0:00:17 > 0:00:22Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker.
0:00:22 > 0:00:26And for the first time in 2018, she's back - it's Alex Jones!
0:00:26 > 0:00:37Thank you very much.All the the way from New Zealand.We had to go see
0:00:37 > 0:00:39Ted's grandparents. It was really nice.What was his highlight.Going
0:00:39 > 0:00:44in the sea. Three weeks with Ted was brilliant.There was a point I
0:00:44 > 0:00:48thought you weren't coming back.I know. It's very far.We are back
0:00:48 > 0:00:57together tonight.
0:00:57 > 0:00:59We're joined by a pair rarely seen apart.
0:00:59 > 0:01:03They first appeared on our screens 18 years ago.
0:01:03 > 0:01:05They're so close they canfinish each other's sentences.
0:01:05 > 0:01:09So tonight we thought we'd let them write each other's introductions.
0:01:09 > 0:01:17They're so close they canfinish each other's sentences.
0:01:17 > 0:01:22So tonight we thought we'd let them write each other's introductions.
0:01:22 > 0:01:24Please welcome, Kirstie Allsopp and Phil Spencer!
0:01:24 > 0:01:32APPLAUSE
0:01:32 > 0:01:41Welcome.Lovely to be here.Nice to have you both at the same time.We
0:01:41 > 0:01:45have never been here at the same time. It's a treat.Terrible snowy
0:01:45 > 0:01:49conditions in Scotland. It left some drivers stranded in their cars
0:01:49 > 0:01:57overnight. More snow coming. Stay safe everybody. A lot of kids off
0:01:57 > 0:02:04school.Schools will be closed tomorrow. Stay safe.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09If you were stuck inside a car together on a snowy road,
0:02:09 > 0:02:11who would be the first lose it and jump out?!
0:02:11 > 0:02:17We would be good. I'm a cautious snow driver. When it's at all cold I
0:02:17 > 0:02:21have the wellies the blank ket. All the stuff you are advised, I really
0:02:21 > 0:02:26do that. Jool we spend long enough travelling together we would be all
0:02:26 > 0:02:33right.Have you floral wellies?The full range.Every welly and sock to
0:02:33 > 0:02:42match.
0:02:42 > 0:02:44In the same year Kirstie and Phil first worked together,
0:02:44 > 0:02:47Carillion was launched and went on to become the UK's second
0:02:47 > 0:02:50biggest construction firm, X years on and the walls have come
0:02:50 > 0:02:52crumbling down with the announcement this week that they were
0:02:52 > 0:02:53going into liquidation.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56The ripples of this are being felt all over the UK, affecting thousands
0:02:56 > 0:02:58of individuals as well as numerous public projects, from
0:02:58 > 0:02:59new hospitals to HS2.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01Here's Iwan with the far-reaching consequences
0:03:01 > 0:03:05of Carillion's collapse.
0:03:05 > 0:03:09You probably know from yesterday that we've had to let about ten
0:03:09 > 0:03:14people either laid off or made redundant in the business.Andy has
0:03:14 > 0:03:20had to lay off ten stay and owned £800,000 from Carillion?What about
0:03:20 > 0:03:24our jobs are they safe.In the short to medium term we have been told the
0:03:24 > 0:03:31contracts will continue.I've worked Andy for 28 years.28 years. Did you
0:03:31 > 0:03:33have a time like this in the company where you have been fearful before?
0:03:33 > 0:03:38Never before. This is the worst time we've ever had.Are you conscious
0:03:38 > 0:03:42this could be your last day or last week at work?My wife is worried to
0:03:42 > 0:03:48see what will happen, basically, we have three kids at home. I keep
0:03:48 > 0:03:52reassuring her we are fine sfwlchlt how was that talking to the workers?
0:03:52 > 0:03:55It's quite difficult. You can see by their reaction how concerned they
0:03:55 > 0:04:01are.Do you expect to see any money back?My experience in these matters
0:04:01 > 0:04:06is we will be lucky to get 1p in the £1.Should the Government step in
0:04:06 > 0:04:11and subsidise that?Questions have to be asked about whether Carillion
0:04:11 > 0:04:15were fit for purpose. The Government have thrown contract and contract at
0:04:15 > 0:04:20them. They are safe to trade with. That's the hes mage we were getting.
0:04:20 > 0:04:24If it's good enough for the Government. They have done their do
0:04:24 > 0:04:28you diligence we should be fine. I think we've been let down.Behind me
0:04:28 > 0:04:33is an empty building site. £165 million project sits in silence due
0:04:33 > 0:04:37to the collapse of Carillion on Monday putting tens of thousands of
0:04:37 > 0:04:41jobs at risk. What do they do? Well, they are not just a construction
0:04:41 > 0:04:46company. They are a middle man winning contracts but
0:04:46 > 0:04:54sub-contracting other companies to fulfil them.
0:04:54 > 0:04:58fulfil them. A leader campaigner joins me. What company are they?
0:04:58 > 0:05:02They don't do any of the work themselves. They existed by paying
0:05:02 > 0:05:08late. They simply utilised their supply chain to fund them. The
0:05:08 > 0:05:12writing has been the wall for a long time. They were selling off it is
0:05:12 > 0:05:16head office to raise money and they leased them back.Before they
0:05:16 > 0:05:21collapsed they were the UK's second largest construction company. Kevin
0:05:21 > 0:05:24is one of many who are suffering from the demolition of their
0:05:24 > 0:05:30business.Six months ago they were £1 billion company. Monday morning,
0:05:30 > 0:05:33they went into liquidation. Unfortunately, there will be people
0:05:33 > 0:05:39who will lose their job. We've lost the actual money of £230,000. Half a
0:05:39 > 0:05:45million worth of contracts. They have been cancelled. Carillion are
0:05:45 > 0:05:48notorious for extended payment terms. The banks pay you, not
0:05:48 > 0:05:52Carillion. The big major companies are good at competing with each
0:05:52 > 0:05:57other - how cheap can we do it? They are left with a situation where
0:05:57 > 0:06:00people lose money on jobs, or they lose money. We then have a situation
0:06:00 > 0:06:05like this.We have the doctors being paid vast amounts of money up until
0:06:05 > 0:06:10the end of the year. It looks like their bonuses have been protected
0:06:10 > 0:06:14yet when you compare that to the small firm who is going to now go
0:06:14 > 0:06:19down I think people should now really listen and watch this space
0:06:19 > 0:06:23and decide - OK, we will take measures to avoid these problems in
0:06:23 > 0:06:27the future.It's in the hands of the administrators who will try and sort
0:06:27 > 0:06:33this mess out. Like the downfall of BHS before the good people to lose
0:06:33 > 0:06:38out are the good people, the loyal workers who are now jobless. That is
0:06:38 > 0:06:43exactly right.Our thoughts are with those loyal workers at the moment.
0:06:43 > 0:06:48The story will keep developing so many repercussions.18 years since
0:06:48 > 0:06:54you worked together we did digging into the Channel 4 archives.We did.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57We found the first ever episode of Location, Location, Location from
0:06:57 > 0:07:072000.Here it is. Phil we love the way that you just... Keep appearing!
0:07:07 > 0:07:15London, one of the most lucrative property market in the entire world.
0:07:15 > 0:07:22This house, for example, in two years it doubled in value. It hes
0:07:22 > 0:07:27was worth £120,000, now worth £240,000 which is a nightmare for
0:07:27 > 0:07:30first-time How do you buyers.Get on the property ladder if you have less
0:07:30 > 0:07:33money to spend than the average London house price?That's the
0:07:33 > 0:07:39challenge to find someone a home here in the city for £100,000.
0:07:39 > 0:07:41APPLAUSE There you go.
0:07:43 > 0:07:49You never change the pair of you. That's lovely.Lovely to see that.
0:07:49 > 0:07:54Kate, I remember her name in East We knew nothing London.About
0:07:54 > 0:07:58television presenting.We knew a little bit about property.That is
0:07:58 > 0:08:03why you got the gig.No, we were approached as a result of an article
0:08:03 > 0:08:07that was in the papers about our property searching. Looking at it
0:08:07 > 0:08:13I'm like... How did they point a camera at us and let us get on with
0:08:13 > 0:08:20it?It survived those years. It's still brilliant my top three Homes
0:08:20 > 0:08:26under the Hammer and that. I can't name the other one... Countryfile.
0:08:26 > 0:08:31Of course.Now the third series of Love It or List It. You advice think
0:08:31 > 0:08:35couple, one wants to stay at home and the other wants to move on find
0:08:35 > 0:08:39a new property you are on the respective people's teams. Phil you
0:08:39 > 0:08:46are on the moving side.Correct. Kirstie you encourage them to stay
0:08:46 > 0:08:51and renovate.Yes.How did you decide? You stick to those sides?
0:08:51 > 0:08:56Never in any doubt.Absolutely not. It plays to our strengths to be
0:08:56 > 0:09:01perfectly honest. It's a natural debate that people have.Yeah.
0:09:01 > 0:09:05Everyone at some point who owns a property - shall we move? Shall we
0:09:05 > 0:09:10do it up? Shall we stay? It's a fascinating process to be involved
0:09:10 > 0:09:15in.I'm obsessed with how people use their space. A lot of us have space
0:09:15 > 0:09:19we don't use effectively and that flow and in and out of family life.
0:09:19 > 0:09:23Your home is supposed to be the thing which enables you to lead a
0:09:23 > 0:09:27happy life. To go to work, to go to school, to entertain to be with
0:09:27 > 0:09:32family and friends.Yes.It's a vessel. It's not supposed to control
0:09:32 > 0:09:37you. So often we get into a situation where it's making us
0:09:37 > 0:09:42unhappy. I think that can be fixed very often. Although sometimes, I
0:09:42 > 0:09:47have on one or two of the shows. A show tonight I walked in and I said
0:09:47 > 0:09:52- move.Really? What was so awful about the house?It's not an awful
0:09:52 > 0:09:58house at all. I didn't think it was suitable for them or could be fixed.
0:09:58 > 0:10:05Can you come round to my house directly after this show.Any time.
0:10:05 > 0:10:10It's life-changing for the couples. You did a series yesterday and that
0:10:10 > 0:10:13moment when they are sitting and deciding. Do you know which way it's
0:10:13 > 0:10:19going to go?Not at all. Sometimes I don't think they know right up until
0:10:19 > 0:10:24the fine al moment. Yesterday the couple had only just moved back into
0:10:24 > 0:10:28their house having finished with the builders. They were - does it work,
0:10:28 > 0:10:35doesn't it work? Recently I'd shown them nice houses they could have
0:10:35 > 0:10:41moved to. It was fresh. They were having the debate there and then.
0:10:41 > 0:10:46Let us see a Phil and Kirstie moment.This is an ingenious use of
0:10:46 > 0:10:52space.Do you want to come up?I know I'm going to come round a
0:10:52 > 0:10:58corner and see you sitting on a loo. I know you so well. I'm not looking.
0:10:58 > 0:11:04I'm close hes my eyes. One set of doors there. Are you sitting on a
0:11:04 > 0:11:10loo?Surprise!Honestly, it's sad how predictable you are. It's really
0:11:10 > 0:11:17sad.We've been doing this too long! APPLAUSE
0:11:17 > 0:11:22That was before the renovation, wasn't it?There is a sweet story
0:11:22 > 0:11:28about that. Her mum sent a hes mage saying her daughter who had some
0:11:28 > 0:11:31learning disabilities watched that and thought it was absolutely
0:11:31 > 0:11:34hysterical and has watched it again and again and was having a difficult
0:11:34 > 0:11:42day, didn't want to go to school. Her mum showeded
0:11:43 > 0:11:46Her mum showeded - showed it to her and it stopped her crying and she
0:11:46 > 0:11:51went to school.If you want to feel as good as that Love It or List It
0:11:51 > 0:11:55continues at 8.00pm tonight on Channel 4.
0:11:55 > 0:11:57As Phil and Kirstie know, finding the right home is always
0:11:57 > 0:12:00a challenge for a family, but so too is finding
0:12:00 > 0:12:01the right school.
0:12:01 > 0:12:03This has certainly been the case for Carrie
0:12:03 > 0:12:04and her adopted son Nathan.
0:12:04 > 0:12:07We asked them to explore a recent survey that suggests many adopted
0:12:07 > 0:12:09children in the UK are struggling to integrate into
0:12:09 > 0:12:13mainstream education.
0:12:13 > 0:12:20There you go Master Grant.Yummy, yummy.Today marks an new adventure
0:12:20 > 0:12:24for our eight-year-old son, Nathan. He is starting his first full day at
0:12:24 > 0:12:30school. I can't send Nathan to school if I can't see him. Nait arch
0:12:30 > 0:12:33was two years old when we adopted him. We were never under an illusion
0:12:33 > 0:12:37things would be easy. Who was made in my heart?I love you.You were
0:12:37 > 0:12:43made in my heart.You were made in my heart.You don't take a child
0:12:43 > 0:12:48away from their parents unless will are good reasons. Often they are
0:12:48 > 0:12:52abused, neglected and traumatised. That trauma then later begins to
0:12:52 > 0:12:56make for behavioural issues. Trying to fit into mainstream education can
0:12:56 > 0:13:00be really difficult for adoptive children. Sadly, that's what
0:13:00 > 0:13:04happened with Nathan at his previous school. Look at me, I'm not doing my
0:13:04 > 0:13:10job. In Nathan's case if someone knocks his building tower over he
0:13:10 > 0:13:15will punch him. It was those situation that is meant he was
0:13:15 > 0:13:22constantly being taken out of class. The parents started a WhatsApp group
0:13:22 > 0:13:26to speak about Nathan. Someone advised them the way to get the best
0:13:26 > 0:13:30result was to get a petition to have Nathan excluded from the school. So
0:13:30 > 0:13:36it was decided that he would have to go to a different school, a
0:13:36 > 0:13:41specialist school, and that wasn't our choice. I want you to have the
0:13:41 > 0:13:47best day ever. Each adopted child has their own story. While many
0:13:47 > 0:13:50won't struggle with behavioural issues and sail through their
0:13:50 > 0:13:56education a recent survey suggests adopted kids are 2 o 0 times more
0:13:56 > 0:14:01likely to be permanently excluded from school than their classmates --
0:14:01 > 0:14:0620. I have come to chemical weapon beachlodge School which specialises
0:14:06 > 0:14:12in supporting adopted children.
0:14:14 > 0:14:19It was founded by Daniela Shankly after her 14-year-old son was
0:14:19 > 0:14:23excluded from three schools. What was it like at school for him?Full
0:14:23 > 0:14:33of anxiety. He was dis- regulated. He would throw things, spit, and be
0:14:33 > 0:14:40violent to other children. His teacher said it was not the right
0:14:40 > 0:14:45school for him and there was not a right school. So that is why I set
0:14:45 > 0:14:57up the school.Tell me some of the different things from mainstream?We
0:14:57 > 0:15:01group children in cohorts according to emotional age, rather than
0:15:01 > 0:15:07chronological. Most classrooms are low stimulation. We have a speech
0:15:07 > 0:15:12and language therapist to help them develop relationships.I want to
0:15:12 > 0:15:14hear from the children what difference they think this approach
0:15:14 > 0:15:21makes?I would keep things inside me and it would make me angry and
0:15:21 > 0:15:26worked up. What is it like in this school? If I am upset I can talk to
0:15:26 > 0:15:31the teacher and they understand.It is easy to make friends. People do
0:15:31 > 0:15:37not judge as much.The teachers understand you more and you feel
0:15:37 > 0:15:43more free, you do not feel trapped. We do not know how separating
0:15:43 > 0:15:47children from their peers now will affect their future but these
0:15:47 > 0:15:53adoptive mums think it is the best option.My son would not cope in a
0:15:53 > 0:15:59mainstream school. What do you do? Here he can cope.Those social
0:15:59 > 0:16:05skills, they are coming. I try to mix it up out of school, taking
0:16:05 > 0:16:09George to different groups, doing swimming and things with other
0:16:09 > 0:16:18children.Our schools under pressure to meet the needs of
0:16:20 > 0:16:22to meet the needs of these children? Yes, how can one teacher be an
0:16:22 > 0:16:24expert in different children's needs. Colebourne Primary School in
0:16:24 > 0:16:32Birmingham is trying to tackle the issue. Headteacher Stuart Guest has
0:16:32 > 0:16:37been teaching his staff on attachment and trauma.We have
0:16:37 > 0:16:41introduced attachment friendly approaches such as having not having
0:16:41 > 0:16:45behaviour charts which can induce shame and having a homework approach
0:16:45 > 0:16:49to enable children to succeed, not berating them if they do not bring
0:16:49 > 0:16:55it in and since we have introduced the approaches we have noticed
0:16:55 > 0:16:58improvement in behaviour and a reduction in exclusions.I am keen
0:16:58 > 0:17:07to find out how Nathan's day went at the new school. How was it? Good. 18
0:17:07 > 0:17:12children in Nathan's School, 30 children in the school I went to see
0:17:12 > 0:17:19today. What about the thousands of others? Thanks, Carrie and Nathan.
0:17:19 > 0:17:23Good news, Nathan has settled in well and made lots of friends. It is
0:17:23 > 0:17:24going well.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27We're joined now by Becky White, the schools development
0:17:27 > 0:17:30officer from Adoption UK.
0:17:30 > 0:17:37The results from the survey are shocking. Is there a key point when
0:17:37 > 0:17:45you start to look for a solution? Three quarters of children who are
0:17:45 > 0:17:49adopted have experienced abuse and neglect in the early part of their
0:17:49 > 0:17:54life and at Adoption UK we are concerned to raise awareness of this
0:17:54 > 0:17:58and the fact the early experiences of children change how they develop
0:17:58 > 0:18:02so that many years later their foundations are different from
0:18:02 > 0:18:08children who had a secure childhood and in school it might come out of
0:18:08 > 0:18:11surprising behaviours you cannot explain but if you have an
0:18:11 > 0:18:15understanding of attachment and trauma, it becomes clear why the
0:18:15 > 0:18:19behaviour is happening and there are strategies to be more supportive and
0:18:19 > 0:18:25help the child to increase their tolerance and unable themselves to
0:18:25 > 0:18:32manage their own emotions. Awareness in education and across society that
0:18:32 > 0:18:37it is an invisible disability.It was said in the film it is hard for
0:18:37 > 0:18:42one teacher to deal with all the needs of the different children, but
0:18:42 > 0:18:47how can mainstream schools ensure they are as equipped as possible?
0:18:47 > 0:18:52There is a lot of training available on attachment and trauma and we
0:18:52 > 0:18:56found the techniques that will help children who have experienced early
0:18:56 > 0:19:03trauma and neglect will do no harm to any child will be beneficial to a
0:19:03 > 0:19:09lot of children. Many children in care will have experienced abuse and
0:19:09 > 0:19:14neglect will benefit. So seek out training and come to organisations
0:19:14 > 0:19:19like Adoption UK. We would want to call for this to be included as part
0:19:19 > 0:19:24of teacher training so when teachers begin their first year of teaching
0:19:24 > 0:19:28they know this, because it affects a significant number.And it would
0:19:28 > 0:19:34help generally with teaching.We know teachers are good at holding
0:19:34 > 0:19:39these things in mind. They manage a lot of different needs and we
0:19:39 > 0:19:45believe this could be a key for many children.What do you say to
0:19:45 > 0:19:49adoptive parents. It must be heartbreaking for them. They are
0:19:49 > 0:19:54turning up at the school and hoping their child will get through the
0:19:54 > 0:20:01day.And undergoing the walk of shame to the Headteacher's office.
0:20:01 > 0:20:06Many children adopted, the average ages three and a half. And then
0:20:06 > 0:20:09almost immediately they have to take them to school make the choice of
0:20:09 > 0:20:14which school would be the best. We recommend broadening your horizons
0:20:14 > 0:20:20to what you think the ideal school is. A small village school might be
0:20:20 > 0:20:28good but a bigger school might have more resources and experience to
0:20:28 > 0:20:32deal with unusual behaviour. We suggest you visit the school, get a
0:20:32 > 0:20:37feel for it and talk to staff and tell them your child is adopted and
0:20:37 > 0:20:42might need extra help. If they say, I am sure it will be fine, you might
0:20:42 > 0:20:48want to look elsewhere. If they say we have had training and understand
0:20:48 > 0:20:52something about attachment, you can have a conversation with the school.
0:20:52 > 0:21:03You are an adoptive mum of two. It should not put people
0:21:03 > 0:21:05should not put people off, it is tricky but there are ways around the
0:21:05 > 0:21:07school?We have wonderful stories of Adoption UK members who have found a
0:21:07 > 0:21:13great school and their children are thriving. There are challenges when
0:21:13 > 0:21:17adopting but if you cant you can seek in the initial stages to seek
0:21:17 > 0:21:23out support from organisations like Adoption UK. You have your eyes open
0:21:23 > 0:21:28to what is out there and then adoptive families can thrive and
0:21:28 > 0:21:33adopted children can do well.Thank you.
0:21:33 > 0:21:36Now, wouldn't it be great to make a name for yourself by saying
0:21:36 > 0:21:38something profound that gets quoted by millions of people
0:21:38 > 0:21:42and is remembered for generations?
0:21:42 > 0:21:44There's some great quotes we all know.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46Churchill, "We shall fight them on the beaches."
0:21:46 > 0:21:49Martin Luther King, "I have a dream."
0:21:49 > 0:21:51A personal favourite.
0:21:51 > 0:21:53"Let's see what happened when it went...
0:21:53 > 0:21:55under the hammer!"
0:21:55 > 0:21:57Arthur's been finding out about someone whose
0:21:57 > 0:21:58wonderful words we know, although the author
0:21:58 > 0:22:04is now largely forgotten.
0:22:04 > 0:22:12What is this life if, full of care, We have no time to stand and stare?
0:22:14 > 0:22:25Surely the familiar lines of poetry. Their Victorian author WH Davies has
0:22:25 > 0:22:28slipped off the literary radar along with the rest of his famous poem
0:22:28 > 0:22:33written at the height of his popularity in 1911 and recorded
0:22:33 > 0:22:39three years before his death.
0:22:39 > 0:22:42No time to stand beneath the boughs, And stare as long as sheep and cows.
0:22:42 > 0:22:44No time to see, when woods we pass,
0:22:44 > 0:22:47Where squirrels hide their nuts in grass.
0:22:47 > 0:22:51Today I am travelling to his birthplace in South Wales to find
0:22:51 > 0:22:56out about this maverick soul. By turns a petty thief and hobo who
0:22:56 > 0:23:02became one of the most established poets of his day. I have always had
0:23:02 > 0:23:07a romantic vision of where WH Davies might have been born, but, true to
0:23:07 > 0:23:15form, it is a pub in Newport. The poet himself unveiled this in 1937.
0:23:15 > 0:23:21It is very impressive, although he was not actually born here. It seems
0:23:21 > 0:23:26he got his dates wrong. A local historian has been doing detective
0:23:26 > 0:23:33work.If you look at this document, his birth certificate, you can see
0:23:33 > 0:23:37he was born in number six Portland St and the plaque is on number 12,
0:23:37 > 0:23:44the church house pub in Newport. He went to live there when he was young
0:23:44 > 0:23:48and lived with his grandfather and assumed that is where he was born.
0:23:48 > 0:23:53He was a naughty boy, he was caught stealing. He was dealt six strokes
0:23:53 > 0:23:59off the birch.He spent his 20s hitching rides on transatlantic
0:23:59 > 0:24:03cattle boats but still writing nature poetry.Poetry was pouring
0:24:03 > 0:24:09out of him but he could not find anybody interested and then he heard
0:24:09 > 0:24:16about the gold rush and joined it in Canada and while he jumped trains
0:24:16 > 0:24:22with a
0:24:22 > 0:24:24with a friend, Three Fingered Jack, he fell onto the train and his leg
0:24:24 > 0:24:27was severed.Disabled and penniless, WH Davies returned to London to try
0:24:27 > 0:24:33to sell his poetry.
0:24:37 > 0:24:38No time
0:24:38 > 0:24:39to see, in broad daylight,
0:24:39 > 0:24:44Streams full of stars, like skies at night.
0:24:44 > 0:24:49Tree surgeon Matthew is on a mission to reintroduced under which Davies
0:24:49 > 0:24:56to the British public. How did a man who live in DOS houses become a
0:24:56 > 0:25:01pillar of society?Even in his wildest days, WH stayed true to his
0:25:01 > 0:25:15roots as a poet and freethinking poet. He used Who's Who and centre
0:25:15 > 0:25:20mailshots to everybody, it in this scene, and George Bernard Shaw
0:25:20 > 0:25:23picked up his writing put him in the spheres he needed to get his work
0:25:23 > 0:25:29out there.Why is his poetry less red now than others?There is an
0:25:29 > 0:25:34argument that some of his verse is so simple, it is almost doggerel
0:25:34 > 0:25:41verse. That is a shame and I see through it to see the ethos life is
0:25:41 > 0:25:48tough, let's celebrated and live as happily as we can.This provocative
0:25:48 > 0:25:51sculpture was commissioned for Newport on the 50th anniversary of
0:25:51 > 0:25:59the poet's death. It is called Stand And Stare but the figure has a
0:25:59 > 0:26:07blanket.It is not a blanket, it is a tree form that has pushed up into
0:26:07 > 0:26:11the skin of a man like form. I wanted to say something about the
0:26:11 > 0:26:16seriousness of the poet, a great man who wrote simple things and as you
0:26:16 > 0:26:21know simple things are not that simple.I do not think Davies would
0:26:21 > 0:26:27have minded the sculpture. He was an unconventional man who lived a life
0:26:27 > 0:26:29like no other poet.
0:26:29 > 0:26:36A poor life this if, full of care, We have no time to stand and stare.
0:26:36 > 0:26:42Thank you. Gyles, the man who knows everything there is to know about
0:26:42 > 0:26:47quotes is here now.I love messing about in quotes and I have a quote
0:26:47 > 0:26:55from my two other favourite presenters. The top four in the UK.
0:26:55 > 0:26:59Location, location, location.
0:26:59 > 0:27:08Who said it first? Probably us.It was a long time ago. It was. Often
0:27:08 > 0:27:14attributed to Lord Samuel, a property developer from the 1970s
0:27:14 > 0:27:18but not, he liked to attributed it to himself. It goes back to at least
0:27:18 > 0:27:25the 20s, in the Chicago Tribune in 1926.
0:27:25 > 0:27:29Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
0:27:29 > 0:27:39Who said it first? Muhammad Ali. No, it is part of a poem. Float like a
0:27:39 > 0:27:43butterfly, sting like a bee, the hands cannot hit what they cannot
0:27:43 > 0:27:50see. A phrase invented by Drew Brown, one of Muhammad Ali's
0:27:50 > 0:27:54trainers. He heard it and thought, I will take that and because he had a
0:27:54 > 0:27:59bigger system than the trainer he got away with it. Survival of the
0:27:59 > 0:28:06fittest. Darwin. You think? Writer of the great origin of species.
0:28:06 > 0:28:14Rhondda. A friend -- that is wrong. A friend of his Herbert Spencer said
0:28:14 > 0:28:20it would be a better title than the title he gave the book. So we should
0:28:20 > 0:28:29give credit to Herbert Spencer.I am not answering any more.Have we
0:28:29 > 0:28:37time?For one more.No, I am sorry. Thanks, Gyles.Always good to see
0:28:37 > 0:28:42you. It is always good to be seen.
0:28:42 > 0:28:43Thank you Gyles.
0:28:43 > 0:28:46Thanks to Kirstie and Phil.
0:28:46 > 0:28:48We'll be back tomorrow with Monty Don.
0:28:48 > 0:28:53See you then.