0:00:12 > 0:00:16with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones. Tonight we are joined by a couple we
0:00:16 > 0:00:23did not expect to be working together. After all, he was not that
0:00:23 > 0:00:29keen about her the last time he was on here. Lisa Riley? I have put her
0:00:29 > 0:00:35just above. I don't know, I think she might be our sort of possible
0:00:35 > 0:00:45comedy moment. Yeah, maybe!A sort of Ann Widdecombe thing. It is Craig
0:00:45 > 0:00:47
0:00:47 > 0:00:54Revel Horwood and possible comedy Sorry, that was a bit of a...
0:00:54 > 0:00:59proved them wrong! You get an absolutely fine now, like a house on
0:00:59 > 0:01:04fire. Absolutely! It is really good. Have you seen all the Brucie news in
0:01:04 > 0:01:06the paper? Please, he is leading entertainment in this country, do
0:01:06 > 0:01:11you think he would miss the opportunity of performing live in
0:01:11 > 0:01:18front of 4 million people just to son himself in Barbados? I don't
0:01:18 > 0:01:23think so. It did say that he might come back to his Strictly duties.
0:01:23 > 0:01:28really don't think so. I know he took one week off last year, but I
0:01:28 > 0:01:34cannot see him leaving. He is the trademark for the programme, isn't
0:01:34 > 0:01:40he? He is Strictly. He is the last of a dying breed, you know, he
0:01:40 > 0:01:43really is, full long variety entertainer. There you go. You both
0:01:43 > 0:01:50are still living the Strictly dream, and we will be revealing all later
0:01:50 > 0:01:53on. All very exciting! Shortly we will be getting the latest on the
0:01:53 > 0:01:58explosions in Boston, talking to Iwan Thomas, who is training for
0:01:58 > 0:02:02London marathon, and a former police officer, Martin Bayfield. The police
0:02:02 > 0:02:09used a whole array of techniques to track down perpetrators, and Marton
0:02:09 > 0:02:12has been investigating one of the latest forensic techniques.
0:02:12 > 0:02:17This trade in Stoke-on-Trent was the scene of a house fire that shocked
0:02:17 > 0:02:20the local community. When the fire brigade arrived they discovered a
0:02:20 > 0:02:30father and two children have escaped the blaze. Tragically, the mother
0:02:30 > 0:02:32
0:02:32 > 0:02:36to firefighters how he had saved his two children and battled the flames
0:02:36 > 0:02:42to rescue his wife Amanda from the loft bedroom, but it was to no
0:02:42 > 0:02:47avail, she had died in the blaze. But like the recent high profile
0:02:47 > 0:02:49Philpott case in which six children died, when the emergency services
0:02:49 > 0:02:57started to investigate the fire, certain things just did not stack
0:02:57 > 0:03:03up. The Fire Brigade went into the premises, and they realised her body
0:03:03 > 0:03:07was not in a natural position. She had been incapacitated in some way,
0:03:07 > 0:03:11and the fire had been tampered with. Tests showed that the blaze had not
0:03:11 > 0:03:18killed Amanda. She was already dead when the fire began. This left
0:03:18 > 0:03:20police with a number of questions, how and when had she died?
0:03:20 > 0:03:27Throughout the day, more than a dozen text messages were sent from
0:03:27 > 0:03:30her phone, the last one at 7:48pm in the evening. When family members
0:03:30 > 0:03:35read the messages, they thought something was wrong. The text did
0:03:35 > 0:03:41not look like they had been written by Amanda. Could they give a clue as
0:03:41 > 0:03:44to what had happened that day? Detectives began to question
0:03:44 > 0:03:48Christopher's story. Could it be possible that he had murdered his
0:03:48 > 0:03:55own wife and used her mobile phone to send text messages to cover his
0:03:55 > 0:03:59tracks? Police needed expert help. So they came to linguistics
0:03:59 > 0:04:03specialist Dr Tim Grant. When he is not teaching, he works with police
0:04:03 > 0:04:06forces from all over the UK. He analyses the use of language and
0:04:06 > 0:04:13written documents, everything from e-mails to letters to group who
0:04:13 > 0:04:19wrote them. -- prove. Staffordshire police asked him to look at the text
0:04:19 > 0:04:23sent from the phone. Could he establish who had written them?
0:04:23 > 0:04:26first thing you need to do is establish what is consistent in each
0:04:26 > 0:04:31of the text in styles, and you need a large collection of messages for
0:04:31 > 0:04:35each of them. For Amanda, her phone was destroyed in the fire, so the
0:04:35 > 0:04:41police had to collect those messages from friends and work colleagues and
0:04:41 > 0:04:45family members, and they collected a set of 200 messages. We had a
0:04:45 > 0:04:50similar set of 200 text messages from Christopher Berks. Tim got to
0:04:50 > 0:04:54work scrutinising the text in styles used by Christopher and Amanda. So
0:04:54 > 0:04:57we have got some examples of the disputed text messages that
0:04:57 > 0:05:02Christopher claims Amanda sent. What is it about them that leads out to
0:05:02 > 0:05:10you? We have got this first message, sent at about one o'clock. This
0:05:10 > 0:05:13message says, not sure yet, I am just talking with Chris. We have the
0:05:13 > 0:05:19spelling which is typical of Christopher's style. And we have the
0:05:20 > 0:05:24spelling of with, which is also a Christopher style beach that only he
0:05:24 > 0:05:33uses. So that was at one o'clock. We then roll on, the clock is ticking,
0:05:33 > 0:05:41there is another text. This spelling is definitely a Christopher feature,
0:05:41 > 0:05:44he only spells it that way. analysed more texts sent from
0:05:44 > 0:05:50Amanda's bone that day. He concluded that Christopher probably wrote all
0:05:50 > 0:05:54of them. Was there a time where suddenly they started to appear?
0:05:54 > 0:06:01Yes, after 12:39pm there are no messages that you would attribute to
0:06:01 > 0:06:03Amanda. So detectives believe that he probably killed his wife some
0:06:03 > 0:06:09time before 12:39pm in the afternoon, and later that night he
0:06:09 > 0:06:15set fire to the house to cover his tracks. Forensic linguistics was
0:06:15 > 0:06:19crucial to helping police solve the case. It is important because it
0:06:19 > 0:06:25shows a full picture of what happened. There was some sort of
0:06:25 > 0:06:29planning post Amanda being murdered to try to cover his tracks. Although
0:06:29 > 0:06:33he initially pleaded not guilty to murder, when prosecutors put all the
0:06:33 > 0:06:37evidence to him, he changed his plea to guilty on the first day of his
0:06:38 > 0:06:42trial. Christopher Berks must surely have thought he got away with
0:06:42 > 0:06:48murder, but he was nailed by his own words and is now serving a minimum
0:06:48 > 0:06:53of 19 years in prison. Proof that techniques like that are
0:06:53 > 0:06:56vital, and all eyes will be on the capital for bomb threat this week,
0:06:56 > 0:07:02but tech we sought there have been used to deal with previous threads,
0:07:02 > 0:07:06haven't they? Yes, and Dr Tim Grant, who we sought there, was
0:07:06 > 0:07:11called in by the police a few years ago to try to a nurse who was
0:07:11 > 0:07:15responsible for a bomb threat in London. Police had a guy in custody,
0:07:15 > 0:07:21Dhiren Barot, and they got hold of some plans, they thought this guy
0:07:21 > 0:07:25was going to plant gas canisters in cars around the capital, but they
0:07:25 > 0:07:29could not link the two. He got hold of some letters that he knew Dhiren
0:07:29 > 0:07:33Barot had written, compared them with the plans that they had got. It
0:07:33 > 0:07:37took him 36 hours to piece it all together and he said, in all
0:07:37 > 0:07:42probability, he wrote those plans. The guy was found guilty, a crucial
0:07:42 > 0:07:45part of it, piecing it altogether. It is going to be a particularly
0:07:45 > 0:07:48busy day for the Metropolitan Police over the next few days with the
0:07:48 > 0:07:53funeral tomorrow and the London Marathon on Sunday, are there
0:07:53 > 0:07:56substantial measures in place to keep the capital safe? Well, there
0:07:56 > 0:08:01will be. Listening to the Metropolitan Police commissioner,
0:08:01 > 0:08:05they are putting more officers on the ground. There is huge experience
0:08:05 > 0:08:09from the London Olympics. Of course. Baroness Thatcher's funeral as well.
0:08:09 > 0:08:13But the big thing is, at the moment there is no specific threat, but
0:08:13 > 0:08:16police are saying they will be doing everything they can to make sure
0:08:16 > 0:08:20that the public is safe, but they are also asking the public to do
0:08:20 > 0:08:25what they can to make their job a lot easier. So don't leave bags
0:08:25 > 0:08:31lying around, don't cause trouble, don't drag policeman away for petty
0:08:31 > 0:08:35problems when their aim is to make sure everyone is safe. Iwan, like
0:08:35 > 0:08:39many others, you have been putting in enormous effort for the weekend,
0:08:39 > 0:08:42are you worried? What was your reaction when you saw Boston?
0:08:42 > 0:08:47Shock, devastation and sadness, my heart goes out to everyone in
0:08:47 > 0:08:52Boston. I then thought, what about London? Will lightning strike
0:08:52 > 0:08:56twice? I think we have got to stand strong as a nation, I am definitely
0:08:56 > 0:09:00going to compete, I'm going to be there, I have trained so hard, I am
0:09:00 > 0:09:06raising money for charity, and that is the sad thing. There is evil
0:09:06 > 0:09:11people in this world, we have seen that in Boston, how can you police a
0:09:11 > 0:09:1626.2 mile route? It is open.That is the joy of London, the people who
0:09:16 > 0:09:20come out to support you, so, like Martin said, you need the public to
0:09:20 > 0:09:24be vigilant, and hopefully people will not be deterred, and as a
0:09:24 > 0:09:29nation we need to come together and be strong. What is the latest news
0:09:29 > 0:09:33on a marathon? There is a campaign in place. The organisers have said
0:09:33 > 0:09:39we are going to have a 32nd silence at the beginning, and everybody who
0:09:39 > 0:09:43picks up their race pack will get a black ribbon to wear in memory and
0:09:43 > 0:09:47respect of Boston. I've heard people don't buy Boston Red Sox tops, they
0:09:47 > 0:09:52are all sold out, because want to show support. Sport is a great thing
0:09:52 > 0:09:57to bring people together, and hopefully in London we can do Boston
0:09:57 > 0:10:06crowd. Good luck on Sunday, and thank you again. Very quickly, what
0:10:06 > 0:10:09time are you going for? Oh! Between 3.40 and four hours. Go for it!
0:10:09 > 0:10:15the next two days Ruth Goodman will be going on a very moving real-life
0:10:15 > 0:10:20journey into the past. She will be hearing the story of people who were
0:10:20 > 0:10:23treated in ways that would now be thought of as barbaric.
0:10:23 > 0:10:26It is views like these that make the Brecon Beacons in south Wales a
0:10:26 > 0:10:31popular holiday spot, but this stunning landscape was once seen
0:10:31 > 0:10:34through very different eyes. Between 1922 and 1959, hundreds and hundreds
0:10:34 > 0:10:39of children were brought here, separated from their families not
0:10:39 > 0:10:47just for days or weeks, but in some cases for years on end. All in the
0:10:47 > 0:10:50name of a duo. -- AQ. This Castle was a sanatorium, a remote haven
0:10:50 > 0:10:54where children were taken to recuperate from tobacco loses, a
0:10:54 > 0:10:59disease that was killing tens of thousands of people in the early
0:10:59 > 0:11:0720th century. -- tuberculosis. Sanatorium's were often the only
0:11:08 > 0:11:11option before antibiotics. You were placed in an environment where you
0:11:11 > 0:11:14could be able to heal. The big problem is that you are isolating
0:11:14 > 0:11:24people from their families and friends, perhaps for years at a
0:11:24 > 0:11:28time. Over 40 years, hundreds of children were treated here. Roy
0:11:28 > 0:11:32spent 18 months at the Castle. He arrived here when he was three.
0:11:32 > 0:11:36was such a long journey, it seemed to take all day. I remember when I
0:11:37 > 0:11:42got out of the vehicle and I saw the side of this Castle, it was a bit
0:11:42 > 0:11:47frightening, you know, it was a big building. Ann Peters was 11 when she
0:11:47 > 0:11:52came and spend two years. I was put to bed, my mother said goodbye and
0:11:52 > 0:11:55she was gone and that was it. not believe she was going to go. My
0:11:55 > 0:12:05mother started saying, I will have to go back and look after your
0:12:05 > 0:12:05
0:12:06 > 0:12:10brothers. I was in Ward two, it was a huge room. When I first went in, I
0:12:10 > 0:12:16was behind the door, I couldn't see anything, I didn't like it there.
0:12:16 > 0:12:19were the same group all the time, now and again a new person would
0:12:19 > 0:12:25come in. Sometimes someone would pass away in the night, you would
0:12:25 > 0:12:31say, where has Dave gone? They would say, his mum came for him. With no
0:12:31 > 0:12:37queue up for TV, the treatments, while at the ministered with the
0:12:37 > 0:12:39best of intentions, were undeniably harsh. -- cue for TV. They included
0:12:39 > 0:12:47immobilisation, forcing active children to lie flat on backs day
0:12:47 > 0:12:52and night. Pamela was eight years old when she was admitted. I have
0:12:52 > 0:12:57plaster of Paris from my head to my feet so I could not move. I could
0:12:57 > 0:13:04move my hands, that was it for two and a half years. I had to lie flat
0:13:04 > 0:13:07on my back, I did venture up on my elbow one day, and the doctor found
0:13:07 > 0:13:12me and said, if she caught me doing it again, I would be put in plaster
0:13:12 > 0:13:17of Paris and taken upstairs to be looked after in her room. She
0:13:17 > 0:13:20frightened me so much I never sat up. Cold, fresh air was thought to
0:13:21 > 0:13:25be curative, so the sickest children actually lived outside on the
0:13:25 > 0:13:31balcony. They were never brought indoors, and some spent years
0:13:31 > 0:13:37outside in all weathers. At the front there was a railing and a
0:13:37 > 0:13:44glass roof and Nottingham, just the elements. It was so cold, I can only
0:13:44 > 0:13:49remember the cold and the wind. Rain, shine, snow, everything, you
0:13:49 > 0:13:53would have a tarpaulin to put over your bed to keep it dry. The birds
0:13:53 > 0:14:03used to come in, robins and sparrows. You would throw crumbs to
0:14:03 > 0:14:03
0:14:03 > 0:14:07them, they would just come onto the bed, they would hop on your hand.
0:14:07 > 0:14:13Nurses and doctors, I had a big smile on my face, they say I loved
0:14:13 > 0:14:21it, but I hated it! In hindsight, we know that none of the treatments
0:14:21 > 0:14:24were really very helpful. That is quite a sad thing to have to admit.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27Today an active tuberculosis infection can be treated with a
0:14:27 > 0:14:33course of antibiotics, but the powerful memories of those were
0:14:33 > 0:14:37experienced a very different treatment are still with us, and it
0:14:37 > 0:14:40is not just memories that survive. The Castle still stands today, and
0:14:40 > 0:14:44tomorrow we will be going inside with some of the former patients who
0:14:44 > 0:14:54were treated here. We will hear more fascinating stories from a radically
0:14:54 > 0:15:10
0:15:10 > 0:15:16I love anything like that. I've just done Waterloo Road and my
0:15:16 > 0:15:21character has TB. You are back on the road with a brand new show
0:15:21 > 0:15:25about Strictly, but give us an idea about how the show goes? People go
0:15:25 > 0:15:32to the tour, but what people don't know is what goes on behind the
0:15:32 > 0:15:36scenes. You two were in it, you know everything. We do! We are
0:15:36 > 0:15:40going to lift the lid on that. very much - it's your personal
0:15:40 > 0:15:45journey and you are playing yourself in this and Craig, this
0:15:45 > 0:15:50was your idea? I thought it could go on another journey. I know we
0:15:50 > 0:15:54use that word a lot, but you've had a fantastic and amazing and
0:15:54 > 0:15:58incredible life as well and you had to deal with your mother's death
0:15:58 > 0:16:02two weeks before you went on to do Strictly and you don't shy away
0:16:02 > 0:16:06from that. You don't shy away from that then? No, when the show was
0:16:06 > 0:16:11going on, I didn't want it mentioned at all. It was in the
0:16:11 > 0:16:16papers, but I wouldn't want anyone to think to vote for me because of
0:16:16 > 0:16:22my mum and she would have hated that. I did it in a courageous way
0:16:22 > 0:16:31and thanks to Craig's writing we will embrace my mum's life through
0:16:31 > 0:16:34dance and music. It's a dance spectacular that has a gear to it.
0:16:34 > 0:16:39It gives the professional dancers, and Ian Waite, who people haven't
0:16:39 > 0:16:46seen on the telly for a year or so and it's great to see him with
0:16:46 > 0:16:50Natalie and they'll do all the ballroom and Artem, who is going to
0:16:51 > 0:16:55be your Robin Windsor. It's not a bad thing. They've tried the
0:16:55 > 0:17:00dancing and it's great. We have a lot of ten fantastic performers,
0:17:00 > 0:17:06five of which play the instruments and sing and dance and they act.
0:17:06 > 0:17:10It's going to be interesting seeing Artem doing his acting. They've all
0:17:10 > 0:17:14got dialogue and it's telling their life story of how he grew up in
0:17:14 > 0:17:19Russia and got to America and finally ended up on the series and
0:17:19 > 0:17:29what happens back stage. They get nervous. Does Artem get to do what
0:17:29 > 0:17:33
0:17:33 > 0:17:43Robin did so fantastically. Let's # You better think
0:17:43 > 0:17:44
0:17:44 > 0:17:48# What you're going to do to me... APPLAUSE
0:17:48 > 0:17:53It took us a while to get there. Does eget to jump into your arms?
0:17:53 > 0:17:58He will be jumping in my arms, yeah. It's that exact routine. I can't
0:17:58 > 0:18:04wait to see the transfer. That's why we have called it Strictly
0:18:04 > 0:18:09Confidential. It's confidential information about the personal
0:18:09 > 0:18:15lives and it comes to a head in a series of dance routines. It's not
0:18:15 > 0:18:19ballroom and Latin, but All That Jazz and musical theatre. Yeah.
0:18:20 > 0:18:24It's loaded? Shakespeare. It's going to be great fun. You have
0:18:24 > 0:18:30outfits on display. All of that. That's live on stage. That is the
0:18:30 > 0:18:35cha-cha one. Any excuse for the costumes. We love the sparkle.Good
0:18:35 > 0:18:41luck with it all. Thank you.For years, the professional dancers on
0:18:41 > 0:18:47Strictly have worked their magic, teaching certain contestants how to
0:18:47 > 0:18:53appear graceful and in time. Not me, I was a natural, wasn't I Craig?
0:18:53 > 0:18:56You were indeed. How do you get the same result out of a horse?
0:18:56 > 0:19:00Brilliant. Cheers, Bruno. That was fantastic.
0:19:00 > 0:19:06LAUGHTER For thousands of years, controlling
0:19:06 > 0:19:14a horse in battle was a matter of life or death. A single wrong step
0:19:14 > 0:19:21would spell disaster. As such, porst manship -- horsemanship
0:19:21 > 0:19:26involved into an armform. But as the centuries passed, these knights
0:19:26 > 0:19:31on horseback became wealthy courtiers and it symbolised not
0:19:31 > 0:19:35just a riders talent as a soldier, but his status as a gentleman. The
0:19:35 > 0:19:41leaps and bounds that had once saved a soldier's neck now drew
0:19:41 > 0:19:45excited gasps from the Lords and ladies. So, what began as a water-
0:19:45 > 0:19:50time survival, slowly transformed into a more peaceful performance,
0:19:50 > 0:19:54known today as dressage. It was at the London 2012 Games that the
0:19:54 > 0:20:04British public witnessed the climax to this journey of animal mastery,
0:20:04 > 0:20:08
0:20:08 > 0:20:12when the UK won gold. It was here in Derbyshire during the 17th
0:20:12 > 0:20:16century that the art of horsemanship first made its way off
0:20:16 > 0:20:22the battlefields and on to the lawns of the English country house.
0:20:22 > 0:20:27Boll sover was rebuilt by William Cavendish, the Duke of Newcastle.
0:20:27 > 0:20:33As horse master to King George II, he was a great lover of the animals
0:20:33 > 0:20:37and devoted his home to their training. This is now just one of
0:20:37 > 0:20:41four schools of classical dressage in the world. This is not your aver
0:20:41 > 0:20:46rang riding arena? It's so impressive. If you step further
0:20:46 > 0:20:50back, you can get an even more fantastic view of it. Look at the
0:20:50 > 0:20:55size of it. It's one of the grandest stables you can imagine.
0:20:55 > 0:21:01Tell me did Cavendish. He sounds colourful. How can one describe
0:21:01 > 0:21:09him? Fantastic. Born into an age in 1593 and grew up being trained in
0:21:09 > 0:21:13the arts, art of riding horses, and he took it one stage further and
0:21:13 > 0:21:16really provided a transitional period from being a battle
0:21:16 > 0:21:20manoeuvre into something much more refined and a gentleman's pursuit.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23It's more than 300 years since classical dressage has been
0:21:24 > 0:21:29performed publicly here at the castle, but all that is about to
0:21:29 > 0:21:34change. As a world-famous riding school re-opens its doors to the
0:21:34 > 0:21:44public. Preparing for that is the modern-day horse master, Alan
0:21:44 > 0:21:48Larson. Menage as it was known then or dressage as it is known now, is
0:21:48 > 0:21:53the ultimate co-operation between the horse and rider. In the 15th
0:21:53 > 0:21:59and 16th centuries it had been all about breaking the horse's spirit.
0:21:59 > 0:22:05There had been ridiculous techniques involving hedgehogs on
0:22:05 > 0:22:09the end of polls and using them to provoke the course. Cavendish
0:22:09 > 0:22:13worked with the horse. His methods were about empathy with the horse.
0:22:13 > 0:22:21He writes about the way in which you pet a horse, or certain words
0:22:21 > 0:22:26that you use with it. It is said that when he entered the stables
0:22:26 > 0:22:30his horses would whinney in delight as he recognised him. How on earth
0:22:30 > 0:22:35can something so beautiful evolve from what was happening on the
0:22:35 > 0:22:40battlefield? A lot of modern manoeuvres in dressage, even a
0:22:40 > 0:22:44simple half-pass, or being able to turn, was incredibly helpful in
0:22:44 > 0:22:48getting the drop on your opponent. Today, especially for the One Show
0:22:48 > 0:22:51and ahead of the grand re-opening, this is the first time that
0:22:51 > 0:23:01classical dressage is going to be performed at the castle for over
0:23:01 > 0:23:10
0:23:10 > 0:23:14300 years. Thank you very much. Today, thanks to no small part to
0:23:14 > 0:23:21William Cavendish, the Duke of Newcastle, horsemanship have moved
0:23:21 > 0:23:28from battlefield to big screen, a sport for kings gone global. I can
0:23:28 > 0:23:32see you doing that. I love a bit.I like the dancing. We can do it in
0:23:32 > 0:23:36the opening. Lovely.The poor horse. Having me on it. It's not fair!
0:23:36 > 0:23:41Well, guess what, though, horses aren't the only animals that can
0:23:41 > 0:23:44dance. It's true.If you would like to give some scores and comments on
0:23:45 > 0:23:50the following performances, that would be much appreciated. First up,
0:23:50 > 0:23:53what about this bird of paradise, wielding its cape in the paso doble.
0:23:53 > 0:24:01I'm loving the cape action, darling. You can't deny that. The woman
0:24:01 > 0:24:06should be the cape and that lovely bird is being a fantastic matador.
0:24:06 > 0:24:10I think the technique there is absolutely sensational and it does
0:24:10 > 0:24:16remind me of some your dancing actually. Thank you, Craig. I
0:24:16 > 0:24:22thought it was brilliant. Next, dancing the foxtrot we have a
0:24:22 > 0:24:29delightful pair of Clarks Grebes. Look at that. Look at the posture.
0:24:29 > 0:24:33High in the chest. Beautiful. All the heel leads. I thought about
0:24:33 > 0:24:42Alex here. You and James. fantastic unison. That is what it's
0:24:42 > 0:24:48all about. Grace, style, elegance and beauty. You've got all.
0:24:48 > 0:24:54Matching costumes. If only I was as good the the goose. It's not a
0:24:54 > 0:25:03goose. I tell you what, this is my favourite. What about this flai
0:25:03 > 0:25:10buoyant creature? -- flamboyant creature? Oh, no.Is that you?
0:25:10 > 0:25:17Sadly. This is for international os procyst. This is boogy for --
0:25:17 > 0:25:21osteoporosis and this is the campaign, boogy for the campaign. -
0:25:21 > 0:25:26- Boogie for the campaign. It's the hairstyle. Look at that. You've
0:25:26 > 0:25:31been very honest, so you have to give a mark for yourself out of ten.
0:25:31 > 0:25:34Well, ten obviously. You know I'm always honest. Speaking of tens,
0:25:34 > 0:25:39tomorrow morning from 10am the world's media will broadcast the
0:25:39 > 0:25:43funeral of former, Baroness Thatcher. -- Prime Minister,
0:25:43 > 0:25:47Baroness Thatcher. Tonight we catch a different side of the Iron Lady,
0:25:47 > 0:25:54one from behind the cameras. Richard Stone and I've painted Lady
0:25:54 > 0:26:02Thatcher's pore trait six times. -- portrait six times. This is the
0:26:02 > 0:26:06last portrayal. This sitting took place in a in the garden of the
0:26:06 > 0:26:12Royal Hospital Chelsea, where her ashes will be scattered. We decided
0:26:12 > 0:26:17to work with the title Retirement. She did give me one of her sort of
0:26:17 > 0:26:24steely gazes and said, "Retirement?". It's not the
0:26:24 > 0:26:29portrait of a Prime Minister any more. This is a portrait of an
0:26:29 > 0:26:39elderly lady in her twilight years but I think it captures that aspect
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0:26:40 > 0:26:44of Lady Thatcher that very few people ever saw. The first time I
0:26:44 > 0:26:48met Lady Thatcher, of course, I was nervous. The very fact that I
0:26:48 > 0:26:54didn't spill paint on the carpet and I was on time. We got along
0:26:54 > 0:27:02then. Actually, the conversations that we Peteed itself so often was
0:27:02 > 0:27:07the joys of home cooking. I took along my wife's recipe for we'll sh
0:27:07 > 0:27:11rarebit and we include beer in ours and Lady Thatcher thought for a
0:27:11 > 0:27:21moment and said, "I don't think we have any beer in the house. Will it
0:27:21 > 0:27:22
0:27:22 > 0:27:28still work with gin?". There was more serious talk about the
0:27:28 > 0:27:32violence and she was trying to explain the SAS invasion at the
0:27:32 > 0:27:35Falklands. She would get the teapots and cups on the table and
0:27:35 > 0:27:45she would get extremely emotional and there would be a catch in her
0:27:45 > 0:27:48voice and sometimes close to tears, recalling the very difficult times.
0:27:48 > 0:27:55Here's a photograph of the very first picture. I wanted to get
0:27:56 > 0:28:01really the fire behind the ierz. It was that sort of -- eyes. It was
0:28:01 > 0:28:05that sort of steeliness that one wanted to get. He pleased he hugely
0:28:05 > 0:28:13when she took a long look at the picture and said, "It is at one
0:28:13 > 0:28:17would like to be remembered." What a hell of a compliment. That is a
0:28:17 > 0:28:22compliment. Thank you so much, Richard. You two have both sat for
0:28:23 > 0:28:29portraits yourselves, haven't you? I did mine in drag. Of course. Have
0:28:29 > 0:28:34you got it at home? It's at my mum's house. In which room?In the
0:28:34 > 0:28:39livingroom, above the fire place. Where else would it be with me
0:28:39 > 0:28:43looking delicious? What about you? They did me as Audrey Hepburn, the
0:28:43 > 0:28:48famous picture and it was my face. I really enjoyed it and it was nice
0:28:48 > 0:28:53to see it. Is it a photograph or a painting? A painting. It's at my
0:28:53 > 0:28:58house. Not above the fire place. Well, that's it for tonight.