:00:19. > :00:26.Hello and welcome to Thursday's One Show with Matt Baker... And Alex
:00:27. > :00:34.Jones. To my's guest is somebody who's hair is as versatile as she
:00:35. > :00:41.is. -- tonight's guest. She can do blonde. Max big yellow she can do
:00:42. > :00:51.brunette... And now she has a redhead. Who is it tonight? Surprise
:00:52. > :00:57.the prize! It is Sheridan Smith! You didn't tell me you were going to do
:00:58. > :01:12.that! He has been practising for hours doing this all day! Oh, dear!
:01:13. > :01:21.Very good! Hang on. I am bald! It is for a part, isn't it? Yes. I have
:01:22. > :01:28.shaved my head for a part. Is that yours? No. Have your eyebrows grown
:01:29. > :01:36.back? They are starting to grow back. It is late in the year. This
:01:37. > :01:45.is a wig but I prefer blonde. That pink and blue, was that? Right
:01:46. > :01:49.around the BAFTAs I had... There it is! People thought, she has gone all
:01:50. > :01:54.Miley Cyrus and lost the plot! And that I was more bonkers than I
:01:55. > :02:00.already am! But I thought, why not try every colour I can? So I went
:02:01. > :02:04.blue, pink, purple, crazy colours! We are going to be talking about
:02:05. > :02:09.your role as Cilla later. Before that, just a week to go till
:02:10. > :02:13.Scotland votes on independence, and makes a decision which could lead to
:02:14. > :02:16.the break-up of the UK. People outside of Scotland have absolutely
:02:17. > :02:20.no say in the matter but the effect of a yes vote will be enormous. Alex
:02:21. > :02:25.Riley has been looking into what it could mean.
:02:26. > :02:30.Tonight, viewers in Scotland have their own programmes, so while they
:02:31. > :02:33.are debating the pros and cons of independence, it is a chance for the
:02:34. > :02:39.rest of us to find out what the implications are for us if the Scots
:02:40. > :02:44.vote yes. At the moment, we have free movement
:02:45. > :02:50.between all the nations of the UK. What will happen if Scotland becomes
:02:51. > :02:53.independent? If they adopted a much more free borders policy, the
:02:54. > :02:57.remainder of the UK would undoubtedly say, well, we are going
:02:58. > :03:03.to have a proper border with customs posts and so on. A massive fence
:03:04. > :03:06.could be erected between the 2 countries and nobody would be
:03:07. > :03:10.allowed to pass except through some high security doors. That is not
:03:11. > :03:17.going to happen. I imagine if this were to happen, it would not make
:03:18. > :03:20.much difference because the countries would make some
:03:21. > :03:29.arrangements. EU movements can pass without problems at the moment.
:03:30. > :03:32.Would Scotland becoming independent have a detrimental effect on the
:03:33. > :03:38.rest of the economy for the rest of the UK? Would we be poorer? It would
:03:39. > :03:40.almost certainly mean disruption, instability in the markets, which
:03:41. > :03:45.would have an economic effect, but the general consensus seems to be
:03:46. > :03:50.that, yes, we would both be OK but take a hit in the short-term. If
:03:51. > :03:53.there was a currency union, then the Bank of England would set the
:03:54. > :03:58.interest rates, and that sort of thing? That is true. They would set
:03:59. > :04:03.them for the whole of the UK, including Scotland, so whether this
:04:04. > :04:07.counts as real independence is a moot point.
:04:08. > :04:14.Up until now, we have all looked out for each other, so how will an
:04:15. > :04:18.independent Scotland after itself on the world stage? And without them,
:04:19. > :04:24.will the rest of us still be able to pack a punch?
:04:25. > :04:30.What would be the locations for the defence of the rest of the UK? The
:04:31. > :04:35.UK Armed Forces would be eight to 10% smaller than they are today, but
:04:36. > :04:38.beyond that, if the Trident nuclear deterrent were moved from Scotland,
:04:39. > :04:43.that would rekindle that debate in the UK, and that in turn would
:04:44. > :04:48.trigger questions about Britain's seat on the Security Council at the
:04:49. > :04:52.United Nations. It reduces our resources and it could weaken our
:04:53. > :04:58.ability to fight another war. But whether it cripples it completely is
:04:59. > :05:03.highly unlikely. So, if Scotland does go it alone,
:05:04. > :05:08.what will we call ourselves? That really is the end of Britain, so I
:05:09. > :05:14.suspect what we would be called is the United Kingdom of England, Wales
:05:15. > :05:19.and Northern Ireland. We could call ourselves "almost as Great
:05:20. > :05:24.Britain". And as for the flag, I imagine we will keep it. The Union
:05:25. > :05:30.Jack is so well-known that they would be a lot of pressure to keep
:05:31. > :05:33.it as it is and not, for example, require lots of Commonwealth
:05:34. > :05:39.countries to redesign their flags as well.
:05:40. > :05:43.I suppose we could end up with a dragon? Possibly. I can't see it
:05:44. > :05:50.happening, though. Perhaps the unicorn. Yeah! The unicorn Kingdom!
:05:51. > :05:55.Lovely! Thank you, Alex. The BBC's political
:05:56. > :06:02.editor Nick Robinson joins us now. There is a lot of uncertainty... We
:06:03. > :06:07.are almost toying with less than Great Britain as an idea! There is
:06:08. > :06:12.so much uncertainty around the issue. Why haven't the Government
:06:13. > :06:15.got a concrete plan in Scotland becomes independent? Quite simply
:06:16. > :06:18.because the Prime Minister gave orders to the civil servant is not
:06:19. > :06:21.to have a concrete plan and he said there would be no so-called
:06:22. > :06:25.contingency planning. He said the reason he did that was because they
:06:26. > :06:29.did not want to contemplate it. I think in reality it is because he
:06:30. > :06:33.did not want any of the paperwork or thinking to leak out and affect the
:06:34. > :06:37.referendum campaign itself. The thing people worry about will be
:06:38. > :06:42.their finances, went it? The impact on their savings, for example, and
:06:43. > :06:45.the rate for the pound. Will it affect interest rates? Most of those
:06:46. > :06:49.decisions are ones for the Governor of the Bank of England, and he says
:06:50. > :06:53.he has been making plans. And, interestingly, the head of the
:06:54. > :06:56.Treasury said he made contingency plans to make contingency plans,
:06:57. > :07:02.which is a posh way of saying that he is thinking about it a lot but
:07:03. > :07:05.has not written any of it down! Nick, you have been there for the
:07:06. > :07:11.last few days in Edinburgh thinking what people are -- hearing what
:07:12. > :07:15.people are thinking. Have people made up their minds yet? There seem
:07:16. > :07:20.to be lots of people who have made up their minds -- not made up their
:07:21. > :07:27.mind, and it is not that they don't know what to do but they go, no, and
:07:28. > :07:30.then they go, yes. I spoke to people in a bar yesterday and both of them
:07:31. > :07:33.admitted they might swap to the other position. People are studying
:07:34. > :07:37.and thinking a lot. They are arguing with each other a lot but there is a
:07:38. > :07:45.real sense that this remains a live debate. Thank you. Just a week to go
:07:46. > :07:51.for people to decide. Anyway, thanks again. So, Sheridan, we have a
:07:52. > :07:58.little known fact about you now. Oh, no! You do love canoeing, don't
:07:59. > :08:05.you? Which is not what you were expecting to hear this afternoon! I
:08:06. > :08:08.have been in a canoe! When I was little, there was nothing to do
:08:09. > :08:12.around our area in my village, so we had these two man canoes. I still
:08:13. > :08:18.can't swim but I would wear a little life jacket and would go in one
:08:19. > :08:25.canoe and my brother would go in the other. You still can't swim?! It is
:08:26. > :08:31.embarrassing, isn't it? I have been in a canoe, though. There you go!
:08:32. > :08:32.Canoeists in England and Wales are at loggerheads with anglers and it
:08:33. > :08:44.is a row that could end up in court. There is nothing more tranquil than
:08:45. > :09:02.a spot of relaxing fishing. There is absolutely nothing half as
:09:03. > :09:08.much worth doing as messing about on boats. Excuse me! What do you think
:09:09. > :09:13.you are doing?! Just enjoying the river! This is private land! What
:09:14. > :09:20.makes you think you have the right to be here? The Magna Carta! A row
:09:21. > :09:24.between anglers and canoeists over access to our rivers is in danger of
:09:25. > :09:27.bubbling over into all-out war. The Angling Trust is threatening the
:09:28. > :09:31.British Canoe Union with legal action. The anglers claimed the
:09:32. > :09:35.British Canoe Union is spreading false information that people in
:09:36. > :09:37.England and Wales have the right to navigate through waterways
:09:38. > :09:44.regardless of whose land it passes through. Now they are angling to
:09:45. > :09:50.have paddlers restricted to just 2000 of our 41,000 miles of rivers
:09:51. > :09:53.and canals in England and Wales. OK, so I am not actually on any water
:09:54. > :09:57.but there is a very good reason for that. The row has become so intense
:09:58. > :10:02.that the Angling Association said they would refuse to take part if I
:10:03. > :10:06.was seen on the waterway and the British Canoe Union have refused to
:10:07. > :10:10.take part whilst they consider their legal stance. All right, Jack, you
:10:11. > :10:16.can quit now. Stop picking up your part!
:10:17. > :10:23.Market is Chief Executive of the Angling Trust and fish legal. --
:10:24. > :10:27.Mark. What is the problem with canoeists? If people come down in
:10:28. > :10:31.canoes when people are fishing it will destroy their sport, and there
:10:32. > :10:35.are particular places on rivers where fish spawn, and if canoes go
:10:36. > :10:40.down at the time the fish spawning, it could cause problems for fish
:10:41. > :10:45.stocks. I thought fishing was chilled out. I thought I was going
:10:46. > :10:50.to have a good time here! It is a beautifully calm thing to do but if
:10:51. > :10:55.you have lots of people in lycra on plastic boats destroying the peace,
:10:56. > :11:01.it ceases to be chilled out. The Angling Trust would like to keep
:11:02. > :11:05.most of our rivers canoe-free from September. There is a closed season
:11:06. > :11:10.for fishing or through winter where anglers aren't allowed to go
:11:11. > :11:21.fishing, and most serious canoeists are allowed on the water. Here, I
:11:22. > :11:25.meet Doctor Douglas Catherine, who published a these as ten years ago
:11:26. > :11:31.which sparked this whole row. I have a very ancient photocopy of the
:11:32. > :11:35.Magna Carta here. What does it have to do with this? It says that all
:11:36. > :11:41.rivers must be kept clear but it does not say why rivers must be kept
:11:42. > :11:48.clear. For that you need to look at 1472, and that Act says rivers
:11:49. > :11:53.should be kept clear for ships, boats and fish. I have been looking
:11:54. > :11:57.for 12 years for an Act of Parliament which ends that public
:11:58. > :12:04.right, and I have not found it. As far as I am concerned, you are free
:12:05. > :12:08.to take a boat on any river without having to ask the local landowner.
:12:09. > :12:12.It is the same as walking down a footpath. What do you have to say
:12:13. > :12:17.about this? The Magna Carta which says anyone can use the waterways?
:12:18. > :12:22.Every legal professional we have ever spoken to says there are legal
:12:23. > :12:26.judgements throughout the last 200 years which clarified that the law
:12:27. > :12:31.of the land is that you would need permission to navigate down rivers.
:12:32. > :12:34.This battle has had anglers and canoeists at loggerheads for two
:12:35. > :12:38.years, and until someone clarifies that law, it is only going to rage
:12:39. > :12:42.on. Well, the British Canoe Union has
:12:43. > :12:46.said they have tried over many years to establish a working relationship
:12:47. > :12:50.with the Angling Trust so that both sports can be enjoyed and shared by
:12:51. > :12:55.everyone. Now, then, you're much anticipated
:12:56. > :12:58.Cilla is about to hit our screens. It comes to ITV on Monday night.
:12:59. > :13:34.Let's see you in action. Well! Sheridan! It is those early
:13:35. > :13:38.years, then! It is her early years in the 60s. It must be quite nerve
:13:39. > :13:44.wracking for you, not only because it is a full on role but obviously
:13:45. > :13:48.because Cilla is still alive? It was terrifying! But she has been so
:13:49. > :13:52.supportive. We went out for dinner before shooting and she was very
:13:53. > :13:59.supportive and gave me her number to call. And have you? No! It is Cilla
:14:00. > :14:04.Black! And if I rang her saying, how do I say this line? How do I say
:14:05. > :14:11.that line? I just have to go with it. The director has all the details
:14:12. > :14:18.as he has spent a lot of time going to and fro with Cilla. I was too
:14:19. > :14:22.scared to ring her! But I imagine you have been watching her intently,
:14:23. > :14:26.just trying to pick up little mannerisms? I had singing lessons
:14:27. > :14:30.and I read her biography and on YouTube there is a lot of footage of
:14:31. > :14:38.her and I have become so obsessed that I was like, can I just say that
:14:39. > :14:43.bit where... ? I was like, sorry, sorry. Shut up! But you are saying
:14:44. > :14:46.you did not want it to be an impersonation of Cilla, which is a
:14:47. > :14:50.trap it could easily have fallen into, but then how do you go about
:14:51. > :14:58.creating her singing voice which is so distinctive? Which you
:14:59. > :15:04.brilliantly showed! And it is hard because when you hit those high
:15:05. > :15:08.notes, the teeth fall out! Everybody does an impersonation of Cilla and I
:15:09. > :15:13.would be doing her a deserve this. I am not an impersonator. So me and
:15:14. > :15:18.the director decided -- decided early on... We decided to take this
:15:19. > :15:21.mannerisms and do our own version. But singing wise she had a rock 'n'
:15:22. > :15:24.roll voice when she was with The Beatles, and then when she got to
:15:25. > :15:28.the recording studio, she realised she had a soft voice when she had
:15:29. > :15:34.the earphones, which is why she had those two different sounds. We did
:15:35. > :15:38.our version of Cilla rather than impersonating her. Where do you
:15:39. > :15:42.normally start with a character? Because we have seen you play so
:15:43. > :15:43.many different, diverse characters? Is it different for every single
:15:44. > :15:55.one? Mrs Biggs was the same writer. You
:15:56. > :15:57.want them to be proud but there is something so exciting about
:15:58. > :16:04.researching somebody and their mannerisms. Going back to where she
:16:05. > :16:10.was brought up. We shot the whole thing in Liverpool. Surrounded by
:16:11. > :16:14.people with the accident. Yes and they were amazing, so friendly,
:16:15. > :16:19.inviting us in four cups of tea. Have you fallen in love with the
:16:20. > :16:23.1960s? I love that era. That sound will never happen again, the
:16:24. > :16:31.Beatles, Gerry and the pacemakers, and Cilla was the only woman and I'm
:16:32. > :16:36.in awe of her. You have done her great justice. I hope so. And we'll
:16:37. > :16:40.look forward to seeing it. Next to the family who had to make the
:16:41. > :16:43.toughest decision of their lives. Should they put their five-year-old
:16:44. > :16:50.daughter through a bone breaking operation to make her taller?
:16:51. > :16:53.My name is Jane Fellows, this is my husband Simon. Our daughter was born
:16:54. > :16:58.with a genetic condition which means she would only ever grow to around
:16:59. > :17:02.three and a half feet. We made the decision to put her through surgery
:17:03. > :17:05.to make her taller. Robyn Fellows's condition means she
:17:06. > :17:11.will never be quite as tall as her friends, but she does not seem to be
:17:12. > :17:14.bothered, who at one stage thought she wouldn't be able to keep up with
:17:15. > :17:17.them at all. The first thing I thought was how
:17:18. > :17:24.perfect she was. It was that instant motherly bond. She looked lovely,
:17:25. > :17:27.allsorts of wrapped up. It was the nurse who came round first and she
:17:28. > :17:31.kept pulling at her arms and legs and I was thinking, what are you
:17:32. > :17:34.doing that for? She said I need to get a doctor to come and look and I
:17:35. > :17:39.knew then that something wasn't right. Robyn was diagnosed with
:17:40. > :17:45.achondroplasia which meant that she would always be very small with much
:17:46. > :17:49.short arms and legs. In your mind you don't want to accept it, that
:17:50. > :17:54.there was nothing wrong with her, I just wanted to grab her and run.
:17:55. > :17:58.Sorry... What reaction did you use to get from people in the streets? I
:17:59. > :18:04.went shopping with Robyn once and a rude lady said what is the matter
:18:05. > :18:08.with her, she looks different, her arms are not right. I remember
:18:09. > :18:12.dragging her out of the trolley and driving home in floods of tears and
:18:13. > :18:17.sat her up and said, Robyn, I'm making a promise to you now that we
:18:18. > :18:21.will do everything you can -- we can to give you a happy life. When Robyn
:18:22. > :18:24.was nine years old the family discovered a treatment available
:18:25. > :18:31.that could in time make her around one foot taller. It was very much
:18:32. > :18:35.excitement, relief, but then also oh my God, what does it entail? The
:18:36. > :18:40.surgery involves breaking the child's bones to create a gap and
:18:41. > :18:43.placing a metal frame around their limbs. For months afterwards the
:18:44. > :18:49.bones get pulled further apart each day allowing new bone to grow in the
:18:50. > :18:53.gap. At the end of the day you are putting a healthy child through a
:18:54. > :18:57.painful procedure. That was my one struggle. I'm taking a healthy child
:18:58. > :19:01.into hospital and making her ill. It is seen as controversial surgery
:19:02. > :19:05.because to some extent it is cosmetic, you are dealing with a
:19:06. > :19:10.child who is physically active and healthy, but short, and then putting
:19:11. > :19:16.them through extreme surgery to give them greater height. Why not just
:19:17. > :19:19.accept her for who she was? We live in a society where you are judged
:19:20. > :19:26.and I didn't want her to think people were looking at her and then
:19:27. > :19:29.she would get self conscious. If you are not begin to reach things,
:19:30. > :19:34.cannot even get yourself on the toilet, that is a big issue. And so
:19:35. > :19:39.the couple make their big issue. Robyn's surgery started when she was
:19:40. > :19:43.just five years old. I was nervous and I was worried, like hoping the
:19:44. > :19:47.operation went well. How did mum and dad explained what was going to
:19:48. > :19:53.happen? They definitely prepared me, but in a nice way, like calm and
:19:54. > :19:56.gentle. Didi you ever feel guilty? The first time she came out of the
:19:57. > :20:02.operation I stood there and wondered what have I done, never again. --
:20:03. > :20:08.did you ever feel guilty. These great big metal things on her. I
:20:09. > :20:12.didn't cope at all, did I? On the frames attached to Robyn's legs were
:20:13. > :20:16.eight screws which Jane had to turn slowly each day. It is not something
:20:17. > :20:19.you think each day as a mother you should be doing, you should be
:20:20. > :20:23.taking your daughter down to the beach, kicking a football outside,
:20:24. > :20:26.not sitting in here turning screws. What was the worst thing about
:20:27. > :20:31.having those on your legs? I couldn't swim and could not go to
:20:32. > :20:34.the beach. Over the next few years Robyn's legs were operated on a
:20:35. > :20:38.further three times and last year she had a final operation, this time
:20:39. > :20:42.to lengthen her arms. Her legs are now nine inches longer than they
:20:43. > :20:45.would have been and her arms to inches longer. Robyn is now four
:20:46. > :20:49.foot two and will grow even more during her teens. There is an
:20:50. > :20:55.argument that society should be more accommodating to show people. But
:20:56. > :20:59.Robyn illustrates the fact that having been made taller she can now
:21:00. > :21:04.reach like switches, see over shop counters and do many things she
:21:05. > :21:08.could not do before. She would come in and say, mum, guess what and I
:21:09. > :21:10.would say what has happened, and she would say I have just opened the
:21:11. > :21:15.fridge door. Little things that people take for granted. It is worth
:21:16. > :21:20.it. If you looked at me then and after it is a complete change. If
:21:21. > :21:25.she hadn't had surgery she would still have got on with her life, I'm
:21:26. > :21:29.sure. But we have opened up her opportunities and given her more
:21:30. > :21:39.independence. I don't regret it for a second. And I would do it all
:21:40. > :21:45.again. STUDIO: Well, Robyn is here. Jane and dad Simon. Nice of you to
:21:46. > :21:50.pop in. You have just started secondary school, Robyn, which is
:21:51. > :21:54.exciting, a big step. Do you think these operations have helped you
:21:55. > :21:59.settle a bit more? Yes, I fit in like everybody else. How different
:22:00. > :22:05.is big school to junior school? It is ten times bigger. Yes. And Simon,
:22:06. > :22:12.the idea was to get all of this done by the time Robyn went to secondary
:22:13. > :22:17.school, yes? Yes, we started at five. Jane and I pushed Robyn to
:22:18. > :22:23.keep cracking on with it so she would be completed, so when she
:22:24. > :22:28.started secondary school she would be completely uninterrupted in her
:22:29. > :22:35.education. How do your legs feel, and your arms? Do they feel quite
:22:36. > :22:38.strong? Sturdy? Yes. We know that you have done lots of sport and
:22:39. > :22:42.different activities and you mentioned swimming but you used to
:22:43. > :22:49.do a lot of gymnastics, didn't you? Yes. Jedinak and we know that you
:22:50. > :22:58.love Tumble? Is that right? Yes. Look at these photos. This is my
:22:59. > :23:00.favourite. My kind of gymnast. It is the final on Saturday and we have a
:23:01. > :23:09.special person to record a message for you. Hi, Robyn, it is Louis
:23:10. > :23:12.Smith here. I'm so sad I cannot meet you but we are rehearsing something
:23:13. > :23:16.special for the final on Saturday and that's why the bosses will not
:23:17. > :23:19.let me out. But I have got a gift and Aston Matt and Alex if they
:23:20. > :23:23.would give it to you. I heard you are a big gymnastics fan and enjoy
:23:24. > :23:27.the show so I would like to invite you to the grand final on Saturday.
:23:28. > :23:35.Keep enjoying it and I will see you there. -- I have asked Matt and
:23:36. > :23:41.Alex. Tickets to the grand final for you. And this is what Louis Smith
:23:42. > :23:49.was twirling. There we are, that is for you. Thank you. APPLAUSE
:23:50. > :23:55.See you on Saturday. That is on at 6pm on BBC1 on Saturday by the way.
:23:56. > :24:04.You are going to have a super time. Wonderful. Simon cannot wait for
:24:05. > :24:08.that! Anyway, we have heard about Cilla's early yesterday. Here's
:24:09. > :24:12.another incredible character from the 1960s. Sheridan, we think this
:24:13. > :24:20.could be your next film role. Let's see. On March 25 1992 21 black
:24:21. > :24:27.Daimler 's lead a funeral possession from Essex to London. Flowers on the
:24:28. > :24:31.side of the Hertz bore the catchphrase, gone shopping, but this
:24:32. > :24:36.was no society funeral with criminals like the Kray brothers
:24:37. > :24:42.sending their respects. She spent her career dressing like a film star
:24:43. > :24:45.and drinking only the finest champagne. But her lifestyle was
:24:46. > :24:49.paid for with dirty money and through her prolific shoplifting. In
:24:50. > :24:55.the gang lands of East London she was known as the Queen of thieves.
:24:56. > :24:59.Lorraine Gammon made audio recordings of some of their meetings
:25:00. > :25:05.before writing her biography. She was born in the 1930s into a crime
:25:06. > :25:09.family. Her father was a burglar. He was not a very successful burglar so
:25:10. > :25:16.he went to prison a lot. Even as a very small child, between three and
:25:17. > :25:19.five, she was sort of getting ready to steal. When Shirley was about
:25:20. > :25:22.seven or eight she had asked her mother for some milk, only to be
:25:23. > :25:26.told there was none and to go and find some for herself. She did just
:25:27. > :25:34.that taking her brother along to help. Just five years later Shirley
:25:35. > :25:37.met Alice Dimond, the original Queen of thieves. Under her tutelage she
:25:38. > :25:43.would become one of the most prolific shoplifter is the UK has
:25:44. > :25:47.ever seen. She was about six foot, this woman, the biggest woman you
:25:48. > :25:55.ever did see. And all diamond rings on her fingers and foxes round her
:25:56. > :26:02.neck. She says to me will this fit your brother and I said yes. She was
:26:03. > :26:11.putting loads of stuff down and then filled up the bag.
:26:12. > :26:19.She was not just involved in shoplifting, her brother was at bank
:26:20. > :26:22.robber. I found her a difficult person to understand because what
:26:23. > :26:27.she did is not something we could emulate but she was a really decent
:26:28. > :26:32.woman. And she did care for people. Eventually she became the new Alice
:26:33. > :26:36.Diamond, or the new queen of thieves. Queen or not, surely was
:26:37. > :26:42.sent to prison repeatedly. She decided it was time to employ new
:26:43. > :26:47.tactics. Surely realised that she had become known to the police as a
:26:48. > :26:50.professional shoplifter, and started dressing up in weeks and different
:26:51. > :27:03.outfits in order to avoid being recognised. -- wigs. She once had a
:27:04. > :27:07.close call, having realised she was spotted, her friend created a
:27:08. > :27:10.distracted and she got away by standing in the store window,
:27:11. > :27:16.standing still and posing as a mannequin until the coast was clear.
:27:17. > :27:23.She may have thought stealing furs and Jules was harmless but she was
:27:24. > :27:26.rubbing shoulders with murderous and gangsters. -- jewels. Her partner
:27:27. > :27:29.Chrissie Hawkins was violent at times and when he was it was the
:27:30. > :27:39.notorious Kray twins who turned up to sort things out. They really beat
:27:40. > :27:43.me up this week. I had a big black guy. Reggie and Ronnie jumped out
:27:44. > :27:50.and I thought people could have told them I was being bashed up. They
:27:51. > :27:54.said, have a cup of tea, and Ronnie was sitting in the kitchen with me
:27:55. > :27:57.and Reggie went in the bedroom and Chrissie was in bed. After that I
:27:58. > :28:04.threatened him with the Kray brothers. However, Shirley's
:28:05. > :28:07.relationship with Chrissie was not the only thing that took a toll on
:28:08. > :28:12.her. In one of the recordings she hints at the personal cost of what
:28:13. > :28:18.she saw as her job. I would come in and I would have a bath. Just like
:28:19. > :28:23.cleansing myself from what I was doing, do you know? Shirley Pitts
:28:24. > :28:29.may have dressed in diamonds and Chanel suits but her life of crime
:28:30. > :28:32.came at a cost. She spent her formative years in and out of
:28:33. > :28:39.prison, and much of her life looking over her shoulder. STUDIO: There you
:28:40. > :28:43.go. What about the next role as Shirley Pitts. Thank you for popping
:28:44. > :28:48.in and it's lovely to see you and Cilla starts next Monday on ITV.
:28:49. > :28:52.Tomorrow, Chris and Alex will be joined by Martin and Gary Kemp from
:28:53. > :28:55.Spandau Ballet. Goodbye. Have a nice evening.