:00:24. > :00:28.One Show with Alex Jones. And Dan Snow. Tonight, a family special.
:00:29. > :00:35.Anita is with a team-building two family homes in just one day. Dom is
:00:36. > :00:41.here to talk about how people who have been ripped off can get their
:00:42. > :00:44.money back. And we have an amazing story of surrogacy. It is
:00:45. > :00:49.complicated because the mother is also the grandmother and the sister
:00:50. > :00:54.is also the mum. Yes, we are confused as well. All this is
:00:55. > :00:58.perfect for tonight's guests. We are joined by three stars from the new
:00:59. > :01:09.BBC drama all about family relationships and the impending
:01:10. > :01:15.pressure is a new baby can bring. Are you seriously mental? I have to
:01:16. > :01:20.have this in by Friday. In case you have not noticed, I am pregnant! I
:01:21. > :01:26.have had to listen to your moronic music. And I have indigestion. I
:01:27. > :01:34.finally fall asleep and I am woken up by the chainsaw! Please welcome
:01:35. > :01:43.her mining Norris, Will Mellor and Tara Fitzgerald -- Hermione Norris.
:01:44. > :01:49.Good to have you with us. The second episode of In The Club is on tonight
:01:50. > :01:52.on BBC One. It is about a group of expectant mothers with different and
:01:53. > :02:02.complicated family situations. Hermione, tell us about your
:02:03. > :02:06.situation. I play Roanna who has left her unhappy marriage and has
:02:07. > :02:15.fallen in love with an artist and is about to have a baby. He is hot. I
:02:16. > :02:19.play Rick whose wife Diane is expecting miracle twins because they
:02:20. > :02:22.have lost babies before. He has lost his job and been lying to her
:02:23. > :02:28.because he did not want to stress the rout because she might lose the
:02:29. > :02:33.babies, so he robbed a bank. And now he is on the run. It is very
:02:34. > :02:37.intense. It is very intense, not funny. He has basically been lying
:02:38. > :02:45.to try and help her but he has made it worse. And I play Susie who is in
:02:46. > :02:51.a same-sex relationship with Kim. We are expecting a child with the same
:02:52. > :03:00.biological father as the child I had with him. If that makes sense. It
:03:01. > :03:03.does, perfectly. We will talk more about In The Club shortly. But
:03:04. > :03:07.first, the reason we have asked to those questions is because we have
:03:08. > :03:12.met a real-life family whose relationships are even more
:03:13. > :03:18.concentrated than that. Take a look at this. I am Jenny. 13
:03:19. > :03:24.years ago, I made the big decision to ask my daughter Ellen to carry
:03:25. > :03:28.child for me and my husband, Tony. I am Ellen. I made the big decision to
:03:29. > :03:33.carry my stepfather's child so he and mum could be a family. At first
:03:34. > :03:38.glance, this might look like an average family, but things are not
:03:39. > :03:45.quite that simple. I am Jenny. I am to Ellen, Derek, and also the twins
:03:46. > :03:52.Ruth and Alex. I'm Tony, Jenny's husband and Ellen and I are the
:03:53. > :03:59.biological parents of Alexandria. My mum is Ellen's mum as well but Ellen
:04:00. > :04:05.gave birth to us. Confused? Jenny was 45 when she met Tony who was 11
:04:06. > :04:10.years younger. They had a very memorable first date. We seemed to
:04:11. > :04:15.have done an awful lot more talking than eating. It was a lovely
:04:16. > :04:20.evening. If you could say it was love at first sight, it was. Tony
:04:21. > :04:23.wanted to marry Jenny but she explained she had two grown-up
:04:24. > :04:29.children and could not have any more. I wanted to spend the rest of
:04:30. > :04:34.my life with Jenny. If I could not have kids, that did not matter.
:04:35. > :04:39.Jenny still worried about not having children but the couple put it to
:04:40. > :04:43.the back of their minds and got married anyway. On the day of the
:04:44. > :04:48.marriage Ellen jokingly remarked that all we needed was some
:04:49. > :04:55.children. What started as a jokey remark ended up as a serious
:04:56. > :04:58.discussion. We talked about surrogacy and even adoption. They
:04:59. > :05:04.talked about surrogacy. I said, don't bother with someone else, I
:05:05. > :05:09.will do it. I said that is a lovely offer but we would not expect it of
:05:10. > :05:17.you. I said Ellen, that is very kind of you but it is not normal, is it?
:05:18. > :05:23.Normal or not, Ellen's offer was genuine. What did you feel? Their
:05:24. > :05:29.happiness. Did you feel squeamish about having a baby with your
:05:30. > :05:36.stepfather? I stipulated it had to be done at a clinic. Did you think,
:05:37. > :05:40.I have got a lovely husband and children and you did not want to
:05:41. > :05:47.push your luck? That sort of makes me sound a bit greedy and away, it
:05:48. > :05:51.was. I wanted to be a mother to Tony's children. After much
:05:52. > :05:56.soul-searching, the family made their big decision. Ellen would
:05:57. > :06:02.carry the baby and also use her own eggs. But the clinic would not allow
:06:03. > :06:05.it. They were worried about the psychological effects because I
:06:06. > :06:10.would not only be carrying the children but using my own egg is and
:06:11. > :06:14.that had not been done before. I think they thought Ellen might have
:06:15. > :06:19.difficulty giving up a child and perhaps I might become jealous. But
:06:20. > :06:23.this to me was the ideal solution. I may not have been their biological
:06:24. > :06:29.mother but I am the biological grandmother and that is the next
:06:30. > :06:35.best thing. The family then appealed and managed to reverse the clinic's
:06:36. > :06:41.decision. In 2001, Tony and Jenny paid more than ?9,000 for IVF
:06:42. > :06:44.treatment. It was twins that we were so elated. You already had a little
:06:45. > :06:50.girl so you knew what the process was of bonding with your baby. What
:06:51. > :06:58.did you do differently, if at all, this time? I detached myself. How
:06:59. > :07:04.did you do that? I can compartmentalise my emotions very
:07:05. > :07:10.well. The twins were handed straight to Tony and Jenny who have brought
:07:11. > :07:17.them up as mum and dad. Ellen and Maddie are around the corner. I do
:07:18. > :07:22.feel like a second mother. I explained that I am their money and
:07:23. > :07:28.Ellen is their tummy money and that is what they used to call her. My
:07:29. > :07:33.friends do not get it. They scratch their heads and say, can you say
:07:34. > :07:39.that again, please. We do feel like we had two mums. We are lucky. I
:07:40. > :07:45.cannot get over what a wonderful gift she has given us. I will always
:07:46. > :07:50.be grateful to Ellen until my dying day for this wonderful sacrifice she
:07:51. > :07:55.has given. An incredible story. A full on
:07:56. > :08:00.commitment but they seem happy. Let's go back to the drama. The
:08:01. > :08:05.second episode of In The Club is on tonight. Bring us up to speed. We
:08:06. > :08:09.know what has happened to you in your different families as far as
:08:10. > :08:14.your characters are concerned. Will, it was intense but in a good way. I
:08:15. > :08:20.have never been so depressed going to bed after watching a drama. It
:08:21. > :08:24.was quite heavy, it sits on you. One I first heard about it I thought, it
:08:25. > :08:29.is about pregnant women, what is it -- what is in it for a man but there
:08:30. > :08:33.is loads for men to watch this programme for. And the character of
:08:34. > :08:39.Rick. I wanted to play somebody who had to go to that place. He is a
:08:40. > :08:47.nice person, he just makes the wrong decision. But what ties all the
:08:48. > :08:50.characters is the antenatal class where they all meet. Yes, there are
:08:51. > :08:54.six couples and they all meet in a parent craft group and they all form
:08:55. > :08:59.relationships. It is how their lives intertwine and what happens in the
:09:00. > :09:10.build-up when you are expecting a baby. You filmed some pretty intense
:09:11. > :09:16.scenes, what is that like? Green of -- all of us were pretty nervous
:09:17. > :09:29.about filming the birth scenes. It is a long time to be delivering. My
:09:30. > :09:34.body hurt afterwards! I suppose you are tensing up so much. Last week,
:09:35. > :09:39.the 15-year-old character gave birth at one of the characters was with
:09:40. > :09:45.her. She is an incredible young actress. I thought she was smashing.
:09:46. > :09:50.It is an important subject we want to get across as well, because
:09:51. > :09:56.teenage pregnancy is rife at the moment. That was key's story about
:09:57. > :10:02.herself. My wife is eight months pregnant so it was a particularly
:10:03. > :10:07.timely drama. You have also got children. I haven't yet been tempted
:10:08. > :10:12.to rob a bank. Is this an example of art following life? It is not a
:10:13. > :10:15.great thing to do! That is the great thing about the character. He is
:10:16. > :10:17.that desperate. He is on the thing about the character. He is
:10:18. > :10:26.that desperate. He is on verge of a massive depression, he will lose his
:10:27. > :10:29.house and car and he cannot tell his wife because she might lose the
:10:30. > :10:32.babies. Is it something you could relate to? I was lucky enough that I
:10:33. > :10:35.was working and could look after my kids but there is no doubt that any
:10:36. > :10:39.man would do what it takes to look after your families. That is what
:10:40. > :10:46.kids do, they make you do silly things. It is a nice episode and the
:10:47. > :10:52.pressure really builds. I feel like I have let her down. The
:10:53. > :10:56.point I am making is you have got to make some allowances because their
:10:57. > :11:01.hormones are all over the place. I should have just told her I was made
:11:02. > :11:05.redundant. Yes, you should have but you did not tell her for the right
:11:06. > :11:13.reasons, mate. I hope it does not get worse. It
:11:14. > :11:19.does! Hold onto your seats. Tara, you said this was quite
:11:20. > :11:25.ground-breaking. As I understand it, it is the first time a same-sex,
:11:26. > :11:30.female same-sex relationship has been represented on TV in this way.
:11:31. > :11:36.I think that is a very interesting topic. And obviously, it is
:11:37. > :11:41.representative of the new modern families, as in the story we saw
:11:42. > :11:45.earlier. The ideas of families changing monthly, it seems to me and
:11:46. > :11:59.what is acceptable and what is expected. I think it is very
:12:00. > :12:06.exciting. Kay's brilliance is she can write in a very strong way and
:12:07. > :12:11.writes about communities. The fact that Kay Mellor has written it is
:12:12. > :12:19.very good. She brings warmth to every character she writes. I think
:12:20. > :12:25.Alex and I are worried that it gets darker. There is always the humour.
:12:26. > :12:29.Light with the shade. You can see the next episode of In The Club
:12:30. > :12:34.tonight on BBC One at 9pm. Dom is here. He will talk about how
:12:35. > :12:39.families can recoup money stolen by criminals. But first, Dan Donnelly
:12:40. > :12:44.has gone to meet two women who lost their life savings to a fraudster
:12:45. > :12:49.and now they want answers. We are told crime does not pay but
:12:50. > :12:55.every year, fraudsters are fleecing their victims out of a staggering
:12:56. > :12:59.?52 billion. And even when the law does catch up with them, criminals
:13:00. > :13:04.are finding even more ways to hide their cash. In fact, the National
:13:05. > :13:09.audit office says for every hundred pounds made by criminals, only this
:13:10. > :13:17.much, 26p, is clawed back by the authorities. That is money owed to
:13:18. > :13:23.victims like Susan and Eileen from Merseyside. They were both ripped
:13:24. > :13:28.off by this man, Malcolm Barber. With his business partner Terry
:13:29. > :13:30.Warrington, he took ?5 billion from 127 victims who all thought they
:13:31. > :13:34.were investing their life savings 127 victims who all thought they
:13:35. > :13:37.were investing their life into a low risk scheme. Have you seen any of
:13:38. > :13:49.your money? No, the capital has gone. 127 of us, ?5 million. And it
:13:50. > :13:55.has gone. Barber and Warrington were jailed this year but their victims
:13:56. > :13:59.are still waiting to find out if the con men will be forced to pay the
:14:00. > :14:05.money back. I would like everything stripped from him. If it is in his
:14:06. > :14:12.name, it is the proceeds of crime, as far as I am concerned. It should
:14:13. > :14:16.be divided up between the 127 people who have lost everything. What
:14:17. > :14:19.chance do Susan, Eileen and the other victims have of ever seeing
:14:20. > :14:26.their money again? The authorities do have the powers to confiscate
:14:27. > :14:30.criminals' assets, thanks to legislation called the Proceeds of
:14:31. > :14:34.Crime Act. Where courts have made confiscation orders, victims can be
:14:35. > :14:39.given money from the confiscated assets, if the police can ever find
:14:40. > :14:44.them. Criminals will do everything to make sure the ill gotten gains
:14:45. > :14:47.remain with them or their families or friends. We have investigators
:14:48. > :14:56.who are specially trained to identify this property. Titan is the
:14:57. > :15:01.police's north-west crime unit. It seized ?42 million of criminals'
:15:02. > :15:07.assets in the past five years. This ?85,000 of cash has just been
:15:08. > :15:12.seized. Now our brand Eileen are the next target. We will pursue them
:15:13. > :15:18.through the court. It is essential to me to make sure the criminals who
:15:19. > :15:23.benefit from this behaviour are left with nothing from this process. But
:15:24. > :15:29.even if a confiscation order is granted, getting hold of the money
:15:30. > :15:36.is far from guaranteed. While ?130 million was seized last year, that
:15:37. > :15:43.is still only 26p in every ?100 of criminals' cash. I am shocked at
:15:44. > :15:50.that. 26p? A crime is a crime, you pay back what you have stolen from
:15:51. > :15:53.the person, the whole lot. The likelihood is from those
:15:54. > :15:58.statistics, that money will stay with them. He will pick up where he
:15:59. > :16:03.left to a large degree and he has got a nice home to come home too. He
:16:04. > :16:07.will be in prison for two years and no doubt pick up the threads of his
:16:08. > :16:12.life again. Why have the criminals been able to run rings round the
:16:13. > :16:27.authorities? I am meeting the Home Office Minister for Organised Crime
:16:28. > :16:32.to find out what is going on. We aren't tightening the rules under
:16:33. > :16:36.the Serious Crime Bill which is going through Parliament at the
:16:37. > :16:47.moment to make sure we can get even more of the criminals 's money. We
:16:48. > :16:52.have collected ?746 million in assets since 2010. That is" is on
:16:53. > :17:02.the amount that was collected before. ?93 million has gone back to
:17:03. > :17:06.the victims again. That has too means seizing more than 26p in
:17:07. > :17:16.everyone hand pounds. -- that has to mean. It did give you some hope but
:17:17. > :17:23.that amount is sick. It is ridiculous. Absolutely.
:17:24. > :17:42.Why has so little been re-coop to? It is very scary. Doing a prison
:17:43. > :17:51.sentence for a hardened criminal is part and parcel of it. In England
:17:52. > :17:58.and Wales, 2012-2013,, 680,000 criminals were convicted. Less than
:17:59. > :18:05.1% actually had this served on them. Of the ones that were ?1000 or less,
:18:06. > :18:12.90% were enforced. As soon as it went to the big boys, that drop down
:18:13. > :18:20.to 18%. It is not being enforced as well as it should. What can the
:18:21. > :18:26.Government do about this? A lot of these people tried to dispose of
:18:27. > :18:31.assets or have tainted gifts, which are sold off very cheaply to loved
:18:32. > :18:33.ones or partners. They now say they will land lock you in the country
:18:34. > :18:41.and you cannot leave. That will limit the chances of you hiding
:18:42. > :18:44.assets or disposing of them abroad. They will increase the maximum
:18:45. > :18:51.sentence. This is for the big boys, from ten years to 14 years. This
:18:52. > :18:59.will all start happening next year. If you are served with this, and you
:19:00. > :19:05.get a ten-year stretch, you will serve every day of your sentence.
:19:06. > :19:12.You are not entitled to parole. If you manage to back while you are in
:19:13. > :19:17.prison, you might get a reduction in your sentence. When you come out of
:19:18. > :19:28.prison, that order will still be in force. A policeman can say, that is
:19:29. > :19:30.a nice watch, how much money do you have in your wallet? It is still in
:19:31. > :19:32.force. Well, George McGavin has been
:19:33. > :19:57.carrying out his own investigation, These 600 acres belong to the
:19:58. > :20:00.internationally important arboretum near Tetbury in Gloucestershire. It
:20:01. > :20:04.is one of the finest tree collections in the world, first
:20:05. > :20:07.planted in the 19th century. Each year the Forestry Commission
:20:08. > :20:13.conducts a survey of the 15,000 trees here. This year, an adult oak
:20:14. > :20:18.tree has been identified as under threat. The presence of fungus at
:20:19. > :20:23.the base of the trunk is evidence it has an infection eating away at its
:20:24. > :20:27.foundations. Its canopy is deteriorating and now it needs to be
:20:28. > :20:33.removed before it becomes unstable. It is sad to see a wonderful tree
:20:34. > :20:38.like this being felt. The situation does give me unprecedented access to
:20:39. > :20:45.explore the extraordinary ecosystem inside and out. This arboriculture
:20:46. > :20:52.is is here to test the tree with some very hi-tech gadgets. We have a
:20:53. > :20:58.drill to tell us how hard the wood is. It measures the density of the
:20:59. > :21:08.tree. The grass can automatically drop. Right here, just here. This is
:21:09. > :21:17.clear evidence decay has set in at the heart of the tree. Tree surgeons
:21:18. > :21:20.can do their work. The tree has been prepared and it should come down.
:21:21. > :21:33.Timber! Although the majority of the tree
:21:34. > :21:40.looks pretty sound, this fungus is beginning to creep up the hardwood.
:21:41. > :21:46.You can see how this is soft and hollow. Because of its size and
:21:47. > :21:53.integrity, an adult oak tree has been chosen -- shown to support 1500
:21:54. > :21:58.species of insects and spiders. To indicate what lives inside I am
:21:59. > :22:05.joined by a specialist in burrowing insects. How are you getting on?
:22:06. > :22:11.Very well. These are the feeding boroughs that are left by longhorned
:22:12. > :22:15.beetle larvae. The other big group that would be commonly found in this
:22:16. > :22:21.sort of situation are the bark beetles. They are much smaller. Just
:22:22. > :22:29.in this corner, one of them is... I can see the head peeking out. With
:22:30. > :22:35.the macro lens we are able to get a bug 's eye view. Now the tree has
:22:36. > :22:41.fallen, it allows me to dig up the soil and leaflet in a way I would
:22:42. > :22:46.not normally be able. I am collecting samples of moss, fungus
:22:47. > :22:50.and likings to examine an insect treasure trove. Although they are
:22:51. > :22:55.small, there are probably millions of individual insects and spiders on
:22:56. > :23:00.this tree. You have carnivores, herbivores and things are just eat
:23:01. > :23:05.decaying material. Centipedes are the apex hunters in this tiny
:23:06. > :23:09.underworld. This is a very aggressive carnival. It will
:23:10. > :23:17.basically eat anything in its path. This weevil is one of many species
:23:18. > :23:21.of her that are attacking the tree at any one time. Under the
:23:22. > :23:31.microscope, I find lots of insect larvae. This is larvae of the crane
:23:32. > :23:37.fly. They eat any decaying or organic material. We are scratching
:23:38. > :23:41.the surface of the myriad of organisms that make up the ecosystem
:23:42. > :23:45.on one single oak tree. To complete this remarkable cycle of death and
:23:46. > :23:50.decay, earthworms will eventually break down what is left, turning it
:23:51. > :23:55.back into rich, new soil. It has been a real thrill for me to have
:23:56. > :23:57.this opportunity to look at a remarkable habitat, to get the
:23:58. > :24:00.ecosystem on one single oak tree. To complete this remarkable cycle of
:24:01. > :24:02.death and decay, earthworms will eventually break down what is left,
:24:03. > :24:05.turning it back into rich, new soil. It has been a real thrill for me to
:24:06. > :24:08.have this opportunity to look at a remarkable habitat, to get a bug 's
:24:09. > :24:10.while our oak has fallen, the staff here will be planting acorns which
:24:11. > :24:13.will become the oak trees of tomorrow.
:24:14. > :24:17.She's been following the build of two family homes - erected
:24:18. > :24:30.It has been quite a challenge, to build these homes before the sun
:24:31. > :24:35.goes down. This is what the site looked like earlier. It is just the
:24:36. > :24:40.foundations there. It used to be a primary school and then it was
:24:41. > :24:45.derelict. They got ?5 million worth of development money. They called it
:24:46. > :24:50.innovation Way and came up with the idea of building these two homes as
:24:51. > :24:58.quickly as they could. They started unpacking boxes at 8am today. How on
:24:59. > :25:02.earth will lay do this? Not using the traditional method. Instead,
:25:03. > :25:06.they have these, giant timber frame already made a complete with
:25:07. > :25:11.installation, a window and there was even space for a front door. OK,
:25:12. > :25:17.boys, bring it in. By the end of today, a total of 44 panels will
:25:18. > :25:20.have been joined with meticulous precision to form two semidetached
:25:21. > :25:25.houses that will be completely watertight. Hello, John. A man with
:25:26. > :25:36.a plan, quite literally! How does what you have going on differ from
:25:37. > :25:40.traditional brick houses? The speed. Why is that important? It is the
:25:41. > :25:46.time taken to build on site that cost the money. They are engineered
:25:47. > :25:54.to be bolted on quite properly. Will that stapler really hold together a
:25:55. > :26:01.house? Yes, it will. There are only ten people, making a total of 54
:26:02. > :26:05.crane lifts, using 50,000 nails and ten bottles of blue dashed very
:26:06. > :26:15.strong glue. Then it would have to be, wouldn't it? -- bottles of glue
:26:16. > :26:19.- very strong glue. These people start at eight o'clock in the
:26:20. > :26:23.morning and by APM, you can have a house down and finished. You have
:26:24. > :26:27.local people working and developing it. It is a really good model. If we
:26:28. > :26:30.can get more and more places building in this way, it gives us a
:26:31. > :26:36.really big kick into the future to get on top of delivering the houses
:26:37. > :26:40.that people need and want. So far, so smooth. It is amazing to see how
:26:41. > :26:47.quickly these guys can put the homes together. There we go. The finishing
:26:48. > :26:55.touches. The only job they trusted me with. Boys, you did it! That's
:26:56. > :27:00.right, the sun has not gone down and the walls have been erected. The big
:27:01. > :27:08.boss is Alan Yates. I delighted? Sign the guys have done a great job.
:27:09. > :27:16.-- are you delighted? The guys have done a great job. Are they built to
:27:17. > :27:20.last? It is a suspension timber frame with loads of insulation from
:27:21. > :27:30.a product imported from Scandinavia which is well tried and tested. What
:27:31. > :27:40.is it like to live in one of these? Have you moved in? February. How is
:27:41. > :27:44.it? Lovely. It says a lot on my bills from my previous home. You
:27:45. > :28:01.moved in in February, have you had the heating on? No. Can you hear the
:28:02. > :28:05.neighbours? Not a peep. Just a few soft furnishings and good to go. I
:28:06. > :28:11.was looking forward to see what colour scheme they would go for but
:28:12. > :28:22.it is still impressive. I you any good at DIY? Rubbish. -- are you any
:28:23. > :28:26.good? I am determined to improve. I think Dan Snow would be very good at
:28:27. > :28:35.it. I tried to read instructions too much and it is awful. It is easier
:28:36. > :28:48.to knock things over will stop I think you will agree. I just break
:28:49. > :28:50.stuff. It is a good team. She does all the building. Thank you for
:28:51. > :28:57.coming into night. In The Club will be
:28:58. > :29:00.on this evening at 9pm on BBC One. Tomorrow, we'll be live from
:29:01. > :29:03.the Edinburgh Festival with a load of guests, including Paul Merton,
:29:04. > :29:05.Al Murray and Nancy Dell'Olio. And there will be some
:29:06. > :29:08.surprise performances too.