:00:18. > :00:24.Hello and welcome to the One Show and Gabby Logan. And Matt Baker, and
:00:25. > :00:28.tonight's guest is not just a rock and roll legend, he is a force of
:00:29. > :00:34.nature. A member of the biggest rock and roll band in the world, still
:00:35. > :00:37.playing to sell-out crowds. He is an internationally renowned artist
:00:38. > :00:42.still producing work at a prolific rate. Ease a dad and six,
:00:43. > :00:45.grandfather of six, and he's just celebrated his 70th birthday. It is
:00:46. > :01:00.of course Ronnie Wood! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
:01:01. > :01:03.Well, hello! And in your 70th year, I imagine that was a big party.
:01:04. > :01:09.Yeah, it was. LAUGHTER
:01:10. > :01:14.A bit of a cloud at the time for me, because I was still under
:01:15. > :01:19.anaesthetic, but I am here to talk about it. Was it as wild as those
:01:20. > :01:25.parties back in the day? There were some people I had not seen for
:01:26. > :01:33.years, it was a surprise body, really nice. And of all the places
:01:34. > :01:38.you have been, what kind of presence came your way that day? Wow, that is
:01:39. > :01:47.a good question, because I think I left most of them there! Debbie! I
:01:48. > :01:53.am coming back for those presents! My son Tyrone knows I collect
:01:54. > :02:00.walking sticks, a little bit more pungent, another state for you, dad!
:02:01. > :02:07.Is that for your country walks? It is a beautiful Dick, actually,
:02:08. > :02:10.silver and maple. Anyway, I got some really interesting presence, but I
:02:11. > :02:17.won't go into that right now! I am sure you got loads of lovely paints,
:02:18. > :02:22.because you are here to talk about your wonderful artwork. And you are
:02:23. > :02:27.not the only musical legend we are celebrating tonight, 40 years ago
:02:28. > :02:36.today we lost the King, others Pressley. We will be talking about
:02:37. > :02:44.your book later. You also be just some of the set lists that you do
:02:45. > :02:49.for the Stones, and you have done one for tonight! Tell us what is
:02:50. > :02:55.coming up next right, I think the next category is naming and shaming,
:02:56. > :02:58.it remains to be seen. We will pop that therefore now, because earlier
:02:59. > :03:04.this year we revealed how Debenhams was paying some of its workers less
:03:05. > :03:09.than the national minimum wage, putting it right at the top of the
:03:10. > :03:14.Government's name and shame list. Now another high street favourite
:03:15. > :03:17.has been found selling its staff short.
:03:18. > :03:21.First it was Debenhams, named and shamed as the worst offender for
:03:22. > :03:26.failing to pay nearly 12,000 workers the national minimum wage. Well,
:03:27. > :03:30.Debenhams may have cleaned up its act, but six months on, the
:03:31. > :03:34.Government has brought out a new list of minimum wage offenders. And
:03:35. > :03:41.the news from the high street still isn't very good. This time, 233
:03:42. > :03:46.employees across the UK have been outed for not paying the national
:03:47. > :03:52.minimum wage, and the One Show can now exclusively reveal that it is
:03:53. > :03:58.retail giants Argos who are top of the list. The catalogue store and
:03:59. > :04:06.are paid just over 12,000 members of staff, a staggering 1.5 million,
:04:07. > :04:10.between 2012 and 2016. -- underpaid. It is the biggest and the payment
:04:11. > :04:14.since the Government started naming and shaming in 2013. They have had
:04:15. > :04:23.to pay every penny back to its workers, on top of a 1.4 million
:04:24. > :04:27.fine from HMRC. But is it enough to stop it happening again? The purpose
:04:28. > :04:32.of naming and shaming is to force businesses to publicly put their
:04:33. > :04:36.houses in order, but it only works, of course, if Argos customers give a
:04:37. > :04:41.monkey's. So do they? Would you still shop there if you knew that
:04:42. > :04:48.Argos were not meeting their obligations on the minimum wage? No!
:04:49. > :04:54.Over that is quite astounding. I wouldn't stop there if it was a
:04:55. > :04:57.problem. The way it has been done, the low-paid, it is a big deal. It
:04:58. > :05:05.is something the unions feel strongly about. Matt Striker from
:05:06. > :05:10.Unite says age and never happen. It is disgusting, when I find out there
:05:11. > :05:16.has been a failure to pay out, large companies failing to pay the minimum
:05:17. > :05:21.wage, yet they don't fail to pay the CEO, the main directors,
:05:22. > :05:27.astronomical wages. It is people living on the breadline, the minimum
:05:28. > :05:32.wage is there for a reason. Argos was taken over by Sainsbury's last
:05:33. > :05:36.year. We asked them for an interview, but they declined.
:05:37. > :05:42.Instead, they sent us a statement. A Sainsbury's spokesperson said, we
:05:43. > :05:45.were made aware of the issue shortly after buying Argos and worked with
:05:46. > :05:49.HMRC to resolve it as quickly as possible. They wanted to assure us
:05:50. > :05:53.that Sainsbury's prides itself on being a trusted brand where people
:05:54. > :05:57.love to work, and they said processors have been updated to
:05:58. > :06:06.ensure this cannot happen again. Good for them. But Argos is far from
:06:07. > :06:12.being alone on the government blacklist. Underpayment are still a
:06:13. > :06:15.problem. Margot James is the under Secretary of State for the
:06:16. > :06:18.department of business. Is this naming and shaming working? We are
:06:19. > :06:24.still seeing big names like Argos and Debenhams failing to pay minimum
:06:25. > :06:27.wage. Workers have been paid back ?6 million in arrears that they would
:06:28. > :06:31.otherwise not have got, and naming and shaming is an important part of
:06:32. > :06:36.the tearing other companies from thinking that they can get away with
:06:37. > :06:43.it. -- the tearing. Were it not for enforcement, they may well add
:06:44. > :06:49.continued, who knows? The fine does not affect the chief executive. I
:06:50. > :06:56.would contest that they do not get any downside to their reputation. If
:06:57. > :07:00.I was working a company, to underpay people on the minimum wage, I would
:07:01. > :07:04.have found that very embarrassing and upsetting, had it happened to my
:07:05. > :07:10.own company. Of the Government says that naming and shaming works. The
:07:11. > :07:13.people I have spoken to today say they would avoid companies that do
:07:14. > :07:17.not play fair by their employees. The question is, will we see another
:07:18. > :07:22.big high street name on the next list? We hope not, we hope this is
:07:23. > :07:27.the last time we will have to name and shame, but we will be keeping an
:07:28. > :07:35.eye on the story. We're onto this bed now, Ronnie, good news, Artist.
:07:36. > :07:40.This is your new book, it features work going back to your early times
:07:41. > :07:46.in your career, Ellie paintings, so is it a biography through your art?
:07:47. > :07:52.It is an eye-opener for me to see my first oil painting that I did when I
:07:53. > :08:02.was 12, my first horse, I was even younger. Coming right up to
:08:03. > :08:07.portraits and landscapes, through nudes, stuff I have done at the
:08:08. > :08:10.ballet. It is a plethora of different subject matter. This is
:08:11. > :08:14.the thing, you have been an artist longer than you have been a
:08:15. > :08:18.musician, and there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of paintings
:08:19. > :08:24.and bits of work in here. They wouldn't let me put any more in! How
:08:25. > :08:30.did you manage to choose what to put in? Where did you get them all from?
:08:31. > :08:38.They are not all at home, are they? With great difficulty! To get them
:08:39. > :08:42.photographed in high resolution, ones that were stolen, ones that
:08:43. > :08:46.were in other people's hands, taking them out of frames to be
:08:47. > :08:50.photographed. You were a trainee sign writer in your first job, and
:08:51. > :08:57.this is incredible, because you must have kept hold of this force along,
:08:58. > :09:05.your first paid bit of work. The local man in my little town, he
:09:06. > :09:09.commissioned me to paint for his radio shop, but before this, this
:09:10. > :09:14.was the local pet shop, I think I got about 12 shillings for doing
:09:15. > :09:18.this. But that was a lot of money for a struggling schoolboy! It is
:09:19. > :09:25.super, especially the dog at the top left. It is pretty good stuff! To
:09:26. > :09:30.see it now, it is hilarious, it is probably 60 years old. I was reading
:09:31. > :09:36.that your brothers were artists, and you watched them, and your style
:09:37. > :09:41.evolves from copying them. Little Ronnie, I was eight or ten years
:09:42. > :09:46.younger than them, so I would always get in a way, their girlfriends, the
:09:47. > :09:56.arts Gaumont, little Ronnie is here again, sending down the shop! -- the
:09:57. > :10:01.art school mob. Are the band is supportive, when you on tour? I take
:10:02. > :10:07.these moments any way, and I make sketches and stuck on tour. I guess
:10:08. > :10:11.you know them so well, you have seen more than anybody else, so you
:10:12. > :10:23.capture something in their faces that nobody else could, really. I
:10:24. > :10:28.think if you get the eyes, especially, this was a concentrated
:10:29. > :10:36.two week study, I did oil paintings for the band, and it ended up with
:10:37. > :10:39.the big picture of the Beggar's Banquet, I took some artistic
:10:40. > :10:46.license, even though I wasn't in the band, I put myself in the painting!
:10:47. > :10:49.The band was taking on a different meaning, you know, both artistically
:10:50. > :10:54.and musically over the years, and I try to follow it. And two of the
:10:55. > :11:01.most emotive drawings and paintings that you have got in here are of
:11:02. > :11:06.your parents, and that is you dedicate the book too. Very
:11:07. > :11:13.different styles. My mum is pen and ink, and Archie, that is more of a
:11:14. > :11:17.wash. What are you trying to say in these particular portraits? What did
:11:18. > :11:22.you feel of your mum and dad and their characteristics here? Because
:11:23. > :11:33.your dad looks very similar to you. Yeah, but put a black wig on that,
:11:34. > :11:39.the big nose! What was he like? A very warm character, he was like
:11:40. > :11:44.from the music all, really, he would entertain you, tell you a joke, sing
:11:45. > :11:52.a song, basked on the piano. So your performance genes came from him.
:11:53. > :11:58.Yeah, the front, the confidence. You will be going on tour in September,
:11:59. > :12:05.taking the paints with you, I imagine? Yes, we are back rehearsing
:12:06. > :12:09.next week, and my mum, it was so sweet, she only went abroad once,
:12:10. > :12:15.she came to Paris with me when the Stones were rehearsing and recording
:12:16. > :12:21.there, and this was her looking out on Avenue Victor Hugo, we were
:12:22. > :12:27.staying near the Etoile, and I said, what you think of Paris? And she
:12:28. > :12:32.said that one in the red dress is back a bit early! So many beautiful
:12:33. > :12:36.paintings, like we have said, and you mentioned horses right at the
:12:37. > :12:41.start, Ronnie, and these are some of my favourites, very special, the way
:12:42. > :12:44.you have captured them. I know horses are very important to you,
:12:45. > :12:53.and our very own George McGavin likes painting horses, just not
:12:54. > :12:58.quite in the same way. Well, you might be wondering why we
:12:59. > :13:03.are painting stripes on this horse. It is a special experiment designed
:13:04. > :13:10.to solve one of nature's greatest mysteries - just why do zebras have
:13:11. > :13:14.stripes? Over the years, there have been many theories, from social
:13:15. > :13:19.communication to camouflage and even heat dissipation. But so far, none
:13:20. > :13:26.of these have quite convinced the scientific community. Finally, some
:13:27. > :13:29.cutting-edge research being done at Bristol University may provide the
:13:30. > :13:35.answer. Martin is leading the project. It is a question that has
:13:36. > :13:41.confused scientists for years and years, right back to Darwin, and one
:13:42. > :13:45.of the theories that has gained the most traction recently is that maybe
:13:46. > :13:49.the stripes are targeted at biting insects, and one of the mechanisms
:13:50. > :13:53.that we think is a play here is an optical illusion. So I will give you
:13:54. > :14:01.an example, if you spin this high contrast disc... That is very
:14:02. > :14:05.disturbing, the outer ring is going that way, the next one looks like it
:14:06. > :14:09.is going that way. We are very interested in whether something
:14:10. > :14:13.similar to that is somehow confusing biting flies as they come in to land
:14:14. > :14:20.on zebras. Insects have compound eyes made up of thousands of
:14:21. > :14:28.individual light receptors which are excellent at detecting movement, but
:14:29. > :14:29.what looked like plain stripes to us actually cause a disorienting
:14:30. > :14:40.dazzling effect to a compound eye. with Martin and the team have set up
:14:41. > :14:46.a free flying arena, the walls of which have either zebra stripes or a
:14:47. > :14:53.more natural patter and projected onto them. A camera system records
:14:54. > :14:57.the movements of the fly. After releasing a flight, Martin will run
:14:58. > :15:03.the footage through tracking software to reveal the fly's flight
:15:04. > :15:10.path. There is a yellow ring. That is where the computer thinks the fly
:15:11. > :15:18.is. Sure we played through? There he goes. He has taken off. He has done
:15:19. > :15:23.away from that wall. And there we go. He came into land, slowed down
:15:24. > :15:30.and landed on the random wall. That is cool. The fly is reluctant to
:15:31. > :15:34.land on the stripes. This becomes even clearer when we slow the
:15:35. > :15:43.footage down. It seems it prefers the more natural pattern. And the
:15:44. > :15:47.lab results are further back-up by results in the field. -- backed up.
:15:48. > :15:55.The horses were bitten more than the zebras. What if horses taste better?
:15:56. > :16:01.To put this to the test, we have painted a snowy the horse to look
:16:02. > :16:06.like a zebra. He has spent the last three hours in make-up being
:16:07. > :16:10.disguised with nontoxic paint to see if his new look will prevent him
:16:11. > :16:16.from bites. You can make friends afterwards. I'm going to record how
:16:17. > :16:20.many times he is bitten are irritated by the flies over 30
:16:21. > :16:27.minutes, compares to our control horses. All I have to do is count
:16:28. > :16:42.how many flies land on each of the horses. Easy, Tiger. There are
:16:43. > :16:49.actually no flies on snowy at all. And there is one feeding on the
:16:50. > :16:59.neck. That is a nasty one. That is a very big horsefly. Right on his
:17:00. > :17:07.flank. Yeah. Watch my binoculars. That is pretty clear. That is a
:17:08. > :17:13.horsefly. That has had three or four horseflies. The zebra has had none.
:17:14. > :17:17.If I am walking the plains of East Africa, I'm going to be wearing a
:17:18. > :17:24.stripey suit. There are no flies on George. Zebra
:17:25. > :17:29.striped horse blankets will make a fortune. They are already out there.
:17:30. > :17:34.Mike Dilger is here. The question that comes to mind is why all the
:17:35. > :17:39.animals in the Savannah not covered in stripes? It is down to the
:17:40. > :17:44.thickness of your skin. If you have a hide like a rhino, flies will not
:17:45. > :17:48.bite you. If you have a thin skin, like zebras, they have to develop
:17:49. > :17:59.another armoury. They have evolved the stripes. What kind of animals
:18:00. > :18:11.have stripes? Some of the Springbok Impala 's. There is a snake that
:18:12. > :18:17.uses stripes? For its own protection. The garter snake. A good
:18:18. > :18:22.pet. In nonvenomous snake. The only problem is lots of things eat it,
:18:23. > :18:28.like raccoons and hawks. What's those long strides and you get
:18:29. > :18:34.mesmerised. You don't know which direction the snake is going or how
:18:35. > :18:41.fast it is going. If it bites the head, it can pretend the tale is its
:18:42. > :18:48.head. And vice versa. There is a human application of stripes?
:18:49. > :18:53.Indeed. World War I warships. Imagine you are a German U-boat
:18:54. > :18:58.submarine, up goes the periscope, you see that ship. You can't tell
:18:59. > :19:04.where it is going, how fast it is going. Terribly clever. Inspired by
:19:05. > :19:15.nature. Time to talk about romance. Fiddler crabs. The males have really
:19:16. > :19:21.large pincers. The females have too. It is an optical illusion. The
:19:22. > :19:24.females love a big pincer. If you have got a big pincer, you will get
:19:25. > :19:32.lots of matings. If you have a modest sized pincer, you won't get
:19:33. > :19:39.as many crabs. You surround yourself with little tiny pincers to make
:19:40. > :19:45.your pincer look larger than it is. This goes back to 1901. It is all
:19:46. > :19:48.about tricking the brain into fooling about the size of these
:19:49. > :19:57.orange circles. Which one is the larger one? They are the same size.
:19:58. > :20:02.Such a smart lad. That one looks bigger because it is surrounded by
:20:03. > :20:12.small ones. If I peel it off, Ronnie is officially top of the class.
:20:13. > :20:17.What is next? We have done zebras. Knockout sister, which refers to a
:20:18. > :20:24.boxing club with a difference in Newcastle.
:20:25. > :20:29.Here is Mehreen Baig. Boxing is traditionally male dominated sport.
:20:30. > :20:33.But in 2009, women's boxing was officially accepted on the world
:20:34. > :20:40.scene, paving the way for the likes of Nicola Adams. In the UK around a
:20:41. > :20:47.third of all people who box our female. For some of these women, the
:20:48. > :20:51.fight has not just been in the ring. Until very recently, many British
:20:52. > :20:57.Muslim females have found accessing any kind of sport difficult. Mainly
:20:58. > :20:59.due to the lack of women only facilities available and sportswear
:21:00. > :21:06.that conflicts with the Islamic dress code. But here, in Newcastle,
:21:07. > :21:12.an all-female boxing club has been set up. It's called knockout sister.
:21:13. > :21:20.This allows Muslim women of all ages to get fit, boost confidence and
:21:21. > :21:25.learn self defence. There has been a rising hostility towards Muslim and
:21:26. > :21:31.in recent years. So this woman's family has encouraged her to take up
:21:32. > :21:33.boxing. I am a Muslim or in but people don't always associate me
:21:34. > :21:39.with being a Muslim and because I don't wear a hijab. Do you think now
:21:40. > :21:43.Muslim women need to learn self defence more than they had to
:21:44. > :21:49.previously? Absolutely. There is so much more hate crime. Wearing the
:21:50. > :21:55.hijab, you know straightaway, she is a Muslim. I'm going to be put in a
:21:56. > :21:59.situation where possibly it could happen to me. My parents don't want
:22:00. > :22:04.me to be vulnerable and put myself in a situation where I won't be able
:22:05. > :22:10.to protect myself. So yeah, it is important for Muslim and to learn
:22:11. > :22:15.how to box. Her sister works as a local pharmacist and she took up
:22:16. > :22:19.boxing after an incident at work. A method on patient had missed his
:22:20. > :22:24.dolls for three days. He could not remember that. I had to refuse the
:22:25. > :22:27.dose. He didn't like that. He displayed threatening behaviour
:22:28. > :22:31.towards me. That made me think I do need to learn something that
:22:32. > :22:39.requires self defence. I heard about this class.
:22:40. > :22:46.That was it. This woman has been coming over six months. She wears
:22:47. > :22:52.the niqab in public. There are loads of non-Muslims in here as well. It
:22:53. > :22:55.is open for all women. Not just Muslim women specifically. I don't
:22:56. > :22:59.cover when I am doing my training sessions. It is good that you can
:23:00. > :23:04.wear what you feel comfortable in to work out.
:23:05. > :23:09.She has encouraged her daughter too, along and get involved in the club.
:23:10. > :23:14.She thinks nobody should stop Muslims and from having this
:23:15. > :23:19.opportunity. Most of the men discouraging their wives from going
:23:20. > :23:25.into sport, I would ask if he was afraid. What are you afraid of,
:23:26. > :23:31.seriously? Contact sport has got benefits. You can defend yourself.
:23:32. > :23:35.It is good to keep fit and healthy. That is part of Islam as well,
:23:36. > :23:38.maintaining good physical fitness, looking after your body as well as
:23:39. > :23:44.your soul and your mind. It is all round. With all women boxing and
:23:45. > :23:49.sports clubs like this one found around the country, it should give
:23:50. > :23:52.Muslims and the possibility and opportunity to both integrate and
:23:53. > :23:58.participate without compromising their religion. Being here today and
:23:59. > :24:02.seeing these women enriching their lives in such a positive manner, is
:24:03. > :24:06.truly inspiring. In a world where we are rarely given glimpses of Muslim
:24:07. > :24:10.and in sporting capacities, clubs like this are helping to strip away
:24:11. > :24:14.negative opinions and misconceptions. It seems the future
:24:15. > :24:19.from Muslim sportswomen can only get better.
:24:20. > :24:24.We can't show a film like that and not show the greatest, Muhammad Ali,
:24:25. > :24:31.who you paint a few times in the book. And you met him as well? Yeah.
:24:32. > :24:36.He was a pleasure to be around. He thought of himself as a conjurer, a
:24:37. > :24:43.man with a slate of hand and tricks. Really good fun. When I was with him
:24:44. > :24:48.in New York were in his hotel room and I said, for fun, let's go down
:24:49. > :24:53.on fifth Ave, you walk one side of the street and I'll walk the other
:24:54. > :25:00.and will stop the traffic. I thought, yeah, I know who is going
:25:01. > :25:02.to stop that traffic! Scottish students received their higher
:25:03. > :25:08.results last week. Tomorrow is D-Day for a thousands of students in the
:25:09. > :25:14.rest of the UK, all of them hoping to get the results they want. But as
:25:15. > :25:18.Kate McIntire discovered, you can't always get what you want. Sometimes
:25:19. > :25:24.you might just find you get what you need.
:25:25. > :25:29.If the memory of getting your A-level results is fond one surround
:25:30. > :25:36.by disappointment, it could be a pivotal moment to shape the rest of
:25:37. > :25:40.your life. What do the people of Leeds remember about their results?
:25:41. > :25:45.For better or for worse? Do you remember getting your A-level
:25:46. > :25:50.results? I do. I took three but I only passed one. How did they affect
:25:51. > :25:55.your next step in light? I didn't go to university. I went travelling,
:25:56. > :26:01.became a mum. And then I did a degree when I was 40. It is never
:26:02. > :26:09.too late. I got a capital see in psychology. Do you remember getting
:26:10. > :26:20.your A-level steel I do, yeah. A bit of advice, don't sweat. Take it as
:26:21. > :26:26.it goes. I got three seas. I got an A in geography. My teacher predicted
:26:27. > :26:38.something else. I was a bit like, I am going to get a A macro. Dab -- A.
:26:39. > :26:47.I went out for a drink with friends. I got two As, a B and ACE. When I
:26:48. > :26:51.got to school was a nervous wreck, text and my friends. When I got them
:26:52. > :26:58.it was fantastic. I got what I needed. Was at a life changing
:26:59. > :27:01.moment? Yeah, because you spend eight years of your life with these
:27:02. > :27:08.people and it comes to an end. The results are a culmination of that. I
:27:09. > :27:13.know you know full well the A-level results, out tomorrow because you
:27:14. > :27:17.are both teachers. Will you be giving them? Yeah, I will be going
:27:18. > :27:25.into school to see their excited faces. Is a life changing moment for
:27:26. > :27:31.students? Joe Cain is somewhat uncertain decisions at that stage. I
:27:32. > :27:37.didn't get into university despite having three As. I have spent years
:27:38. > :27:43.abroad, so as long as you're willing to work for it, it will Robert.
:27:44. > :27:48.It is amazing what happens in life when you don't get the results you
:27:49. > :27:53.need. It is the 40th anniversary of Elvis Presley's death. You came so
:27:54. > :27:59.close to having a personal meeting with him, didn't you? Yeah. I went
:28:00. > :28:05.to the hospital that he was in. I almost had the courage to say, I am
:28:06. > :28:09.from the Rolling Stones, let me up there but I chickened out. As I
:28:10. > :28:17.walked away I felt, I wonder if I will regret this? All the time up in
:28:18. > :28:23.his room, I heard he had Jimmy Page and Robert Plant up there. I should
:28:24. > :28:30.have done it. What would you have said to him? I guess we would have
:28:31. > :28:36.just exchanged verbal rifts. I got -- I've got a feeling we would have
:28:37. > :28:49.got on. Nice.
:28:50. > :29:08.On the playlist it is down as heartburn Hotel. Will you play side?
:29:09. > :29:12.And give adjoining us, Ronnie Wood! It has been a lovely evening. Alex
:29:13. > :29:14.and I will be here tomorrow with Len Goodman. We will see you then.
:29:15. > :29:20.Good night!