:00:22. > :00:30.with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones. Our guest tonight was in a boy band,
:00:30. > :00:37.then a man band and now he is having a crack at a one-man band. It's Mark
:00:37. > :00:43.Owen! Good to see you. It's very exciting. I see you on the
:00:43. > :00:48.television and it's the first time I have sat on the sofa. It's not that
:00:48. > :00:51.comfy. Yeah, good for posture. are going to be singing at the end
:00:51. > :00:56.of the show, very exciting. Last night was the first night of your
:00:56. > :01:03.tour in Sheffield, how was that? Amazing crowd. People came, which is
:01:03. > :01:06.always good. Were you feeling tentative going on stage?
:01:06. > :01:11.vice-president done a gig on my own for eight years -- haven't done a
:01:11. > :01:18.gig on my own for eight years. Not quite sure whether anybody would
:01:18. > :01:22.turn up. But it was amazing. Amazing crowd. A lovely venue. It was in
:01:22. > :01:28.Sheffield, it's a great place anyway, it was kind of close and
:01:28. > :01:30.proper venue. It was hot and sweaty. Good. Listen after three decades of
:01:30. > :01:34.huge sellout tours there can't be many people who haven't seen Mark
:01:34. > :01:39.live by now. If you have a photograph of him and the boys live
:01:40. > :01:45.in the flesh at a gig or anywhere else, send us a picture and we will
:01:45. > :01:51.show some at the end of the show. will show them just before you sing
:01:51. > :01:55.so you can see them yourself. me in the zone! We have had Dutch
:01:55. > :02:01.elm disease, oak decline, and after the past year we can now add ash
:02:01. > :02:05.dieback to the list of tree threats. Lucy's been to Norfolk to see what
:02:05. > :02:11.you can do to help and to help the scientists starting the ash
:02:11. > :02:15.fightback. Ash dieback either arrived through imported trees or it
:02:15. > :02:21.blew in on a wind from elsewhere in Europe. Nobody knows for sure. We do
:02:21. > :02:25.know is that it's now at 500 sites here in the UK, including this one
:02:25. > :02:33.in Norfolk. It can be quite difficult to spot this time of year.
:02:33. > :02:37.But if you look here you can see this lesion on the bark, this will
:02:37. > :02:40.rise up through the stem and on this tree the leaves are already wilting.
:02:40. > :02:45.In a couple of weeks they will blacken and it will be completely
:02:45. > :02:50.dead. Unfortunately, this tree has definitely got ash dieback. Denmark
:02:50. > :02:55.has seen 60-90% of its ash trees die. The Government scientists say
:02:55. > :02:59.now that it's here it's unstoppable. You might think that following the
:02:59. > :03:05.invasion we Brits would slowly accept defeat and let the disease
:03:05. > :03:10.take root. Not so. A small army of British scientists and landowners
:03:10. > :03:17.aren't willing to give up the fight. They've come up with an awry of
:03:17. > :03:22.ingenious inventions and ideas which they hope will save our ash trees.
:03:22. > :03:27.One of these is a machine related to technology first created to test for
:03:27. > :03:31.anthrax in war zones. Now developed to fight against ash dieback.
:03:31. > :03:37.Identifying infected areas and trees quickly has been a problem, but this
:03:37. > :03:42.machine can do it in 20 minutes. actually got the fungus from the
:03:42. > :03:46.tree and grew it up and had a look at its biological blueprint. It
:03:46. > :03:51.enables us to rapidly identify whether we have ash dieback in the
:03:51. > :03:54.field. It sounds revolutionary. Is it? Very much so. This is the first
:03:54. > :03:59.across the world really for using this particular piece of technology
:04:00. > :04:04.for identifying plant diseases. it that ash dieback is so serious a
:04:04. > :04:08.concern that it merits using this? Absolutely. If it's in an area say
:04:09. > :04:13.like this lovely woodland here where people take dogs for a walk, people
:04:13. > :04:18.can help like wiping your boots when you have had a walk, keep to paths.
:04:18. > :04:25.What would previously have taken three weeks... Give it a little tap.
:04:25. > :04:30.Now takes minutes. We now pop it in the machine. After about 20 minutes
:04:30. > :04:34.the amount of DNA has increased to such April extent we can visual is
:04:34. > :04:42.it on the machine. What does this prove conclusively? The tree we took
:04:42. > :04:46.the sample from is positive for ash dieback fungus. Scientists are also
:04:46. > :04:51.using the latest mapping techniques to track the disease and this is
:04:51. > :04:56.something we can all help with because they've developed a phone
:04:56. > :05:02.app. That to me looks like ash dieback. But who am I to say? All I
:05:02. > :05:08.do is take a picture like so. The phone will automatically tell them
:05:08. > :05:12.my location and then I send it off to the boffins. Done. If it looks
:05:12. > :05:15.like a possible case it's sent direct to the Forestry Commission
:05:15. > :05:20.and that's helping them build a much clearer picture of how the disease
:05:20. > :05:27.is spreading. But it's not just about identification. Here in
:05:27. > :05:31.Norfolk ash dieback has been confirmed in over 80 sites. Why are
:05:31. > :05:37.they planting 250,000 new British ash trees? Well, they're hoping that
:05:37. > :05:40.some may turn out to be naturally resistant. It's a good thing to use
:05:40. > :05:45.our own native ash because there could be subtle differences in the
:05:45. > :05:51.genetics which make it better adapted for our climate. If we were
:05:51. > :05:54.to bring ash in from say France it may not do as well here.
:05:54. > :05:59.realistic realistically some of them are going to die? Some will die. The
:05:59. > :06:04.idea of this trial is to put the wide genetic diversity of trees into
:06:04. > :06:08.the face of the disease so that they stand every chance possible of
:06:08. > :06:12.catching it and, sadly, a lot of them are going to die. But we hope
:06:12. > :06:16.we will get some survivors that will give us that lifeline to the future.
:06:16. > :06:21.That will be like the golden ticket? Absolutely. This tree here could be
:06:21. > :06:26.the one that holds the key to giving us resistance for ash across the
:06:26. > :06:30.British isle. Let's keep everything crossed that we will find one that
:06:30. > :06:33.will stand strong there. During that film you were saying you have ash
:06:33. > :06:38.trees at the bottom of your garden overlooking the studio. I think we
:06:38. > :06:45.have a little treehouse at the bottom of - there is a picture of
:06:45. > :06:53.the studio. That's that bloke who was in the back garden! Sneaking
:06:53. > :06:57.around with a camera. A treehouse on an ash tree. The kids have a little
:06:57. > :07:02.treehouse. How does it feel from that studio to standing with Take
:07:02. > :07:09.That in front of 80,000 scream screaming nutcases like myself going
:07:09. > :07:12.fad for you? -- mad for you? There must be a point it doesn't feel
:07:12. > :07:16.real. That's amazing when you are doing stuff like that. You have
:07:16. > :07:22.those people singing your songs. I have a button, like a cheering
:07:22. > :07:27.button, when I write a song if it's a good one, I press the button and
:07:27. > :07:31.80,000 people going yeah! Is it any good, boo! All the fans around the
:07:31. > :07:35.country will be screaming for us to ask you the question, what's
:07:35. > :07:39.happening with you lads? Are you going back to the recording studio,
:07:39. > :07:44.coming back out on tour, what's happening? There are plans for us to
:07:44. > :07:47.make a new record. We are going to hopefully be going to the studio
:07:47. > :07:53.next year in January. That's what things are at the moment. It does
:07:53. > :07:59.change. Four, five people involved. What about a tour on the back of a
:07:59. > :08:03.new album? It's funny, when you show things like that it looks amazing.
:08:03. > :08:08.Why would we not want to attempt to do that again? When you say four or
:08:08. > :08:12.five, you are not sure how many will be back on the road or the studio?
:08:12. > :08:18.Rob starts his big tours at the end of this week. I think he starts,
:08:18. > :08:27.yeah or next week. He is doing big shows. He's been very busy the last
:08:27. > :08:30.year or so. I don't know whether - everybody's kind of up for doing
:08:30. > :08:36.something together again. You know, we will see how everybody feels. You
:08:36. > :08:42.never know. You are all busy with individual stuff. Gary is doing X
:08:42. > :08:47.Factor, Rob a new dad and he is busy, Howard is doing Got To Dance
:08:47. > :08:52.in Germany. Jason, what's he doing? I think he likes taking a bit of
:08:52. > :09:01.time. He's been up, back up north to see family and friends and chill
:09:01. > :09:06.out. Have time for himself. He was in - did you see him in Shameless? A
:09:07. > :09:11.bit of acting. You are busy, the new album and the title is this thing,
:09:11. > :09:17.that you can't sit around doing nothing. It's called The Art of
:09:17. > :09:22.Doing Nothing. And yeah, that's the name of the album. Yeah, it seems
:09:22. > :09:27.like the one thing I have been doing the last couple of weeks is not
:09:27. > :09:33.nothing, rehearsing, been on tour. It should be the art of working
:09:33. > :09:38.hard! You are a budding artist, as well. Is it drawing, painting?
:09:38. > :09:42.I am a budding artist. When I finish the Progress tour I came home and
:09:42. > :09:46.thought, right, I am going to do painting and bought a load of
:09:46. > :09:51.canvases and paint and an easel and started to do loads of paintings,
:09:52. > :09:59.the whole house was covered in paint. All in my fingernails weeks
:09:59. > :10:07.later. Nobody's ever seen any. I enjoyed making a bit of a mess.
:10:08. > :10:11.on a minute! Who designed this, Mark? Did you design this? Yeah.
:10:11. > :10:17.Isn't that amazing. You can all get your own mugs. Isn't that brilliant?
:10:17. > :10:20.There is an illustrator called What Katie Drew what did illustration for
:10:20. > :10:26.the album and she helped us, she's amazing. I can't take all the
:10:26. > :10:31.credit. I will take a little bit, but not all of it. Before we wrap up
:10:31. > :10:35.this, we have to say congratulations because you have been five months
:10:35. > :10:42.without smoking but you have taken up chocolate instead. Did you see my
:10:42. > :10:46.dressing room? We did. But it's not showing on your figure. Waistcoats
:10:46. > :10:54.help. I am the same with these things. Every time you fancy a
:10:54. > :11:04.cigarette on tour, maybe you could have a piece of this. Look. It's a
:11:04. > :11:08.chocolate you Is that me? That's amazing. Because you dress up. We
:11:08. > :11:15.can't take credit That's amazing. And they've got an easel. You can't
:11:15. > :11:20.have that, we need that! It's ready edible and it's fresh. Hasn't been
:11:21. > :11:30.there for ages. You can pick off a star. Mark will be singing Stars at
:11:31. > :11:32.
:11:32. > :11:36.the end of the show. How do you keep that, it will melt. Big fridge!
:11:36. > :11:39.Amazing, thank you, wow! Have a nibble while you are watching this.
:11:39. > :11:43.John Sergeant has gone back to his investigative roots to look into one
:11:43. > :11:46.of the world's most secretive meetings. John went to snoop around
:11:46. > :11:56.to find out what was really going on behind closed doors in
:11:56. > :11:58.
:11:58. > :12:04.Hertfordshire. This is top secret. Over there in
:12:04. > :12:13.that hotel there's been a meeting of about 140 people, including some of
:12:13. > :12:17.the most powerful people in the world. Each year for the past 60
:12:17. > :12:23.years the billed Bilderberg group have been meeting in secret in
:12:23. > :12:26.various cups to discuss - well, we don't know various countries. The
:12:26. > :12:30.meeting took place at the Grove hotel in Hertfordshire. It's
:12:30. > :12:35.surrounded by an impressive golf course. A great place for a weekend
:12:35. > :12:39.jolly, but Michael Meacher MP believes there could be a much more
:12:39. > :12:46.sinister agenda. This is a meeting of the most important people from
:12:46. > :12:50.the banks, UN institutions, from Europe, all politicians. People who
:12:50. > :12:55.control the biggest institutions when they meet, they meet in order
:12:55. > :12:58.to concert an agenda, to get their plans implemented. There is no doubt
:12:59. > :13:02.at all that they would not be here if these were not very important
:13:03. > :13:08.decisions. We need to know what they have been discussing and they should
:13:08. > :13:13.be held to account in parliament about what may have been decided.
:13:13. > :13:18.You are a spokesman for a secret meeting but you can't say much, you
:13:18. > :13:22.can't really say anything, is that right? For the first time in a long
:13:22. > :13:25.history the Bilderberg Group has employed a PR company with a sort of
:13:25. > :13:32.spokesman. He didn't want to be filmed and asked us not to reveal
:13:32. > :13:40.his name. I was allowed, though, to have a chat with him on the phone.
:13:40. > :13:45.He said what he can, which is not very much! A few years ago the very
:13:45. > :13:49.existence of the Group was denied but an American conspiracy
:13:49. > :13:55.theorists, Alex Jones, helped to blow its cover. His internet radio
:13:55. > :14:01.show claims to have three million daily followers. The past years our
:14:01. > :14:05.moles inside have gotten us their agenda. MrJones travelled from the
:14:05. > :14:09.United States just to stand outside and attack the delegates for their
:14:09. > :14:13.secrecy. Right, now, tell me they're meeting. What's your feeling about
:14:13. > :14:17.that? You have a major lobbying scandal going on right now in the
:14:17. > :14:22.UK, Members of Parliament resigning and then hiding in plain view is one
:14:22. > :14:26.of the most famous secretive lobbying organisations in the world
:14:26. > :14:31.and it's right there at the pinnacle of power. They're up to no good?Not
:14:31. > :14:35.everyone who goes to Bilderberg from my research is a skound reor
:14:35. > :14:39.villain. They're in there with regulators trying to figure out tax
:14:39. > :14:44.avoidance schemes, for themselves, how to put their losses off on the
:14:45. > :14:51.public Is it a financial conspiracy? Financial control is at the core of
:14:51. > :14:54.it. But it runs the gamet. You will have some - some meetings meeting
:14:54. > :14:58.with energy company heads and after the meeting they go and shut down
:14:58. > :15:03.competition. You can't stop secret meetings, can you? No, but we need
:15:03. > :15:08.to go back to the old days of 70 years ago of when the media really
:15:08. > :15:11.would try to get in to the fat cats smoking room, we are rediscovering
:15:11. > :15:16.the power gets behind the scenes and tries to screw the little people and
:15:16. > :15:24.tries to use Government regulation to shut down the people. And we are
:15:24. > :15:30.here in defiance of their tyranny! It's time for lunch, I think.
:15:30. > :15:34.Absolutely. Goodness me, Alex Jones! Alex Jones the conspiracy theorists
:15:35. > :15:40.has caused me no end of problems this weekend, doing what are you
:15:40. > :15:50.doing? It's not me. You are not like him. The Bilderberg Group, it's a
:15:50. > :15:52.
:15:52. > :15:58.great one for conspiracy theoristses to latch on to. Yes, David Cameron
:15:58. > :16:04.was there, George Osborne, Ed Balls, Mandelson. They are certainly
:16:04. > :16:11.important people meeting, is it a conspiracy? I don't think so.
:16:11. > :16:15.can they justify the Prime Minister attending meetings like this?
:16:15. > :16:21.Clarke said it is a private organisation, not government
:16:21. > :16:27.responsibility, and in a sense why shouldn't we have private meetings?
:16:27. > :16:31.And in a way maybe you want important people to get round and
:16:31. > :16:37.have the matter before making policies. It can be extremely
:16:37. > :16:43.useful, and you can pick up gossip, especially on the sidelines. But if
:16:43. > :16:46.you had a real secret, can you imagine blurting it out in front of
:16:46. > :16:51.perhaps 100 other people. You wouldn't because somebody might have
:16:51. > :16:56.a tape recording, somebody might break the rules of secrecy. It is
:16:56. > :17:02.very unlikely the delegates would say a real secret. And we are
:17:02. > :17:09.talking about it on telly! Bilderberg Group is not the first
:17:09. > :17:15.secret society, there are things like the Freemasons. The Freemasons
:17:15. > :17:22.go back several hundred years, the Catholic Opus Dei group, a group of
:17:22. > :17:32.future leaders meeting for residential courses. In America you
:17:32. > :17:33.
:17:33. > :17:40.have the Bohemian Grove, which sounds dreadful! I'm sure a lot of
:17:40. > :17:44.musicians must get together in secret. We have the X-Files!With
:17:44. > :17:49.these bands reforming you might think they would get together, not
:17:49. > :17:59.their heads together and there instruments or whatever. I don't
:17:59. > :18:03.know. They do it without me, if they do! Getting music groups together is
:18:03. > :18:08.about as hard as getting politicians together to agree I would have
:18:08. > :18:16.thought. Before we got back together we had a couple of meetings. We
:18:16. > :18:22.wanted to test how it would feel. the music studio? We sat around and
:18:22. > :18:27.said how is everybody feeling and do you want to attempt this? And the
:18:27. > :18:31.outcome was positive, which was good news. If the Bilderberg Group want
:18:31. > :18:39.their next meeting to be very secret, they will have to choose
:18:39. > :18:49.somewhere harder to get to than Watford. Rockall, the most remote
:18:49. > :18:59.part of the British Isles, this tiny outcrop measures 31 metres by 25
:18:59. > :19:01.
:19:01. > :19:05.metres. This SAS soldier reaffirmed the UK's writes to the island and
:19:05. > :19:10.the resource rich seas around it by occupying it for 40 days. Now Nick
:19:10. > :19:15.Hancock from Edinburgh wants to break that record and live in this
:19:15. > :19:23.DIY survival pod for 60 days. a huge contrast from day-to-day
:19:23. > :19:28.life, going to work and sitting at a desk, and going out to Rockall will
:19:28. > :19:33.be completely different and probably quite refreshing. Nick is a
:19:33. > :19:40.chartered surveyor and his workmates think he is crazy. Good on him for
:19:40. > :19:48.doing that. It is good but he is mad. I think he's crazy, brave, off
:19:48. > :19:58.his head. Winnick first raised the subject of taking two months off to
:19:58. > :19:59.
:20:00. > :20:04.sit on a rock, the initial reaction was no! But he won them round. So
:20:04. > :20:11.you will be spending most of your 60 days in an area known larger than
:20:11. > :20:17.your average dining room table. will be tethered 15 metres above the
:20:17. > :20:22.waterline. It will still get hit by waves. Last year a reconnaissance
:20:22. > :20:26.visit to the Rock showed how crucial the weather will be in his attempt.
:20:26. > :20:32.Sheer cliffs make it difficult to land on. There is just one spot
:20:32. > :20:41.where he can climb up on but this year he will be taking his pod with
:20:41. > :20:51.him and to do it he needs perfect conditions. We can see here the
:20:51. > :20:51.
:20:51. > :20:57.swell is starting to pick up, 2.6 metres. Swell of 2.6 metres may mean
:20:57. > :21:03.that Nick cannot get onto the rock at all. It is getting closer to the
:21:03. > :21:09.point of no return. The pod is going on to the boat, then you are
:21:09. > :21:14.committed and off. It will take more than 12 hours to reach Rockall. Four
:21:14. > :21:19.hours in and the weather takes a turn for the worse. We have suddenly
:21:19. > :21:24.dropped off the continental shelf so the ocean has gone from about 100
:21:24. > :21:28.metres deep to over two kilometres so it is starting to get lumpy but
:21:28. > :21:34.one of us doesn't seem bothered in the slightest. This is now or never
:21:34. > :21:42.window, and Nick is concerned about his chances of even getting onto the
:21:42. > :21:45.rock. I went to jump the boat fell away from me so I fell
:21:45. > :21:52.unceremoniously into the drink! You can be on maybe a few metres and the
:21:52. > :21:58.swell will come in and take you off again. Having travelled across 200
:21:58. > :22:04.miles of ocean, a spec appears on the radar. As day breaks, we get our
:22:04. > :22:08.first glimpse of the island. There we have it, lays macro rising like a
:22:08. > :22:14.snaggletooth out of the Atlantic. Looking at it, I cannot believe Nick
:22:14. > :22:22.is going to climb on it. As we get closer, skipper Angus Smith sees a
:22:22. > :22:29.problem with the swell. It is not looking good. It is pulling away,
:22:29. > :22:34.leaving a hole, then coming up quickly, rising about four metres.
:22:34. > :22:39.It is too quick to scramble up without damaging yourself. Angus
:22:39. > :22:44.takes Nick to one side and takes the decision to pull the plug on his
:22:44. > :22:50.attempt. With only enough fuel to get us home and the weather
:22:50. > :22:56.deteriorating, we have to turn back. I am really disappointed, look has
:22:56. > :23:01.not been on my side. Looking at it, I am not confident I am going to get
:23:01. > :23:11.on. This was the only window and Nick had to make his attempt. Leave
:23:11. > :23:14.it any later and a 60 day stay may have left him stranded. It was
:23:14. > :23:17.always going to be a tough challenge but coming 250 miles out here and
:23:17. > :23:21.seeing the swell go up and down the side of Rockall, you would have to
:23:21. > :23:29.be mad to try to climb on it, but he lives to fight another day. He will
:23:29. > :23:35.conquer the rock yet. Nick is here, thankfully wide-awake.
:23:35. > :23:38.Why didn't you have another go the day after? The weather was going to
:23:38. > :23:45.get progressively worse so we had to make a run for it back to the Isle
:23:45. > :23:53.of Harris. It is a huge shame, but what did your office colleagues make
:23:53. > :23:58.of it when you went back? They were a bit surprised to see me but it was
:23:58. > :24:02.good for them that I could take over some of the workload again. You have
:24:02. > :24:09.now parked your capsule in the car park and working from their!
:24:09. > :24:18.Obviously you did research, what was the most fascinating thing you found
:24:18. > :24:26.out about Rockall? It rises about 2000 metres above the sea level so
:24:26. > :24:36.it is higher than Ben Nevis. If you do try it again, good luck. Earlier
:24:36. > :24:40.
:24:40. > :24:47.on we asked if you had any pictures of Mark. This is Mark in 2009.
:24:47. > :24:53.piano. This is from your biggest fan called Katie Warrington, this was on
:24:53. > :25:01.the Circus tour. She is planning to name her baby after you. I have
:25:01. > :25:07.still got my unicycle. This is from 1993, you haven't changed a bit.
:25:07. > :25:15.This was the happiest day of my life more than 20 years ago, surely in
:25:15. > :25:25.witness. That is amazing. We will show some more during Mark's first
:25:25. > :25:37.
:25:37. > :25:41.live TV performance. Ready? This is Stars. # Gonna build a rocket # Any
:25:41. > :25:46.time you want it # Paint it pretty colours # Gonna light it up and take
:25:46. > :25:50.us to the moon # That's what I'm gonna do # That's what I'm gonna #
:25:50. > :26:00.Save up all the paper # Gonna need later # Maybe take a minute # To get
:26:00. > :26:02.
:26:02. > :26:06.to my head directions of the way # You want to get away # I'm taking
:26:06. > :26:13.you # Through the eyes of the black hole # And the open doors # Through
:26:13. > :26:17.the cracks in the pavement # In conversation # From the top of the
:26:17. > :26:26.empire # To a state unknown # If I say that I'm leaving # Just got to
:26:26. > :26:35.hang on # Cos we're just stars # Trying to get back to where we're
:26:35. > :26:38.from # One by one, we're gonna leave this planet # So don't look back #
:26:38. > :26:46.Cos you know that it's all just time, # When you've got nothing on
:26:46. > :26:50.your mind, # You've made it # Somewhere in the future # Talk about
:26:50. > :26:54.forever # Take yourself a picture # Waiting in the rain for a postcard
:26:54. > :27:04.from the sun # The one that never comes # The one that never shows #
:27:04. > :27:04.
:27:04. > :27:08.The one that never shows # Is building something # From the heart
:27:08. > :27:18.of the wreckage # In another zone # If I tell you we're leaving # Just
:27:18. > :27:26.got to hang on # Cos we're just stars # Trying to get back to where
:27:26. > :27:30.we're from # One by one, we're gonna leave this planet # So don't look
:27:30. > :27:36.back # Cos you know that it's all just time, # When you've got nothing
:27:36. > :27:46.on your mind, # You've made it # From the top of the empire # I think
:27:46. > :28:01.
:28:01. > :28:09.we've got vertigo # Cos we're just stars # Trying to get back to where
:28:09. > :28:12.we're from # One by one, we're gonna leave this planet # So don't look
:28:12. > :28:20.back # Cos you know that it's all just time, # When you've got nothing
:28:20. > :28:26.on your mind, # You've made it # Cos we're just stars # Trying to get
:28:26. > :28:30.back to where we're from # One by one, we're gonna leave this planet #
:28:30. > :28:40.So don't look back # Cos you know that it's all just time, # When
:28:40. > :28:47.
:28:47. > :28:56.you've got nothing on your mind, # You've made it .