:00:20. > :00:23.Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker.
:00:23. > :00:27.Tonight's guest has already made it big in British TV, with dramas like
:00:27. > :00:31.Cutting It, Mistresses, and Monroe. And now she's made it big in
:00:31. > :00:41.America too, starring opposite Kevin Costner in her latest show.
:00:41. > :00:48.
:00:48. > :00:55.Khedive name. Welcome. Nice to have you on the sofa. -- good evening.
:00:55. > :01:02.We will talk about starring beside Kevin Costner. First of all will
:01:02. > :01:07.talk about trains. I get the train every other day from Basingstoke to
:01:07. > :01:12.London. I'm on the train a lot. I'm not a big fan because a lot of the
:01:12. > :01:18.time I pay for a ticket and do not get a seat. There is something
:01:18. > :01:28.romantic about train travel. I like them. Well, I travelled in today on
:01:28. > :01:34.
:01:34. > :01:42.a train owned by this man. Richard Branson. On that short journey I
:01:42. > :01:47.had a chat with some of his customers. I think the rail network
:01:47. > :01:51.is too complicated. The whole ticketing system is too complicated.
:01:51. > :01:57.Privatisation can be cured. By I cannot believe the amount of money
:01:57. > :02:02.it costs to go through the tender process. -- it I cannot believe. I
:02:02. > :02:10.am disappointed that Virgin has lost the franchise. The trains will
:02:10. > :02:15.go but the price of the ticket is ridiculous. What is your question
:02:15. > :02:21.full Richard Repp -- Richard Branson? Why should we bring back
:02:21. > :02:30.British Rail? She then some of the profits go back into the trains.
:02:30. > :02:36.Isn't there a way of simplifying the pricing structure? Well, I have
:02:36. > :02:40.to say, first of all, everyone was very positive about the trouble.
:02:40. > :02:48.Why shouldn't we renationalise the railways and bring back British
:02:48. > :02:55.Rail? Good to talk to you. 15 years ago, if people can remember that
:02:55. > :03:01.far back, British Rail ran the West Coast Main Line. It was dilapidated.
:03:01. > :03:08.The trains did break down all the time. It was not a great experience.
:03:08. > :03:12.Only about 10 million people use them. Over the last 15 years, the
:03:12. > :03:17.team and Virgin trains have transformed the network. We have
:03:17. > :03:23.three times as many people using them. Over the next 10 years,
:03:23. > :03:28.became get that up to 50 million people. Lots of less people using
:03:28. > :03:33.cars. Lots of people using the trains. By and large, people are
:03:33. > :03:38.happy with the experience. I am sure there are still areas we can
:03:38. > :03:42.improve on but it is completely and utterly different from when it was
:03:43. > :03:47.run by the Government. Governments are not that great at running
:03:47. > :03:51.companies. Last year was the first time you have repaid a premium to
:03:51. > :03:56.the Government. One of your customers would like to know, why
:03:56. > :04:01.should we pay a subsidy and you make a profit? It is a good
:04:01. > :04:07.question. Before Virgin took over, it was costing the Government
:04:07. > :04:11.billions to run the West Coast Main Line. We have offered to pay the
:04:11. > :04:17.Government over 11 billion over the length of the new franchise.
:04:17. > :04:21.Because there are so many extra passengers using the West Coast
:04:21. > :04:25.franchise, instead of it being subsidised by the tax payer, the
:04:25. > :04:31.tax payer now can literally get billions back. That is because we
:04:32. > :04:38.managed to get so many extra people to use the trains. Is it possible
:04:38. > :04:44.to simplified the price structure? People say, one day it cost this.
:04:44. > :04:50.It is cheaper buying online than from the counter. What we have
:04:50. > :04:55.tried to do is compete with airlines. Bringing in airline type
:04:55. > :05:01.of travel so that elderly people, students, who do not have to travel
:05:01. > :05:07.at peak times, like the business person has to, can get really cheap
:05:07. > :05:12.fares. The average fare on Virgin is actually very low. Effectively,
:05:12. > :05:16.what is happening, it is the businesses, who have business
:05:16. > :05:20.travellers travelling at peak times are subsidising asked to be able to
:05:20. > :05:28.bring in really cheap travel when the trains are often reasonably
:05:28. > :05:34.empty. I think you do meet that mixture. Otherwise what happens is
:05:34. > :05:38.you have massive overcrowding. People standing at peak times. What
:05:38. > :05:48.we're trying to do is bread the amount of people out throughout the
:05:48. > :05:50.
:05:50. > :05:53.day. Thank you very much, Richard. -- is spread. Now, the RSPCA say
:05:53. > :05:56.the Dangerous Dogs Act doesn't work and innocent dogs are being put
:05:56. > :05:59.down without having done anything wrong. Declan Lawn caught up with a
:05:59. > :06:03.man whose fighting to save his dog after it was seized when he was
:06:03. > :06:09.taking it for a walk. Over the last four years, the number of recorded
:06:09. > :06:15.attacks by dangerous Dogs has leapt by nearly 40%. In fact, there are
:06:15. > :06:18.about 6000 dog attacks every year. It makes you wonder why. We have
:06:18. > :06:23.strange and dangerous dogs legislation to stop that from
:06:23. > :06:32.happening. Clearly, something is not right there. More than 20 years
:06:32. > :06:37.ago, have dug attack on a six-year- old made the Government have the
:06:37. > :06:42.dangerous job -- the Dangerous Dogs Act. Some say it was rushed onto
:06:42. > :06:50.the statute books without due consideration. It is now said the
:06:50. > :06:53.actor is not fit for purpose. In July, I filled with animal welfare
:06:53. > :06:58.officers in East London as they seized suspected illegal pit-bull
:06:58. > :07:05.dogs. We are from animal welfare. Do you want to stop a minute?
:07:05. > :07:11.was stopped in strap that when he was walking his dog. It does not
:07:11. > :07:17.matter is -- if it is chipped and muzzled. If it looks like a pit-
:07:17. > :07:21.bull type, it is taken in. It was deemed to be a pitbull. The last
:07:21. > :07:27.time I saw you who were having your dog sees from you are on the street.
:07:28. > :07:33.What was that like? Heartbreaking. They can stop puke at any time and
:07:33. > :07:39.take your dog. They turn up with the police and welfare takes them.
:07:39. > :07:43.You have no say in it. Illegal breed dogs are usually destroyed.
:07:43. > :07:49.Occasionally owners can apply to the courts to keep them. Scott
:07:49. > :07:53.decided he was going to fight for his dog. He was told he had to
:07:53. > :07:58.attend a dog behaviour training course to work on the dog's
:07:58. > :08:02.aggression. Sit. She will not be able to sit in this situation
:08:02. > :08:07.because she is really anxious. she completes the course
:08:07. > :08:13.successfully, Scott can applied for an exemption under the Dangerous
:08:13. > :08:16.Dogs Act to get her back. In London last year, nearly 1000 dogs of
:08:16. > :08:20.dangerous breeds were seized under the Dangerous Dogs Act and nearly
:08:20. > :08:27.half were put down. Critics say many of these deaths were a
:08:27. > :08:31.necessary because most dogs are destroyed due to their breed. The
:08:31. > :08:37.RSPCA has teamed up with 20 other organisations to call for reform of
:08:37. > :08:41.the Act. The RSPCA thinks the current legislation is not
:08:41. > :08:45.effective. If the situation was that you punish the actual deed
:08:45. > :08:51.rather than the breed, you could be more effective in protecting the
:08:52. > :08:56.public and improving animal welfare. When you get a dog that is a
:08:56. > :09:01.pitbull, are they more aggressive? Not that vets and nurses have
:09:02. > :09:05.noticed. The fact of the matter is, they are friendly, placid and good
:09:05. > :09:10.natured dog that of being put down just because they looked like a
:09:10. > :09:15.certain type of dog. There are four band breeds but by far the most
:09:15. > :09:19.common in the UK is the pit bull terrier. The Government department
:09:19. > :09:24.responsible for this law is DEFRA. They have told us they currently
:09:24. > :09:29.have no plans to change breed specific legislation. They say it
:09:29. > :09:33.is helping the police to tackle dangerous Dogs before they can
:09:33. > :09:39.attack people. Police say this legislation is necessary to protect
:09:39. > :09:46.the public. The pit bull terrier does feature in a large number of
:09:46. > :09:50.very serious attacks. It is a strong, powerful, tenacious dog. If
:09:50. > :09:54.we have better education and training it would be geared to
:09:54. > :09:59.repeal this legislation. At the moment, I cannot see how that could
:09:59. > :10:04.be done. There are clearly many responsible dog owners out there
:10:04. > :10:08.who believe their dogs are not dangerous, regardless of breed.
:10:08. > :10:12.With so many horrendous attacks happening every year, this debate
:10:12. > :10:18.about whether banning certain types of dog is the best way to protect
:10:18. > :10:22.the public, is likely to continue for some time. For Scott, the
:10:23. > :10:29.weight is finally over. Three months after she was seized, she is
:10:29. > :10:36.finally going home. There is a good girl! Following the de behaviour
:10:36. > :10:43.course, he has been to court and can now keep her. She has been to
:10:43. > :10:48.toot and muted and Must Always wear a muzzle and be kept on a lead in
:10:48. > :10:54.public. She is not dangerous. They should take each dog and owner on
:10:54. > :11:01.its own case - its own merit. They should not be able to take people's
:11:01. > :11:09.dogs because of the breed they are. Lovely to see the effort he is
:11:09. > :11:17.putting him to get the dog back. is very difficult. I am a big dog
:11:17. > :11:26.lover. Wearied dog-loving nation. I its own two dogs. -- we are paid to
:11:26. > :11:32.of clubbing nation. I have a big dog. To me, he would not hurt a fly.
:11:32. > :11:37.It puts us in a very difficult position. I love Macro dogs. I
:11:37. > :11:47.often think, is it the way they are bread? Is it the way they are
:11:47. > :11:47.
:11:47. > :11:53.trained? A lot of bought and used to fight, aren't they? You are
:11:53. > :11:58.starring opposite Kevin Costner and playing his wife. It is called
:11:58. > :12:04.Hatfields & McCoys. It is based on a true story, isn't it? It is a
:12:04. > :12:11.very famous American story about two feuding families that live up
:12:12. > :12:20.in the appellation mountains during the civil war. They fell out over a
:12:20. > :12:24.peak. Right. Because of this falling out, they basically ended
:12:24. > :12:30.up killing each other over the course of 20 years. They
:12:30. > :12:37.slaughtered each other. Within that story There is a Romeo and Juliet
:12:37. > :12:44.story. You have this beautiful love story. It is a great epic Western.
:12:44. > :12:49.It has been described as... It is epic. Of all the parts I would ever
:12:50. > :12:54.play, I never imagined I would be in a western. You know the Romeo
:12:54. > :13:04.and Juliet story line, he is you telling the girl she was no longer
:13:04. > :13:05.
:13:05. > :13:14.welcome in your family. You need to go back where you belong. I can see
:13:14. > :13:24.you are not a bad person. This whole same is not right. Are you
:13:24. > :13:27.
:13:27. > :13:31.asking me to leave? And don't you Your accent is absolutely
:13:31. > :13:35.incredible. It is like you were born and raised there. When we went
:13:35. > :13:39.for the audition, we were given an linked to some voices on the
:13:39. > :13:45.internet we could listen to. It was a series of different women from
:13:45. > :13:52.West Virginia. I picked the oldest one eye could find, she was about
:13:52. > :14:00.80 years old. Whenever I hear my voice on there, I sound so old, I
:14:00. > :14:07.think. I think I got away with it. You do age on the programme there.
:14:07. > :14:17.I start at 21. Myself and the other lady on the cast, I started at 21
:14:17. > :14:21.and aged 270. I never looked 21 when I was 21. The hair and make-up
:14:21. > :14:27.people thought, we're going to have to make her look 21 and it will be
:14:27. > :14:32.a nightmare. They scraped your head back and put the skull cap on. They
:14:32. > :14:40.would get hold of the back of your hair and twist it like a wind up
:14:40. > :14:45.toy. I kind of looked like Joan Rivers. For the whole day. They
:14:45. > :14:52.were long filming days. At the end of the day, you'd look like one of
:14:52. > :14:58.those dogs was dug it must have given you a massive headache.
:14:58. > :15:04.those dogs. I had three scenes when I was 21 and that was enough.
:15:04. > :15:09.Costner looks great as an older man. The boys just look fantastic all
:15:09. > :15:13.the way through. We went through the ropes with make-up. He looks
:15:13. > :15:20.great. You had quite a passionate scene with him. How nervous were
:15:20. > :15:25.you? Really nervous. By the time that was felled, it was right at
:15:25. > :15:30.the end of the filming process. -- films. They were threatening to
:15:30. > :15:35.bring it might at the beginning. I said, at least, please let me have
:15:35. > :15:41.a cup of tea with him before I fling myself into his arms. We did
:15:41. > :15:48.not have been easier to go straight in? I do not know. I was still
:15:48. > :15:53.thinking, it is Cayenne Cost love. Last time seen in the bodyguard. --
:15:53. > :16:03.Kevin Costner. Within a day, you are sitting down, having an
:16:03. > :16:10.
:16:10. > :16:14.excellent and talking about your We have revealed the UK's biggest
:16:14. > :16:19.cave. It took an hour and a half for Miranda to get back to the
:16:19. > :16:23.service. And in another equally fascinating film, the problem is
:16:23. > :16:27.staying in, not getting out. Deep inside the hard core of the
:16:27. > :16:34.said land, the sea has forced its way through a fracture in the rock
:16:34. > :16:44.and carved a secret cavern. The cave of Jaws is the hidden beauty
:16:44. > :16:46.
:16:46. > :16:51.that I am after, and it is right beneath my feet. -- cave of jewels.
:16:51. > :16:57.But the problem is the huge tidal range, rising and falling up to 10
:16:57. > :17:02.metres, flooding the cave and leaving me with just one way in. We
:17:02. > :17:05.are just going up to the entrance now. Timing is critical. There is
:17:05. > :17:12.only 20 minutes of slack water between tides before the current
:17:12. > :17:21.becomes too strong again, making it impossible to stay in the cave. I
:17:21. > :17:25.am keeping with all my might. -- kicking. I have always wanted to go
:17:25. > :17:35.diving in this cave. I am full of expectation about what we might see.
:17:35. > :17:37.
:17:37. > :17:42.Beautiful. So many different species. Elegant and fluffy
:17:42. > :17:46.tentacles. Normally it is a deep- water species and I am only in five
:17:46. > :17:55.metres of water. There must be something very special about this
:17:55. > :17:58.cave. This is just something else. They feed by relying on whatever
:17:58. > :18:04.comes past them in this crazy current that we are trying to work
:18:05. > :18:11.in. They have stinging cells in the tips of their tentacles. They
:18:11. > :18:17.immobilise their prey. They pass into the mouth in the centre. So
:18:17. > :18:21.one thing that makes this cavers so unique, it is open at both ends.
:18:21. > :18:27.There is a constant stream of food racing through on the tide and it
:18:27. > :18:33.is pretty tough going for me, too. You can feel the power of the surge.
:18:33. > :18:38.I cannot even stay still. It is just grazing. I knew I was in for
:18:38. > :18:42.an adventure but I did not expect it to be like this. We will see
:18:42. > :18:50.what is around the corner here. But looks like the cave is open to the
:18:50. > :18:56.surface. There is light flooding in. My word! That is something truly
:18:56. > :19:06.beautiful. I don't think I have ever seen it so many. That is
:19:06. > :19:07.
:19:07. > :19:11.astonishing. These are the ones that you find in rock pools. The
:19:11. > :19:16.walls are just encrusted with them. The position of the cave, geology
:19:16. > :19:23.and massive tidal range, have all helped create the perfect habitat
:19:23. > :19:27.for these huge colonies. The colours are amazing. The offspring
:19:27. > :19:33.inherit their colour from their parents. This colony is likely to
:19:33. > :19:43.be one big family. One way that they reproduce his by forming but,
:19:43. > :19:45.
:19:45. > :19:49.Chloe, at their base. -- is by forming a club clone at their base.
:19:49. > :19:56.For ammunition, they release toxins from this beautiful necklace of
:19:56. > :20:00.delicate but deadly Beaves. Even as the tide changes and the water
:20:00. > :20:05.level drops, the air above the surface is still damp and the
:20:05. > :20:11.temperature is constantly cool. When they are exposed, they can
:20:11. > :20:16.close up and survive until the tide covers them again. This is a deep-
:20:16. > :20:20.water species normally found much deeper than this. They are so at
:20:20. > :20:26.home, thriving in the shallow waters of the cave. It makes this
:20:26. > :20:33.place even more unique. With their stunning colours and droplets on
:20:33. > :20:37.the tips of their tentacles, they looked just like a crown of jewels.
:20:37. > :20:41.That current is really surging and it is about to drag me out of the
:20:41. > :20:50.cave. Our narrow window of time is nearly up and we will have to leave
:20:50. > :21:00.the secrets behind. It is time to go. As far as treasure hunts go,
:21:00. > :21:00.
:21:00. > :21:05.that was definitely the best. How brave! Incredible. Beautiful
:21:05. > :21:10.visibility. You do a lot of diving, Sarah. How much have you done
:21:10. > :21:14.around UK? I have done no diving around the UK and now I have seen
:21:14. > :21:21.that, I will. Usually you do not want to go diving in the UK because
:21:21. > :21:29.it is cold and you think the visibility will be bad. How was the
:21:29. > :21:35.temperature, Miranda? It was cool. I was wearing a dry suit. You could
:21:35. > :21:42.have a sweater and a pair of jeans on! As long as you let out the air
:21:42. > :21:46.first! I was wondering how on earth you measure the cave? The one that
:21:46. > :21:50.I was exploring on Friday, they took this massive scanner down,
:21:50. > :21:54.like a printer that you would have at home. When we were going through
:21:54. > :21:59.the last hole before the big cavern, there was a lump hammer and they
:21:59. > :22:03.have to make that hole bigger to get this piece of equipment in. It
:22:03. > :22:07.was a very expensive piece of equipment, basically a laser to
:22:07. > :22:10.scan the inside of the cave. They get an idea of the area of the
:22:10. > :22:15.floor of the cave and that is currently how they measure the size
:22:15. > :22:19.of it. Everybody wants to have the biggest cave, so there are debates,
:22:19. > :22:24.but this one has the biggest floor area in the UK at the moment.
:22:24. > :22:33.have become our cave Correspondent! If I do not want to be known for
:22:33. > :22:38.doing cavers! But they were all amazing. What was it like, that
:22:39. > :22:43.murmured, when you lit up that enormous cavern? -- that moment?
:22:43. > :22:47.was phenomenal. You can only see a few metres ahead of you, and then
:22:47. > :22:52.suddenly we could light the whole cave. You have no idea how enormous
:22:52. > :22:57.it is. Even these pictures do not do it justice. Incredible for you,
:22:57. > :23:00.but for the people that had been down there for years? Yes, because
:23:00. > :23:04.they had been excavating for 40 years and nobody really knew how
:23:04. > :23:09.big it was until that moment when we put the lights on and took down
:23:09. > :23:14.the film crew. There was this big sharp intake of breath, magical.
:23:14. > :23:18.How do they know which way to go, the cavers? I think they have got
:23:18. > :23:25.the 6th sense, really. They look for two things, the scallop a
:23:25. > :23:29.pattern on the cave ball, formed when the flow of the ancient
:23:29. > :23:33.underground river. -- the scallop pattern on the cave wall. They can
:23:33. > :23:40.work out the way that the river was flowing. If they find a crack in
:23:40. > :23:43.the corner of the cave, they sense a draft. We went into one corner.
:23:43. > :23:48.The chap said that there was a howling draught, and you cannot
:23:48. > :23:54.feel a thing, but they can sense it, indicating another Kavan beyond.
:23:54. > :24:00.Then they can excavate through and find it. Astonishing. The good news
:24:00. > :24:05.is that we have found another cave! That is all for now, don't worry!
:24:05. > :24:11.And talking about amazing things, Phil Tufnell has seen some amazing
:24:11. > :24:17.art on The One Show but he could not believe his eyes when he saw
:24:17. > :24:21.these pieces from a Norwegian artist. Glaswegian! They are quite
:24:21. > :24:27.something. He took them out onto the street to see if anybody was as
:24:27. > :24:34.surprised as him. Look at these images. They are nice.
:24:35. > :24:42.Very nice. Would you so that they are photographs or drawing? --
:24:42. > :24:46.would you say? Photographs. photographs. Would it surprise you
:24:46. > :24:54.if I told you that they were drawing? Yes. They are very
:24:54. > :25:04.realistic and accurate. The hair on his face, you cannot see any pencil
:25:04. > :25:12.
:25:12. > :25:18.marks. It's they look nothing like roarings. -- drawings. Paul has an
:25:18. > :25:22.unusual style. He draws with pencil, and they are so realistic that they
:25:22. > :25:29.look like photographs. This is a master of high surrealism. No
:25:29. > :25:34.chucking paint around. It requires a high for detail, a steady hand
:25:34. > :25:38.and a very sharp pencil. When I was a child I used to buy lots of
:25:38. > :25:45.comics and I used to spend hours replicating them in detail. I don't
:25:45. > :25:49.know why. It was a way of capturing the life of the comic. I practise
:25:49. > :25:57.them for hours, may be drawing tanks and battleships. I got the
:25:57. > :26:03.knack. You copying photographs? photographers copying life? For me
:26:03. > :26:13.the photograph is the jumping of point. It is the inspiration.
:26:13. > :26:15.
:26:15. > :26:19.surrealism was popularised in the 60s by Chuck Close. Paul follows
:26:19. > :26:25.their tradition by imitating the accuracy of photographs to create
:26:25. > :26:31.lifelike drawings. Piper realist artists use many tricks to achieve
:26:31. > :26:37.this amazing degree of detail. Paul uses the grid technique. He draws
:26:37. > :26:41.lines over an image to create smaller sections. Each little one
:26:41. > :26:46.becomes its own painting. We are breaking them down so it is easier
:26:46. > :26:51.to work through at each stage. scrutinises the tones and textures
:26:51. > :26:58.in each section to get as much visual information as possible. It
:26:58. > :27:08.is this extra layer of detail that creates hyper-real work. Does it
:27:08. > :27:09.
:27:09. > :27:14.affect your eyes? Yes. I use this, like a jeweller's magnifying glass.
:27:14. > :27:20.It gives you extra detail. I'm getting short-sighted. You will see
:27:20. > :27:25.the difference if you get right up close. It is very good. You can use
:27:25. > :27:31.a microscope next! Do you have to use special pencils and paper?
:27:31. > :27:39.went through various types of paper, watercolour, and so on, but I found
:27:39. > :27:48.recycled cartridge paper was the best. They are standard pencils.
:27:48. > :27:57.You have any special equipment? find this, it looks quite strange,
:27:57. > :28:05.but I can use it to highlight. You can really make it pop with that.
:28:05. > :28:10.Some people use a little scalpel. But that is more powerful. It can
:28:10. > :28:13.take Paul up to two months to complete these complex drawings.
:28:13. > :28:17.Are you trying to trick people into believing that they are
:28:17. > :28:22.photographs? It was never about tricking people. It was never an
:28:22. > :28:26.illusion. You are creating a new reality. I am trying to intensify
:28:26. > :28:30.the normal. You can discuss whether it is a picture or not, which is
:28:30. > :28:34.fun, but the viewer will always have an emotional reaction. That
:28:34. > :28:40.reaction could just be that it is well done, which is fine. I'm not
:28:40. > :28:44.trying to trick anybody. Paul might not intentionally set out to trick
:28:44. > :28:49.us, but to create a version of reality we would never find in a
:28:49. > :28:53.photograph. Very thick Norwegian accent! The