:00:18. > :00:22.Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker.
:00:22. > :00:28.Tonight's guests have the gift of the gab. One talks a lot of sense
:00:28. > :00:33.and the other just talks a lot. Luckily he's funny with it. It's
:00:33. > :00:39.comedian turned dancer Tim Vine and Woman's Hour's dame Jenni Murray!
:00:39. > :00:43.APPLAUSE You don't mean a turned a dancer,
:00:43. > :00:47.do you? Have you? By Saturday, you'll be more of a dancer than a
:00:47. > :00:52.comedian. My knees are just about holding out from the rehearsing.
:00:52. > :00:55.I'm trying to save a bit of cartilage for Saturday night.
:00:55. > :00:58.of the audience won't know you're talking part in Let's Dance for
:00:58. > :01:08.Comic Relief. You're opening the show, so no pressure. I don't think
:01:08. > :01:08.
:01:08. > :01:13.I am. Maybe they're keeping that a secret. I asked about that and I
:01:13. > :01:17.said, please don't put me on first. You've got me worried now. We know
:01:17. > :01:27.you have special moves up your sleeve judges by this high energy
:01:27. > :01:36.
:01:36. > :01:40.It's hard to do backwards and forwards like that. I've always
:01:40. > :01:45.fannied a go at. That how would you feel about bouncing around like
:01:45. > :01:47.that? Nothing's real any more. You get CGI in the films and then
:01:47. > :01:53.you're bouncing back-and-forth thanks to technology. There is no
:01:53. > :02:03.way! No way I would attempt something like. That I'm with you.
:02:03. > :02:04.
:02:04. > :02:08.I had my hips replaced a few years ago. I don't do that. Come on.
:02:08. > :02:12.say nothing's real there's this power list which has been announced.
:02:12. > :02:22.You kind of own this list. Were you slightly miffed that you couldn't
:02:22. > :02:23.
:02:23. > :02:27.be part of it? No.... Yes! Clearly, Jane Garvey, who is the other
:02:27. > :02:31.Woman's Hour presenter and I couldn't have been on it. Clare
:02:31. > :02:35.Balding is in there and she's had a dabble. She appears talking about
:02:35. > :02:38.sport. She's brilliant. You know, goodness, we needed somebody to
:02:38. > :02:45.really push women's sport because we don't get enough coverage by
:02:45. > :02:50.half. We'll talk more about that later on. There's a fantastic new
:02:50. > :02:55.series that's just started on BBC One called Penguins - Spy In The
:02:55. > :02:59.Huddle, where we see them as we never have before. They have
:02:59. > :03:04.waddled into the studio and we're going to be meeting the stars of
:03:04. > :03:13.the show later on and attempting our own version with no money, a
:03:13. > :03:18.cuddly toy and thankfully, a very friendly zoo. Tim, to be honest
:03:18. > :03:22.with you... That's like me dancing. Slightly quicker. It melts your
:03:22. > :03:25.heart. I don't know if you saw it, but it is absolutely incredible. It
:03:25. > :03:30.goes into incredible depth. When you see where they live, you
:03:30. > :03:35.realise it's only the tip of the iceberg. Very good! It worked a
:03:35. > :03:39.treat. Yes. As we know, Matt has tried but Tim here is the king of
:03:39. > :03:44.the one liners. If you think you can do better, send in your one
:03:44. > :03:48.liners to us and we'll read them out later. Tim will be judging them.
:03:48. > :03:53.I didn't know that either. We have got an hour. Make them good. Now
:03:53. > :03:59.the Prime Minister has promised the full intervention of the law will
:03:59. > :04:05.be brought to bear for anyone who has passed off horsemeat as beef.
:04:05. > :04:08.Labs carrying out DNA testing are working at full capacity.
:04:08. > :04:12.Beefburgers manufactured for British and Irish supermarkets have
:04:12. > :04:17.been found to contain traces of horsemeat... Products from Aldi,
:04:17. > :04:20.Lidl and Iceland are also affected. How much horse is in the food we
:04:20. > :04:24.eat? Around a thousand products are now being questioned by 28 local
:04:24. > :04:30.authorities across the UK. They're taking DNA samples from processed
:04:30. > :04:34.meat products. Do you do a general test for all kinds of DNA or do you
:04:34. > :04:38.have to be very specific about what you're looking for? If you wanted
:04:38. > :04:41.to find out everything that's say in a meat sample, you would be
:04:41. > :04:45.testing and testing and testing. The testing we're doing is specific
:04:46. > :04:50.to what you're looking for. That's the nature of DNA. If we were
:04:50. > :04:55.looking for horse, we wouldn't detect donkey, zebra or anything
:04:55. > :04:59.like. That it is that specific. DNA testing an expensive
:04:59. > :05:05.discipline? All these tests cost money and it's a question of who
:05:05. > :05:08.will pay. We're an official control laboratory. We generally act for
:05:08. > :05:13.enforcement bodies. The amount of testing going on in food
:05:13. > :05:16.enforcement is steadily declining. Really it's a Government issue.
:05:16. > :05:22.There's nothing illegal about flogging a dead horse as long as
:05:22. > :05:25.you know you're eelting it. -- eating it. It's the Food Standards
:05:25. > :05:31.Agency's job to ensure we have confidence in what we eat. We live
:05:31. > :05:36.in a time of budget cuts, is there enough money in the regulatory
:05:36. > :05:39.system for things like the FSA to do an adequate job to police what's
:05:39. > :05:44.going on? We give significant amounts of grants to local
:05:44. > :05:47.authorities to carry out samples. We have a grant programme. We've
:05:47. > :05:52.never run out of money in that programme. There's never been a
:05:52. > :05:57.time when a local authority has said, "We've got a worry about this
:05:57. > :06:00.and we'd like to test it." And then we've said we haven't got the money.
:06:00. > :06:04.There are huge pressures particularly on local authority
:06:04. > :06:08.colleagues, but this isn't a resource issue. It isn't a resource
:06:08. > :06:11.issue but it feels like a lot of the testing is reactive rather than
:06:11. > :06:15.proactive, as in responding to information that's coming in rather
:06:15. > :06:19.than the spot checks that could have picked up what's clearly been
:06:20. > :06:24.a chronic situation for quite a long time. At some level you could
:06:24. > :06:28.test 100% of products coming onto the market. In fact, we have
:06:28. > :06:32.required industry at the moment to check 100% of these kind of
:06:32. > :06:36.products, but on an ongoing basis that is going to drive a lot of
:06:36. > :06:41.cost in a time of austerity into the food chain. The British food
:06:41. > :06:47.industry likes to claim it has full traceability of the food chain.
:06:47. > :06:52.Does the consumer have reason to be confident that's the case? What we
:06:52. > :06:55.are seeing is the incredible complexity of what we call the food
:06:55. > :06:59.chain but is almost a food network. It is absolutely the responsibility
:06:59. > :07:02.of the food industry, who make their profits by selling us food
:07:02. > :07:06.products, to make sure those products are what they say on the
:07:06. > :07:10.label. And they have to get into a position where they are confident
:07:10. > :07:15.that the network or food chain they use to do that can be assured and
:07:15. > :07:20.controlled. Even one produbgtd purporting to be beef and
:07:20. > :07:24.containing a large amount of horse is completely unacceptable. Well,
:07:24. > :07:30.Jay is here along with Tony Luckhurst, a butcher who has been
:07:30. > :07:35.in the trade for 40 years. Doesn't seem so long. As that film suts,
:07:35. > :07:41.supermarkets spend a lot of money on testing but that Trading
:07:41. > :07:43.Standards should spent -- should spend more on spot tests.
:07:43. > :07:48.Environmental Health budgets and Trading Standards budgets have been
:07:49. > :07:51.cut by 32% in real terms. Last year the number of Environmental Health
:07:51. > :07:57.enforcement notices were down 15%. Whether they should spend on it or
:07:57. > :08:01.not, less is going into it. bods from the EU have been together.
:08:02. > :08:05.Yes there was a big meeting today. The EU Commissioner for health and
:08:05. > :08:11.consumer policy halls said this is fraudulent misuse of the labelling
:08:11. > :08:16.system, it's not a food safety issue. He's said it must not "harm
:08:16. > :08:24.the freedom of movement of goods across the EU". That's people
:08:24. > :08:26.talking about stopping the imports of food from Europe. And Norway has
:08:26. > :08:30.taken a bunch of Findus products off their shelves because they
:08:30. > :08:35.believe there may be horsemeat in them. Is the scandal good news for
:08:35. > :08:37.you as a butcher, have you seen a rise in customers? It's good news
:08:38. > :08:42.for us in the short-term. People are more keen to know where their
:08:42. > :08:45.meat is coming from. They can come to their local butcher and trust us.
:08:45. > :08:49.We have a short supply chain. There's only three people involved,
:08:49. > :08:54.including myself, in the supply of meat to us. Generally it's not good
:08:54. > :09:02.news for the food or the meat trade. Can you just explain then where you
:09:02. > :09:07.get your meat from. This week we've got beef from John and Steve within
:09:07. > :09:12.whitby in Buckinghamshire. The meat goes to the abattoir and comes to
:09:12. > :09:16.us. It's quite simple, very basic system. You can absolutely
:09:16. > :09:20.guarantee where your meat is from? Every piece of meat has a passport
:09:20. > :09:23.wh. It comes into the shop, we recognise it for what it is,
:09:23. > :09:28.because we're skilled craftsmen. What about the people who say we
:09:28. > :09:32.can't afford to buy from a local butcher. I would say apart from
:09:32. > :09:37.coming to my shop, where we are keen on price, shop around. Find
:09:37. > :09:42.somebody to trust and it's really not that expensive. What about you
:09:42. > :09:45.two, has this changed your attitude towards what you'd buy in a
:09:45. > :09:52.supermarket? We've got a very good local butcher. We know exactly
:09:52. > :09:56.where his meat comes from. Yes, we have. Oh, not you and me. No, at
:09:56. > :10:03.home. I'm sorry. I'm sure, I know I've eaten horse because I lived in
:10:03. > :10:07.Paris for a year whi was a student. The French eat horse a lot. It
:10:07. > :10:12.didn't really worry me too much. But what I worry about is not
:10:12. > :10:18.knowing what's in it. And whether there are any veterinary drugs in
:10:18. > :10:23.those horses. I have a question, are there more cows in this country
:10:23. > :10:28.than horses? I would say definitely. If we ate horses it would be more
:10:28. > :10:32.of a delicacy wouldn't St t? necessarily because we have a thing
:10:32. > :10:37.about eating domestic animals that we use. It's because it's domestic.
:10:37. > :10:42.If you know what you're eating there isn't so much of an issue. Is
:10:42. > :10:46.there a case for saying these are the ingredients of this spag bol or
:10:46. > :10:51.lasagne, you make up your mind. If you want to eat a bit of horse.
:10:51. > :10:57.Down-the-line we may have a debate about what's in our food. Now we
:10:57. > :11:00.have a lot of consumers with a right to expect big brand names
:11:00. > :11:04.putting in their food what they thought they were putting in their
:11:04. > :11:08.food. We know how tight money is and they've gone in thinking they
:11:08. > :11:12.were getting deals and the fact is that those big retailers have let
:11:12. > :11:17.them down by pushing margins so tightly that corners have been cut.
:11:17. > :11:22.I have to say we tried to call, contact lots of retailers to talk
:11:22. > :11:25.us, we contacted a dozen different organisations and none would give a
:11:25. > :11:29.face-to-face interview. It comes down to education. You can go to a
:11:29. > :11:33.butcher and say I have this budget, what can you give me for that and
:11:33. > :11:40.you can help everybody. Don't be scared of us. We're nice guys.
:11:40. > :11:46.We'll cut it there in front of you. If you chop a horse in half and
:11:46. > :11:50.bang the two sides together, it's like somebody riding a coconut.
:11:50. > :11:56.Morrisons did agree to talk to us, but we didn't have the chance to
:11:56. > :12:00.get them on the air. It could be argued there's never
:12:00. > :12:04.been a better time to go vegetarian and Jay's back later with the story
:12:04. > :12:08.of a whole football club that's turned its back on meat. This week
:12:08. > :12:11.a fantastic new series started on the BBC taking a unique look at the
:12:11. > :12:17.life of penguins all around the world. We got to see the creatures
:12:17. > :12:22.in a way we've never seen them before thanks to mini cameras
:12:22. > :12:25.hidden inside dummy penguins and their eggs. The chicks can no
:12:25. > :12:35.longer squeeze into their mother's pouch, even the experts can end
:12:35. > :12:43.
:12:43. > :12:53.upped in trouble. -- end up in No-one can bathe in piece for more
:12:53. > :13:06.
:13:06. > :13:14.It rolls like one too. With egg cam finally in his claws,
:13:14. > :13:18.he does what comes naturally. He takes it into the air.
:13:18. > :13:24.Egg cam captured the first aerial of a penguin colony shot by a
:13:24. > :13:32.flying bird. Then it slips from his grasp. Immediately, it catches the
:13:32. > :13:42.eye of a Turkey vulture. The game continues with different
:13:42. > :13:44.
:13:44. > :13:49.Finally, egg cam is back in the rock hopper colony.
:13:49. > :13:56.We're joined by the producer of the show John Downer and cameraman Jeff
:13:56. > :14:02.Bell. They are lovely close up. Whuelz idea was it then? Whose idea
:14:02. > :14:06.was it? It was the team. Every time we do a spy film, we've made eight
:14:06. > :14:10.now. We have to come up with a way to get closer to the animals. Every
:14:11. > :14:15.species is different. When we came up with the idea of penguins, we
:14:15. > :14:18.thought how do we get into the penguin colony. We first came up
:14:18. > :14:22.with this idea where we could actually have a penguin which was
:14:22. > :14:26.taking the filming and could walk slowly around in the colony. This
:14:26. > :14:31.the first time you've made a robotic animal. Yes, up till then
:14:31. > :14:35.it was a rock or iceberg or something or other. But this was
:14:35. > :14:41.actually going further than we'd been before. Geoff are you seen as
:14:41. > :14:44.a cameraman or an expert as using remote control aeroplanes and cars?
:14:44. > :14:50.For about 50 years I've been modelling and this is an extension
:14:50. > :15:00.now. How did the penguins, the real ones, react when you placed the
:15:00. > :15:04.
:15:04. > :15:09.Well, we hoped it would work, but we did not expect that they would
:15:10. > :15:16.be so convinced by them, that we even had one trying to court the
:15:16. > :15:23.egg cam. That kind of level of acceptance in the colony, we were
:15:23. > :15:30.not expecting, but it allowed some spectacular footage. And how did
:15:30. > :15:35.you get that footage? There is a radio picture coming back, but we
:15:35. > :15:40.also record on board. It is not just penguin cams, but a lot of the
:15:40. > :15:47.work is done by them. Some go under water as well. What did you find
:15:47. > :15:53.out about penguins that we do not already know? Don Cowie always
:15:53. > :15:56.think of them standing around in a group. Because we have filmed so
:15:56. > :16:02.much, filming from the moment they come out of the water until the
:16:02. > :16:08.chicks go back in, we've really got into their lives. People see them
:16:08. > :16:11.as like us, because they look like us, they walk. But once you get in
:16:11. > :16:18.their lives, you see they have got an emotional side which we can
:16:18. > :16:21.really relate to. Again, that went further than we had anticipated.
:16:21. > :16:24.Although you have done these different series with different
:16:24. > :16:28.morals, the penguins have turned out to be your favourite? That's
:16:28. > :16:31.right. You always say your favourite is what you are working
:16:31. > :16:41.on, but these have really excelled themselves. They are absolutely
:16:41. > :16:47.adorable. So, you have got this egg cam - how many of these did you
:16:47. > :16:51.make? We had 10 in every colony, and we filmed three different types
:16:51. > :16:58.of penguins. Then we had problems because birds would come along and
:16:58. > :17:02.take them and carry them in the air. This was unbelievable. Obviously
:17:02. > :17:10.they thought they were in for a treat. We lost quite a few which
:17:10. > :17:16.were taken out to sea. Fortunately, in this sequence, we actually got
:17:16. > :17:20.the egg cam back. I think we can confidently say, this is the first
:17:20. > :17:30.aerial view taken by a bird. you imagine the producers sitting
:17:30. > :17:35.
:17:35. > :17:42.around discussing this? Look at that! It is amazing. Yes, this was
:17:42. > :17:50.a bird doing its own filming. that was a crane shot, it would
:17:50. > :17:55.have been great! What is next, Jeff? I cannot say, he would shoot
:17:55. > :18:00.me. But we are on another secret project. We are doing dolphins, but
:18:00. > :18:05.we cannot talk about what we are doing. But again, we will be right
:18:05. > :18:11.in there, like you have never seen. That will be going out at Christmas.
:18:11. > :18:15.This one is Monday nights, isn't it? Yes. I never thought I would be
:18:15. > :18:22.so emotional about penguins, but when that single penguin, trying to
:18:22. > :18:27.find its... Oh, it is very sad. spent literally, well, several
:18:27. > :18:33.minutes, trying to come up with our very own version of your wonderful
:18:33. > :18:42.penguin cam, and we have set it up at Colchester Zoo, where we can
:18:42. > :18:46.join Lucy at the moment. Yes, these are some 18 penguins in here. We
:18:46. > :18:51.wanted to push the boundaries of science and national history --
:18:51. > :18:55.natural history, so we have come up with our own penguin cam. It is not
:18:55. > :19:00.universally popular with the residents in here. They have
:19:00. > :19:09.attacked it a few times, but we will see how they get on later. One
:19:09. > :19:13.of the early prototypes! I am just wondering why we did not use it!
:19:13. > :19:17.Back in 1962, an underground army was mobilised across the UK to
:19:17. > :19:25.prepare for the worst, as Russia and America squared up in the Cuban
:19:25. > :19:28.missile crisis. Marty Jopson tells the story. In 1962, the Cuban
:19:28. > :19:30.missile crisis brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. In the
:19:30. > :19:34.the brink of nuclear war. In the event of the unthinkable, Britain
:19:34. > :19:40.would have been a target for nuclear weapons, but we were
:19:40. > :19:43.prepared. As this training film from 1962 illustrates, once the
:19:43. > :19:46.Government would have taken control of the country from large bunkers
:19:46. > :19:52.like this, and then they would have been reliant on information fed to
:19:52. > :19:59.them from the front line. A little- known network of some 1,500
:19:59. > :20:02.monitoring posts, dotted across the country. Should a nuclear attack
:20:02. > :20:08.had been it didn't, each one of these would have been manned by
:20:08. > :20:12.three or four part-time civilian volunteers -- imminent -- of the
:20:12. > :20:18.Royal Observer Corps. Over 15,000 of them signed up to leave their
:20:18. > :20:21.families behind and go down the hatch, if nuclear war was imminent.
:20:21. > :20:26.There was always some speculation as to how many people would
:20:26. > :20:29.actually turn up. I would like to think, because we were a
:20:29. > :20:38.disciplined, uniformed body, that the majority of people would have
:20:38. > :20:41.turned up for duty. And by using the same type of bunkers and
:20:41. > :20:47.equipment featured in a training film, we are going to find out just
:20:47. > :20:52.what that duty would have entailed. After first using this device like
:20:53. > :20:56.this, using the telephone wires to connect this bunker to group
:20:56. > :21:05.control and all of the nearby bunkers, the crew down here would
:21:05. > :21:09.immediately turn to this device. This is the bomb power indicator,
:21:09. > :21:15.which gives you a measure of the air pressure change caused by the
:21:15. > :21:19.blast. Next, one crew member would have gone to collect a bleeding
:21:19. > :21:23.from the Ground Zero indicator, a device which records the strength
:21:23. > :21:27.and direction of the blast onto photographic paper. Lawrence Holmes
:21:27. > :21:32.has brought one of the very pieces of paper used. In the absence of a
:21:32. > :21:37.nuclear blast, we are using a photographer's flashgun instead.
:21:37. > :21:44.And we are firing at 400 times, to try and match the brightness of
:21:44. > :21:48.just one nuclear blast. Here we go. If I take the photographic paper
:21:48. > :21:52.out, there it is. That's what a bomb blast would look like. The
:21:52. > :21:59.position of the mark on the Grid revealed that bearing and height of
:21:59. > :22:03.the blast. But with the telephone line now is can they tick, -- now
:22:03. > :22:13.disconnected, we are resorting to the modern equivalent to relay the
:22:13. > :22:16.
:22:16. > :22:19.information up the command chain. Clear. Here at group control, Brian
:22:19. > :22:27.would have received these types of reports from many of the monitoring
:22:27. > :22:34.posts under his command. What was all but about? That was to allow us
:22:34. > :22:40.to use this instrument here, to draw a line of the right bearing.
:22:40. > :22:44.We would then do that on other posts, and on the third one, we
:22:44. > :22:48.would get the Ground Zero of the bomb. With the Ground Zero located,
:22:48. > :22:51.the direction of radioactive fall- out could then be predicted, and
:22:51. > :22:58.the public could be warned by the Observer's back in their monitoring
:22:58. > :23:07.posts. Thankfully, Lawrence Holmes never had to set off the alarm. In
:23:07. > :23:10.training, they only used dummies, but not this time. Go for it.
:23:10. > :23:15.The Royal Observer Corps was stood down in the 1990s, and never needed
:23:15. > :23:21.to fire this warning signal. Today, only a handful of the bunkers
:23:21. > :23:28.remain intact. I never heard that before. It is difficult to imagine
:23:28. > :23:31.a contemporary Volunteer Force with such responsibility. There could be
:23:31. > :23:35.company directors, plumbers, farmers, once we put that uniform
:23:35. > :23:38.on, we were members of the Royal Observer Corps. Those who were
:23:38. > :23:43.prepared to leave their families behind in the hope of contributing
:23:43. > :23:48.to the survival of at least some of the British population. It was the
:23:48. > :23:52.best way and I could find to help my family in those circumstances.
:23:52. > :23:58.After seeing these volunteers reliving the roles they might have
:23:58. > :24:06.played, it is sobering to realise how real that threat was, and how
:24:06. > :24:09.we were forced to prepare for the worst. Well, thanks, Marty Jopson.
:24:09. > :24:16.In the 1960s, there was a lot of paranoia about a possible nuclear
:24:16. > :24:21.fall-out. I was 12, in 1962, and I can remember kneeling by the side
:24:21. > :24:25.of my bed, alongside my mother, saying, please God, do not let Mr
:24:25. > :24:31.Khrushchev blow us away. We were really, really frightened about it.
:24:31. > :24:35.People were talking about what you would do if a nuclear bomb came.
:24:35. > :24:42.You would put sandbags in front of the house. Pretty sure that would
:24:42. > :24:45.not work. You would use what you had a round. That was the advice,
:24:45. > :24:49.hide under the table. My dad said something very rude about putting
:24:49. > :24:55.your head between your knees. Thankfully it is not something we
:24:56. > :25:00.have to worry about these days. As we said at the top of the show,
:25:00. > :25:05.Woman's Hour revealed its poll of the 100 most powerful women in the
:25:05. > :25:11.country. The Queen was a late entry, we were surprised to find out...
:25:11. > :25:18.The panel, who judged it, were trying to think, does she have real
:25:18. > :25:22.power? They debated it and they debated it, real power, does she
:25:22. > :25:27.actually really influence what happens in this country? And in the
:25:27. > :25:31.end, they decided, yes, if you meet the Prime Minister every week, you
:25:31. > :25:35.know exactly what is going on. And what I loved about the fact that
:25:35. > :25:39.she was there, as you get older, you start to look at what life is
:25:39. > :25:46.going to be like when you get really quite old, and there is the
:25:46. > :25:54.Queen at 86, and I have met her a couple of times, and she is amazing.
:25:54. > :26:00.When you watched her on the river, doing the Jubilee, just standing
:26:00. > :26:07.there, and it gives us all hope. 86, she can cope with that. It is that
:26:07. > :26:12.interesting thing about how you define power. It is a difficult one.
:26:12. > :26:19.I think what the panel in the end went for was what they called Hard
:26:19. > :26:24.power, rather than soft power. Theresa May is number two, the Home
:26:24. > :26:29.Secretary, she clearly has power over people's lives. And then, I
:26:29. > :26:34.have got a list, thank goodness, to remind me. Otherwise I would not
:26:34. > :26:40.have remembered all of them! But you know, the chief executive of
:26:40. > :26:45.Santander, a very successful bank, Ana Botin, she is third on the list.
:26:45. > :26:48.And then we have got judges... What is really encouraging about it is
:26:48. > :26:54.that there are a lot of very powerful women now in this country.
:26:54. > :26:59.Not enough, I might say, we have to remember still that Members of
:26:59. > :27:03.Parliament are outnumbered four men to one woman, still. So, we can do
:27:03. > :27:08.better. And the interesting thing is, you were talking about soft
:27:08. > :27:11.power, because of course we have got the comedian Sarah Millican,
:27:11. > :27:14.people like Adele, but I was surprised that the Duchess of
:27:14. > :27:20.Cambridge did not fall into that bracket, because a lot of women
:27:20. > :27:23.will see her as very influential, and has a great role model. I think
:27:23. > :27:28.that caused a lot of debate for the panel as well - should she be
:27:28. > :27:33.included? The conclusion was that she is new to the job, she is very
:27:33. > :27:40.young, she needs more experience. I'm sure in another four or five
:27:41. > :27:43.years' time, yes. Is this going to be done every year? I hope so,
:27:43. > :27:51.because it is really interesting. It makes you wonder why it has not
:27:51. > :27:55.been done before. I know, why did we not think that before? Who was
:27:55. > :28:01.your role model, Tim? I used to like Elvis Presley when I was
:28:02. > :28:06.growing up. Does that count? does. He has always been my hero.
:28:06. > :28:11.Is that a clue as to what you're doing on Saturday night? I am not
:28:11. > :28:17.doing Elvis Presley. But that would be inside my comfort zone. It
:28:17. > :28:21.turned out they could not use the moves which I liked in any dance.
:28:21. > :28:27.Our next guest used to be a policeman. We want you to try and
:28:27. > :28:35.work out from this line-up who it could possibly be. A clue, he also
:28:35. > :28:45.played rugby for England. And also, he was Hagrid's double in the Harry
:28:45. > :28:46.
:28:46. > :28:56.Potter films. And so we go! And he has been on a case for us about the
:28:56. > :28:58.
:28:58. > :29:04.unique prints left at crime scenes, but not from fingers...
:29:05. > :29:09.The force of a bullet can destroy anything in its path - very often,
:29:09. > :29:12.the bullet itself. Scientists are now able to detect the smallest
:29:12. > :29:16.clues from ammunition recovered from the scene of a crime. When a
:29:16. > :29:22.gun is fired, the bullet is scored with a unique pattern, one which
:29:22. > :29:23.will only matched the gun it came from. Here at the National
:29:23. > :29:29.Ballistics Intelligence Service, these patterns can be matched with
:29:29. > :29:35.precision. Take two identical hand guns, both made in the same factory,
:29:35. > :29:38.but can they tell them apart? A bit of a Mexican stand-off here,
:29:38. > :29:44.fortunately they are not loaded, but to me, these look identical.
:29:44. > :29:50.But you can tell the difference? How do you do that? When the guns
:29:50. > :29:53.are manufactured, there are unique markings left on them. They are
:29:53. > :30:00.identical in every respect to the naked eye, but when we test fired
:30:00. > :30:04.the bullets, you can see differences. To make sure the
:30:04. > :30:09.Bullets stay intact, they are fired into water, slowing them down. Both
:30:09. > :30:17.looked identical to me, but under a high-powered microscope, minute
:30:17. > :30:22.differences are revealed. I can see the images of each bullet... If you
:30:22. > :30:28.focus that one on the right, you can see they are quite considerably
:30:28. > :30:34.different. Even me with my Grade C in physics O-level, I can see they
:30:34. > :30:41.are different. But how would two bullets from the same gun compare?
:30:41. > :30:46.So, this is fired from the same weapon. That is leaping out of the
:30:46. > :30:51.screen, that it is a match. Just like matching fingerprints, his
:30:51. > :30:55.ability to link bullets enables the police to see if a gun has been
:30:55. > :31:00.used before. They can even trace a weapon back to its original buyer.
:31:00. > :31:05.Liverpool, 2010. Police received intelligence that illegal guns were
:31:05. > :31:15.for sale in the area. Under cover, they were able to obtain three
:31:15. > :31:20.
:31:20. > :31:27.clock hand guns, but had no idea They originated in America. The
:31:27. > :31:33.Americans started an investigation. Enster Steven Greenhoe, eczema reen
:31:33. > :31:37.and supposedly a former bodyguard to top Hollywood stars. He was
:31:37. > :31:41.buying guns over the counter, dismantling them and smuggling the
:31:41. > :31:44.parts into the UK in his suitcase. When detectives followed him in the
:31:44. > :31:53.US, they were led to a landfill site, where they made a crucial
:31:53. > :31:56.discovery. The former bodyguard had been dumping empty gun cases and
:31:56. > :32:02.vital clues, spent ammunition from the guns he had sold. These rounds
:32:02. > :32:06.from America were scanned into the UK's database. After months of
:32:06. > :32:10.meticulous detective work they had a major breakthrough. Bullets found
:32:10. > :32:15.at a drive-by shooting in this area of Manchester matched one of the
:32:15. > :32:18.rounds from the US landfill. It was starting to find more evidence of
:32:18. > :32:21.the guns. The fact this we have a number of bullets that the
:32:21. > :32:26.Americans have recovered for us and it's on that national database
:32:26. > :32:30.gives us the ability to match those guns. Greenhoe was arrested and
:32:30. > :32:34.found with a new Arsenal destined for Britain. He's been jailed for
:32:34. > :32:38.ten years. Police believe 50 of his guns are still somewhere in the UK.
:32:38. > :32:42.What's more, some of them have been used several times. We've seen one
:32:42. > :32:47.of those weapons used 11 times. times, what are the chances that
:32:47. > :32:52.it's one person using that gun 11 times or is it being shared around?
:32:52. > :32:56.Weons we know are passed around. Sometimes they're even rented. This
:32:56. > :33:03.system here is closing the net in on those rogue weapons that are out
:33:03. > :33:07.there. You're starting to see where they're used. You're building a
:33:07. > :33:11.hard intelligence picture of what's out there. With every shooting the
:33:11. > :33:15.database is updated making new links with guns and ultimately
:33:15. > :33:20.helping to reduce the number of firearms on our streets.
:33:20. > :33:24.Martin, it's fascinating stuff that they're doing there. You talk about
:33:24. > :33:31.closing the net. What effect is it having on British gun crime? It had
:33:31. > :33:35.an immediate effect in its first year. It was linked to 350 crimes
:33:35. > :33:39.linking guns to specific crimes. Since 2005 gun crime has dropped by
:33:39. > :33:46.45%. Last year it dropped by 16%. What's crucial, talking about
:33:46. > :33:51.Greenhoe from America, is that it's also cutting out the armers. We're
:33:51. > :33:55.not awash with guns as the US is. But there's an Arsenal of guns
:33:55. > :33:59.which is being handed around, rented out and used. By being able
:33:59. > :34:02.to match ballistics with the weapons they can make a direct
:34:03. > :34:07.match or have a record which will sit there and wait to come in again.
:34:07. > :34:12.What they had in the past, it had to be a Freedom of Information Act,
:34:12. > :34:16.application to get that stuff. Now police forces around the world can
:34:16. > :34:22.log into this database and get the information they need. It's crucial.
:34:22. > :34:26.And you're a reporter now on Crimewatch. I am. How has that
:34:26. > :34:29.changed your perspective on crime compared to when you were on the
:34:29. > :34:34.force in Bedfordshire. It's 18 years since I was a police officer.
:34:34. > :34:37.The police has changed enormously. Technology is the biggest change.
:34:37. > :34:42.What it reinforces is the basic attitude of the officer is the same
:34:42. > :34:46.- they are passionate about their job. They want to get the job done.
:34:46. > :34:49.Whether it's a simple crime, just helping a member of the public or a
:34:49. > :34:54.major investigation, the police officers really take ownership of
:34:54. > :34:57.it. What I've noticed with the detectives we're talking to on
:34:57. > :35:02.Crimewatch is that they live the crime. They want to make sure that
:35:02. > :35:06.the man is caught, the criminal is caught, the people are looked after.
:35:06. > :35:09.But also, there is this incredible team spirit, this bond, that will
:35:09. > :35:13.never change. Whether it's the police force from 100 years ago or
:35:14. > :35:17.today. The bond amongst the officers is huge. Does it make it
:35:17. > :35:20.easier to do the job because you used to be in the force? I think so.
:35:20. > :35:24.It gives me a certain amount of credibility. I know what they're
:35:24. > :35:28.trying to do. I can understand what they're trying to do. I have huge
:35:28. > :35:33.respect for them. It's a difficult job. Have you solved more crimes on
:35:33. > :35:37.Crimewatch than when you were an officer? We had an embarrassing
:35:37. > :35:41.situation in 1995, we were in South Africa on the World Cup. My
:35:41. > :35:44.colleagues at the police station got old of a promotional cardboard
:35:44. > :35:48.cut out of me and put me behind my desk in the police station and let
:35:48. > :35:53.me know in the six weeks of the World Cup this cardboard cut out
:35:53. > :36:00.did more police work than I'd done. I'm presuming it was actual size as
:36:00. > :36:07.well. How tall are you? 6'10". are an salute unit, aren't you?
:36:07. > :36:12.Absolutely massive. And standing up? Bless you. ( Sorry, how did
:36:12. > :36:16.they let you off from the force to play rugby? They were very good,
:36:16. > :36:25.hugely supportive of me. I was an amateur playing rugby for England.
:36:25. > :36:31.They pulled my leg a bit. I applied for leave to go on a Lions tour and
:36:31. > :36:37.they gave me two days. I needed more as it was an eight-week tour.
:36:37. > :36:41.It's rugby. Relove rugby. We had Matt Dawson on last night talking
:36:41. > :36:48.about the Six Nations. Did you have to give him a booster seat?
:36:48. > :36:51.Crimewatch is tomorrow on BBC One. Our penguin friend are nimble under
:36:51. > :36:56.water but they're no match for these creatures found in British
:36:56. > :37:05.waters. In British waters and throughout
:37:05. > :37:10.the world's oceans, cephalapods are the Top Gun pilots of the sea. When
:37:10. > :37:18.they feel the need for speed, they move using jet propulsion and
:37:18. > :37:22.whilst jet engines use air to achieve thust, they use water. It's
:37:22. > :37:25.an efficient system. Some of these creatures can rocket to 25mph
:37:25. > :37:30.directing themselves with incredible precision, controlling
:37:30. > :37:33.the thrust and speed of their jet power. And to see the system for
:37:33. > :37:40.myself I've come to Bristol myself I've come to Bristol
:37:40. > :37:44.aquarium at feeding time.. Curator Dan has worked here for the past
:37:44. > :37:54.three years and over this time he's been looking after their giant
:37:54. > :38:02.
:38:02. > :38:10.That's really strange. Bizarre. It's so powerful. Each one is
:38:10. > :38:14.completely independent in terms of nerves. That's the jet propulsion,
:38:14. > :38:22.is it? Getting my free showers is all down to its ability to be able
:38:22. > :38:27.to suck water in and then push it out. They draw water into their
:38:27. > :38:32.bodies through the sides of their mantle, this huge flap of skin that
:38:32. > :38:39.covers their heads. That's full of muscles too. Once they draw in the
:38:39. > :38:44.water through the sides it goes through their gills. Then it
:38:44. > :38:50.propels themselves by forcing that water really fast through their
:38:50. > :38:54.siphon. They can move up to 20mph in a very short period. Obviously a
:38:54. > :39:00.very powerful body, powerful muscles to propel himself at that
:39:00. > :39:05.speed. It's amazing. He isn't the only turbo-charged creature of the
:39:05. > :39:09.sea. Squid are the squadron leaders of this world. They can travel up
:39:09. > :39:14.to 25mph and some can use their jet propulsion to fly out of the sea,
:39:14. > :39:19.thought to be a nifty trick to escape predators. But they're not
:39:19. > :39:24.the only one that's can experience this. We can also get to feel that
:39:24. > :39:28.power of jet propulsion using water. I'm not quite sure what I'm letting
:39:28. > :39:34.myself in for. We're at the national dive centre outside
:39:34. > :39:44.Chepstow to try out a new bit of kid that mimics the jet propulsion
:39:44. > :39:46.
:39:47. > :39:51.these creatures use to get about. This is the kit. How does it work?
:39:51. > :39:55.The jet ski sucks up the water, pumps it up this tube and it comes
:39:55. > :40:01.out these pipes here by your feet. Basically it's like having jet
:40:01. > :40:07.boots. The water is forced through the Tube in the same way as the
:40:07. > :40:11.octopus forcing water out through its siphon. Platform shoes - this
:40:11. > :40:16.is going a bit too far. There will be around 60 litres of water
:40:16. > :40:22.pumping from the jet every second, creating a huge amount of
:40:22. > :40:28.propulsion I'm going to have to control. It takes about ten minutes
:40:28. > :40:33.for me to gain some sort of control. It's like being in a James Bond
:40:33. > :40:39.movie, rising out of the water. What's amazing is how sensitive the
:40:39. > :40:44.jets are. You can make tiny movements with your feet to control
:40:44. > :40:47.collection in much the same way octopus use their siphon. Their
:40:47. > :40:54.version is more elegant and controlled than mine. But then
:40:54. > :41:00.they've had years of evolution, and practise.
:41:00. > :41:04.I would love a go at. That As me. Would you fancy a go? I'd love to.
:41:04. > :41:08.I hope my sons weren't watching because they'll want them. That
:41:08. > :41:11.would be an expensive present. Earlier we saw some of the spy
:41:11. > :41:15.cameras that were used in the brilliant new BBC series Penguins -
:41:15. > :41:21.Spy In The Huddle. We have put together our own version of the spy
:41:21. > :41:26.cameras to spy on the penguins of Colchester Zoo. It's perfect
:41:26. > :41:30.weather there, isn't it? Prepare to be astounded. This is
:41:30. > :41:34.going to be great. I'm at Colchester Zoo. I'm with the
:41:34. > :41:41.penguins. The spy cam is astractive some attention or is it the fish
:41:41. > :41:45.that are being held by head of sea lions and penguins, Kate. You love
:41:45. > :41:49.the new series, obviously because you love penguins. What's it going
:41:49. > :41:54.to do for penguin popularity? amazing. The penguins are very
:41:54. > :41:57.popular any way. Everybody loves them and they come to see them. I
:41:57. > :42:02.think they'll be even more popular. We took inspiration from Geoff and
:42:02. > :42:07.John and the cameras they had used and we wanted to infiltrate this
:42:07. > :42:11.colony. Our One Show boffins set about working on our own One Show
:42:11. > :42:16.penguin cam. This is it. I'm going to prop it up. It looks like it's
:42:16. > :42:21.slipping to one side. Let's see if it actually works, if we can get
:42:21. > :42:28.some pictures of these guys. You might need to use the fish in
:42:28. > :42:34.fropbtd of the lens there. They're quite interested. Is this
:42:34. > :42:39.convincing? Well, it's quite a bit bigger than our penguins. It is.
:42:40. > :42:49.But they're not intimidated. They are being quite curious. Naught lus
:42:50. > :42:53.
:42:53. > :42:56.is coming over. -- nautilous. We have tested out The One Show
:42:56. > :43:00.penguin cam here. The One Show boffins tell me it goes at 20mph.
:43:00. > :43:04.We can't use that because it's on gravel. They should maybe have made
:43:04. > :43:09.it look a bit more like a penguin instead. John and Geoff, I hope
:43:09. > :43:14.you're impressed. They are impressed. They have
:43:14. > :43:19.thumbs up. We were reading through the one liners. They're brilliant.
:43:19. > :43:27.What's that coming up there. I've just seen a picture of me about to
:43:27. > :43:33.dance. Sorry. 90% of thieves jokes were horse related. Eric from
:43:33. > :43:40.Norwich says "I got the sack at a fish processing plant. I was
:43:40. > :43:45.gutted." This is from Nick, "My ex- girlfriend was called Theresa Crowd,
:43:45. > :43:48.socialing -- socialising was auk and. Andrew says, I was in the
:43:48. > :43:54.supermarket and the receipt dropped between my feet. I see I'm footing
:43:54. > :43:59.the bill. Jim, "Just from the petri dish festival, the food wasn't
:43:59. > :44:02.great but it was worth it for the culture." I love all these. But if
:44:02. > :44:06.you've seen my act, you'd understand why. One more that leads
:44:06. > :44:16.us onto the dancing. I used to be addict totd hoky cokey, but I've
:44:16. > :44:18.
:44:18. > :44:22.turned myself around. That's from Anni. It's just three days away Tim.
:44:22. > :44:28.Is it, yes, you're right. How much have you been rehearsing? Every day
:44:28. > :44:34.this week. What day is it today? Wednesday. Yes every day this week
:44:34. > :44:40.and then I did four hours last week actually. How's it going? Do you
:44:40. > :44:45.know, what I think I know the moves. Good. When asked to do it in an
:44:45. > :44:50.empty room. The idea of doing it in front of an audience live, I'm
:44:50. > :44:54.worried I'll go blank. To start with you think, yeah this is a
:44:54. > :45:04.great idea. Then the reality hits and you think, what am I doing?
:45:04. > :45:14.
:45:14. > :45:19.Yeah, yeah. We've been through it. I get lost quite easily, as you can
:45:19. > :45:23.tell. The music is actually a bit of a red herring, isn't it? Do you
:45:23. > :45:27.think you are building it up even more by not revealing it?
:45:27. > :45:34.because nobody is revealing what they are doing. I cannot make any
:45:34. > :45:42.more pressure, I already feel huge pressure. You are up against a
:45:42. > :45:47.whole load of stars, so how do you think you will get on? Seriously,
:45:47. > :45:55.it is all about just doing it once, I am quite sure I will not get out
:45:55. > :45:58.of this heat. I would just like to do it and remember... It all comes
:45:58. > :46:07.in three second chunks, and when I get one of those right, a keeps
:46:07. > :46:15.stopping, as if to say... It is all for a great cause. Can we interest
:46:15. > :46:19.you for next year, maybe, Jenni? definitely not. I did stand up for
:46:19. > :46:23.Comic Relief two years ago, and that was I think the most
:46:23. > :46:31.frightening thing I have ever done. I hold my hand up to people like
:46:31. > :46:37.you. You are so courageous. Especially with that many jokes,
:46:37. > :46:40.that Tim does. At the Comedy Store, you go down a new sea wall of these
:46:40. > :46:46.pictures of every comedian you have ever loved, and you think, what am
:46:46. > :46:53.I doing here? It was really frightening. It is nice when they
:46:53. > :46:56.laugh. That's really nice, when they laugh. He is famous for one-
:46:56. > :47:06.liners, but you will have to tune in on Saturday evening to see how
:47:06. > :47:08.
:47:09. > :47:12.he gets on. Last week, on this show, concerns over nursing standards
:47:12. > :47:19.were raised by Julie Bailey. It followed concerns over the standard
:47:19. > :47:22.of care at Stafford Hospital, where Julie's mother died. This week, she
:47:23. > :47:28.went to meet some student nurses, who are about to join the
:47:28. > :47:31.profession at a very difficult time. Welcome to this afternoon's second
:47:32. > :47:36.session. It will not be long before these are second year nursing
:47:36. > :47:40.students leave the comfort of the lecture theatre, and head out on to
:47:40. > :47:45.the wards. They explained to Julie why a career in nursing was
:47:45. > :47:49.important to them. I want to have a sense of accomplishment, caring for
:47:49. > :47:54.someone, giving them that sense of understanding, that compassion,
:47:54. > :47:58.which is something I feel I can give.. I have seen enough of my
:47:58. > :48:03.wife's experience in hospitals, and every time she came out and filled,
:48:03. > :48:08.I liked that place, it was because the nurses were good. This was the
:48:08. > :48:12.thing that was going to give me a feeling of self-worth. I have got
:48:12. > :48:16.younger brothers and sisters, and three of them being ill, and seeing
:48:16. > :48:21.what the medical profession has done, the nurses and doctors, it
:48:21. > :48:24.showed me that that was what I wanted to do. Here at City
:48:24. > :48:30.University London, nurses of the future can practise practical
:48:30. > :48:35.skills in this market ward. Senior lecturer Peter told Julie that
:48:35. > :48:40.their compassion is also assessed. Lots of the students have life
:48:40. > :48:44.experience, they may have cared for relative that has needed help in
:48:44. > :48:49.the health system, or maybe they have done voluntary work. What we
:48:49. > :48:52.try to do at the University is to enhance those skills, to help
:48:52. > :48:56.students improve their communication skills, so that they
:48:56. > :48:59.are more sensitive to the needs of their patients. These postgraduate
:48:59. > :49:04.students are also looking forward to a career in nursing. But they
:49:04. > :49:08.told Julie they were worried by the latest scandals to hit the NHS.
:49:08. > :49:11.When I graduate, I want to work somewhere really good, some were
:49:11. > :49:14.where everybody is really professional, and has got really
:49:14. > :49:18.good knowledge to pass on to me. But with these reports coming out,
:49:18. > :49:23.you think, there are all kinds of places which are not brilliant, not
:49:23. > :49:27.top-notch. It is probably likely in the real world that a win and that
:49:28. > :49:32.somewhere in between. And it is how you deal with that which is really
:49:32. > :49:37.important. Being a good nurse, you can be taught about theory and
:49:37. > :49:44.policy, but it is about who you are, at the end of the day. You have to
:49:44. > :49:48.want to care. You either care about people, or you do not. This lady
:49:48. > :49:53.has just retired from nursing after 56 years of service. She told Julie
:49:53. > :49:58.that compassion cannot be taught. There was a headline in the paper
:49:58. > :50:02.not long ago which said - and it upset me dreadfully - that nurses
:50:02. > :50:07.were being taught to care. You go into nursing because you care, at
:50:07. > :50:12.least, that's the way it always was. Interpersonal skills are very
:50:12. > :50:18.important. -- interpersonal skills. Learning to listen to the patient,
:50:18. > :50:24.to the family, is a huge part of it. And us in the profession, we have
:50:24. > :50:30.to learn to listen to each other as well. That plays a huge part.
:50:30. > :50:35.minute, we will be speaking to Christina McAnea, from the Unison
:50:35. > :50:43.union. But first, some of your views, first of all, in support of
:50:43. > :50:44.nurses. An anonymous health worker said, in my experience, well over
:50:44. > :50:48.90% of the health professionals I 90% of the health professionals I
:50:48. > :50:53.work with a dedicated, caring and compassionate. I feel this group
:50:53. > :50:57.has been unfairly representative, and the focus has been unfairly put
:50:57. > :51:06.on the negatives. This has been detrimental to relationships
:51:06. > :51:10.between patients and staff. Stewart says - two years ago and nearly
:51:10. > :51:14.died from untreated diabetes. The treatment I received from hospitals
:51:14. > :51:18.in Stoke-on-Trent and Burton-on- Trent was nothing but exemplary.
:51:18. > :51:22.Nurses were on hand 24 hours a day and would consider it and helpful,
:51:22. > :51:25.even with some of the most difficult patients. This one says -
:51:25. > :51:29.I was treated as a day case in the Royal Marsden Hospital earlier this
:51:29. > :51:33.week, and I cannot fault the level of care and commitment of all of
:51:33. > :51:36.those who looked after me. Perhaps those tasked with making
:51:36. > :51:40.improvements for the NHS should look at what is working well and
:51:40. > :51:44.reward those who were dedicated truly to the health and welfare of
:51:44. > :51:49.NHS patients. This one said, following a significant accident
:51:49. > :51:52.involving myself and a lorry, I spent 14 weeks in hospital, and I
:51:52. > :51:56.could say that without the care and attention given to me by the
:51:56. > :52:00.doctors and nurses, I would not be here. I am currently attending as
:52:00. > :52:04.an out-patient. Can you please not an out-patient. Can you please not
:52:04. > :52:08.paint all NHS staff with the same brush? Very interesting comments
:52:08. > :52:13.there, and thanks for joining us, Christina McAnea. We are all aware
:52:13. > :52:16.of the problems with under stuffing and poor management within the NHS,
:52:16. > :52:19.but would you agree with what the Prime Minister and the Health
:52:19. > :52:24.Secretary have said, that there are some problems with some nurses
:52:24. > :52:28.lacking in compassion? In any profession, some people will not
:52:28. > :52:35.live up to the highest expectations. But you have to take a look at the
:52:35. > :52:42.big picture, which is, of all of the nurses registered, just over
:52:42. > :52:46.half a % are ever referred to the review council. That is a tiny
:52:46. > :52:53.percentage of people who are ever sent to have to answer questions
:52:53. > :52:58.around their professional registration. So, there is no point
:52:58. > :53:02.being defensive about what happened. The Francis report made it
:53:02. > :53:07.absolutely clear that there had been terrible lapses, terrible
:53:07. > :53:12.experiences of patients and their families. But by and large, there
:53:12. > :53:17.is still a lot of trust out there for nurses, and a lot of people I
:53:17. > :53:21.think appreciate the work they do. What do you think the solution is
:53:21. > :53:26.to stop these bad apples tarnishing the rest of the NHS? Will,
:53:26. > :53:31.hopefully, a lot of that will be dealt with when you have student
:53:31. > :53:37.nurses going through the training programme. 50% of the training is
:53:37. > :53:41.clinical, in work experience, and 50% is academic. And they have to
:53:41. > :53:45.do 4,500 hours of training over three years. So, it is probably
:53:45. > :53:49.more than most other academic training programmes. And you would
:53:50. > :53:53.hope that in those circumstances, those staff and those students who
:53:53. > :53:57.are not going to be cut out to be nurses would hopefully be weeded
:53:57. > :54:04.out, and they themselves will have perhaps want to leave the
:54:04. > :54:09.profession. As far as the student nurses are concerned, is it really
:54:09. > :54:13.expressed how tough the job is? Absolutely. People are told right
:54:13. > :54:18.at the beginning the conditions they can expect. But what we would
:54:18. > :54:22.say is, one of the difficulties with training at the moment is that
:54:22. > :54:25.many of the student nurses, their placements can be very short,
:54:25. > :54:29.sometimes a short as two weeks, and we are trying to argue that they
:54:29. > :54:34.should have fewer placements, but for a longer period of time, which
:54:34. > :54:38.would allow them to have much better experience. It will enable
:54:38. > :54:48.them to be part of a team, to get familiar with the work of the other
:54:48. > :54:52.
:54:52. > :54:58.people around them. Thank you very much indeed. Earlier, we were
:54:58. > :55:03.discussing the horse meat scandal. And Jay Rayner went to meet a whole
:55:03. > :55:07.football club which has decided to do away with meat. The first
:55:07. > :55:12.reaction from the fans was, we do not want this. But it is a change
:55:12. > :55:15.from the normal football offerings. This is Forest Green rivers, a
:55:16. > :55:25.football club which has decided to go vegetarian. -- Forest Green
:55:26. > :55:26.
:55:26. > :55:31.Rovers. Out go the sausage rolls, in come the vegetarian wraps. It
:55:31. > :55:35.all started when red meet was taken off the menu in 2011. Now, they
:55:35. > :55:40.have gone one step further, banning all red meet products. It is part
:55:40. > :55:44.of a wider, eco-friendly plan by the chairman, Dale Vince, who wants
:55:44. > :55:51.to make every aspect of the club more sustainable. It includes the
:55:51. > :55:55.players and what they eat, as well as the grass they play on. I think
:55:55. > :56:00.it is the first in the world, this grass has no pester lies -- no
:56:00. > :56:05.fertilisers used on it. What is the sustainability issue with meet
:56:05. > :56:09.eating? The world is struggling to feed itself. We have got to change
:56:10. > :56:13.what we eat. Was there not a risk that you might turn off the
:56:13. > :56:17.supporters? What we were really doing was choosing what was on the
:56:17. > :56:21.menu. People do not come to football to eat what you eat for
:56:21. > :56:26.the rest of the week. Come and try something different. In the
:56:26. > :56:32.kitchens, they are attempting to change decades of football's
:56:32. > :56:38.carnivorous traditions, with various meat-free offerings. In the
:56:38. > :56:42.hospitality lounge, what do the players think? You get some
:56:42. > :56:48.vegetables you have never heard of, and you try it and see that you
:56:48. > :56:54.actually like it. Do you sometimes say, if only you could have a
:56:54. > :57:02.stake? No, actually it isn't nice. What about the whole environment of
:57:02. > :57:07.thing? The same. Most important for the manager is the effect of the
:57:08. > :57:11.lack of meat, and the effect it has on the pitch. When you go into the
:57:11. > :57:16.science of what is involved in vegetarian food, and what players
:57:16. > :57:25.need in terms of proteins, carbohydrates, etc, it is ideal.
:57:25. > :57:29.They are becoming better, they feel more energised. The meat-free
:57:29. > :57:33.matchdays do not seem to be doing Forest Green any harm. They are
:57:33. > :57:37.having a cracking season, within a short distance of promotion to the
:57:37. > :57:43.Football League for the first time in their history. But at half-time,
:57:43. > :57:49.as the fans head for the snack bars, the falafel wraps are dividing
:57:49. > :57:58.opinion. I am a massive fan of the vegetarian food, yes. I think we
:57:58. > :58:08.should have meet pies, myself. meat place. It is more tasty, more
:58:08. > :58:09.
:58:09. > :58:13.healthy, it feels like you are not eating rubbish. -- meat pies, So,
:58:13. > :58:20.time for my own verdict. I have got to say, there has been some really
:58:20. > :58:26.good stuff here. But the pasty? Not so much, not my cup of tea. But it
:58:26. > :58:32.seems on the whole, fans are warming to Forest Green's meat-free
:58:32. > :58:37.policy, with match-day food sales up by as much as 50%. So, are
:58:37. > :58:44.veggie burgers about to replace meat pies on the terraces? Probably
:58:44. > :58:50.not, but we will see in seasons to come. And that is full time on this