:00:18. > :00:27.Hello and welcome to the programme with Alex Jones... And... Me, Matt
:00:28. > :00:29.Baker. Our guest tonight seems to have upset somebody and it might be
:00:30. > :00:37.because he wrote this in his new book. I thought that Alex Jones was
:00:38. > :00:40.the most obnoxious human being I had ever interviewed. This could be
:00:41. > :00:47.awkward! Please welcome Piers Morgan!
:00:48. > :00:53.There we are. Can you shed a bit of light on this? It was the single
:00:54. > :00:58.worst experience of my interviewing career. Somebody so relentlessly
:00:59. > :01:04.revolting, screaming abuse at me, shattering any image I had of this
:01:05. > :01:13.person. Talk about Halo removal? Wow! Sounds exactly like me. Not
:01:14. > :01:19.this Alex Jones. Lets see the moment you came head-to-head with the other
:01:20. > :01:24.Alex Jones later. Not many of us, including Piers, say their words
:01:25. > :01:28.will make history but Mary Pitcaithly will have that chance on
:01:29. > :01:32.Friday morning. It is her voice we will hear and I'd is the result of
:01:33. > :01:41.the Scottish referendum and Sarah Mack has been to see how she feels
:01:42. > :01:46.about being the first to know. They may be empty now, but this is
:01:47. > :01:49.where people will cast their vote. Almost 4.3 million people are
:01:50. > :01:53.registered to vote in Scotland and it is incredible the thing that of
:01:54. > :01:58.Thursday night, tens of thousands of these boxes will be full to the
:01:59. > :02:02.brim. The all-important job of announcing the result of this
:02:03. > :02:06.historic vote has been given to Chief Counting Officer, Mary
:02:07. > :02:11.Pitcaithly. You seem very calm and collected. What is going on behind
:02:12. > :02:14.the scenes at the moment? It is building up to a crescendo, but not
:02:15. > :02:19.long now until we see the finishing line. I suppose you have to be
:02:20. > :02:25.careful about what you are going to wear? I should be careful about
:02:26. > :02:31.colours. I have been chilled not to wear loud patterns. -- told not to
:02:32. > :02:40.wear. Are you allowed to vote? And at yes. Can you tell you which
:02:41. > :02:46.weighed you are going to vote? I am not allowed! Ardeer family feel?
:02:47. > :02:50.They are excited. My daughter is a huge help. She make sure I am calm
:02:51. > :02:56.and organised. After the polls close at 10pm on Thursday night, each of
:02:57. > :03:01.the local authority results will be collated and sent by e-mail. They're
:03:02. > :03:04.the team will produce the final figure and Mary will announce the
:03:05. > :03:09.results on Friday morning. Anything you do say, even though it might be
:03:10. > :03:14.factually incorrect, that is legally binding. Are you worried about
:03:15. > :03:19.making a mistake? That is not going to happen. You are very confident
:03:20. > :03:24.about that! What do you think you're lasting memories will be of the day?
:03:25. > :03:35.I am hoping there will be a good atmosphere in Scotland, that people
:03:36. > :03:38.will have a good experience at the polling station. That people will,
:03:39. > :03:40.at the end of the day, have absolute trust and confidence in the result.
:03:41. > :03:45.They may not like the result but they will be comfortable with the
:03:46. > :03:49.integrity of the process. The most important thing is to get a good
:03:50. > :03:56.breakfast. That might be after I have announced the result!
:03:57. > :04:00.Nicky Campbell is travelling across Scotland for the One Show, trying to
:04:01. > :04:07.get at measure of how people will vote. Get straight we caught up with
:04:08. > :04:11.him on Stornoway on the Isle of US. -- Isle of Lewis. Since then he has
:04:12. > :04:22.gone to Aberdeen. We understand you are in the wild-?
:04:23. > :04:26.-- oil town. Yes, it started in the mid-70s and
:04:27. > :04:31.it is still going strong. There are expensive cars and property is
:04:32. > :04:43.amazingly expensive. When I was a student, it was expensive. That is
:04:44. > :04:48.when the Boomtown Rats had a hit with I Don't Like Mondays. That is
:04:49. > :04:52.where I did my final exams and I got really nervous going in there and
:04:53. > :04:58.having a look around. There are a lot of nerves at the moment. Because
:04:59. > :05:02.of the oil boom, that is at the economic heart of this debate. It is
:05:03. > :05:10.all about this stuff - Brent crude. How much is left? How long is it
:05:11. > :05:14.going to last? What will the tax revenues be? What about price
:05:15. > :05:20.fluctuations? That has been at the heart of the debate. Estimates vary
:05:21. > :05:24.between 12 billion barrels and 24 billion barrels. As we gear up
:05:25. > :05:29.towards Thursday, the nerves are kicking in and the arguments are
:05:30. > :05:33.also intensifying. Lots of people are certain on one side or the
:05:34. > :05:37.other. I have been speaking to people who are not so sure. Yes
:05:38. > :05:42.people thinking, is this the right decision? And no people thinking, I
:05:43. > :05:47.don't know? Maybe this will be the chance of a lifetime. We have got
:05:48. > :05:53.four people here who are not troubled by uncertainty. We have
:05:54. > :05:59.some campaigners. Come a little bit closer. What has the reaction been?
:06:00. > :06:04.Any doors slammed in your face is? Yes, a couple. We have been shouted
:06:05. > :06:11.at. The next time when you see is a positive it gives you a boost. We
:06:12. > :06:18.have had doors slamming as well. They see the leaflets and badges and
:06:19. > :06:22.then slam it in your face. Any eggs? No eggs. We have been given some
:06:23. > :06:29.cups of tea or a dram, which is nice. What about your experience? It
:06:30. > :06:32.has been positive. With every negative experience a positive one
:06:33. > :06:38.is around the corner. We are still getting new volunteers, even now. It
:06:39. > :06:44.is getting close. The nerves must be kicking in. Definitely. Lots of
:06:45. > :06:52.butterflies and feeling sick. We will be happy when the result is in.
:06:53. > :06:58.We have got two yes campaigners, two no campaigners. What we need is a
:06:59. > :07:07.group hug. There we are! They all love each other really. The Radio 5
:07:08. > :07:15.Live breakfast show is from Aberdeen tomorrow morning. Do not miss it.
:07:16. > :07:17.We will catch up with Nicky in Edinburgh tomorrow.
:07:18. > :07:21.If the vote has split your family down the middle and you are able to
:07:22. > :07:25.be here on Friday, we would love to hear from you. Just e-mail us at the
:07:26. > :07:32.usual address. Now, Piers, you have got a new book
:07:33. > :07:35.out. It all started when you replace Larry King on CNN in the States will
:07:36. > :07:40.stop looking at some of these billboards, all of these folk who
:07:41. > :07:45.put up these posters were rooting for you? I remember going to Times
:07:46. > :07:52.Square four years ago, a week before I went on air. There was this huge
:07:53. > :07:55.build-up to replacing Larry King. My first thought when I saw the
:07:56. > :08:00.billboards was, this is great. And then I thought, what am I getting
:08:01. > :08:04.myself into? I knew a lot of people expected me to fall flat on my face,
:08:05. > :08:09.a lot of pressure. But there was also the sense of, what is going to
:08:10. > :08:13.go really wrong? It is going to be an amazing experience, and that is
:08:14. > :08:19.what it was. I had a fantastic time, there was controversy, great
:08:20. > :08:24.moments, low moments, but I wouldn't have changed it for anything. You
:08:25. > :08:28.interviewed over 1000 people - the great and good of entertainment and
:08:29. > :08:34.politics. What was the bravest question that you asked? One of the
:08:35. > :08:39.toughest was with the former Iriney and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,
:08:40. > :08:43.and I remember sitting opposite him. He had about 30 henchmen and it was
:08:44. > :08:47.an intimidating atmosphere. My brother was a British army colonel
:08:48. > :08:53.and sent me a question. He said, ask him how he felt his daughter dated a
:08:54. > :08:58.Jewish man. I thought it would be a great question on a human level. The
:08:59. > :09:02.perception is that he denounced the Holocaust and wants to exterminate
:09:03. > :09:07.Israel. I asked the question and I got this long silence, and the
:09:08. > :09:10.interpreter made it even longer. Then he looked at me and said, I
:09:11. > :09:14.would have no problem with that. He said, I have no issue with the
:09:15. > :09:21.Jewish people. My issue is, he put it, with the Zionist regime. It was
:09:22. > :09:24.a clarification of previous comments that had made him more notorious,
:09:25. > :09:28.that he had wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the map. It was
:09:29. > :09:31.quite personal. He had never been asked that sort of question.
:09:32. > :09:38.Probably my funniest one was the Dalai llama. He doesn't smoke,
:09:39. > :09:43.drink, take drugs, have sex, watch movies, watch television. He doesn't
:09:44. > :09:49.e-mail or text. He does not live modern life at all. I asked him at
:09:50. > :09:58.one stage, do you know Simon Cowell? He looked completely bemused and
:09:59. > :10:07.said, what is that? Excellent! Good news! With your interviews, you try
:10:08. > :10:12.to get certain cancers and that. How do you feel when you know the
:10:13. > :10:18.question, and what are you getting out of it? I think television of any
:10:19. > :10:23.kind, whether it is news, or a celebrity interview, it is all about
:10:24. > :10:28.theatre. We are creating theatre for people at home to be informed and
:10:29. > :10:36.entertained, provoked even, into having a reaction. I always try to
:10:37. > :10:39.look for a moment of drama. In Life Stories, you look for something that
:10:40. > :10:44.will inspire a reaction from the guest, the audience, a piece that
:10:45. > :10:47.will be memorable television. Your trick, you talk about it in the
:10:48. > :10:51.book, you say you have stock questions that usually provoke a
:10:52. > :10:58.great reaction. One is, how many times have you been in love? We do
:10:59. > :11:01.not want that from you. We want to know if you could relive any moment
:11:02. > :11:09.in life, not marriage or children, which would you choose? It happened
:11:10. > :11:16.a month ago. If anybody follows Bian Twitter -- follows me on Twitter...
:11:17. > :11:21.Only 4 million followers at the moment! I was in a charity cricket
:11:22. > :11:26.match, captaining Ian Botham, against Brian Lara. Brian Lara came
:11:27. > :11:32.up to bat and I brought myself on to bowl. This was my moment. I had
:11:33. > :11:39.already been terrorised by Bradley. People will remember me being
:11:40. > :11:46.pelted. This was my chance to rehabilitate myself in cricket
:11:47. > :11:51.circles. I bowled Brian Lara's six balls and because of my goading he
:11:52. > :11:55.tried to smash with number six and got caught 40. As he trudged off I
:11:56. > :12:00.remember thinking, life cannot get better than this moment! If I could
:12:01. > :12:06.relive on a loop cycle meet bowling the delivery that got him out, I
:12:07. > :12:11.would. How did it feel when you heard the show in America was coming
:12:12. > :12:16.to an end? You had closed the door, there was nobody around, and you
:12:17. > :12:20.were on your own. It felt fine. I was in the last six months of my
:12:21. > :12:25.contract and you always talk to your bosses then. I did not want to keep
:12:26. > :12:29.on doing a daily show. I had lived in America full-time for four years
:12:30. > :12:38.and I had run my course. We had become irritating to each other and
:12:39. > :12:42.we needed a break. CNN offered me a deal but I decided not to take it.
:12:43. > :12:46.There were other opportunities as their, which hopefully over the next
:12:47. > :12:51.few months I will be able to sort out. I had a fantastic time at CNN.
:12:52. > :12:56.It is one of the fantastic news that works, up there with the BBC. No
:12:57. > :13:01.regrets. That is where the book ends. If you want to know what
:13:02. > :13:05.happens, read the book. Shooting Straight is out now.
:13:06. > :13:12.Piers might have had prestigious guests but we are meeting a
:13:13. > :13:19.high-flying Libby. -- lady. She is a sensation. She needs a huge amount
:13:20. > :13:24.of security. Here is Mike Dilger. The Montagu 's Harrier is the rarest
:13:25. > :13:28.nesting bird of prey in Britain. This year there have been only seven
:13:29. > :13:33.breeding pairs in the UK. When a nest is discovered it is so precious
:13:34. > :13:38.that a huge operation swings into play to protect it. I am at a top
:13:39. > :13:50.secret location in East Anglia. At the back of this field, in the long
:13:51. > :13:54.grass, is a Montagu's harrier nest with chicks in and no one is allowed
:13:55. > :14:00.close of a mess. Only 50% of Czechs in the UK survive because of
:14:01. > :14:06.predation and crime. But thanks to a conservation effort, numbers have
:14:07. > :14:11.increased from three breeding pairs to well over 40. Today, members of
:14:12. > :14:17.the Dutch Montagu's harrier foundation are here to help. Why do
:14:18. > :14:22.we have so few parents? They migrate north to Europe. The furthest north
:14:23. > :14:25.and west they can reach is Britain. We will never have a huge population
:14:26. > :14:30.but it is important that the birds we have, we look after. We work with
:14:31. > :14:34.landowners, because they nest on the ground in crops. We do not want the
:14:35. > :14:40.crops to be harvested when the young or in the nest. What about this
:14:41. > :14:44.nest? It is interesting. We have a meal and a female and the mail has
:14:45. > :14:50.another female one kilometre away, so he is feeding two females. They
:14:51. > :14:58.both will fledge very soon. For the first time in Britain, one of our
:14:59. > :15:02.Montagu's harriers will be sent out. The Dutch have huge experience of
:15:03. > :15:06.tidying these birds, which helps them locate nests quickly so they
:15:07. > :15:14.can provide protection 24 hours a day. It is noticeable that there is
:15:15. > :15:19.some kind of fans. We have to fence them against foxes. Without that,
:15:20. > :15:23.70% are predated. So there is no reason not to increase the number of
:15:24. > :15:29.Montagu's harriers in the UK? Normally it is the chicks that will
:15:30. > :15:34.be tight but as newly hatched Montagu's harriers are vulnerable to
:15:35. > :15:38.disturbance, the Dutch team Tiger the adults instead and used a
:15:39. > :15:45.special trick to catch them. The stuff brazen -- stuff Graven is
:15:46. > :15:47.vital. The female will hopefully attack it and then, fingers crossed,
:15:48. > :15:56.get caught in the net. We are not allowed to film the
:15:57. > :16:01.catching of the harrier so we moved back and wait. As the females are so
:16:02. > :16:20.vigilant, it is not long before the decoy Raven is sported. -- raven is
:16:21. > :16:30.spotted. They do a quick health check and attach the transmitter.
:16:31. > :16:36.She is very calm. Yes, you can do nearly anything with them. The
:16:37. > :16:47.satellite tag only weighs about seven grams. It does not bother her
:16:48. > :16:55.in any way? No. She is going to have a little backpack on the way. For
:16:56. > :16:58.six years. They do very well with them. The process takes just 15
:16:59. > :17:06.minutes and then the bird is ready to be released. We are going to
:17:07. > :17:20.release it just down from the nest site. You take the bird and three,
:17:21. > :17:27.two, one! Best of luck! There she goes. Data will be downloaded daily
:17:28. > :17:31.and once it leaves the UK the information will go online, showing
:17:32. > :17:36.the migration path as it heads to Africa for the winter. It has been a
:17:37. > :17:40.real privilege to get a glimpse into the secretive world of the Montagu's
:17:41. > :17:52.harrier. With so few, they needed all the help them can get. I hope
:17:53. > :18:03.the bird we tagged comes back next year. Mike is on another assignment,
:18:04. > :18:11.so Lucy is here. The other female bird, Madge, has excessively
:18:12. > :18:20.migrated to Senegal for the winter. The male bird is very close as well.
:18:21. > :18:24.The bad news is that the bird we saw in the film has unfortunately
:18:25. > :18:29.disappeared. The last reading from her tag was early in the morning on
:18:30. > :18:42.the 8th of August near Norfolk. The fear is that she has been a legally
:18:43. > :18:47.shot -- illegally. If anyone has information, please call
:18:48. > :18:54.Crimestoppers. There is a award. Going back to the books, gun
:18:55. > :19:02.issues, what prompted you to tackle gun control? I tackled that in
:19:03. > :19:09.Britain after Dunblane in 1996. We campaigned heavily at the mirror and
:19:10. > :19:15.got real action, all handguns banned in Britain. That has not been, touch
:19:16. > :19:22.wood, a school shooting in Britain since that day, 15 years. When a
:19:23. > :19:27.similar incident happened in America, 20 young kids shot dead in
:19:28. > :19:33.their classroom, something inside me be acted when I had these people on
:19:34. > :19:38.the shop being so arrogant and completely unyielding and saying the
:19:39. > :19:42.only answer to this was more guns. If there were more guns, the
:19:43. > :19:46.teachers were armed, if people in the cinema had guns, churches, if
:19:47. > :19:51.everyone was armed, there would be no gun crime. Clearly, complete
:19:52. > :19:59.nonsense. I be acted to what was happening. -- reacted. The gun lobby
:20:00. > :20:09.area acted strongly. A petition was started to have me deported. 150,000
:20:10. > :20:14.people signed it. Some things are worth battling for. The American gun
:20:15. > :20:19.culture is so crazy to people who live in countries like we do where
:20:20. > :20:25.there is little gun crime that I thought, I am going to make this a
:20:26. > :20:34.real issue and what will be will be. Talking of that, we joked about Alex
:20:35. > :20:40.Jones earlier, but he is brought gun -- pro-gun. Hitler took the guns,
:20:41. > :20:47.Stalin took the guns, Fidel Castro took the guns, and I am here to tell
:20:48. > :20:52.you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms, it does
:20:53. > :21:00.not matter how many people you get on the street begging, do you
:21:01. > :21:08.understand? He went for it. He is a bit like you! What was it like being
:21:09. > :21:17.on the receiving end of that? The producers said, I am cutting this. I
:21:18. > :21:27.said, no, you are not. This did this fix our mind-body -- the statistics
:21:28. > :21:31.are mind boggling. 18,000 killed themselves with guns, 12,000 on
:21:32. > :21:38.average are murdered with guns. In Britain, 35 people a day in America
:21:39. > :21:43.are killed by guns, murdered, in Britain it is that number a year.
:21:44. > :21:47.That is the difference. This is a very serious side that they will
:21:48. > :21:53.have seen. Are we going to see more of this? I have been approached by
:21:54. > :21:57.people to make a documentary movie about this issue because I think
:21:58. > :22:05.there is a global fascination with America's fascination with guns.
:22:06. > :22:09.They have more guns than the next richest 32 countries combined. It is
:22:10. > :22:15.something that terror is the country in two. A lot of people have come up
:22:16. > :22:22.and said, keep doing what you are doing, and then some are like that
:22:23. > :22:29.guy. A 9 -year-old girl at a shooting range in Nevada, she was
:22:30. > :22:33.given a machine gun by an instructor with her parents laughing in the
:22:34. > :22:40.background, as a treat. I have a young daughter. This nine-year-old
:22:41. > :22:43.girl fired two or three billets and lost control and shot dead the
:22:44. > :22:52.instructor standing next to her who had given how this killing machine.
:22:53. > :23:00.What kind of civilised society, is oppose its superpower, encourages
:23:01. > :23:04.that kind of scenario? The repercussions are incredible. 100
:23:05. > :23:09.years ago all it took was one gunshot to set Europe on the path to
:23:10. > :23:12.all-out war. We have seen a lot about the centenary of the First
:23:13. > :23:22.World War, but how many of us can explain why it happened? Here is Dan
:23:23. > :23:28.to help you out. On the 28th of June 1914 on a side
:23:29. > :23:32.street in Sarajevo, an assassin shot a man and his wife in the back of a
:23:33. > :23:40.card. This single act of violence would shake the world. The target of
:23:41. > :23:48.the attack was Franz Ferdinand, error to the throne of the Empire.
:23:49. > :23:56.That's my heir. This event triggered one of the bloodiest conflict of --
:23:57. > :24:12.the world has ever seen. I am going to use my massive signed map to make
:24:13. > :24:17.sense of it. -- sand map. When he had been as fascinated its Britain
:24:18. > :24:22.and Europe's fragile peace. Rogue members of neighbouring Serbia's
:24:23. > :24:29.government had helped plan the assassination. Serbia was a small
:24:30. > :24:33.country, an enemy of Austria because it presented its domination of this
:24:34. > :24:38.part of Europe. 30 days after the shooting, Serbia remained defiant so
:24:39. > :24:43.Austria and Hungary declared war. This could have remained a local war
:24:44. > :24:47.between two neighbouring countries worried not for the interlocking
:24:48. > :24:54.network of treaties that bound together all the European states.
:24:55. > :25:01.Serbia had a big ally. In Serbia's corner was Russia. Russia and Serbia
:25:02. > :25:06.had a lot in common, same religion, same traditions, and Russia did not
:25:07. > :25:18.want the Hungary install many to this part of Europe, so the Russians
:25:19. > :25:21.mobilised their massive army. With nearly 6 million men, Russia's army
:25:22. > :25:33.presented a massive threat to the hunt -- Hungary into. Across Europe,
:25:34. > :25:44.Germany's well-equipped and disciplined army was thought to be
:25:45. > :25:47.unbeatable. 34 days after the assassination, Germany declared war
:25:48. > :25:54.against Russia. Two more powers had joined the words. A few decades
:25:55. > :25:58.before, the Russians had been nervous about German strength and
:25:59. > :26:02.look for an ally who could help them in the event of a war, and that was
:26:03. > :26:07.France, another one of Germany's nervous neighbours. The Russians and
:26:08. > :26:11.French would support each other in the event of war, so when Germany
:26:12. > :26:16.went to war against Russia it was going to war against France too.
:26:17. > :26:23.What did this have to do with Britain? In the previous decade,
:26:24. > :26:30.Britain had made a commitment to France that it would help them if
:26:31. > :26:35.the Germans attacked. The Germans decide to smash the friends first
:26:36. > :26:38.and then move all of their troops back to the east to take on the
:26:39. > :26:42.slower moving Russian job are not. To make the job of beating the
:26:43. > :26:51.French easier, they decide to go road beside through Belgium. Belgium
:26:52. > :26:57.was a neutral country and Britain had agreed to protect it. That meant
:26:58. > :27:07.37 days after the assassination of the Archduke, Britain was at war
:27:08. > :27:10.with Germany. The mass of global conflict would cause unimaginable
:27:11. > :27:18.destruction and sweep away the old map of Europe. It all began with the
:27:19. > :27:23.death of one man in a side street in a provincial backwater. By the time
:27:24. > :27:33.it ended, over 16 million people had been killed.
:27:34. > :27:38.That is a brilliant piece. I wonder how many times that will be played
:27:39. > :27:45.in history lessons. It is fair to say that you divide
:27:46. > :27:51.people. We have nasty comments, nice comments on the cover. We cannot
:27:52. > :28:02.read those. We have got some insults that word
:28:03. > :28:06.out wreck teed at you. -- were directed. You have to find out who
:28:07. > :28:18.they were from. And then say something nice about them. "Piers
:28:19. > :28:27.Morgan - once talented, now safe to ignore." That was repaired Murdoch
:28:28. > :28:34.who misunderstood when I said I loved his Twitter feed. -- report
:28:35. > :28:41.Murdoch. I got a message to him saying that it was genuine and I got
:28:42. > :28:54.another tweet saying I was a friend. A compliment? The most brilliant
:28:55. > :28:59.visionary I have ever worked for. "Piers, you're a hatchet man of the
:29:00. > :29:12.new world order." That could be anybody! Alan Sugar. Alex Jones. My
:29:13. > :29:16.message is, you keep taking those funny tablets because whatever makes
:29:17. > :29:33.you behave like that is a very strange tablet. That is where we
:29:34. > :29:34.will leave it. Shooting Straight is out. Tomorrow