:00:14. > :00:22.With Michelle Ackerley. And Matt Baker.
:00:23. > :00:25.Topping the bill, a man who's almost guaranteed to make tonight's show
:00:26. > :00:28.a hit because these days that's the only type of show he knows.
:00:29. > :00:40.Lovely to see you, Cam. Some fans of yours into night. I am here because
:00:41. > :00:45.of them! You've had huge hits
:00:46. > :00:55.with Miss Saigon, Les Miserables But if we go back to the very early
:00:56. > :01:02.days, Cam, to the start, things were a bit shaky. I was an overnight
:01:03. > :01:10.success in 17 years, before cats. I learned my craft which was the most
:01:11. > :01:17.important thing. A dreadful thing to say, but I did my very first show 50
:01:18. > :01:22.years ago this June. It was called the Reluctant Debutant, which I was
:01:23. > :01:26.not at the age of 20. I am amazed I am still going all these years later
:01:27. > :01:33.and my shows are as fresh as ever and new audiences are going to see
:01:34. > :01:38.it. Thrilled. We spent the weekend at Half A Sixpence, it was a magical
:01:39. > :01:41.show. We will talk about that, but first this morning, Jeremy Corbyn
:01:42. > :01:47.was on the radio and he mentioned the fact he would like to see a cap
:01:48. > :01:51.on wages. You have been incredibly successful obviously, and I know you
:01:52. > :01:58.did not hear what he said... I am hearing it now. Tell me what he
:01:59. > :02:04.said. As an instant reaction, hearing the phrase, I would like to
:02:05. > :02:09.see a cap on wages...? Like all things, it depends on circumstances.
:02:10. > :02:13.If it's a public company with shareholders, maybe there is an
:02:14. > :02:16.argument for that, I don't know. A private company, I feel if you are
:02:17. > :02:20.running it, you do the best for all the people that you work with.
:02:21. > :02:27.Luckily for me, most people who have worked for me have worked for me for
:02:28. > :02:31.over 30 years. I have not been too Scrooge like. Varying opinions.
:02:32. > :02:33.As always, we're keen to hear what you think,
:02:34. > :02:36.so we sent Angellica to Eccles to ask the same question -
:02:37. > :02:42.should we limit salaries to close the growing gap between the richest
:02:43. > :02:50.We have all heard about the minimum wage. What about the maximum wage? A
:02:51. > :02:55.cap on those who earn what some might consider extreme salaries. But
:02:56. > :02:59.how much is too much? Would capping a salary achieve anything? Do you
:03:00. > :03:06.think there should be a cap on how much we earn? Definitely not.
:03:07. > :03:09.Because I think you have to inspire people to achieve, and I think if
:03:10. > :03:15.you put a ceiling on that, it sends the wrong message. If people are
:03:16. > :03:21.willing to give up their time to become professionals, then yes, they
:03:22. > :03:24.do deserve more, don't they? A quarter of ?1 million a week? What a
:03:25. > :03:32.joke. I wouldn't earn that in a lifetime. How much do you think is
:03:33. > :03:39.enough? 50 grand a year, easy to live off. If you say to someone,
:03:40. > :03:46.they cannot earn X amount, the spin off is less jobs, and one thing
:03:47. > :03:49.Eccles needs is jobs. I don't think there should be a cap, but possibly
:03:50. > :03:55.controls because people work hard for the income they get. I think the
:03:56. > :03:59.top earners are going to hide. There is only a limit on what you can
:04:00. > :04:08.spend, how many Ferraris do you want in the garage? What is enough to
:04:09. > :04:10.survive on in a year? 500,000. So you would be fine micro for the
:04:11. > :04:18.government to say that is your limit? -- fine for the government to
:04:19. > :04:25.say that is your limit? You are seeing the zeros! Later, the Labour
:04:26. > :04:30.leader seemed to back away from the idea of a cap, so it is getting
:04:31. > :04:37.people talking. I don't know about half a million, let's talk about
:04:38. > :04:44.Half A Sixpence. Very good! I lived on ?14 a week when I started, but I
:04:45. > :04:48.save ?1 a week. I was a cleaner at Drury Lane and I was a stagehand
:04:49. > :04:53.backstage on the original production of Camelot. And now down the road,
:04:54. > :04:57.there is Half A Sixpence at the Noel Coward Theatre, which is where
:04:58. > :05:01.Oliver started. A wonderful theatre. That is why I wanted to put Half A
:05:02. > :05:06.Sixpence in there, an amazing theatre. A lot of people in the
:05:07. > :05:09.audience when I was there were talking back to the good old days of
:05:10. > :05:12.Tommy Steele, let's see him in action in the 60s film.
:05:13. > :05:23.# What a picture. As you say, back on stage, but you
:05:24. > :05:31.have changed it quite a bit. 75% a new show. The wonderful Julian
:05:32. > :05:34.Fellowes, wonderful new songs. I hadn't seen the show since the
:05:35. > :05:40.original onstage at the Cambridge Theatre, 1963. The reason it
:05:41. > :05:47.happened, and it took me nine years to do it, I started nine years ago.
:05:48. > :05:53.It suddenly popped into my head that HG Wells was a local to Chichester,
:05:54. > :06:00.where he grew up. What nobody realises, and I didn't, it is
:06:01. > :06:06.semiautobiographical. He was a draper's assistant and hated it so
:06:07. > :06:10.much that he ran away. Became a supply teacher and was given the
:06:11. > :06:13.keys to the library, and that's when he decided to become one of the
:06:14. > :06:20.greatest English writers of all time. He loved winning a lot. A lot
:06:21. > :06:23.more than we have as the two lovely leading ladies in Half A Sixpence.
:06:24. > :06:30.It touches on every area of his life. What is fascinating about you,
:06:31. > :06:33.Cameron, your attention to detail. You have shows going worldwide, but
:06:34. > :06:38.you have reports on every single one of them, which is just really
:06:39. > :06:42.drilling down into what exactly is going on with the show. You think
:06:43. > :06:47.that's the secret to your success, why things are going well, because
:06:48. > :06:52.you are so invested? I did drive them all potty, but hopefully... For
:06:53. > :06:57.instance, I work with Julian Fellowes, the writers of the new
:06:58. > :07:03.songs and those who rearranged the originals. I worked with them from
:07:04. > :07:08.the outset. As it was with Mary Poppins, it's my idea to turn it,
:07:09. > :07:11.and I work on the structure. Luckily for us, Julian Fellowes immediately
:07:12. > :07:16.read the book and several years ago said, I know how to do it. That we
:07:17. > :07:22.had to wait all these years to get the rights to redo it. Between us,
:07:23. > :07:27.the whole team, every element of the show I pull together, and I work
:07:28. > :07:30.with the designer, the costume designer, the sound design, the
:07:31. > :07:35.orchestrator, on every single element. For me, all of that is just
:07:36. > :07:40.as important as building the fabric of the actors. Mary Poppins is on in
:07:41. > :07:44.Cardiff... It finishes an incredibly successful tour, it is about to go
:07:45. > :07:48.to Zurich and Dubai, the new Opera house. And hopefully before the end
:07:49. > :07:56.of the year it will be back in London. You can tell you are so
:07:57. > :08:00.passionate about it. We will get a taste of Half A Sixpence later on,
:08:01. > :08:04.the cast will be here performing the brilliant Flash Bang Wallop. A
:08:05. > :08:11.brilliant company. You are going to love it. Flash Bang Wallop sounds
:08:12. > :08:14.something like the one:would say. He is tireless in his mission to save
:08:15. > :08:20.people money and he has some more advice. -- something like Dom would
:08:21. > :08:24.say. To save money, you have to spend faster.
:08:25. > :08:30.Buying presents for your nearest and dearest can be a nightmare, and
:08:31. > :08:33.getting it wrong can prove an expensive mistake. So it is no
:08:34. > :08:38.surprise more of us are going for the easy option, gift cards. In
:08:39. > :08:48.fact, last year, purchases of gift cards and vouchers went up 4% to hit
:08:49. > :08:52.more than ?5 million. -- ?5 billion. But ?300 million of that will never
:08:53. > :08:56.be redeemed, and that is because most expiry dates start from the
:08:57. > :09:00.date of purchase, so you will probably have no idea when the money
:09:01. > :09:04.is going to run out. See if you can spot an expiry date on that card
:09:05. > :09:13.anywhere. Did you know they have an expiry date? Yeah, I did, a year, is
:09:14. > :09:19.dead? They are all different. -- isn't it? It is no wonder shoppers
:09:20. > :09:22.are getting confused. Different companies have completely different
:09:23. > :09:26.rules. Like many retailers, Marks and Spencer...
:09:27. > :09:32.INAUDIBLE. A number of companies have a limit,
:09:33. > :09:38.such as online ticket specialist Ticketmaster. If you get your mum a
:09:39. > :09:43.fancy afternoon voucher from Harvey nicks, she will have to use it in
:09:44. > :09:47.six months. Harvey Nichols said they are phasing out their six-month
:09:48. > :09:52.voucher in favour of a two-year gift card. Ticketmaster 's point out that
:09:53. > :09:55.customers need to bend a gift card within 12 months of purchase, but it
:09:56. > :10:00.doesn't have to be on an event that year. -- to spend.
:10:01. > :10:08.There are alternatives, like the one for all gift card that can be used
:10:09. > :10:12.with a range of retailers. But you had better spend the cash before the
:10:13. > :10:17.18 month deadline or they will start charging you a 90p per month fee.
:10:18. > :10:22.Cheeky! They say they don't receive any income for gift cards until they
:10:23. > :10:27.are spent at a retailer, said the 90p deduction from the cards helps
:10:28. > :10:34.cover their costs. So, another card, another policy. Confused? James from
:10:35. > :10:38.Fair Finance says there is a simple solution, get rid of expiry dates
:10:39. > :10:41.altogether. A lot of people will not realise the clock is ticking on
:10:42. > :10:45.their gift card and they could expire any moment. These are gifts,
:10:46. > :10:49.not a cash cow for the companies who already have the money in their
:10:50. > :10:53.coffers. If they care about their customers, there is no good reason
:10:54. > :10:57.for an expiry date. The have been calls for the government to put a
:10:58. > :11:01.minimum two-year expiry period on all gift cards, but for now the UK
:11:02. > :11:05.gift card and voucher associations say that although its best practice
:11:06. > :11:10.to offer a two-year expiry date, the decision is that the retailer's this
:11:11. > :11:15.question. So any confusion over gift card rules is set to continue for a
:11:16. > :11:21.while longer. I think it's time for some retail therapy. Meet consumer
:11:22. > :11:30.champion Helen complaining cow readily. She wants to make sure we
:11:31. > :11:36.don't lose out. If you are giving a gift card, give it with the receipt,
:11:37. > :11:39.which tends to have the expiry date, the transaction details. If you have
:11:40. > :11:45.a gift card and you don't know how long is left, whenever you go in the
:11:46. > :11:50.store, get them to swipe it. A lot of the big ones will restart the
:11:51. > :11:57.year, 24 months, from the date that they swipe The Card. Even without
:11:58. > :12:03.spending money? Absolutely. If all else fails, what can you do if you
:12:04. > :12:08.miss the date? Legally, not a lot. But you can try it on. Go to the
:12:09. > :12:12.store, write to customer services, tell them what you think. If more
:12:13. > :12:17.people complain, they will get rid of them. In the meantime, these
:12:18. > :12:21.should come with warnings, because if you don't use them, you risk
:12:22. > :12:25.losing them. So the advice is spend them!
:12:26. > :12:32.We heard from the complaining cow, that is her name! Try it on. You
:12:33. > :12:41.have tried it on but it didn't work for you. Dom got done! At the Ritz,
:12:42. > :12:47.they say a memory will last for ever... Until it expires! I said,
:12:48. > :12:54.would you extended, they said, sling your hook! We have had more luck.
:12:55. > :12:59.The team found around and spoke to a dozen different stores about these
:13:00. > :13:04.cards. Ted Baker and Nando's said, not a problem, they would extend
:13:05. > :13:10.them. Others said maybe, some said no, so ask and see how you get on. A
:13:11. > :13:13.man after your own heart, Cameron, you hate a rip-off and you have been
:13:14. > :13:21.key combating ticket touts in theatres. Ticket touting has been
:13:22. > :13:26.with us since the ice age, but particularly since technology has
:13:27. > :13:30.speeded up the ways that people can be ripped off, it has become an
:13:31. > :13:35.epidemic. The producers of Harry Potter have done a terrific job in
:13:36. > :13:39.already combating a lot, people trying to get tickets for that. In a
:13:40. > :13:43.couple of days, I'm about to announce what we are going to do for
:13:44. > :13:49.this upcoming musical called Hamilton. Which is a wonderful show.
:13:50. > :13:53.But of course, in America, huge amounts of those tickets have been
:13:54. > :13:59.passing hands for enormous amounts of money. It doesn't go to the
:14:00. > :14:04.production, it doesn't go to anyone... The public are ripped off
:14:05. > :14:09.and we need to stop it. You have a plan to combat it? No one can ever
:14:10. > :14:15.have a foolproof plan with the touts, but a revolution I think in
:14:16. > :14:18.tickets selling for London. Hopefully we will unveil it this
:14:19. > :14:22.week and it will allow as many people as possible to buy tickets
:14:23. > :14:30.for the show. Across the price range. Dom, what other government
:14:31. > :14:33.doing? They have a three pronged attack. A lot of people don't
:14:34. > :14:40.realise, when you are online and trying to buy tickets, you are
:14:41. > :14:44.competing against bot technology, a computer programme harvesting the
:14:45. > :14:50.tickets and the touts selling them. So it is you against a computer? It
:14:51. > :14:54.can be. The Department for Culture, Media and Sport are trying to get
:14:55. > :14:59.this stopped in Parliament. It has not gone through yet, it could go to
:15:00. > :15:01.the House of Lords. The competition and marketing authority have
:15:02. > :15:04.launched an investigation as to whether some of the companies
:15:05. > :15:09.selling the tickets are abiding by current consumer law. And HMRC are
:15:10. > :15:13.going to investigate to kick outs and the income they might be
:15:14. > :15:18.getting, putting it through other companies, so they are coming at it
:15:19. > :15:20.quite strong. Dom, thank you. Christine is well and truly out of
:15:21. > :15:32.her comfort zone tonight. As a gardener, I enjoy walking in
:15:33. > :15:36.the fresh air, listening to nature and the birds. I think mother nature
:15:37. > :15:40.has done a particularly good job, but in Cardiff, a group of artists
:15:41. > :15:44.and designers have come together to prove that by using modern
:15:45. > :15:51.technology, we can see nature in a totally different way. In the heart
:15:52. > :15:55.of the Welsh capital lies the stunning Bute Park, an unlikely
:15:56. > :16:01.setting for a virtual reality revolution. It has been started by
:16:02. > :16:07.Robbie McNicholas, who wants to turn us into animals. We have looked at
:16:08. > :16:15.the different animals that live in the UK Forest and adapted virtual
:16:16. > :16:20.reality using Sound and vibration is, and created an experience that
:16:21. > :16:25.puts you in the bodies of those creatures. Each one of these bizarre
:16:26. > :16:30.helmets contains a pair of virtual reality goggles which transport the
:16:31. > :16:33.wearer to an imaginary computer-generated forests that can
:16:34. > :16:39.be explored simply by moving your head, while sounds and vibrations
:16:40. > :16:43.add to the realism. The idea is to experience the world through the
:16:44. > :16:48.eyes of a mosquito, a dragonfly, a frog, and an owl. It's all very
:16:49. > :16:54.clever, but I want to know, how can we possibly know how these animals
:16:55. > :16:57.see the world? There is a generous wrinkling of artistic licence in
:16:58. > :17:05.what we have done, but we started with science, or so we code -- we
:17:06. > :17:09.consulted the Forestry Commission. The dragonfly, for instance, sees a
:17:10. > :17:15.much broader spectrum of light than our eyes can cope with. To find out
:17:16. > :17:21.what Robin is on about, I am going to dive into this virtual world. It
:17:22. > :17:24.looks like pink splodges. Apparently, these splodges are
:17:25. > :17:30.particles of carbon dioxide which mosquitoes can sense. It's gold on
:17:31. > :17:34.the bottom, and I can see some things sticking up. I am told they
:17:35. > :17:38.are meant to be trees. That was very weird. I couldn't really work out
:17:39. > :17:43.what anything was, but I think that might have been my eyesight. It's
:17:44. > :17:48.not just my eyesight that's bothering me about this. Modern
:17:49. > :17:53.technology dominates our lives today, but shouldn't the outdoors be
:17:54. > :18:02.somewhere we can escape it? PHONE RINGS
:18:03. > :18:07.Excuse me. Not everyone would agree with me. Some people rely on
:18:08. > :18:10.technology more than others. Charles Gibbs has a rare muscle wasting
:18:11. > :18:16.condition which makes visiting forests very tricky. One of the
:18:17. > :18:21.biggest Rob is about getting out into the countryside is access. With
:18:22. > :18:26.a wheelchair, you cannot go over a stile or through a gate. Leaving
:18:27. > :18:30.virtual reality could help? Absolutely. It will bring the
:18:31. > :18:34.countryside to people. It is a brilliant concept and I look forward
:18:35. > :18:40.to doing it again. Time for Charles to magically transform into a
:18:41. > :18:44.dragonfly. This is the most extraordinary experience I have ever
:18:45. > :18:49.had, just as if I were flying. It may be virtual, but this technology
:18:50. > :18:53.allows Charles to experience a world that normally would be inaccessible,
:18:54. > :18:59.and brings nature just a little bit closer. How did you find that? My
:19:00. > :19:03.goodness! That was absolutely tremendous, especially for me as a
:19:04. > :19:07.disabled person, that was such an out of body experience, the freedom
:19:08. > :19:11.of movement that I have not experienced for some time. So, that
:19:12. > :19:19.was absolutely superb. I have got to get me one of those, as they say! I
:19:20. > :19:25.am grateful to look through the world -- look at the world through
:19:26. > :19:29.the eyes of another animal, but I don't think I will miss these.
:19:30. > :19:34.Lovely to hit what Charles was saying, how liberating it was. We
:19:35. > :19:38.saw Christine there, she experienced musky division, but Cameron, we were
:19:39. > :19:43.wondering what it was like to see through your eyes, so we have come
:19:44. > :19:54.up with state-of-the-art technology, the Cam camera glasses. When we put
:19:55. > :19:56.these on, we get to see what the world looks like through Cameron
:19:57. > :20:09.Mackintosh's eyes. Let's have a look. Wow! It's a whole new world.
:20:10. > :20:21.You'll put me out of a job! Wow! That's quite something. Stars are
:20:22. > :20:28.born. Oh my God! Steady on! I feel a bit too young for that. You may
:20:29. > :20:32.laugh, but wait until you see the camera transform our normally drab
:20:33. > :20:39.and drizzly piazza. The cast of Half A Sixpence will perform live in just
:20:40. > :20:45.a moment and it will be brilliant. No Cam glasses needed. That is after
:20:46. > :20:58.Dan tells us about a mystery that is almost 100 years old.
:20:59. > :21:02.Captain Edward Brittain was just 22 in June 1918, when he decided to
:21:03. > :21:12.charge towards the enemy inwards in northern Italy. -- in woods. His
:21:13. > :21:22.decision cost him his life. But was there more to this act then simply
:21:23. > :21:26.bravery or recklessness? Edward Brittain enlisted with the British
:21:27. > :21:31.Army at the age of 18, so young that his application had to be signed by
:21:32. > :21:36.his parents. His military service record makes for impressive reading.
:21:37. > :21:39.Edward fought at the Battle of the Somme in the summer of 1916 and
:21:40. > :21:45.received the military Cross. The citation showed that -- said that he
:21:46. > :21:49.showed conspicuous gallantry and leadership. Although he was severely
:21:50. > :21:54.wounded, he continued to lead his men with calmness and bravery until
:21:55. > :21:58.he was disabled by a second wound. But by 1918, this fine officer was
:21:59. > :22:06.in danger of having his reputation ruined. There is evidence that he
:22:07. > :22:09.was about to be exposed as a homosexual. Sexual relations between
:22:10. > :22:17.men were not decriminalised in Britain until the 1960s will stop
:22:18. > :22:22.Julian has studied attitudes to homosexuality during the First World
:22:23. > :22:26.War. Once the war had started, there is the idea that homosexual acts
:22:27. > :22:30.were somehow subversive and aided the enemy, and that this advice was
:22:31. > :22:35.threatening the war effort. There is a rising tide of homophobia during
:22:36. > :22:42.the First World War? Yeah, it becomes hysteria. Approximately how
:22:43. > :22:47.many men from the Army were put on trial? Maybe 300. If you are run
:22:48. > :22:52.ordinary soldier, you get sentenced to a spell in prison and you get
:22:53. > :22:58.drummed out of the Army. If you are run officer, it is that much worse,
:22:59. > :23:04.in a way. You were humiliated, and you would find employment extremely
:23:05. > :23:08.difficult to obtain, if it had attracted publicity in the
:23:09. > :23:15.newspapers. Edward could have been cast aside. Certainly, many others
:23:16. > :23:17.were. His sister Vera went on to become a renowned writer. She
:23:18. > :23:23.immortalised her brother in her memoir, Testament Of Youth, a
:23:24. > :23:28.coming-of-age story about her experience during the war. Mark
:23:29. > :23:33.Bostwick has written a book about the and her brother, and he believes
:23:34. > :23:39.that Edward's tragic death may have been related to his being outed as a
:23:40. > :23:45.homosexual. Edward's commanding officer was content -- contacted by
:23:46. > :23:50.the military police, who told him they had intercepted correspondence
:23:51. > :23:54.making it unmistakably plain that these officers had been involved in
:23:55. > :23:59.homosexuality with men in their company. The day before them
:24:00. > :24:10.battle... INAUDIBLE
:24:11. > :24:15.He said to Edward, I did not realise that letters were censored at pace.
:24:16. > :24:19.He was trying to give Edward a coded warning.
:24:20. > :24:29.Edward goes into battle the next day and is killed. Do you think he
:24:30. > :24:32.wanted to die? All we can say, which Vera Brittain herself wrote, is that
:24:33. > :24:36.Edward's last days and hours must have been awful and dreadful. To
:24:37. > :24:40.have been such a distinguished officer and to have gone through the
:24:41. > :24:44.entire war, to have lost his closest friends and then to have this awful
:24:45. > :24:49.threat of being court-martialed for homosexuality is difficult to
:24:50. > :24:53.imagine. Edward died just months before the war ended and stop his
:24:54. > :25:02.sister never stop the grieving for him. The red Brittain never publicly
:25:03. > :25:05.commented on the circumstances surrounding her brother's there, but
:25:06. > :25:10.in her writing there was a hint as to how she must have felt. In one of
:25:11. > :25:16.her novels, one of the characters, an officer, tragically chooses death
:25:17. > :25:23.rather than face the shame of revelations about his sexuality.
:25:24. > :25:28.Thanks to Dan Snow for that story. Now, Cameron, who is here with our
:25:29. > :25:33.amazing Half A Sixpence cast, has a very special announcement. To
:25:34. > :25:37.encourage lots of Flash Bang Wallop tonight, I want to tell you we are
:25:38. > :25:46.extending through the summer into September. You are also brilliant.
:25:47. > :25:54.Thank you for being an amazing cast. Cameron, thank you so much.
:25:55. > :25:57.at the Noel Coward Theatre in London.
:25:58. > :25:59.Tomorrow the stars the Pointless and Call
:26:00. > :26:02.Now, performing the classic song Flash Bang Wallop,
:26:03. > :26:14.# All trying hard not to laugh up in a morning suit
:26:15. > :26:28.# 'Old it, flash, bang, wallop, what a picture
:26:29. > :26:32.# What a picture, what a photograph # Poor old soul, blimey, what a joke
:26:33. > :26:36.# Hat blown off in a cloud of smoke # Clap 'ands, stamp yer feet
:26:37. > :27:07.# Decided to get wed in their birthday suit
:27:08. > :27:17.# The man with the cam'ra said to taste the fruit
:27:18. > :27:19.# 'Old it, flash, bang, wallop, what a picture
:27:20. > :27:23.# Poor old Eve, there with nothing on
:27:24. > :27:28.# Face all red and 'er fig leaf gone # Clap 'ands, stamp yer feet
:27:29. > :27:32.# What a picture, what a picture bass drum, W-e-e-a-ay!
:27:33. > :28:05.# All the way from Waterloo from the battle scene
:28:06. > :28:11.# She said to 'im, in French of course
:28:12. > :28:13.# As he took of his big cocked 'at
:28:14. > :28:15.# 'Old it, flash, bang, wallop, what a picture
:28:16. > :28:19.# What a picture, what a photograph # There she was, with a big Hussar
:28:20. > :28:20.# All caught up in 'er oh-la-la
:28:21. > :28:29.# Clap 'ands, stamp yer feet, Ye-e-a-y!