05:10.where a market is most common, they where a market is most common, they

:05:10. > :05:11.can suggest where it originated. can suggest where it originated.

:05:11. > :05:13.can suggest where it originated. am guessing that on my mother's

:05:13. > :05:15.am guessing that on my mother's am guessing that on my mother's

:05:15. > :05:16.side, there is some Irish and side, there is some Irish and

:05:16. > :05:17.side, there is some Irish and Scottish, and on my father's side,

:05:17. > :05:20.Scottish, and on my father's side, Scottish, and on my father's side,

:05:20. > :05:21.the story goes that we were the story goes that we were

:05:21. > :05:22.the story goes that we were the story goes that we were

:05:22. > :05:24.Armenian. Well, I do not see any Armenian. Well, I do not see any

:05:24. > :05:25.Armenian. Well, I do not see any evidence of Armenian ancestry...

:05:25. > :05:26.evidence of Armenian ancestry... evidence of Armenian ancestry...

:05:26. > :05:30.where do they think my father's where do they think my father's

:05:30. > :05:32.where do they think my father's family might have come from?

:05:32. > :05:32.family might have come from? family might have come from?

:05:33. > :05:34.family might have come from? belong to a group which we call

:05:34. > :05:35.belong to a group which we call belong to a group which we call

:05:35. > :05:37.Germanic, for ease. It is most Germanic, for ease. It is most

:05:37. > :05:38.Germanic, for ease. It is most common, as you would predict, in

:05:38. > :05:38.common, as you would predict, in common, as you would predict, in

:05:38. > :05:42.common, as you would predict, in the north of Germany, and in the

:05:42. > :05:43.the north of Germany, and in the the north of Germany, and in the

:05:43. > :05:44.Low countries. That kind of Low countries. That kind of

:05:44. > :05:47.Low countries. That kind of rewrites our family history. How

:05:47. > :05:49.rewrites our family history. How interesting. In reality, though,

:05:49. > :05:51.interesting. In reality, though, interesting. In reality, though,

:05:51. > :05:52.this test only covers the Y this test only covers the Y

:05:52. > :05:53.this test only covers the Y chromosome from the father lie-in

:05:53. > :05:54.chromosome from the father lie-in chromosome from the father lie-in

:05:54. > :05:56.chromosome from the father lie-in and a certain kind of DNA from the

:05:56. > :05:58.and a certain kind of DNA from the motherland. A more comprehensive

:05:58. > :05:59.motherland. A more comprehensive motherland. A more comprehensive

:05:59. > :06:00.approach would be to study the approach would be to study the

:06:00. > :06:03.approach would be to study the whole genome, and despite recent

:06:03. > :06:05.whole genome, and despite recent whole genome, and despite recent

:06:05. > :06:07.publicity, it is difficult to publicity, it is difficult to

:06:07. > :06:08.identify individual ancestors with identify individual ancestors with

:06:08. > :06:09.identify individual ancestors with any certainty, because this test

:06:09. > :06:10.any certainty, because this test any certainty, because this test

:06:10. > :06:11.delves deeper into the past than delves deeper into the past than

:06:11. > :06:12.delves deeper into the past than most existing Genie ology records.

:06:12. > :06:15.most existing Genie ology records. most existing Genie ology records.

:06:15. > :06:18.It is not cheap, either. Tests It is not cheap, either. Tests

:06:18. > :06:18.It is not cheap, either. Tests start at around �170 each. But

:06:18. > :06:20.start at around �170 each. But start at around �170 each. But

:06:20. > :06:22.these limited results can be these limited results can be

:06:22. > :06:22.intriguing. We have gathered intriguing. We have gathered

:06:23. > :06:24.intriguing. We have gathered together around 50 people who have

:06:25. > :06:26.together around 50 people who have together around 50 people who have

:06:26. > :06:27.been tested. Their markers have got been tested. Their markers have got

:06:27. > :06:30.been tested. Their markers have got nicknames which indicate an early

:06:30. > :06:31.nicknames which indicate an early nicknames which indicate an early

:06:31. > :06:35.part of their lineage. My ancestors part of their lineage. My ancestors

:06:35. > :06:39.part of their lineage. My ancestors come from France. My father's line

:06:39. > :06:40.come from France. My father's line come from France. My father's line

:06:40. > :06:41.is Scandinavian. Ancient Irish. is Scandinavian. Ancient Irish.

:06:41. > :06:43.is Scandinavian. Ancient Irish. have asked the volunteers to sit

:06:43. > :06:44.have asked the volunteers to sit have asked the volunteers to sit

:06:44. > :06:46.with other people they show markers with other people they show markers

:06:47. > :06:48.with other people they show markers with other people they show markers

:06:48. > :06:49.with. The room reveals some of the with. The room reveals some of the

:06:49. > :06:51.with. The room reveals some of the broad results. It probably goes

:06:51. > :06:51.broad results. It probably goes broad results. It probably goes

:06:52. > :06:53.broad results. It probably goes broad results. It probably goes

:06:53. > :06:54.back a long way. It is also a very back a long way. It is also a very

:06:54. > :06:55.back a long way. It is also a very unusual type, and we have only

:06:55. > :06:56.unusual type, and we have only unusual type, and we have only

:06:56. > :06:58.unusual type, and we have only found one or two of them in

:06:58. > :06:59.found one or two of them in found one or two of them in

:06:59. > :07:00.found one or two of them in Scotland. I guess that is the joy

:07:00. > :07:01.Scotland. I guess that is the joy Scotland. I guess that is the joy

:07:01. > :07:03.Scotland. I guess that is the joy of DNA, it takes you places you

:07:03. > :07:04.of DNA, it takes you places you of DNA, it takes you places you

:07:05. > :07:07.have never imagined. So, yours came have never imagined. So, yours came

:07:07. > :07:08.have never imagined. So, yours came back inconclusive, but you did go

:07:08. > :07:09.back inconclusive, but you did go back inconclusive, but you did go

:07:09. > :07:12.back inconclusive, but you did go on Who Do You Think You Are?.

:07:12. > :07:13.on Who Do You Think You Are?. on Who Do You Think You Are?.

:07:13. > :07:15.on Who Do You Think You Are?. it wobbles -- it was one of the

:07:15. > :07:16.it wobbles -- it was one of the most extraordinary experiences of

:07:16. > :07:17.most extraordinary experiences of most extraordinary experiences of

:07:17. > :07:18.most extraordinary experiences of the last 10 years of my life. They

:07:18. > :07:19.the last 10 years of my life. They the last 10 years of my life. They

:07:19. > :07:22.went back down my maternal line, went back down my maternal line,

:07:22. > :07:24.went back down my maternal line, without any breaks, straight back,

:07:24. > :07:26.without any breaks, straight back, without any breaks, straight back,

:07:26. > :07:27.without any breaks, straight back, and it turned out that some of my

:07:27. > :07:28.and it turned out that some of my and it turned out that some of my

:07:28. > :07:29.ancestors were the very first ancestors were the very first

:07:29. > :07:31.ancestors were the very first settlers in Boston on the east

:07:31. > :07:32.settlers in Boston on the east settlers in Boston on the east

:07:32. > :07:33.settlers in Boston on the east coast of America. I was one of the

:07:33. > :07:34.coast of America. I was one of the first white Americans, genetically.

:07:34. > :07:36.first white Americans, genetically. first white Americans, genetically.

:07:36. > :07:38.They found out that another They found out that another

:07:38. > :07:39.They found out that another ancestor, about one generation down,

:07:39. > :07:40.ancestor, about one generation down, ancestor, about one generation down,

:07:40. > :07:41.ancestor, about one generation down, was the stepfather to a woman whom

:07:41. > :07:41.was the stepfather to a woman whom was the stepfather to a woman whom

:07:41. > :07:42.was the stepfather to a woman whom he what a start of his house, he

:07:43. > :07:44.he what a start of his house, he he what a start of his house, he

:07:44. > :07:46.he what a start of his house, he hated her, for some reason, and she

:07:46. > :07:47.hated her, for some reason, and she was eventually married, after

:07:47. > :07:48.was eventually married, after was eventually married, after

:07:48. > :07:50.was eventually married, after begging on the streets, to a guy

:07:50. > :07:51.begging on the streets, to a guy begging on the streets, to a guy

:07:51. > :07:53.from Salem in Massachusetts, and from Salem in Massachusetts, and

:07:53. > :07:54.from Salem in Massachusetts, and from Salem in Massachusetts, and

:07:54. > :07:55.she turned out to be the second she turned out to be the second

:07:55. > :08:00.she turned out to be the second she turned out to be the second

:08:00. > :08:04.witch to be hung in the witch witch to be hung in the witch

:08:04. > :08:10.witch to be hung in the witch trials. Pretty cool, hey? That's

:08:10. > :08:10.trials. Pretty cool, hey? That's trials. Pretty cool, hey? That's

:08:10. > :08:11.the inconclusive but! Now, straight the inconclusive but! Now, straight

:08:11. > :08:13.the inconclusive but! Now, straight after Askham Richard will be

:08:13. > :08:14.after Askham Richard will be after Askham Richard will be

:08:14. > :08:15.after Askham Richard will be running off at top speed to help

:08:15. > :08:15.running off at top speed to help running off at top speed to help

:08:16. > :08:17.Graham Norton with his presenting Graham Norton with his presenting

:08:17. > :08:19.Graham Norton with his presenting duties for his epic Comic Relief

:08:19. > :08:23.duties for his epic Comic Relief duties for his epic Comic Relief

:08:23. > :08:25.duties for his epic Comic Relief challenge. But the art of being a

:08:25. > :08:25.challenge. But the art of being a challenge. But the art of being a

:08:25. > :08:27.professional TV chat person has professional TV chat person has

:08:27. > :08:30.professional TV chat person has changed over the years, as

:08:30. > :08:31.changed over the years, as changed over the years, as

:08:31. > :08:34.Angellica Bell explains. For more Angellica Bell explains. For more

:08:34. > :08:35.Angellica Bell explains. For more than 60 years, the classic

:08:35. > :08:36.than 60 years, the classic than 60 years, the classic

:08:36. > :08:37.combination of sofa, studio and combination of sofa, studio and

:08:37. > :08:42.combination of sofa, studio and celebrity has kept the nation

:08:42. > :08:44.celebrity has kept the nation entertained. From showbiz to

:08:44. > :08:45.entertained. From showbiz to serious, to the downright

:08:45. > :08:47.serious, to the downright serious, to the downright

:08:47. > :08:48.disturbing, what does it take to disturbing, what does it take to

:08:48. > :08:49.disturbing, what does it take to make a great chat show? Surely

:08:49. > :08:50.make a great chat show? Surely make a great chat show? Surely

:08:50. > :08:51.make a great chat show? Surely there is more to it than just

:08:51. > :08:52.there is more to it than just there is more to it than just

:08:52. > :08:55.there is more to it than just asking a few questions? Let me tell

:08:55. > :08:57.asking a few questions? Let me tell asking a few questions? Let me tell

:08:57. > :08:58.you, back in 1962, America you, back in 1962, America

:08:58. > :09:02.you, back in 1962, America witnessed the birth of the first

:09:02. > :09:03.witnessed the birth of the first witnessed the birth of the first

:09:03. > :09:05.chat show superstar. Johnny Carson chat show superstar. Johnny Carson

:09:05. > :09:07.chat show superstar. Johnny Carson became a blueprint for the chat

:09:07. > :09:09.became a blueprint for the chat became a blueprint for the chat

:09:09. > :09:10.show, with music, jokes and one show, with music, jokes and one

:09:10. > :09:11.show, with music, jokes and one looks. After the war in Britain,

:09:11. > :09:12.looks. After the war in Britain, looks. After the war in Britain,

:09:12. > :09:15.audiences had to make do with audiences had to make do with

:09:15. > :09:17.audiences had to make do with something a bit less glitzy. This

:09:18. > :09:18.something a bit less glitzy. This something a bit less glitzy. This

:09:18. > :09:19.show was so focused on the show was so focused on the

:09:19. > :09:20.show was so focused on the interviewee, you never really got

:09:20. > :09:21.interviewee, you never really got interviewee, you never really got

:09:21. > :09:22.interviewee, you never really got to see more than the shoulder of

:09:22. > :09:23.to see more than the shoulder of to see more than the shoulder of

:09:23. > :09:25.the host. Ladies and gentlemen, the host. Ladies and gentlemen,

:09:25. > :09:26.the host. Ladies and gentlemen, the host. Ladies and gentlemen,

:09:26. > :09:28.first guest has twice been voted TV first guest has twice been voted TV

:09:28. > :09:29.first guest has twice been voted TV first guest has twice been voted TV

:09:29. > :09:32.critic of the year, please put your critic of the year, please put your

:09:32. > :09:33.critic of the year, please put your hands together for Mr mark Lawson!

:09:33. > :09:34.hands together for Mr mark Lawson! hands together for Mr mark Lawson!

:09:35. > :09:36.There have been two types of There have been two types of

:09:36. > :09:37.There have been two types of interview on television. The first

:09:37. > :09:39.interview on television. The first interview on television. The first

:09:39. > :09:39.grow out of newspaper journalism, grow out of newspaper journalism,

:09:39. > :09:43.grow out of newspaper journalism, and it was the one-to-one, the

:09:43. > :09:45.and it was the one-to-one, the face-to-face, an intense

:09:45. > :09:47.face-to-face, an intense face-to-face, an intense

:09:47. > :09:48.interrogation of one guest. I can interrogation of one guest. I can

:09:48. > :09:51.interrogation of one guest. I can remember seeing the clan actually

:09:51. > :09:53.remember seeing the clan actually beat negroes... Michael Parkinson,

:09:53. > :09:54.beat negroes... Michael Parkinson, beat negroes... Michael Parkinson,

:09:54. > :09:55.the former newspaper journalist, is the former newspaper journalist, is

:09:55. > :09:56.the former newspaper journalist, is the former newspaper journalist, is

:09:56. > :09:59.the great example of that. On the the great example of that. On the

:09:59. > :10:00.the great example of that. On the other hand, you have got comedians

:10:01. > :10:03.other hand, you have got comedians or performers. David frost,

:10:03. > :10:04.or performers. David frost, or performers. David frost,

:10:04. > :10:05.although he got his great interview although he got his great interview

:10:05. > :10:07.although he got his great interview with Richard Nixon, was a comedian

:10:07. > :10:08.with Richard Nixon, was a comedian with Richard Nixon, was a comedian

:10:08. > :10:10.presenter, and that line has been presenter, and that line has been

:10:10. > :10:12.presenter, and that line has been carried on by David Letterman,

:10:13. > :10:14.carried on by David Letterman, carried on by David Letterman,

:10:14. > :10:15.Graham Norton, Jonathan Ross, who Graham Norton, Jonathan Ross, who

:10:15. > :10:17.Graham Norton, Jonathan Ross, who in different ways are essentially

:10:17. > :10:19.in different ways are essentially in different ways are essentially

:10:19. > :10:20.comedians. In what ways have the comedians. In what ways have the

:10:20. > :10:21.comedians. In what ways have the guests changed? The only way you

:10:21. > :10:23.guests changed? The only way you guests changed? The only way you

:10:23. > :10:24.guests changed? The only way you will get access to Madonna or Brad

:10:24. > :10:25.will get access to Madonna or Brad will get access to Madonna or Brad

:10:25. > :10:26.will get access to Madonna or Brad Pitt is if they have something to

:10:26. > :10:26.Pitt is if they have something to Pitt is if they have something to

:10:27. > :10:28.Pitt is if they have something to flog, so it has become more and

:10:28. > :10:29.flog, so it has become more and flog, so it has become more and

:10:30. > :10:31.more of a fight against plugging more of a fight against plugging

:10:31. > :10:33.more of a fight against plugging and marketing. He has interviewed

:10:33. > :10:34.and marketing. He has interviewed and marketing. He has interviewed

:10:34. > :10:35.eight prime ministers, seven US eight prime ministers, seven US

:10:35. > :10:38.eight prime ministers, seven US President's, and now he is talking

:10:38. > :10:39.President's, and now he is talking President's, and now he is talking

:10:39. > :10:40.President's, and now he is talking to me - please welcome the legend

:10:40. > :10:45.to me - please welcome the legend to me - please welcome the legend

:10:45. > :10:48.of chat shows, Sir David frost. of chat shows, Sir David frost.

:10:48. > :10:51.of chat shows, Sir David frost. Hello, good evening and welcome.

:10:51. > :10:51.Hello, good evening and welcome. Hello, good evening and welcome.

:10:52. > :10:53.Hello, good evening and welcome. Beautifully done just an I am a bit

:10:53. > :10:54.Beautifully done just an I am a bit Beautifully done just an I am a bit

:10:54. > :10:56.Beautifully done just an I am a bit nervous talking to you, but as a

:10:56. > :10:56.nervous talking to you, but as a nervous talking to you, but as a

:10:56. > :10:57.nervous talking to you, but as a talk-show host, what can I do to

:10:57. > :11:01.talk-show host, what can I do to talk-show host, what can I do to

:11:01. > :11:02.talk-show host, what can I do to get you as my guest? Eye contact is

:11:02. > :11:03.get you as my guest? Eye contact is get you as my guest? Eye contact is

:11:03. > :11:04.get you as my guest? Eye contact is the key thing. Once you have got

:11:04. > :11:05.the key thing. Once you have got the key thing. Once you have got

:11:05. > :11:07.that, you learn more about them, that, you learn more about them,

:11:07. > :11:08.that, you learn more about them, and they will be concentrating on

:11:08. > :11:09.and they will be concentrating on and they will be concentrating on

:11:09. > :11:10.you and your questions, more than you and your questions, more than

:11:10. > :11:11.you and your questions, more than you and your questions, more than

:11:11. > :11:13.what they want to say. So in that what they want to say. So in that

:11:13. > :11:14.what they want to say. So in that situation, you take the initiative.

:11:14. > :11:16.situation, you take the initiative. situation, you take the initiative.

:11:16. > :11:17.What makes the perfect guest? What makes the perfect guest?

:11:17. > :11:18.What makes the perfect guest? What makes the perfect guest?

:11:18. > :11:21.would say it is someone who has would say it is someone who has

:11:21. > :11:23.would say it is someone who has real personality and has the

:11:23. > :11:24.real personality and has the real personality and has the

:11:24. > :11:27.ability to surprise you with what ability to surprise you with what

:11:27. > :11:28.ability to surprise you with what they say. For instance, I found

:11:28. > :11:29.they say. For instance, I found they say. For instance, I found

:11:29. > :11:33.they say. For instance, I found that out with John Lennon and Yoko

:11:33. > :11:34.that out with John Lennon and Yoko that out with John Lennon and Yoko

:11:34. > :11:36.were no. Because they were enjoying were no. Because they were enjoying

:11:36. > :11:37.were no. Because they were enjoying themselves, it was a very relaxed

:11:37. > :11:40.themselves, it was a very relaxed themselves, it was a very relaxed

:11:40. > :11:40.themselves, it was a very relaxed and easy session, as it were.

:11:40. > :11:42.and easy session, as it were. and easy session, as it were.

:11:42. > :11:44.and easy session, as it were. you run the questions by the guests

:11:44. > :11:45.you run the questions by the guests you run the questions by the guests

:11:45. > :11:46.beforehand? Never. With politics or beforehand? Never. With politics or

:11:46. > :11:47.beforehand? Never. With politics or serious topics, you cannot tell

:11:47. > :11:49.serious topics, you cannot tell serious topics, you cannot tell

:11:49. > :11:50.them in advance the questions. them in advance the questions.

:11:50. > :11:51.them in advance the questions. Surprised if any the great factor,

:11:51. > :11:52.Surprised if any the great factor, Surprised if any the great factor,

:11:52. > :11:53.Surprised if any the great factor, not in the sense of an ambush, but

:11:53. > :11:54.not in the sense of an ambush, but not in the sense of an ambush, but

:11:54. > :11:55.asking them questions they did not asking them questions they did not

:11:55. > :11:56.asking them questions they did not asking them questions they did not

:11:56. > :11:58.know they were going to be asked, know they were going to be asked,

:11:58. > :11:59.know they were going to be asked, and that they enjoy trying to

:11:59. > :12:00.and that they enjoy trying to and that they enjoy trying to

:12:00. > :12:01.and that they enjoy trying to answer. How have I done?I think

:12:01. > :12:04.answer. How have I done?I think answer. How have I done?I think

:12:04. > :12:05.answer. How have I done?I think you have done just superb. I think

:12:05. > :12:10.you have done just superb. I think you have done just superb. I think

:12:10. > :12:10.you have done just superb. I think she is a born star. Well, just

:12:11. > :12:12.she is a born star. Well, just she is a born star. Well, just

:12:12. > :12:21.maybe the real secret is, whatever maybe the real secret is, whatever

:12:21. > :12:23.maybe the real secret is, whatever happens, just keep talking. Well,

:12:23. > :12:24.happens, just keep talking. Well, happens, just keep talking. Well,

:12:24. > :12:27.happens, just keep talking. Well, maybe my cooking. Oh, I think that

:12:27. > :12:28.maybe my cooking. Oh, I think that maybe my cooking. Oh, I think that

:12:28. > :12:31.maybe my cooking. Oh, I think that is a fara long. It was a wonderful

:12:31. > :12:31.is a fara long. It was a wonderful is a fara long. It was a wonderful

:12:31. > :12:33.is a fara long. It was a wonderful moment! It was, because we got to

:12:33. > :12:34.moment! It was, because we got to moment! It was, because we got to

:12:35. > :12:35.go home early. We were wondering go home early. We were wondering

:12:35. > :12:36.go home early. We were wondering go home early. We were wondering

:12:36. > :12:38.whether or not we were going to whether or not we were going to

:12:38. > :12:39.whether or not we were going to whether or not we were going to

:12:39. > :12:40.come back in, and they said, no, come back in, and they said, no,

:12:40. > :12:41.come back in, and they said, no, come back in, and they said, no,

:12:41. > :12:44.you have run out of time. That you have run out of time. That

:12:44. > :12:45.you have run out of time. That you have run out of time. That

:12:45. > :12:46.never happened to us. This used to never happened to us. This used to

:12:46. > :12:50.never happened to us. This used to be an office, so they left

:12:50. > :12:51.be an office, so they left be an office, so they left

:12:51. > :12:51.be an office, so they left everything in. But you did it for

:12:51. > :12:55.everything in. But you did it for everything in. But you did it for

:12:55. > :12:57.everything in. But you did it for 21 years, what we are doing. Yes.

:12:57. > :12:59.21 years, what we are doing. Yes. 21 years, what we are doing. Yes.

:12:59. > :13:01.Everybody asks asked, who were the Everybody asks asked, who were the

:13:01. > :13:02.Everybody asks asked, who were the best guests and the worst? We

:13:02. > :13:03.best guests and the worst? We best guests and the worst? We

:13:03. > :13:04.best guests and the worst? We always say the same. We want to

:13:04. > :13:05.always say the same. We want to always say the same. We want to

:13:05. > :13:07.always say the same. We want to know who was your worst and best?

:13:07. > :13:08.know who was your worst and best? know who was your worst and best?

:13:08. > :13:09.would say the best were the would say the best were the

:13:09. > :13:11.would say the best were the Clintons, and we didn't separately.

:13:12. > :13:12.Clintons, and we didn't separately. Hillary Clinton in particular,

:13:12. > :13:16.Hillary Clinton in particular, Hillary Clinton in particular,

:13:16. > :13:17.because she is so bright. Judy because she is so bright. Judy

:13:17. > :13:19.because she is so bright. Judy asked her just the right question

:13:19. > :13:19.asked her just the right question asked her just the right question

:13:19. > :13:20.about Monica Lewinsky, which was about Monica Lewinsky, which was

:13:20. > :13:21.about Monica Lewinsky, which was about Monica Lewinsky, which was

:13:21. > :13:22.the elephant in the room, and she the elephant in the room, and she

:13:22. > :13:23.the elephant in the room, and she the elephant in the room, and she

:13:23. > :13:24.put it in such a good way that put it in such a good way that

:13:24. > :13:26.put it in such a good way that Hillary Clinton felt confident and

:13:26. > :13:27.Hillary Clinton felt confident and Hillary Clinton felt confident and

:13:27. > :13:28.relaxed, and she thought, that was relaxed, and she thought, that was

:13:28. > :13:28.relaxed, and she thought, that was relaxed, and she thought, that was

:13:29. > :13:31.the big one over, and she relaxed, the big one over, and she relaxed,

:13:31. > :13:32.the big one over, and she relaxed, and she gave a brilliant interview.

:13:32. > :13:34.and she gave a brilliant interview. and she gave a brilliant interview.

:13:34. > :13:35.Bill Clinton was a very close Bill Clinton was a very close

:13:35. > :13:39.Bill Clinton was a very close second. But the worst one was

:13:39. > :13:40.second. But the worst one was second. But the worst one was

:13:40. > :13:41.undoubtedly Chris Rock. Why?He undoubtedly Chris Rock. Why?He

:13:41. > :13:43.undoubtedly Chris Rock. Why?He undoubtedly Chris Rock. Why?He

:13:43. > :13:45.came on with Ben Stiller to promote came on with Ben Stiller to promote

:13:45. > :13:46.came on with Ben Stiller to promote Madagascar. Ben Stiller was great

:13:46. > :13:47.Madagascar. Ben Stiller was great Madagascar. Ben Stiller was great

:13:47. > :13:49.Madagascar. Ben Stiller was great but Chris Rock was just awful. He

:13:49. > :13:50.but Chris Rock was just awful. He but Chris Rock was just awful. He

:13:50. > :13:51.but Chris Rock was just awful. He kept turning his back on Judy, he

:13:51. > :13:53.kept turning his back on Judy, he kept turning his back on Judy, he

:13:53. > :13:54.thought he was being funny, and thought he was being funny, and

:13:54. > :13:58.interrupting questions, by speaking interrupting questions, by speaking

:13:58. > :13:59.interrupting questions, by speaking interrupting questions, by speaking

:13:59. > :14:00.to Ben Stiller. It was one of the to Ben Stiller. It was one of the

:14:00. > :14:01.to Ben Stiller. It was one of the rare pre- recorded moments, but had

:14:01. > :14:01.rare pre- recorded moments, but had rare pre- recorded moments, but had

:14:01. > :14:02.rare pre- recorded moments, but had it been alive, I would have said to

:14:02. > :14:03.it been alive, I would have said to it been alive, I would have said to

:14:03. > :14:07.it been alive, I would have said to him, why don't you go and get a

:14:07. > :14:08.him, why don't you go and get a him, why don't you go and get a

:14:08. > :14:09.him, why don't you go and get a coffee? But it was a pre- record so

:14:09. > :14:10.coffee? But it was a pre- record so coffee? But it was a pre- record so

:14:11. > :14:12.coffee? But it was a pre- record so we had to edit around it. I was

:14:12. > :14:13.we had to edit around it. I was we had to edit around it. I was

:14:13. > :14:14.asked this question for a magazine, asked this question for a magazine,

:14:14. > :14:15.asked this question for a magazine, asked this question for a magazine,

:14:15. > :14:17.and I said it was Chris Rock, and I said it was Chris Rock,

:14:17. > :14:18.and I said it was Chris Rock, and I said it was Chris Rock,

:14:18. > :14:19.because I said he was a complete... because I said he was a complete...

:14:19. > :14:20.because I said he was a complete... because I said he was a complete...

:14:20. > :14:23.It was a really bad word. About It was a really bad word. About

:14:23. > :14:25.It was a really bad word. About three months later, in the magazine,

:14:25. > :14:25.three months later, in the magazine, three months later, in the magazine,

:14:26. > :14:27.three months later, in the magazine, there was a big picture of Chris

:14:28. > :14:29.there was a big picture of Chris there was a big picture of Chris

:14:29. > :14:29.Rock, and underneath it was the Rock, and underneath it was the

:14:29. > :14:39.Rock, and underneath it was the captain, and they had actually

:14:39. > :14:48.

:14:48. > :14:51.captain, and they had actually Now, you are doing this thing for

:14:51. > :14:53.Now, you are doing this thing for Now, you are doing this thing for

:14:53. > :14:55.Now, you are doing this thing for Comic Relief. Oh, yes, Ali G.Well,

:14:55. > :14:57.Comic Relief. Oh, yes, Ali G.Well, Comic Relief. Oh, yes, Ali G.Well,

:14:57. > :14:59.we wondered... I have �5.50. we wondered... I have �5.50.

:14:59. > :14:59.we wondered... I have �5.50. we wondered... I have �5.50.

:14:59. > :15:01.If you put that down for Comic If you put that down for Comic

:15:01. > :15:03.If you put that down for Comic If you put that down for Comic

:15:03. > :15:05.Relief, will you put this on with Relief, will you put this on with

:15:05. > :15:06.Relief, will you put this on with Relief, will you put this on with

:15:06. > :15:08.the glasses? Good lad! I have not the glasses? Good lad! I have not

:15:08. > :15:09.the glasses? Good lad! I have not done this since 1990, whenever it

:15:09. > :15:10.was. was.

:15:10. > :15:12.was. This is great. While you are

:15:12. > :15:15.This is great. While you are This is great. While you are

:15:15. > :15:17.getting on, tell us what is happening tonight.

:15:17. > :15:19.happening tonight. happening tonight.

:15:19. > :15:20.happening tonight. happening tonight.

:15:20. > :15:22.Is it cos I is black. Do you have Is it cos I is black. Do you have

:15:22. > :15:24.Is it cos I is black. Do you have my Judy with you? Right, Graham

:15:24. > :15:27.my Judy with you? Right, Graham my Judy with you? Right, Graham

:15:27. > :15:28.Norton is doing a marathon show Norton is doing a marathon show

:15:28. > :15:29.Norton is doing a marathon show from 7.00pm to 1.00am. Asking the

:15:29. > :15:30.from 7.00pm to 1.00am. Asking the from 7.00pm to 1.00am. Asking the

:15:30. > :15:31.most number of different questions most number of different questions

:15:31. > :15:32.most number of different questions most number of different questions

:15:32. > :15:33.on a live chat show. People can on a live chat show. People can

:15:33. > :15:35.on a live chat show. People can on a live chat show. People can

:15:35. > :15:37.text in the questions. They must be text in the questions. They must be

:15:37. > :15:38.text in the questions. They must be different questions. He will have

:15:38. > :15:39.different questions. He will have different questions. He will have

:15:39. > :15:40.different questions. He will have co-hosts along the way. I will be

:15:40. > :15:41.co-hosts along the way. I will be co-hosts along the way. I will be

:15:41. > :15:43.helping him for half an hour. helping him for half an hour.

:15:43. > :15:45.helping him for half an hour. helping him for half an hour.

:15:45. > :15:47.Do you know which guests you have Do you know which guests you have

:15:47. > :15:49.Do you know which guests you have Do you know which guests you have

:15:49. > :15:51.got? Oh, yes, 358 Omagh Faith and got? Oh, yes, 358 Omagh Faith and

:15:51. > :15:53.got? Oh, yes, 358 Omagh Faith and someone else! There are about 40

:15:53. > :15:55.someone else! There are about 40 guests all together. Ronnie

:15:55. > :15:57.guests all together. Ronnie guests all together. Ronnie

:15:57. > :15:58.Corbett... Yes. There is also a Corbett... Yes. There is also a

:15:58. > :15:59.Corbett... Yes. There is also a kissing booth. The live kissing

:15:59. > :16:00.kissing booth. The live kissing kissing booth. The live kissing

:16:00. > :16:02.booth and beautiful famous people, booth and beautiful famous people,

:16:02. > :16:02.booth and beautiful famous people, booth and beautiful famous people,

:16:02. > :16:04.prepared to be kiss. So if you come prepared to be kiss. So if you come

:16:04. > :16:04.prepared to be kiss. So if you come down to the Television Centre, you

:16:04. > :16:06.down to the Television Centre, you down to the Television Centre, you

:16:06. > :16:07.down to the Television Centre, you can make a donation and get a kiss.

:16:07. > :16:10.can make a donation and get a kiss. can make a donation and get a kiss.

:16:10. > :16:12.can make a donation and get a kiss. How cool is that sham Check it!Ali

:16:12. > :16:13.How cool is that sham Check it!Ali How cool is that sham Check it!Ali

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:16:16. > :16:17.see Comic Relief's Big Chat With see Comic Relief's Big Chat With

:16:17. > :16:19.see Comic Relief's Big Chat With Graham Norton tonight up until

:16:19. > :16:21.1.00am. 1.00am.

:16:21. > :16:22.1.00am. Now on the show yesterday, Justin

:16:22. > :16:23.Now on the show yesterday, Justin Now on the show yesterday, Justin

:16:23. > :16:24.Rowlatt began his journey finding Rowlatt began his journey finding

:16:24. > :16:26.Rowlatt began his journey finding out about what his grandfather did

:16:26. > :16:28.out about what his grandfather did during the war.

:16:28. > :16:29.during the war. during the war.

:16:29. > :16:30.It was extraordinary. Tonight he It was extraordinary. Tonight he

:16:30. > :16:34.It was extraordinary. Tonight he discovers more about his final

:16:34. > :16:35.moments. moments.

:16:35. > :16:37.moments. Recently, I discovered that my

:16:37. > :16:39.Recently, I discovered that my Recently, I discovered that my

:16:39. > :16:40.grandfather was recruited to be a grandfather was recruited to be a

:16:40. > :16:43.grandfather was recruited to be a part of a secret intelligence

:16:43. > :16:44.part of a secret intelligence part of a secret intelligence

:16:44. > :16:46.part of a secret intelligence commando team, set up by none other

:16:46. > :16:47.commando team, set up by none other commando team, set up by none other

:16:47. > :16:49.commando team, set up by none other than Ian Fleming. The man who would

:16:49. > :16:50.than Ian Fleming. The man who would than Ian Fleming. The man who would

:16:50. > :16:52.than Ian Fleming. The man who would go on to create James Bond. On June

:16:52. > :16:54.go on to create James Bond. On June go on to create James Bond. On June

:16:54. > :16:55.the 10th, four days after the the 10th, four days after the

:16:55. > :16:56.the 10th, four days after the greatest invasion in history, D-Day.

:16:56. > :16:59.greatest invasion in history, D-Day. greatest invasion in history, D-Day.

:16:59. > :17:01.greatest invasion in history, D-Day. He set out on his first mission. My

:17:01. > :17:02.He set out on his first mission. My He set out on his first mission. My

:17:02. > :17:03.grandfather was lucky. There was grandfather was lucky. There was

:17:03. > :17:05.grandfather was lucky. There was almost no resistance when the team

:17:05. > :17:07.almost no resistance when the team almost no resistance when the team

:17:07. > :17:11.landed here at Utah Beach. landed here at Utah Beach.

:17:11. > :17:12.landed here at Utah Beach. One of my grand father's comrades,

:17:12. > :17:13.One of my grand father's comrades, One of my grand father's comrades,

:17:13. > :17:14.remembers them landing in the aftermath invasion.

:17:14. > :17:15.aftermath invasion. aftermath invasion.

:17:15. > :17:16.aftermath invasion. You see that the boat is lying all

:17:17. > :17:18.You see that the boat is lying all over the place.

:17:18. > :17:18.over the place. over the place.

:17:18. > :17:21.over the place. They really had a tough time, but

:17:21. > :17:21.They really had a tough time, but They really had a tough time, but

:17:21. > :17:22.They really had a tough time, but they did the business. We walked to

:17:22. > :17:25.they did the business. We walked to they did the business. We walked to

:17:25. > :17:26.shore almost with dry feet. shore almost with dry feet.

:17:27. > :17:30.shore almost with dry feet. shore almost with dry feet.

:17:30. > :17:32.But the unit's luck would not last. But the unit's luck would not last.

:17:32. > :17:33.But the unit's luck would not last. Historian Pall Wood age helps the

:17:33. > :17:34.Historian Pall Wood age helps the Historian Pall Wood age helps the

:17:34. > :17:36.relatives retrace the steps of the relatives retrace the steps of the

:17:36. > :17:38.relatives retrace the steps of the men who fought on these beaches.

:17:38. > :17:39.men who fought on these beaches. men who fought on these beaches.

:17:39. > :17:42.men who fought on these beaches. What was the main target? 20 miles

:17:42. > :17:43.What was the main target? 20 miles What was the main target? 20 miles

:17:43. > :17:46.What was the main target? 20 miles up the road is the biggest German

:17:46. > :17:48.up the road is the biggest German army base in Normandy.

:17:48. > :17:49.army base in Normandy. army base in Normandy.

:17:49. > :17:51.So where did my grandfather then So where did my grandfather then

:17:51. > :17:52.So where did my grandfather then So where did my grandfather then

:17:52. > :17:53.go? They are moving up the beach go? They are moving up the beach

:17:53. > :17:54.go? They are moving up the beach go? They are moving up the beach

:17:54. > :17:56.and down from highland to the road. and down from highland to the road.

:17:56. > :17:57.Let's have a look. Let's have a look.

:17:57. > :17:59.Let's have a look. From the veteran accounts, and the

:17:59. > :17:59.From the veteran accounts, and the From the veteran accounts, and the

:17:59. > :18:02.From the veteran accounts, and the maps that they used, we traced the

:18:02. > :18:06.maps that they used, we traced the maps that they used, we traced the

:18:06. > :18:07.three miles from Utah Beach, in three miles from Utah Beach, in

:18:07. > :18:09.three miles from Utah Beach, in search of where my grandfather and

:18:09. > :18:11.search of where my grandfather and his unit bedded down.

:18:11. > :18:12.his unit bedded down. his unit bedded down.

:18:12. > :18:14.his unit bedded down. Is this the field?. This is the one,

:18:14. > :18:15.Is this the field?. This is the one, Is this the field?. This is the one,

:18:15. > :18:16.Is this the field?. This is the one, we are coming into it now. It fits

:18:16. > :18:19.we are coming into it now. It fits we are coming into it now. It fits

:18:19. > :18:21.what the veterans told us. It does.

:18:21. > :18:22.It does. It does.

:18:22. > :18:23.Here, my grandfather and his troop Here, my grandfather and his troop

:18:23. > :18:24.Here, my grandfather and his troop Here, my grandfather and his troop

:18:24. > :18:25.dug in for the light, but suddenly dug in for the light, but suddenly

:18:25. > :18:28.dug in for the light, but suddenly a German bomber spotted their

:18:28. > :18:31.a German bomber spotted their position an attacked.

:18:31. > :18:32.position an attacked. position an attacked.

:18:32. > :18:33.The old bombs scattered everything The old bombs scattered everything

:18:33. > :18:34.The old bombs scattered everything sideways. That is what hit your

:18:34. > :18:38.sideways. That is what hit your sideways. That is what hit your

:18:38. > :18:40.grandfather. I think it was the grandfather. I think it was the

:18:40. > :18:43.grandfather. I think it was the Finn it wasn't straight into his

:18:43. > :18:45.Finn it wasn't straight into his Finn it wasn't straight into his

:18:45. > :18:46.heart. He died instantly. It is heart. He died instantly. It is

:18:46. > :18:48.heart. He died instantly. It is extraordinary, 70 years on, almost,

:18:48. > :18:50.extraordinary, 70 years on, almost, extraordinary, 70 years on, almost,

:18:50. > :18:51.extraordinary, 70 years on, almost, to speak to you, you, who were

:18:51. > :18:53.to speak to you, you, who were to speak to you, you, who were

:18:53. > :18:55.there when my grandfather died. there when my grandfather died.

:18:55. > :18:56.Yes. Poor chap. Yes. Poor chap.

:18:56. > :18:58.Yes. Poor chap. Yes. Poor chap.

:18:58. > :18:59.At 44, he died just a few years At 44, he died just a few years

:18:59. > :19:04.At 44, he died just a few years younger than me and barely hours

:19:04. > :19:05.younger than me and barely hours into his first mission.

:19:05. > :19:06.into his first mission. into his first mission.

:19:06. > :19:08.into his first mission. It is incredible to think that my,

:19:08. > :19:09.It is incredible to think that my, It is incredible to think that my,

:19:09. > :19:11.you know my family were shattered you know my family were shattered

:19:11. > :19:13.by what happened here. by what happened here.

:19:13. > :19:23.by what happened here. by what happened here.

:19:23. > :19:25.

:19:25. > :19:26.My mum and her sister's lives were The tragic news came home in a

:19:26. > :19:27.The tragic news came home in a The tragic news came home in a

:19:27. > :19:29.three-line telegram. My aunt, who three-line telegram. My aunt, who

:19:29. > :19:33.three-line telegram. My aunt, who was nine, remembers her mother

:19:33. > :19:35.opening it. opening it.

:19:35. > :19:39.opening it. opening it.

:19:39. > :19:40.She said, "Oh, he's gone." I never She said, "Oh, he's gone." I never

:19:40. > :19:41.She said, "Oh, he's gone." I never expected it. We went into the

:19:41. > :19:42.expected it. We went into the expected it. We went into the

:19:42. > :19:45.expected it. We went into the sitting room. She sat down. I think

:19:45. > :19:50.sitting room. She sat down. I think we all cried.

:19:50. > :19:52.we all cried. we all cried.

:19:52. > :19:55.I can remember saying, "Daddy's I can remember saying, "Daddy's

:19:55. > :19:56.I can remember saying, "Daddy's dead. Daddy's dead. Daddy's dead."

:19:56. > :19:59.dead. Daddy's dead. Daddy's dead." dead. Daddy's dead. Daddy's dead."

:19:59. > :20:00.dead. Daddy's dead. Daddy's dead." But one thing I am certain of is

:20:00. > :20:00.But one thing I am certain of is But one thing I am certain of is

:20:00. > :20:03.that my grandfather would feel that my grandfather would feel

:20:03. > :20:04.that my grandfather would feel that my grandfather would feel

:20:05. > :20:09.pride in what 30 Assault Unit would pride in what 30 Assault Unit would

:20:09. > :20:12.pride in what 30 Assault Unit would go on to achieve. They seized

:20:12. > :20:16.go on to achieve. They seized Germany's entire Naval archive,

:20:16. > :20:17.Germany's entire Naval archive, Germany's entire Naval archive,

:20:17. > :20:19.latter used in the Nuremberg trials, latter used in the Nuremberg trials,

:20:19. > :20:19.latter used in the Nuremberg trials, latter used in the Nuremberg trials,

:20:19. > :20:21.sealing the end of the Third Reich. sealing the end of the Third Reich.

:20:21. > :20:23.sealing the end of the Third Reich. Of course, my grandfather would

:20:23. > :20:24.Of course, my grandfather would Of course, my grandfather would

:20:24. > :20:25.never get to celebrate those never get to celebrate those

:20:25. > :20:30.never get to celebrate those successes. His unit was soon

:20:30. > :20:33.disbanded. disbanded.

:20:33. > :20:34.disbanded. disbanded.

:20:34. > :20:35.But I am immensely proud of the But I am immensely proud of the

:20:35. > :20:44.But I am immensely proud of the sacrifice that he and his comrades

:20:44. > :20:45.made. made.

:20:45. > :20:46.made. made.

:20:46. > :20:47.And there we are. Justin and Anthea And there we are. Justin and Anthea

:20:47. > :20:49.And there we are. Justin and Anthea And there we are. Justin and Anthea

:20:49. > :20:51.join us to talk about this a little join us to talk about this a little

:20:51. > :20:53.join us to talk about this a little more. It is incredibly emotional.

:20:53. > :20:54.more. It is incredibly emotional. more. It is incredibly emotional.

:20:54. > :20:56.Both films have been incredible. Both films have been incredible.

:20:56. > :20:57.Both films have been incredible. Anthea, you mentioned in the first

:20:57. > :20:59.Anthea, you mentioned in the first Anthea, you mentioned in the first

:20:59. > :21:00.Anthea, you mentioned in the first film, you knew there was a lot of

:21:00. > :21:01.film, you knew there was a lot of film, you knew there was a lot of

:21:01. > :21:02.secrecy around what your dad was secrecy around what your dad was

:21:02. > :21:03.secrecy around what your dad was secrecy around what your dad was

:21:03. > :21:05.doing. Do you think that your mum doing. Do you think that your mum

:21:05. > :21:06.doing. Do you think that your mum doing. Do you think that your mum

:21:06. > :21:07.knew what his job was? I don't know knew what his job was? I don't know

:21:07. > :21:08.knew what his job was? I don't know knew what his job was? I don't know

:21:08. > :21:09.how much she knew. She would not how much she knew. She would not

:21:09. > :21:10.how much she knew. She would not how much she knew. She would not

:21:10. > :21:11.have told us, any way, but what I have told us, any way, but what I

:21:11. > :21:12.have told us, any way, but what I have told us, any way, but what I

:21:12. > :21:14.do know is that when the war was do know is that when the war was

:21:14. > :21:15.do know is that when the war was do know is that when the war was

:21:15. > :21:16.over, and he had not come back, she over, and he had not come back, she

:21:16. > :21:18.over, and he had not come back, she over, and he had not come back, she

:21:18. > :21:19.knew an awful lot. She said she knew an awful lot. She said she

:21:19. > :21:21.knew an awful lot. She said she knew an awful lot. She said she

:21:21. > :21:22.knew that he had a model made of knew that he had a model made of

:21:22. > :21:23.knew that he had a model made of knew that he had a model made of

:21:23. > :21:24.where he was going. What was the where he was going. What was the

:21:24. > :21:25.where he was going. What was the where he was going. What was the

:21:25. > :21:26.objective of where he was going. So objective of where he was going. So

:21:26. > :21:27.objective of where he was going. So objective of where he was going. So

:21:27. > :21:30.they did talk to each other, but they did talk to each other, but

:21:30. > :21:31.they did talk to each other, but obviously she did not tell us.

:21:31. > :21:32.obviously she did not tell us. obviously she did not tell us.

:21:32. > :21:34.obviously she did not tell us. Knowing what you know now, does it

:21:34. > :21:36.Knowing what you know now, does it Knowing what you know now, does it

:21:36. > :21:37.give you closure? Finally, you know give you closure? Finally, you know

:21:37. > :21:38.give you closure? Finally, you know give you closure? Finally, you know

:21:38. > :21:40.exactly what it is that your dad exactly what it is that your dad

:21:40. > :21:44.exactly what it is that your dad did? It has been amazingly helpful.

:21:44. > :21:45.did? It has been amazingly helpful. did? It has been amazingly helpful.

:21:45. > :21:52.It really has been. Amazingly It really has been. Amazingly

:21:52. > :21:54.helpful. Having read Nicholas helpful. Having read Nicholas

:21:54. > :21:57.helpful. Having read Nicholas Ranking's book? He was really

:21:57. > :21:57.Ranking's book? He was really Ranking's book? He was really

:21:57. > :22:01.Ranking's book? He was really helpful in getting us in touch of

:22:01. > :22:03.helpful in getting us in touch of helpful in getting us in touch of

:22:03. > :22:05.veterans. It is called the 30 veterans. It is called the 30

:22:05. > :22:06.veterans. It is called the 30 Commando. That is what they were.

:22:06. > :22:08.Commando. That is what they were. Commando. That is what they were.

:22:08. > :22:08.It was wonderful. This programme It was wonderful. This programme

:22:09. > :22:10.It was wonderful. This programme It was wonderful. This programme

:22:10. > :22:12.has been helpful! What a find to go has been helpful! What a find to go

:22:12. > :22:13.has been helpful! What a find to go to the field? It is extraordinary

:22:13. > :22:14.to the field? It is extraordinary to the field? It is extraordinary

:22:14. > :22:18.to the field? It is extraordinary to zis cover that your grand fath,

:22:18. > :22:20.to zis cover that your grand fath, to zis cover that your grand fath,

:22:20. > :22:21.to zis cover that your grand fath, we knew he was, had died at D-Day

:22:21. > :22:22.we knew he was, had died at D-Day we knew he was, had died at D-Day

:22:22. > :22:24.we knew he was, had died at D-Day but what we did not know was that

:22:24. > :22:25.but what we did not know was that but what we did not know was that

:22:25. > :22:26.he was hand-picked by Fleming to he was hand-picked by Fleming to

:22:27. > :22:28.he was hand-picked by Fleming to he was hand-picked by Fleming to

:22:28. > :22:29.spend time in the unit. It gave me spend time in the unit. It gave me

:22:29. > :22:31.spend time in the unit. It gave me spend time in the unit. It gave me

:22:31. > :22:32.access to a story, you knew more access to a story, you knew more

:22:32. > :22:33.access to a story, you knew more access to a story, you knew more

:22:34. > :22:35.about it than I did. I had not about it than I did. I had not

:22:35. > :22:37.about it than I did. I had not about it than I did. I had not

:22:37. > :22:38.known about it. It took me on a known about it. It took me on a

:22:38. > :22:39.known about it. It took me on a journey that was moving and engaged

:22:40. > :22:41.journey that was moving and engaged journey that was moving and engaged

:22:41. > :22:43.journey that was moving and engaged journey that was moving and engaged

:22:43. > :22:44.me in the history of my family in a me in the history of my family in a

:22:45. > :22:46.me in the history of my family in a me in the history of my family in a

:22:46. > :22:48.way that I had not had before. If way that I had not had before. If

:22:48. > :22:49.way that I had not had before. If anyones that stories like that in

:22:49. > :22:50.anyones that stories like that in anyones that stories like that in

:22:50. > :22:51.their family, I would recommend their family, I would recommend

:22:52. > :22:53.their family, I would recommend their family, I would recommend

:22:53. > :22:54.that they go out and explore them. that they go out and explore them.

:22:54. > :22:55.that they go out and explore them. that they go out and explore them.

:22:55. > :22:56.that they go out and explore them. And in a way there is more. It is

:22:56. > :22:58.And in a way there is more. It is And in a way there is more. It is

:22:58. > :23:00.still coming out. It was incredible still coming out. It was incredible

:23:00. > :23:02.still coming out. It was incredible still coming out. It was incredible

:23:02. > :23:03.to meet the people who knew him. to meet the people who knew him.

:23:03. > :23:04.to meet the people who knew him. They remember vividly the moment,

:23:04. > :23:07.They remember vividly the moment, They remember vividly the moment,

:23:07. > :23:08.They remember vividly the moment, the time of his death. To sith

:23:08. > :23:09.the time of his death. To sith the time of his death. To sith

:23:09. > :23:11.the time of his death. To sith there with them, 70 years on it is

:23:11. > :23:12.there with them, 70 years on it is there with them, 70 years on it is

:23:12. > :23:14.a real privilege. Anthea, what we a real privilege. Anthea, what we

:23:14. > :23:15.love about you. love about you.

:23:15. > :23:21.love about you. You have something to kprem rate

:23:21. > :23:26.You have something to kprem rate You have something to kprem rate

:23:26. > :23:30.your dad, haven't you? Come emrate your dad, haven't you? Come emrate

:23:30. > :23:33.your dad, haven't you? Come emrate your dad, have been you? Yes!

:23:33. > :23:37.your dad, have been you? Yes! your dad, have been you? Yes!

:23:37. > :23:38.Anthea had this done at 72. APPLAUSE

:23:38. > :23:39.APPLAUSE APPLAUSE

:23:40. > :23:40.The story about the colouring is The story about the colouring is

:23:40. > :23:42.The story about the colouring is The story about the colouring is

:23:42. > :23:43.that it had to be dark blew. That that it had to be dark blew. That

:23:43. > :23:44.that it had to be dark blew. That that it had to be dark blew. That

:23:44. > :23:45.is what I remember him wearing in is what I remember him wearing in

:23:45. > :23:46.is what I remember him wearing in his uniform it needed yellow for

:23:46. > :23:47.his uniform it needed yellow for his uniform it needed yellow for

:23:47. > :23:51.his uniform it needed yellow for the gold braid that they wore on

:23:51. > :23:53.their cuffs. their cuffs.

:23:53. > :23:54.Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

:23:54. > :23:54.Thank you so much. It has been fascinating to hear

:23:55. > :23:56.It has been fascinating to hear It has been fascinating to hear

:23:56. > :23:58.It has been fascinating to hear your story over the last couple of

:23:58. > :24:00.your story over the last couple of your story over the last couple of

:24:00. > :24:04.days. Now, for many people, Vicky days. Now, for many people, Vicky

:24:04. > :24:06.days. Now, for many people, Vicky Pryce's attempts to get her husband

:24:07. > :24:08.Pryce's attempts to get her husband Pryce's attempts to get her husband

:24:08. > :24:09.Pryce's attempts to get her husband in court, was a simple course of

:24:09. > :24:11.in court, was a simple course of in court, was a simple course of

:24:11. > :24:13.events.Ed it she was found guilty events.Ed it she was found guilty

:24:13. > :24:15.events.Ed it she was found guilty of perverting the course of justice.

:24:15. > :24:15.of perverting the course of justice. of perverting the course of justice.

:24:15. > :24:16.John Sergeant says that justice is John Sergeant says that justice is

:24:16. > :24:20.John Sergeant says that justice is John Sergeant says that justice is

:24:20. > :24:22.not always as sweet as it should be. not always as sweet as it should be.

:24:22. > :24:23.not always as sweet as it should be. not always as sweet as it should be.

:24:23. > :24:25.It has been said that hell hath no It has been said that hell hath no

:24:25. > :24:26.It has been said that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. There

:24:26. > :24:28.fury like a woman scorned. There fury like a woman scorned. There

:24:28. > :24:29.fury like a woman scorned. There has been no denying in that truth.

:24:29. > :24:31.has been no denying in that truth. has been no denying in that truth.

:24:31. > :24:33.It was revenge that fuelled the It was revenge that fuelled the

:24:33. > :24:35.It was revenge that fuelled the It was revenge that fuelled the

:24:35. > :24:36.court case. Vicky Pryce let it be court case. Vicky Pryce let it be

:24:36. > :24:38.court case. Vicky Pryce let it be known she had reluctantly accepted

:24:38. > :24:39.known she had reluctantly accepted known she had reluctantly accepted

:24:39. > :24:40.Chris Huhne's penalty points. She Chris Huhne's penalty points. She

:24:40. > :24:42.Chris Huhne's penalty points. She Chris Huhne's penalty points. She

:24:42. > :24:44.wanted to nail him to pay him back wanted to nail him to pay him back

:24:44. > :24:45.wanted to nail him to pay him back wanted to nail him to pay him back

:24:46. > :24:47.for his affair. Men too can wreak for his affair. Men too can wreak

:24:47. > :24:49.revenge. William Shakespeare's revenge. William Shakespeare's

:24:49. > :24:55.revenge. William Shakespeare's Hamlet, avenging the death of his

:24:56. > :24:56.Hamlet, avenging the death of his Hamlet, avenging the death of his

:24:56. > :24:58.father and Cristo savaging his father and Cristo savaging his

:24:58. > :24:59.escape from prison. escape from prison.

:24:59. > :25:00.escape from prison. escape from prison.

:25:00. > :25:01.The thing about revenge, is that we The thing about revenge, is that we

:25:01. > :25:03.The thing about revenge, is that we The thing about revenge, is that we

:25:03. > :25:04.have fantasies but few act them out. have fantasies but few act them out.

:25:04. > :25:06.have fantasies but few act them out. have fantasies but few act them out.

:25:06. > :25:07.So when it does happen, we can life So when it does happen, we can life

:25:07. > :25:09.So when it does happen, we can life through them excitingly. There is

:25:09. > :25:10.through them excitingly. There is through them excitingly. There is

:25:10. > :25:12.the famous story of Nick Faldo, the famous story of Nick Faldo,

:25:12. > :25:14.the famous story of Nick Faldo, when he dumped his girlfriend, she

:25:14. > :25:16.when he dumped his girlfriend, she when he dumped his girlfriend, she

:25:16. > :25:17.took out revenge by getting his took out revenge by getting his

:25:17. > :25:20.took out revenge by getting his golf clubs and smashing up his

:25:20. > :25:21.golf clubs and smashing up his Porsche. His most treasured

:25:21. > :25:24.possession. possession.

:25:24. > :25:25.possession. possession.

:25:25. > :25:26.20 years ago, Lady Moon became a 20 years ago, Lady Moon became a

:25:27. > :25:29.household name after her household name after her

:25:29. > :25:30.extraordinary reaction to her husband's affair.

:25:30. > :25:31.husband's affair. husband's affair.

:25:31. > :25:32.husband's affair. He had sold the family house for a

:25:32. > :25:33.He had sold the family house for a He had sold the family house for a

:25:33. > :25:35.He had sold the family house for a lot of money and put it straight to

:25:35. > :25:36.lot of money and put it straight to lot of money and put it straight to

:25:36. > :25:37.lot of money and put it straight to South Africa where he was to live

:25:37. > :25:39.South Africa where he was to live South Africa where he was to live

:25:39. > :25:41.with this new lovely young woman. with this new lovely young woman.

:25:41. > :25:41.with this new lovely young woman. Therefore, even I knew then that

:25:42. > :25:43.Therefore, even I knew then that Therefore, even I knew then that

:25:43. > :25:44.getting money back from South getting money back from South

:25:44. > :25:45.getting money back from South Africa was almost impossible. He

:25:45. > :25:46.Africa was almost impossible. He Africa was almost impossible. He

:25:46. > :25:47.Africa was almost impossible. He went down and fell about this woman.

:25:47. > :25:48.went down and fell about this woman. went down and fell about this woman.

:25:48. > :25:49.went down and fell about this woman. She lived about half a mile away.

:25:49. > :25:50.She lived about half a mile away. She lived about half a mile away.

:25:50. > :25:54.She lived about half a mile away. Every time I went past there was

:25:54. > :25:55.his car. his car.

:25:55. > :25:56.his car. his car.

:25:56. > :25:57.So, by rubbing salt into the wound So, by rubbing salt into the wound

:25:57. > :25:59.So, by rubbing salt into the wound over and over again, it felt.

:25:59. > :26:01.over and over again, it felt. over and over again, it felt.

:26:01. > :26:01.over and over again, it felt. over and over again, it felt.

:26:01. > :26:02.What did you do? I took two pots of What did you do? I took two pots of

:26:03. > :26:03.What did you do? I took two pots of white emulsion and poured it over

:26:03. > :26:05.white emulsion and poured it over white emulsion and poured it over

:26:05. > :26:06.white emulsion and poured it over his car in the dead of night. Then

:26:07. > :26:09.his car in the dead of night. Then his car in the dead of night. Then

:26:09. > :26:11.his car in the dead of night. Then his car in the dead of night. Then

:26:11. > :26:12.I cut off one arm of, I think about I cut off one arm of, I think about

:26:12. > :26:15.I cut off one arm of, I think about I cut off one arm of, I think about

:26:15. > :26:19.36 suits. Then I gave away his wine cellar.

:26:19. > :26:20.cellar. cellar.

:26:21. > :26:22.cellar. Which I dropped on with the milk

:26:22. > :26:24.Which I dropped on with the milk bottles around the neighbourhood.

:26:24. > :26:24.bottles around the neighbourhood. bottles around the neighbourhood.

:26:24. > :26:26.bottles around the neighbourhood. You got your revenge? I got the

:26:26. > :26:27.You got your revenge? I got the You got your revenge? I got the

:26:27. > :26:28.You got your revenge? I got the attention of the world. I did not

:26:28. > :26:29.attention of the world. I did not attention of the world. I did not

:26:29. > :26:30.attention of the world. I did not realise that is what I wanted. I

:26:30. > :26:31.realise that is what I wanted. I realise that is what I wanted. I

:26:31. > :26:33.realise that is what I wanted. I wanted somebody to listen to me, to

:26:33. > :26:34.comfort me. comfort me.

:26:34. > :26:35.comfort me. comfort me.

:26:35. > :26:36.If you look back on this, does it If you look back on this, does it

:26:36. > :26:38.If you look back on this, does it If you look back on this, does it

:26:38. > :26:41.seem a sensible thing to do? No. It seem a sensible thing to do? No. It

:26:41. > :26:43.seem a sensible thing to do? No. It was very, very stupid. Very stupid.

:26:43. > :26:44.was very, very stupid. Very stupid. was very, very stupid. Very stupid.

:26:44. > :26:45.Humiliation can be a weapon. The Humiliation can be a weapon. The

:26:46. > :26:47.Humiliation can be a weapon. The more public the humiliation, the

:26:47. > :26:49.better. better.

:26:49. > :26:50.better. better.

:26:50. > :26:52.In 2008 there was an example of In 2008 there was an example of

:26:52. > :26:54.In 2008 there was an example of Jimmy Wales, the founder of

:26:54. > :26:55.Jimmy Wales, the founder of Jimmy Wales, the founder of

:26:55. > :26:57.Wikipedia, who dumped his partner Wikipedia, who dumped his partner

:26:57. > :26:58.Wikipedia, who dumped his partner on the Wikipedia page. She took

:26:58. > :27:00.on the Wikipedia page. She took on the Wikipedia page. She took

:27:00. > :27:03.revenge by going on eBay and revenge by going on eBay and

:27:03. > :27:04.selling his dirty laundry. selling his dirty laundry.

:27:04. > :27:05.selling his dirty laundry. But sometimes, these situations can

:27:05. > :27:07.But sometimes, these situations can But sometimes, these situations can

:27:07. > :27:09.But sometimes, these situations can get out of hand and be violent and

:27:09. > :27:12.unpleasant. unpleasant.

:27:12. > :27:17.unpleasant. The most horrible stories in living

:27:17. > :27:18.The most horrible stories in living The most horrible stories in living

:27:18. > :27:20.memory was the won of LoreenaBobbit. memory was the won of LoreenaBobbit.

:27:20. > :27:23.memory was the won of LoreenaBobbit. memory was the won of LoreenaBobbit.

:27:23. > :27:24.Who came into the house and cut off his manhood.

:27:24. > :27:25.his manhood. his manhood.

:27:25. > :27:26.his manhood. What is a good example of someone

:27:26. > :27:28.What is a good example of someone What is a good example of someone

:27:28. > :27:29.What is a good example of someone who played it well? Prid. On the

:27:29. > :27:31.who played it well? Prid. On the who played it well? Prid. On the

:27:31. > :27:33.night that Prince Charles announced night that Prince Charles announced

:27:33. > :27:34.night that Prince Charles announced night that Prince Charles announced

:27:34. > :27:36.on an interview, he had been having on an interview, he had been having

:27:36. > :27:38.on an interview, he had been having an affair -- Princess Diana. Diana

:27:38. > :27:39.an affair -- Princess Diana. Diana an affair -- Princess Diana. Diana

:27:39. > :27:41.turned up, looking a million turned up, looking a million

:27:41. > :27:42.turned up, looking a million dollars in a black dress. Looking

:27:42. > :27:44.dollars in a black dress. Looking dollars in a black dress. Looking

:27:44. > :27:45.as if Prince Charles was ancient as if Prince Charles was ancient

:27:45. > :27:47.as if Prince Charles was ancient history. She moved on, the whole

:27:47. > :27:48.history. She moved on, the whole history. She moved on, the whole

:27:48. > :27:49.history. She moved on, the whole world was at her feet. That was the

:27:49. > :27:51.world was at her feet. That was the world was at her feet. That was the

:27:51. > :27:53.only way to have revenge. only way to have revenge.

:27:53. > :27:54.only way to have revenge. What is your advice if somebody

:27:54. > :27:56.What is your advice if somebody What is your advice if somebody

:27:56. > :27:57.What is your advice if somebody says to you they would like to

:27:57. > :27:58.says to you they would like to says to you they would like to

:27:58. > :27:59.exact revenge? What would your exact revenge? What would your

:27:59. > :28:02.exact revenge? What would your exact revenge? What would your

:28:02. > :28:03.answer be? Don't do it. It is too answer be? Don't do it. It is too

:28:03. > :28:05.answer be? Don't do it. It is too tricky. You never know. The

:28:05. > :28:06.tricky. You never know. The tricky. You never know. The

:28:06. > :28:07.equation is so complicated. You equation is so complicated. You

:28:07. > :28:08.equation is so complicated. You equation is so complicated. You

:28:08. > :28:10.never know how it could back fire. never know how it could back fire.

:28:10. > :28:11.never know how it could back fire. never know how it could back fire.

:28:11. > :28:12.So, do you follow that advice or So, do you follow that advice or

:28:12. > :28:13.So, do you follow that advice or So, do you follow that advice or

:28:13. > :28:15.the example? I think not to do the example? I think not to do

:28:15. > :28:17.the example? I think not to do anything in haste is probably the

:28:17. > :28:18.anything in haste is probably the anything in haste is probably the

:28:18. > :28:19.lesson. Well, Vicky Pryce did not lesson. Well, Vicky Pryce did not

:28:19. > :28:20.lesson. Well, Vicky Pryce did not lesson. Well, Vicky Pryce did not

:28:20. > :28:23.do it in haste, she took her time. do it in haste, she took her time.

:28:23. > :28:25.do it in haste, she took her time. But it was interesting that Lady

:28:25. > :28:27.But it was interesting that Lady But it was interesting that Lady

:28:27. > :28:29.Moon was saying she wanted the Moon was saying she wanted the

:28:29. > :28:30.attention of the world. attention of the world.

:28:30. > :28:31.attention of the world. attention of the world.

:28:31. > :28:33.And that is what Vicky Pryce got. And that is what Vicky Pryce got.

:28:33. > :28:35.And that is what Vicky Pryce got. And that is what Vicky Pryce got.

:28:35. > :28:36.Were you surprised by that? I was not surprised.

:28:36. > :28:37.not surprised. not surprised.

:28:38. > :28:39.And you are incredibly proud of And you are incredibly proud of

:28:39. > :28:40.And you are incredibly proud of And you are incredibly proud of

:28:40. > :28:43.your other half, she has gone in at your other half, she has gone in at

:28:43. > :28:45.your other half, she has gone in at number three on the bestseller list

:28:45. > :28:46.I am. I am.

:28:46. > :28:47.I am. And now, Comic Relief's Big Chat

:28:47. > :28:48.And now, Comic Relief's Big Chat And now, Comic Relief's Big Chat

:28:48. > :28:49.And now, Comic Relief's Big Chat With Graham Norton is on now until

:28:49. > :28:52.With Graham Norton is on now until With Graham Norton is on now until

:28:52. > :28:53.1.00am. Richard is rushing off to 1.00am. Richard is rushing off to

:28:53. > :28:55.1.00am. Richard is rushing off to help on the show. Tomorrow, the