0:00:18 > 0:00:20Hello, and Welcome to The One Show, with Matt Baker...
0:00:20 > 0:00:22And Angela Scanlon.
0:00:22 > 0:00:27Today is Blue Monday - some say the most miserable day of the year.
0:00:27 > 0:00:29Well, not this year it's not.
0:00:29 > 0:00:35Who could watch this and not feel an irrational surge of happiness?
0:00:35 > 0:00:43This is good, look at this! Magical stuff!Oh, yes!
0:00:43 > 0:00:48This is what happens when pet cats watch Big Cats on BBC One.
0:00:48 > 0:00:49Plenty more from them later.
0:00:49 > 0:00:53And topical comedian Matt Forde's here.
0:00:53 > 0:01:00What's it like when you see things like Spitting Image, or
0:01:00 > 0:01:09impersonation is on TV, they have picked up the mannerisms what...
0:01:09 > 0:01:10He'll be putting his spin on 2018.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12Our sofa guests tonight from Silent Witness
0:01:12 > 0:01:14are are already corpsing - which is appropriate!
0:01:14 > 0:01:15It's Emilia Fox and Liz Carr!
0:01:15 > 0:01:21APPLAUSE.
0:01:21 > 0:01:27Louw to you both. -- hello to you both.
0:01:27 > 0:01:28Welcome back.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31Has Blue Monday got the best of you?
0:01:31 > 0:01:39I don't agree with that, it's more gloom January or early February? --
0:01:39 > 0:01:44or Luke February. I think by the end of March...
0:01:44 > 0:01:52LAUGHTER The most exciting thing for you
0:01:52 > 0:01:56today?I've come here! APPLAUSE
0:01:56 > 0:02:00The green couch is a bit of a lift. We are not going to disappoint!
0:02:00 > 0:02:08We are going to catch up with One Show viewers...
0:02:08 > 0:02:11Let's start by catching up with a group of One Show viewers
0:02:11 > 0:02:13who we turn to when we need new technology tested
0:02:13 > 0:02:14and no-nonsense questions asked.
0:02:14 > 0:02:16So far, they've tackled smart tech, online security and electric
0:02:16 > 0:02:19cars on your behalf. Now, they're entering the world
0:02:19 > 0:02:20of crypto-currencies.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22So have we pushed them too far this time?
0:02:22 > 0:02:31You can't physically touch Bitcoin. Does this thing actually exist?It's
0:02:31 > 0:02:36not actually money.The One Show viewers know next to nothing about
0:02:36 > 0:02:42Bitcoin, so we set them a challenge, to see if they can make it big in
0:02:42 > 0:02:48the Bitcoin world.That an ordinary cash machine, that's not it.Their
0:02:48 > 0:02:54first task is to get their hands on some. Frank and Annie are at one of
0:02:54 > 0:03:01the few Bitcoin ATMs.I've got to get this done!As Bitcoin only this
0:03:01 > 0:03:06online, they have to use a smartphone to receive their currency
0:03:06 > 0:03:14digitally. -- Bitcoin only exists online.Dunnett!We can put the
0:03:14 > 0:03:22money in a now -- done it.Yes, I've done that.They call for back-up.
0:03:22 > 0:03:31You just need to get up this code, which looks like this.Insert that.
0:03:31 > 0:03:46And again!The exchange rate is a whopping £13,500 to one Bitcoin.
0:03:46 > 0:03:51Where are we going now?I don't no...Lets go and have a coffee!
0:03:51 > 0:03:59Bitcoin at the ready. They are keen to have a go as spending it.Do you
0:03:59 > 0:04:06take Bitcoins, love? Do you take them in payment? Is it like
0:04:06 > 0:04:13contactless? Do you except Bitcoin? Most Bitcoin transactions occur
0:04:13 > 0:04:16online, but they find one of only three places on the High Street in
0:04:16 > 0:04:23Leeds which take it. Meal finished, it's time to settle the bill.I have
0:04:23 > 0:04:28generated the receipt in pounds. It will automatically convert it into
0:04:28 > 0:04:35Bitcoin.It incurs a charge. A hefty transaction fee adds another £13 45
0:04:35 > 0:04:40to their bill.It was virtually double what was on the menu.
0:04:40 > 0:04:44Absolutely stupid, in my eyes.I'll let you into a sequel, I will never
0:04:44 > 0:04:53Bitcoin ever again!-- a secret. Spending Bitcoin comes at a cost,
0:04:53 > 0:04:59but what about investing it?
0:04:59 > 0:05:02but what about investing it? Linda and Dave are meeting and investment
0:05:02 > 0:05:07director and Bitcoin sceptic.This is a potential get rich quick
0:05:07 > 0:05:11scheme, in all fairness, it's worked incredibly well. It is not an
0:05:11 > 0:05:16investment, for me. What happens if it goes wrong? Can I afford to lose
0:05:16 > 0:05:23the money, permanently? You are not compensated by the mine and services
0:05:23 > 0:05:31compensation scheme. What's gone is gone.In the spirit of our is --
0:05:31 > 0:05:36experiment, they take the risk. With such little regulation, you could be
0:05:36 > 0:05:42at risk of identity fraud. Dave and Linda are using a reputable website.
0:05:42 > 0:05:45It's going to go up, and we are going to make money, this is what we
0:05:45 > 0:05:51hope!The key to making money from any investment is timing.The price
0:05:51 > 0:05:56of the
0:05:57 > 0:06:00of the coin -- Bitcoin has plummeted.It can go up or down by
0:06:00 > 0:06:09thousands.That is what your £40 is now worth. £31 57.Groups!It's time
0:06:09 > 0:06:13to cash out. In the months since they have bought their Bitcoin, it
0:06:13 > 0:06:19has dropped to ten point £5,000. Dave and Linda's at Gwent website
0:06:19 > 0:06:25doesn't pay out in sterling, they end up with 27 euros.It is easy to
0:06:25 > 0:06:32put the money in, but getting it out has proved mega problems.After
0:06:32 > 0:06:40fees, Frank and Annie have just £17. We have lost half of the money.Nora
0:06:40 > 0:06:46has been stung with more charges. They have taken someone money out of
0:06:46 > 0:06:54my account.Not a very good investment, as far as I'm concerned.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57Banks, team.
0:06:57 > 0:06:58-- thanks.
0:06:58 > 0:07:01Gavin Brown is here - a bitcoin expert and Senior Lecturer
0:07:01 > 0:07:02in Financial Economics at Manchester Metropolitan
0:07:02 > 0:07:03University.
0:07:03 > 0:07:07And you have invested some of your own money in Bitcoin. As we saw from
0:07:07 > 0:07:10the video, is not great for day-to-day, Bitcoin.
0:07:10 > 0:07:12So, apart from drug dealers and other shady types,
0:07:12 > 0:07:17is there any reason for anybody to actually use bitcoin?
0:07:17 > 0:07:22That's a good point. For small level transactions on a day-to-day basis,
0:07:22 > 0:07:27it cannot be efficient in terms of time and transaction costs, it has a
0:07:27 > 0:07:29lot of connotations with the criminal element and that sort of
0:07:29 > 0:07:35thing. But Bitcoin itself is a fantastic innovation. It allows you
0:07:35 > 0:07:40to do banking without the need for a bank. You can move money around
0:07:40 > 0:07:46instantly without any transaction fees, regulatory oversight, tax
0:07:46 > 0:07:50authority looking at the transaction. For a lot of
0:07:50 > 0:07:52institutions, it is an empowering thing.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55We saw in the film that the value of bitcoin dropped.
0:07:55 > 0:07:57What makes bitcoin go up and down in value?
0:07:57 > 0:08:02It is the volatility that gets the headlines because it is such an
0:08:02 > 0:08:06embryonic and Newmarket. It only takes a small announcement by a
0:08:06 > 0:08:08country or regulator to say something negative or positive and
0:08:08 > 0:08:18the price will fluctuate wildly.I couldn't cope with the stress!This
0:08:18 > 0:08:26is why you wouldn't have a lot of your wealth in it, you wouldn't
0:08:26 > 0:08:30sleep at night!It was bad time for our group, who invested at the wrong
0:08:30 > 0:08:36time. As soon as the cameras stopped rolling, the price shot up again.
0:08:36 > 0:08:40Back in the game!In a one-month period since we filmed that, Bitcoin
0:08:40 > 0:08:46lost a third of its value, but over a 12 month period it has gone up
0:08:46 > 0:08:481300%, which is significant.
0:08:48 > 0:08:52How is it made?
0:08:52 > 0:08:58What mind, as they say?There are two choices, we could create a coin
0:08:58 > 0:09:04here and now, make a new coin. You can put it onto the market in one go
0:09:04 > 0:09:08and hope that people started used it as a transfer of value or release it
0:09:08 > 0:09:15slowly, release it in blocks, one blogs every ten minutes. -- blocks.
0:09:15 > 0:09:20It is a Bitcoin inside a puzzle, your job as a minor is to use a
0:09:20 > 0:09:25computer to solve the puzzle to win the Bitcoin. You may say, what's the
0:09:25 > 0:09:29point in that? What that is for is because computers cost money and
0:09:29 > 0:09:33have to be powered, which also costs money. When you get out of the
0:09:33 > 0:09:37Bitcoin, you have spent a lot of money getting it. That value
0:09:37 > 0:09:41transfers to the coin itself, which gives the currency some values the
0:09:41 > 0:09:46point there's a lot of machinery that generate this. It's huge.
0:09:46 > 0:09:52People are starting to shout about this. If Bitcoin was a country, it
0:09:52 > 0:09:56uses more electricity in the last 12 months than 150 other countries
0:09:56 > 0:10:01globally. From a green perspective, very poor. The mining will see is
0:10:01 > 0:10:06what the maximum number of points are in circulation.Liz, your
0:10:06 > 0:10:10character's husband, Max, he is a tech genius.Just the name of it,
0:10:10 > 0:10:18crypto-currency! That's really it. Every time I want to get Max back in
0:10:18 > 0:10:22the series, trying to find ways of getting him back. I think that would
0:10:22 > 0:10:29be a great crime that we could be looking at, Bitcoin.Happy to have
0:10:29 > 0:10:34helped! Will be on the next series!
0:10:34 > 0:10:36In tonight's episode, your characters are juggling solving
0:10:36 > 0:10:39a crime and keeping an eye on Jack's love life.
0:10:39 > 0:10:44Jack, I will ask Kelly some questions and need you to do the
0:10:44 > 0:10:50full number, computers, phones, cameras... I will need to...It will
0:10:50 > 0:10:56my pleasure.
0:10:56 > 0:11:03my pleasure.And need asking price, did he?What?Jack, not normally
0:11:03 > 0:11:07this attentive -- didn't need asking price. Cancel his toxicology
0:11:07 > 0:11:15results. All normal except for very high levels of...She was planning
0:11:15 > 0:11:23to terminate the pregnancy.Yes. APPLAUSE
0:11:23 > 0:11:28In general, the good news is, you are back. Emilia Clarke your
0:11:28 > 0:11:32character did make it, she went through with the whole De Bock Eoin
0:11:32 > 0:11:36go. You must have spent so many months with your character saying,
0:11:36 > 0:11:42is she alive?! -- each with the whole De Bock. Not many people
0:11:42 > 0:11:49thought it was a dream.All this past year I have had people saying,
0:11:49 > 0:11:54is she coming back? She was left in the box. It was a very serial,
0:11:54 > 0:12:00dreamy sequence on the beach.Did it happen or didn't it?People finally
0:12:00 > 0:12:05got it, and now we are back.I'm relieved that we are back!
0:12:05 > 0:12:08And the first two-parter of the new series did not disappoint.
0:12:08 > 0:12:13What can we look forward to tonight?
0:12:13 > 0:12:18Following on from the personal story of Nikki, she is still recovering
0:12:18 > 0:12:24from the aftermath of Mexico. You see a little bit about Jack and the
0:12:24 > 0:12:28relationship that he has with the detective on the case. And the crime
0:12:28 > 0:12:31story is about the hacking of a hospital database, and the
0:12:31 > 0:12:40blackmailing of patients.We often get asked, how is it in George Weah
0:12:40 > 0:12:4421 series? When we were doing this NHS data hacking case, it was
0:12:44 > 0:12:49happening in the news last year -- how has it endured. It is so
0:12:49 > 0:12:54topical, that's part of it. These stories are written months, even one
0:12:54 > 0:12:59year in advance. We were doing it, it was almost like somebody had
0:12:59 > 0:13:03foreseen the future!Strangely, the last time you want, you were talking
0:13:03 > 0:13:08about the fact that we might get to see more your personal life. That's
0:13:08 > 0:13:16going to be happening, too. Your character is at the centre of one of
0:13:16 > 0:13:22the can't coming episodes.There is an episode coming up, -- up and
0:13:22 > 0:13:26coming episodes. It is a disability hate crime that takes place in care
0:13:26 > 0:13:31homes. We have always avoided talking overtly about disability. I
0:13:31 > 0:13:35will into a scene, we know I'm a wheelchair user, but we've not
0:13:35 > 0:13:40addressed that fact, I've never had to confront it. But this time there
0:13:40 > 0:13:45are crimes that are around disabled people and Clarissa can't help but
0:13:45 > 0:13:49get involved. There is a lot of soul-searching, it is a painful
0:13:49 > 0:13:54episode. She revisits her past, as well.On the flip side, we see
0:13:54 > 0:13:59Mickey having a love interest, which doesn't happen regularly! So will we
0:13:59 > 0:14:05see Nikki.
0:14:07 > 0:14:12Is that good? A lot of people hate the love scene thing.It is good
0:14:12 > 0:14:19because the relationship she had with Harry really meant something. I
0:14:19 > 0:14:24get asked every series, I knew going to have a relationship, but this
0:14:24 > 0:14:29series you do see her with a smile on her face and it helps with
0:14:29 > 0:14:33getting through Mexico, moving on, then we get back into Silent Witness
0:14:33 > 0:14:41as we know it.Is your love interests have always died! A lot of
0:14:41 > 0:14:47people want you to be with Jack as well.Yes, exactly. There have been
0:14:47 > 0:14:56a few moments between us.And where do you sit, with the format of the
0:14:56 > 0:15:01two parter, do you enjoy that? Because there are now so many boxed
0:15:01 > 0:15:05sets you can gorge on but now you have the nation on tenterhooks until
0:15:05 > 0:15:13the next episode, do you enjoy that? I think it's a luxury. There are so
0:15:13 > 0:15:17many series, the forerunner is really things like CSI which is just
0:15:17 > 0:15:23one hour, it is not much time but we are allowed to tell stories in two
0:15:23 > 0:15:31ours. We often think of them as films.Tuesday morning must be a
0:15:31 > 0:15:37nightmare, do people badger you?A lot of them wait and watch it in one
0:15:37 > 0:15:41go.It is nice to be doing something different from the box set thing
0:15:41 > 0:15:47because you get satisfaction in the Monday storytelling, and the fact it
0:15:47 > 0:15:51is two hours you get really great guest casts coming along because
0:15:51 > 0:15:58they can get into the meat of their characters. You get.It to tell. We
0:15:58 > 0:16:02haven't got long to wait until the first of the two part coming in the
0:16:02 > 0:16:08next couple of days but we are going to move onto another love of yours
0:16:08 > 0:16:14right now, c - cat owners.
0:16:14 > 0:16:16They have long realised that their pets have plenty
0:16:16 > 0:16:18in common with their wild cousins.
0:16:18 > 0:16:20But until the Big Cats series started last week,
0:16:20 > 0:16:22they might not have realised exactly how much.
0:16:22 > 0:16:28Here's Patrick.
0:16:32 > 0:16:37Watching big cats on TV helps us learn about their lives but we can
0:16:37 > 0:16:47see similar behaviour is a little closer to home.
0:16:47 > 0:16:52closer to home. Just like their fellow fierce felines, these
0:16:52 > 0:16:5913-week-old kittens use their excellent hearing and sight to lock
0:16:59 > 0:17:13onto a target, closing... Before the pounds. -- pounce.
0:17:14 > 0:17:19Much like lions in the wild, play fighting is all about learning. All
0:17:19 > 0:17:28rules are off. Neck biting, head locks, kick boxing are all fair
0:17:28 > 0:17:34tactics. These behaviours would be used to bring down prey in the wild,
0:17:34 > 0:17:38but for these kittens it's about figuring out how far one can push
0:17:38 > 0:17:45the other.
0:17:45 > 0:17:51the other. Cats will often follow up a scrap with a clean. Up to a tenth
0:17:51 > 0:17:55of their waking hours are spent grooming but it's not just about
0:17:55 > 0:18:00keeping their first in top condition. Grooming helps to calm
0:18:00 > 0:18:05each other and creates a communal sent to show they are part of the
0:18:05 > 0:18:10same gang. All cleaned up, there is still much to explore. Climbing
0:18:10 > 0:18:16isn't just fun, it helps keep their claws sharp. Solitary cats can be
0:18:16 > 0:18:22vulnerable to attack in the wild which is why kittens instinctively
0:18:22 > 0:18:28head for high lookout points. New objects need to be explored,
0:18:28 > 0:18:32ensuring their curious nature is satisfied. Even if it means changing
0:18:32 > 0:18:40the channel.
0:18:40 > 0:18:45Cats instinctively know that Prodi move away from them, and with
0:18:45 > 0:18:50razor-sharp reactions and new toy gives them chance to practice. One
0:18:50 > 0:18:58giant leap for cat kind. Kittens developed strong muscles, but by the
0:18:58 > 0:19:04time they are fully grown that will help them jump vertically 2.5 metres
0:19:04 > 0:19:09from a standstill, which would be used in the wild to capture an
0:19:09 > 0:19:14escaping meal. A burst of activity is usually followed by an out,
0:19:14 > 0:19:22something that comes most naturally to all cats. At this age, they will
0:19:22 > 0:19:28sleep for more than 13 hours a day, just like their wild cousins.
0:19:28 > 0:19:34Dreaming of their adventures around the house.
0:19:34 > 0:19:41That's what we are like on the sofa after the One Show.Big Cats is back
0:19:41 > 0:19:49on Thursday on BBC One.C, we mentioned you are cat lover and you
0:19:49 > 0:19:54brought in some photos. You introduced the nation to this lovely
0:19:54 > 0:20:04feline.This is cat Fraser.I was going to say, you've got a panther!
0:20:04 > 0:20:14Named after Matt, and like Matt, they don't have thumbs. It's a
0:20:14 > 0:20:20lovely sofa, it was velvet, it is now shreds. She is tiny, we have
0:20:20 > 0:20:24three cats, all black. She is the smallest and we are terrified of
0:20:24 > 0:20:28her.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31Matt Forde is here!
0:20:31 > 0:20:34You're about to embark on the fourth series of Unspun -
0:20:34 > 0:20:37your topical political comedy chat show on Dave.
0:20:37 > 0:20:38Starting shortly.
0:20:38 > 0:20:43What are your predictions for 2018?
0:20:44 > 0:20:49I should say I am all for our predictions. I take no
0:20:49 > 0:20:58responsibility.Shall we not do it then?Europe will continue to drive
0:20:58 > 0:21:01the Tory party apart. I think Boris Johnson specifically will continue
0:21:01 > 0:21:09to misbehave. That's not a great revelation. He will continue... It
0:21:09 > 0:21:19is the self-promotion. Let me just say no, no, no what, it is to be
0:21:19 > 0:21:23here today. Watch him, next time he's interviewed, always three
0:21:23 > 0:21:27different things going in his head at any one point. I want to say
0:21:27 > 0:21:35about Jeremy Corbyn, no, no, no, the BBC... My favourite has always been
0:21:35 > 0:21:44the chocolate hob knob. Not necessarily an exclusive. I think
0:21:44 > 0:21:49Labour will continue to be torn apart with Europe. Jeremy Corbyn has
0:21:49 > 0:21:57walked the line but increasingly he will become more pragmatic. You have
0:21:57 > 0:22:00seen this with sucking Chris Williamson who talked about council
0:22:00 > 0:22:06tax. My big prediction for the year, and I talked to a lot of MPs as you
0:22:06 > 0:22:11know, this is a real exclusive, there will be a general election
0:22:11 > 0:22:23this year, guaranteed. It will be in Russia. If you do fancy an outside
0:22:24 > 0:22:30bet on a lad called Vlad Putin.What about Nigel Farage?He could be
0:22:30 > 0:22:38back. The current Ukip leader is in trouble, just days after Nigel has
0:22:38 > 0:22:42called for a second referendum. I don't think there's any coincidence
0:22:42 > 0:22:48in that. I have interviewed him before, Nigel. It is fair to say he
0:22:48 > 0:22:53will just throw grenades out there, not literally, although let's see
0:22:53 > 0:22:58how desperate he gets. I interviewed him years ago and on climate change
0:22:58 > 0:23:04he said this, "People talk about the greenhouse effect. Have you seen a
0:23:04 > 0:23:14greenhouse? I mean stuff actually grows in there."Oh dear!I just
0:23:14 > 0:23:20went, fair point.One man who has been accused of misjudging
0:23:20 > 0:23:24situations and offending people, Donald Trump. Is there any way you
0:23:24 > 0:23:35can spin it to a positive in the way only Matt Forde does.Getting the
0:23:35 > 0:23:42next series has been helped by strong. A lot of people would say he
0:23:42 > 0:23:46has kept some of his promises. He pulled out of the Paris climate
0:23:46 > 0:23:49change agreement which delighted Nigel Farage. Apart from
0:23:49 > 0:23:57contributing to perhaps economic growth, so there are some positives.
0:23:57 > 0:24:02His greatest achievement is the sowing of confusion, he is almost
0:24:02 > 0:24:06impossible to campaign against because people never know by the way
0:24:06 > 0:24:11where he stands. And I want to say, it is the norm, it is an honour to
0:24:11 > 0:24:20be on the top rated show on the BBC at 7pm, it really is.
0:24:20 > 0:24:35at 7pm, it really is.I'm afraid we are going to shut you up!
0:24:36 > 0:24:37Thanks for joining us.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40What sort of man refuses to pay a ransom for his kidnapped
0:24:40 > 0:24:43grandson even though he has, as the film title has it,
0:24:43 > 0:24:44All The Money In The World?
0:24:44 > 0:24:46With the film starring Christopher Plummer expected to do
0:24:46 > 0:24:49well at the Baftas and Oscars, Gyles has been delving
0:24:49 > 0:24:50into the world of John Paul Getty.
0:24:50 > 0:24:54Money is secondary. I like the company of women, I like to think
0:24:54 > 0:25:02I'm average.John Paul Getty. By the 1960s, the richest person in the
0:25:02 > 0:25:07world, the first privately made billionaire. He grew a vast oil
0:25:07 > 0:25:10empire and spawned a Dynasty still renowned today, but he had a
0:25:10 > 0:25:15reputation as a miser and a womaniser, cohort, callous and
0:25:15 > 0:25:21calculating. Unfortunately I cannot interview him, he died in 1976 aged
0:25:21 > 0:25:3083, but I knew a man who did interview him.
0:25:30 > 0:25:33interview him. I knew him well. Alan Wicker. Deep in the BBC archives...
0:25:33 > 0:25:36Is an extraordinary, electric interview with the richest man on
0:25:36 > 0:25:44earth, conducted at his man -- mansion in Surrey. At the time it
0:25:44 > 0:25:48was like being invited to the Court of a king.Did you set out to become
0:25:48 > 0:25:54the richest man in the world?No, I never had any interest. I was the
0:25:54 > 0:25:59only child and I had to carry all the business.Alan wasn't just
0:25:59 > 0:26:03interested in how Getty inherited an oil empire and grew it into
0:26:03 > 0:26:08something vast, he wanted to know what made the man take.There are
0:26:08 > 0:26:12great many stories of your care with money, for example you've installed
0:26:12 > 0:26:19up a telephone box to prevent your guests abusing your hospitality by
0:26:19 > 0:26:25drunken calls.My guests would think that the benefit. It is daunting
0:26:25 > 0:26:29when you have to put in a long-distance call and charge your
0:26:29 > 0:26:35host with it.What came back was measured, calculated, so cool that
0:26:35 > 0:26:40seemed devoid of everything.It does seem you have been fairly ruthless
0:26:40 > 0:26:44in your personal relationships. You left your wives at the time of the
0:26:44 > 0:26:50birth of your children to go back to your business. Have you always put
0:26:50 > 0:26:54business first?Not any kind of business but important business.
0:26:54 > 0:26:59What would be important enough to take you away?Informed decisions
0:26:59 > 0:27:03have to be quickly made. They always say business before pleasure and
0:27:03 > 0:27:07maybe there is too much of it in my marriages.How do you think your
0:27:07 > 0:27:12relationship with other people would change if by some catastrophe you
0:27:12 > 0:27:17lost all your money?I hope I would have three or four friends laughed.
0:27:17 > 0:27:22Getty ran his billion-dollar business from his 72 room mansion.
0:27:22 > 0:27:27Denise worked there in the 1970s, counting the cash for one of his
0:27:27 > 0:27:34many companies.The own written rule would have been you don't talk about
0:27:34 > 0:27:40Mystic Getty's personal life. He was a private man and I respected his
0:27:40 > 0:27:44status. We would see him about the Estates occasionally, particularly
0:27:44 > 0:27:52when he went to visit his lion. We used to have an office party every
0:27:52 > 0:27:57year and one year he came to it, and to an extent he was very friendly
0:27:57 > 0:28:03with some of his employees, those that were above me.Eventually Alan
0:28:03 > 0:28:08Wicker asked the question you have to ask the richest man on earth,
0:28:08 > 0:28:13does money make you happy?Using to be a melancholy man, Mr Getty, in
0:28:13 > 0:28:18fact you often look so miserable people must believe the money has
0:28:18 > 0:28:22not brought you much happiness?That is the effect of responsibility.
0:28:22 > 0:28:26Ever since my father died, I haven't had the buoyant feeling I had
0:28:26 > 0:28:34before.Presumably you believe money doesn't buy you happiness, what else
0:28:34 > 0:28:40does it not buy?It cannot buy you health. Some of the best times I had
0:28:40 > 0:28:44don't cost any money, down on the beach on the surfboard, not spending
0:28:44 > 0:28:52any money there.
0:28:53 > 0:28:55Fascinating insight into John Paul Getty, a decade before
0:28:55 > 0:28:56the kidnap of his grandson.
0:28:56 > 0:28:58Well, that's all we've got time for.
0:28:58 > 0:28:59A big thanks to our guests.
0:28:59 > 0:29:03You can see Emilia and Liz in Silent Witness tonight at 9pm on BBC One.
0:29:03 > 0:29:05And to Matt Forde, who is back with Unspun
0:29:05 > 0:29:11on Dave from January 28th.
0:29:11 > 0:29:18Before we go, we were sorry to hear of the sad death today of the
0:29:18 > 0:29:27unforgettable Dolores O'Riordan. She performed on the show with her band
0:29:27 > 0:29:38last year, the Cranberries.
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