:00:17. > :00:27.So, I need a co-presenter for tonight. I have come to a decision.
:00:27. > :00:43.
:00:43. > :00:47.Matt, you're through to the live Hello and welcome to The One Show.
:00:47. > :00:57.And with us tonight, the best hugger in the business, Dermot
:00:57. > :00:59.
:00:59. > :01:04.O'Leary! Nice to see you. Very strong arms. I love that, when I
:01:04. > :01:13.put my head through the middle, I can see your tea and everything.
:01:13. > :01:18.You have got no snack or anything. Now, you Dudu a lot of hugging, on
:01:18. > :01:28.the second best show on Saturday nights. To be honest, it happens to
:01:28. > :01:28.
:01:29. > :01:36.me more than me hugging people. do you stand in their way? I just
:01:36. > :01:41.have that stance, you shall not pass. I bet you get it -- a lot of
:01:41. > :01:50.things on your shirt, make-up: mascara, things like that. Yes, I
:01:50. > :01:57.do, and fake tan, obviously. were also the last person to hug
:01:57. > :02:03.Michael Jackson. And James Brown. Unfortunately for you two... This
:02:03. > :02:09.may be our last show. Yes, we did a press conference with Michael
:02:10. > :02:17.Jackson, he came out, he gave me a hug. And he died a few months later.
:02:17. > :02:22.We will be speaking more to Dermot later. And we will be finding out
:02:22. > :02:30.how Matt Baker has got on on his fifth day of his Rickshaw Challenge
:02:30. > :02:34.for Children In Need. That is a man who looks like he needs a hug.
:02:34. > :02:40.looks like a broken man. But the crowds are waiting for him in
:02:40. > :02:46.Lincoln. It looks like a great turnout. Hopefully we will try and
:02:46. > :02:53.talk to him at the end of the show, fingers crossed. Come on, Matt.
:02:53. > :02:56.Completely different subject now, something serious now, the
:02:56. > :03:00.spiralling cost of living is forcing many families to make very
:03:00. > :03:05.hard choices, but how many people in Britain today simply cannot put
:03:05. > :03:09.food on the table? Recently, the former Conservative minister Edwina
:03:09. > :03:19.Currie said she did not think anyone in the UK was actually going
:03:19. > :03:20.
:03:20. > :03:23.hungry. So we sent her to meet some of those who say she is wrong.
:03:23. > :03:28.you ever said something that has really put the cat amongst the
:03:28. > :03:36.pigeons? I did, three months ago. I don't think people in this country
:03:36. > :03:42.go hungry. I don't think so. There are people out of their staffing,
:03:42. > :03:46.you're wrong. There are people starving in this world, and they
:03:46. > :03:53.are not in the United Kingdom. incensed that she could say a thing
:03:53. > :04:01.like that. So, despite all the fuss, I still think there is a point to
:04:01. > :04:07.be made, so The One Show and this food charity challenged me to put
:04:07. > :04:11.my opinions to the test. I had to say yes. This charity collects
:04:11. > :04:17.spare food and drink from manufacturers and supermarkets, and
:04:17. > :04:22.in turn, it is passed on to needy families. I'm on my way to meet
:04:22. > :04:30.Stacey, a single mum who has three children. She says she does not
:04:30. > :04:34.know how she would manage without the free food handouts, which saved
:04:34. > :04:39.her around �35 on her weekly budget. What do you put the money towards?
:04:39. > :04:46.I do not get that much on benefits anyway. You have got this lovely
:04:46. > :04:53.boxer dog, what does he cost to feet? A lot. How much? About �50 a
:04:53. > :04:58.week. Has it occurred to you not to have a dog? Well, when I got the
:04:58. > :05:06.dog, I was not in this situation, I was with my partner. He's part of
:05:06. > :05:11.the family now. Stacey was forced to go on benefits when she split
:05:11. > :05:16.from her partner 18 months ago. She is now training to become a debt
:05:16. > :05:19.councillor. What troubles me is, good people helping you and giving
:05:19. > :05:26.you food because you cannot feed your children. You're feeding the
:05:26. > :05:30.dog, feeding the birds, feeding the electricity meter with a tumble
:05:30. > :05:35.dryer, which costs the earth, and always did. You have got a
:05:35. > :05:40.television bigger than the one I have got. You know that stuff in
:05:41. > :05:46.there, my children's dad has to work 300 nights a year, to make
:05:46. > :05:50.sure that they have what they want. Well, why should they have what
:05:50. > :06:00.they want? Why can't they have the same as everyone else? Because you
:06:00. > :06:04.can't afford it. Clearly, Stacey and her family are facing a tough
:06:04. > :06:07.winter, like a lot of people. And the food parcels obviously make a
:06:07. > :06:12.big difference to their budget. But I reckon with a bit of tweaking,
:06:12. > :06:16.they could probably manage without. And they are certainly not starving,
:06:16. > :06:22.not in any sense that we might have understood in this country, say,
:06:22. > :06:26.100 years ago. I have come to this centre in Salford. Here, I can
:06:26. > :06:30.accept that some people, often through no fault of their own, find
:06:30. > :06:35.themselves struggling for things which most of us take for granted.
:06:35. > :06:39.Sister Rita-Caritas runs the centre. I had a woman came in and she just
:06:39. > :06:46.wanted something. She kept stuffing something into her mouth from the
:06:46. > :06:51.table, she said, I'm sorry, but I'm so hungry. What is that? You cannot
:06:51. > :06:54.live a good, comfortable life on benefits. Of course you can't. But
:06:54. > :07:02.the benefits are coming from other people who are struggling to pay
:07:02. > :07:06.their taxes, and we forget that. Edwina, come on! We are talking
:07:06. > :07:11.about a higher, better quality of life. Tough if they have to pay,
:07:11. > :07:16.sorry, but tough if they have to pay the taxes. We all have to do
:07:16. > :07:19.that. What kind of the country would it be if we were to let
:07:19. > :07:26.people struggle to such as an extent as I see them struggling
:07:26. > :07:30.here? With their mobile phones. With their mobile phones and their
:07:30. > :07:33.televisions. And I do not believe for one minute that you do not
:07:33. > :07:40.believe that people are struggling in this country, very badly, and
:07:40. > :07:45.that some of them, yes, are starving. The people I have met
:07:45. > :07:50.here today have to make some very tough choices, choices which I'm
:07:50. > :07:55.glad I do not have to make. Even though the questions I have put to
:07:55. > :08:03.them and to Sister Rita-Caritas may have seemed a bit harsh, I still
:08:03. > :08:08.think I'm basically right. Stacey has joined us - how did you feel
:08:08. > :08:12.when Edwina came to your house and started challenging you? She made
:08:12. > :08:16.me so mad, she just wasn't listening to me. She said when she
:08:17. > :08:20.left the house, they are not starving. I'm not saying we're
:08:20. > :08:25.starving, I am saying that without that centre, we would really
:08:25. > :08:31.struggle. Obviously, I'm not starving, but they do help. I have
:08:31. > :08:35.got three children. What would you do without that help? I would have
:08:35. > :08:40.to go into a job that I would not want, basically. Probably working
:08:40. > :08:45.more hours. But there are plenty of people doing jobs which they do not
:08:45. > :08:50.want to do. It is a choice many people have had to make. Yes, but
:08:50. > :08:55.I'm not going to be unhappy, I did it before, working so many hours a
:08:55. > :09:04.week, and I did not see my children. They do not see their dad much, so
:09:04. > :09:08.all they have got is me. Without the centre, I would be stuck.
:09:08. > :09:14.suppose a lot of people would think, working is not actually a choice,
:09:14. > :09:18.if you need to work, you should be working. What would you say? I want
:09:18. > :09:22.to work, it is not about sitting on your backside watching telly.
:09:22. > :09:26.Everybody wants to get out there, but everybody is struggling. And a
:09:27. > :09:30.lot of people do think, weighing up the pros and cons, it is not worth
:09:30. > :09:39.going out and losing time on your children, when you're not going to
:09:39. > :09:42.make any more money than what you are getting. Since Edwina's first
:09:42. > :09:47.appearance on Radio 5 Live, the debate has been carrying on, hasn't
:09:47. > :09:53.it? Yes, there was another debate in Birmingham over the weekend. One
:09:53. > :09:59.after another, people stood up to Edwina's proposition and said, we
:09:59. > :10:02.are seeing this kind of poverty which you're saying is not out
:10:02. > :10:06.there. There was no shortage of opposition, but Agamemnon's stuck
:10:06. > :10:10.to her guns. What we're talking about is a winter full of touch
:10:10. > :10:16.choices for people. Fuel bills, energy bills, food prices were down
:10:16. > :10:23.a little today, but up by 6% on last year. All rocketing. Energy
:10:23. > :10:26.bills, a increase of 21%. It is huge. People are talking about eat
:10:26. > :10:32.or heat. Those are the conversations people will be having
:10:32. > :10:38.this year. Disposable income on average is down by 8% to �163 per
:10:38. > :10:42.week. That is an average. So, the statistics are saying that there
:10:42. > :10:46.are tough times ahead for people. What I would say is, whether or not
:10:46. > :10:50.you agree with Edwina, if you want to do something positive, we know
:10:50. > :10:55.how generous people are in this country. See if there are food
:10:55. > :11:01.charities where you can donate food, so you're being proactive. Thank
:11:01. > :11:07.you both of you for coming in. is the fifth day of Matt's Rickshaw
:11:07. > :11:17.Challenge for Children In Need, and so far, he has done 293 miles, and
:11:17. > :11:20.
:11:20. > :11:26.he has raised... �515,581! More than half a million pounds, well
:11:26. > :11:32.done, Matt. Matt is currently on the road, south of Gainsborough.
:11:32. > :11:37.Let's hear from him. I am pushing on and pushing on, trying my very
:11:37. > :11:45.best to get to Lincoln for The One Show. But my progress is so much
:11:45. > :11:50.slower than I wanted it to be today. 78 miles is a lot of ground to
:11:50. > :11:55.cover on this. I am really feeling the fatigue of the last four days.
:11:55. > :12:01.I'm not sleeping very well, and my legs are shot, my knees have been
:12:01. > :12:07.the biggest issue today. But I'm going to do my best. I cannot make
:12:07. > :12:11.any promises. I can only apologise to the people in Lincoln, that I
:12:11. > :12:16.will be laid. I will get there, I will definitely, definitely get
:12:16. > :12:21.there. But this has been a very long day. Quite a lot of moaning,
:12:21. > :12:25.actually, this is what happened first thing. It was a big day
:12:25. > :12:35.yesterday. I did not think I was going to be able to get to York on
:12:35. > :12:39.time for the show. The thought of doing 78 miles on that thing is...
:12:39. > :12:45.But there's no time to rest, and with breakfast over, it is time to
:12:45. > :12:51.hit the road again. The last four days has just hit me like a...
:12:51. > :12:55.Trying to get the legs moving, but I have got sharp pain in the knees.
:12:55. > :13:00.Just half-a-mile in, the pain is too much, and he's forced to pull
:13:00. > :13:00.over for some physio. As rush-hour over for some physio. As rush-hour
:13:00. > :13:06.starts, he's back in the saddle, starts, he's back in the saddle,
:13:06. > :13:12.but the pain is intense. These muscles here have tightened up so
:13:12. > :13:17.much, and they're forcing my kneecap into the bone. Every
:13:17. > :13:24.revolution it is happening. As he reaches the halfway point of this
:13:24. > :13:30.incredible challenge, the children from one school lifted his spirits.
:13:31. > :13:34.Back on the road, he's feeling more optimistic. My knees have had a bit
:13:34. > :13:38.of treatment, we have got them strapped up, to keep them nice and
:13:38. > :13:43.warm, put some cream on as well, I have had some painkillers, we're
:13:43. > :13:49.just managing that pain, and getting through today. But there is
:13:49. > :13:55.just one thing on his mind. these people waiting out for me, to
:13:55. > :14:00.cheer me on and keep me going. I feel so bad that I cannot get to
:14:00. > :14:10.them when they are expecting me. is this amazing support that is
:14:10. > :14:12.
:14:12. > :14:17.keeping Matt going. Thank you very much indeed. Matt's 90-year-old
:14:17. > :14:23.granddad turned up to give him some encouragement. Just keep going, boy,
:14:23. > :14:33.you will do it. I think it is absolutely wonderful. He will do it,
:14:33. > :14:36.
:14:36. > :14:38.Absolutely fantastic. I would feel so guilty sitting in the back of
:14:39. > :14:48.that rickshaw, surely they should be doing something to help. But not
:14:49. > :15:09.
:15:09. > :15:17.allowed! To donate to Matt's Dermot. Let's talk about how great
:15:17. > :15:25.Matt's grandad looks. That is their family. He looks extraordinary.
:15:25. > :15:30.grandad could probably do the challenge. Saturday's the EU must
:15:30. > :15:33.be busy. They are always busy. have X-factor in the evening. You
:15:33. > :15:37.would have thought that requires some kind of rehearsal, but you
:15:37. > :15:43.have the radio show in the afternoon. Three hours of crucial
:15:43. > :15:46.rehearsal time. The Prix record a radio show while I am doing the X
:15:46. > :15:50.factor. We always have to say at the start of the radio show that it
:15:50. > :15:56.is pre-recorded. Normally, the radio show his life, but it is
:15:56. > :16:00.physically impossible during the X Factor. You always have these great
:16:00. > :16:08.artists, so we have compiled your favourite on to The Saturday
:16:08. > :16:13.Sessions 2011. Lots of great artists - Adele, Jessie J. On Radio
:16:13. > :16:20.2, it is a new music show. But that does not mean music you have never
:16:20. > :16:25.heard of. It was Jessie J's first session on Radio 2. A bell and Amy
:16:25. > :16:29.Winehouse did their first sessions on Radio 2 as well. So there are
:16:29. > :16:37.artists who have either done their own staff or acoustic covers, and
:16:37. > :16:42.we have put a CD out. It has been a pleasure to curate it. Will Young
:16:42. > :16:46.came on and did the Kate Bush song, running up that hill. That was only
:16:46. > :16:51.two months ago. We had nailed the songs we wanted, and then Will
:16:51. > :16:57.Young did this. We had to put it on. There are surprises as well, stuff
:16:57. > :17:02.people might not have heard of, but could dance with could cover songs.
:17:03. > :17:09.There is a great band called King creosote, who is a Scottish guy. He
:17:09. > :17:14.has done a cover of the 1980s song I've been losing you. And it is one
:17:14. > :17:20.of those things where you go, I remember this. And Jessie J is
:17:20. > :17:29.brilliant. You may discover loads of new bands, but now it is our
:17:29. > :17:35.turn. Get ready for some naturally gifted musicians.
:17:35. > :17:40.What do Beyonce, Kings of Leon, Lady Gaga and bird song all have in
:17:40. > :17:46.common? On the face of it, not much. But here in the Wye Valley, there
:17:46. > :17:51.is a music fanatic who seems to have discovered a surprising and
:17:51. > :17:56.catchy, and theme. Owen Thomas spends much of his spare time
:17:56. > :18:01.making music at his home in the Wye Valley. But last spring, he was
:18:01. > :18:10.woken by a striking birdsong that stood out above the rest. So he set
:18:10. > :18:15.out to record it. So there are some virtuoso performances being sung
:18:15. > :18:20.from up there? The entire orchard was awash with birdsong. It was
:18:20. > :18:25.amazing. But two birds absolutely stood out. After recording the
:18:25. > :18:30.birds, he enlarged the tempo of the song with some music software, and
:18:30. > :18:37.made quite a discovery. A amazingly, but bird was singing at One Punch
:18:38. > :18:43.and 27 beats per minute. So every minute, there were 127 beats.
:18:43. > :18:49.that a significant number? certainly is, because 127 is known
:18:49. > :18:53.as disco heaven. Throughout the '70s, every disco track was
:18:53. > :18:58.recorded at 127 beats per minute. Even today, that is the beat that
:18:58. > :19:02.artists such as Beyonce and Lady Gaga still record at. So we are
:19:02. > :19:10.calling this the disco bird, and it sends out the perfect tempo for
:19:10. > :19:18.dance music. 127 is the background beat, which vocalists sing in time
:19:18. > :19:27.with. But this man does not know enough about birds, so he want to
:19:27. > :19:33.find out who this mystery dancing or his. That is the bird.
:19:33. > :19:38.I thought instantly that I would know what it was. I am slightly
:19:38. > :19:44.stumped. It is almost a cross between two birds. It is either a
:19:44. > :19:50.blackbird or a song thrush. I am ashamed to say I am not sure. In my
:19:50. > :19:53.defence, blackbirds do sometimes mimic song thrushes. Outbreak quick
:19:53. > :20:00.phone a friend moment for confirmation, that was exactly what
:20:00. > :20:04.this one was doing. Thank you for your help. So it is definitely a
:20:04. > :20:14.blackbird, but I am desperate to hear Our birding Beyonce hit the
:20:14. > :20:17.
:20:17. > :20:23.beat. That bird is bang on. There she is. Even to my untrained ear,
:20:23. > :20:27.that sounds pretty good. I have been doing music for 30 plus years.
:20:27. > :20:32.That birdie is bang on the beat. Can I confirm that you have not
:20:32. > :20:36.manipulated the birdsong in any way? No, but the bird recording is
:20:36. > :20:42.exactly as Mother Nature made it. What is even more amazing is that
:20:42. > :20:47.our mimicking blackbird is not alone. He was so intrigued by this
:20:47. > :20:57.new source of talent that he tried other birds, too. Great tits are
:20:57. > :21:04.spot on the beat. Wood pigeons definitely are not. But song thrush
:21:05. > :21:14.is definitely are. So he has put together a track with all three
:21:15. > :21:16.
:21:16. > :21:22.Discoed birds. Great tit, classic. That is blackbird. Lovely. That's
:21:22. > :21:26.song thrush. And the story of the show is that bird, the blackbird
:21:26. > :21:35.that you identified. That bird is singing exactly in time, better
:21:35. > :21:40.than any human artist could hope to achieve.
:21:41. > :21:47.Not quite as good as the original Birdie Song. How can you say that?
:21:47. > :21:52.Oh, come on. We have got to talk X Factor. You have started doing a
:21:53. > :22:02.little dancer at the top of the show. It started off as a little
:22:03. > :22:17.
:22:17. > :22:22.There is no point looking embarrassed. You do know you are on
:22:22. > :22:26.the X factor, not Strictly, right? Is this going to become a full-
:22:26. > :22:31.blown routine? I hope not. We did it once for a laugh, and the
:22:31. > :22:36.producers said, want to do it again? One of the current affairs
:22:36. > :22:41.keeps coming up with these moves. - - one of the choreographer's has
:22:41. > :22:47.bullied me into it. But I have enjoyed it. This year's X-factor,
:22:47. > :22:52.you have got the bickering, the shock exits, like every year.
:22:52. > :22:57.almost feels that just as it is getting boring, somebody checks in
:22:57. > :23:01.a bickering grenade. It just seems to happen. Nobody has sat there
:23:01. > :23:07.going, I want to do this and I want to do that, especially with Simon
:23:07. > :23:13.in America. He keeps in touch. But we do just have the knack of it
:23:13. > :23:18.being a bit of a soap opera. Great show to work on. So much fun. When
:23:18. > :23:22.I was away last week in New York, I got back and Frankie had left, and
:23:22. > :23:29.we were going to vote in one of the acts who got kicked out in the
:23:29. > :23:32.first week. I was only away for three days! X Factor might be one
:23:32. > :23:37.of the biggest competitions to discover new stars, but it is by no
:23:37. > :23:40.means the first. Gyles Brandreth has unearthed a nationwide talent
:23:41. > :23:47.contest that was so long ago, even though we Wath was too young to
:23:47. > :23:51.judge it. -- Louis Walsh was too young to judge its.
:23:52. > :23:55.Like the Monarchs, there is no getting away from them. Yes, it
:23:55. > :23:58.seems the airwaves have been hijacked to feed the public's
:23:58. > :24:04.fascination with wannabes, desperate to achieve overnight fame
:24:04. > :24:08.and fortune. But the concept of a nationwide talent competition with
:24:08. > :24:14.celebrity judges is not, as many believe, the brainchild of one
:24:14. > :24:21.Simon Cowell. Oh, Nell. The first was held in the early 1920s, when
:24:21. > :24:26.they took the country by storm. 80,000 applicants wrote in. She yes,
:24:27. > :24:32.this was the X factor of the way before today's generation. At a
:24:32. > :24:35.time when American movies were captivating UK audiences, First
:24:35. > :24:39.National, a top Hollywood studio of the day, launched the competition
:24:39. > :24:45.in the popular Daily Sketch newspaper. There had never been a
:24:45. > :24:49.prize like it. Tell me about this competition. It was a competition
:24:49. > :24:54.to find a British film star, the grandest such competition of its
:24:54. > :24:58.age. There had been other competitions to have a part in a
:24:58. > :25:03.movie, but this was a chance to become the second lead in a
:25:03. > :25:10.Hollywood feature. Gripping the country for months, the judges were
:25:10. > :25:15.the It girls of the day, the talented sisters normal, Constance
:25:15. > :25:21.and Natalie, wife of Buster Keaton. From 80,000, it was narrowed down
:25:21. > :25:28.to the golden 100. Ultimately, the winner? Was a shop girl from
:25:28. > :25:31.Brixton, Margaret Leith. Her family are still loyal fans. If you look
:25:31. > :25:36.back at the pictures, she was pretty, but without being
:25:36. > :25:39.outstanding. She was a run-of-the- mill every day Bermondsey girl. But
:25:40. > :25:44.when people looked at her, they found something in her that others
:25:44. > :25:50.did not see. That was why everyone was so pleased for her to win
:25:50. > :25:54.something as big as that and go off and find her fortune. The newspaper
:25:54. > :25:59.headlines had made her famous even before the director shouted Action.
:25:59. > :26:05.National tours, shampoo ads, a crazy salary - was she would be?
:26:05. > :26:10.Anyhow, her whole life changed out of all recognition. She met Charlie
:26:10. > :26:13.Chaplin, hobnob with studio bosses and Hollywood's glitterati. This
:26:13. > :26:19.girl had arrived. But there was only one problem. With the
:26:19. > :26:29.excitement and razzmatazz of 1922's answer to Britain's Got Talent,
:26:29. > :26:29.
:26:29. > :26:35.something had been overlooked. Margaret Leigh had no talent.
:26:35. > :26:39.was screen tested. But sadly, she couldn't act at all. She could not
:26:39. > :26:43.walk in front of the camera or do anything. It required multiple
:26:43. > :26:49.takes to do the simplest action. The studio realised they had a
:26:49. > :26:54.problem on their hands. Reluctant to lose the massive British support
:26:54. > :26:58.and guaranteed movie audience, the sponsors decided Margaret had to
:26:58. > :27:03.star in at least one film. It fell to Buster Keaton, who agreed to
:27:03. > :27:08.take Margaret as his leading lady in her first and last film, the
:27:08. > :27:13.three edges. She kept a scrapbook of her Hollywood adventure and
:27:13. > :27:16.these wonderful headlines. But it is clear from some of the quotes
:27:16. > :27:20.that she was conscious of her own shortcomings when she got to
:27:20. > :27:25.Hollywood. Embarrassed by the number of retakes she had to do
:27:25. > :27:29.once the filming started. On the day the film was launched, she
:27:29. > :27:34.issued this, almost an apology. will see tonight my first picture.
:27:34. > :27:38.I am very unhappy as I look around me, as I'm afraid you will think I
:27:38. > :27:43.have not been worthy of you. Actually, the film turned out to be
:27:43. > :27:48.a success on both sides of the Atlantic. 100 years on, the critics
:27:48. > :27:53.are reasonably kind to Margaret. And the film itself is regarded as
:27:53. > :27:58.one of Buster Keaton's masterpieces. Margaret may have been the first to
:27:58. > :28:06.find instant fame from a talent competition, but human nature being
:28:06. > :28:10.what it is, she certainly will not be the last.
:28:10. > :28:13.The latest matt news - he is 10 miles from Lincoln. He will get
:28:13. > :28:18.there. Here is a message from those waiting to greet him when he
:28:18. > :28:25.arrives. We are the link ingest cheerleaders, and we are behind you.
:28:25. > :28:35.Keep going! Come on, Matt, you can do it! You have the whole of
:28:35. > :28:37.
:28:37. > :28:44.Lincolnshire behind you. Come on, Matt! Bakery is ready to go! -- bid
:28:44. > :28:46.to go! Come on, Matt! Tomorrow, he will be leaving Lincoln at 6am,
:28:47. > :28:50.cycling through Metheringham, then down through the village of
:28:50. > :29:00.Heckington. He will then continue via Spalding and hopefully arrived
:29:00. > :29:15.
:29:15. > :29:19.at Peterborough around 7pm. Please That is all for tonight. That you