:00:25. > :00:32.Hello! And welcome to an autonal The One Show with Alex Jones and
:00:32. > :00:37.with Matt Baker. Tonight's guest starred as the Royle Family's next
:00:37. > :00:43.door neighbour, the PP pment who renamed the Olympics as
:00:43. > :00:47."jubilympics". Well, now she is going to be going to the Caucasus
:00:48. > :00:52.Mountains with Hugh Bonneville. It is Jessica Hynes! I love what you
:00:52. > :00:56.pinned to your jacket? I found this lovely leaf and put it on the
:00:56. > :01:02.jacket. So, this epic drive between you and
:01:02. > :01:07.Hugh, who is the better driver? Hugh is a great driver. He is safe
:01:07. > :01:10.and confident. We shared the driver equally, so with are both good
:01:10. > :01:14.drivers, luckily. The producer rang earlier to say
:01:14. > :01:18.you were a dare devil, what can that mean? I think there was a
:01:18. > :01:24.point where they may be referring to the point where having spent a
:01:24. > :01:29.lot of time on roads up to that point, precarious roads with
:01:29. > :01:35.mountainous drops, vertical drops... It makes you wonder why you go on
:01:35. > :01:40.that. Some of the drops are horrendousous! That is the part.
:01:40. > :01:49.That is what I am talking about. Were you feeling a bit sick? There
:01:49. > :01:55.is a lot of motion in that car?! Excellent shal Did you argue or get
:01:55. > :02:00.on well? No, we got on great. We keeent each other laughing.
:02:00. > :02:07.-- we kept each other laughing. That was the main intention to keep
:02:07. > :02:11.the laughs coming. They are long days. You start at 7.00am and you
:02:12. > :02:16.don't get out of the car until 8.00pm. So you have to keep the
:02:16. > :02:21.humour levels going. Otherwise... It could get tense.
:02:21. > :02:26.It is on early next year? Yes. We are looking toward to talking
:02:26. > :02:31.about your new film, Nativity 2: Danger In The Manger, but before we
:02:31. > :02:37.get festive, let's get seasonal. Why not? We are asking you to help
:02:37. > :02:41.us mark the end of autumn. E-mail the best shots of golden leaves and
:02:41. > :02:46.landscapes an we will have a look at the end of the show.
:02:46. > :02:52.The thoughts are with you in Scotland, they are with you there.
:02:52. > :02:57.There are floods there. Let's mention it is Autumn, not Fall.
:02:57. > :03:03.That is North Americans and Americans! What is next? I don't
:03:03. > :03:06.know. Right, now, thousands of people who
:03:07. > :03:10.gossiped about Lord McAlpine on Twitter could be facing legal
:03:10. > :03:17.action, possibly bringing to the end you can say anything you want
:03:17. > :03:21.on the internet, but what is the worse crime? A fiscal assault on a
:03:21. > :03:25.person or a verbal attack made online. Tony Livesey wanted to find
:03:25. > :03:30.out what sentences you would hand down.
:03:30. > :03:34.Lately more and more people are being prosecuted for posting nasty
:03:34. > :03:39.comments on social media websites like Facebook and Twitter, but
:03:39. > :03:43.should a comment attract a prison sentence? I have come to a city
:03:43. > :03:50.famed for its Roman walls to find out what sentences the public here
:03:50. > :04:00.think are appropriate for social media crimes.
:04:00. > :04:04.Here we are with an array of sentences, with terms from two
:04:04. > :04:08.months to five years. We are seeking judges to match examples of
:04:08. > :04:11.real crimes to the sentences that they think they should have got.
:04:11. > :04:17.They don't have the background details, but I'm sure that they
:04:17. > :04:23.will have a view. You are the judge... The first case that they
:04:23. > :04:31.are comparing is that of the team here from South Wales, guilty of
:04:31. > :04:35.tweeting racist remarks about the footballer, Muamba.
:04:35. > :04:42.Two months. A minimal prison sentence and community service...
:04:42. > :04:49.We are comparing it to that of Karen Stevens, guilty of rirbally
:04:49. > :04:54.abusing a footballer to his face. 12 months.
:04:54. > :05:02.Probably three and six months. Street judges gave face testify
:05:02. > :05:07.face racism a jail term, but on a racist tweet was less harsh. The
:05:08. > :05:12.real judges thought differently. A racist tweet, jailed for 56 days.
:05:12. > :05:17.I think that is over the top. Racism is not what you want to see
:05:17. > :05:22.in any media. Rirbl abuse of -- racial abuse of a
:05:22. > :05:26.footballer, banned for football for three years and 200 hours of
:05:26. > :05:32.community service. You jailed her? Why has he been
:05:32. > :05:36.jailed for 54 days and this lady has not? That is not fair.
:05:36. > :05:41.Then we asked the judges to consider crimes against children.
:05:41. > :05:47.Matthew Woods made what would be described as abhorrent comments
:05:47. > :05:53.about the missing five-year-old, April Jones. What sentence does he
:05:53. > :05:59.deserve. Months in prison. Facebook? Here is
:05:59. > :06:05.that. You would have to teach someone a lesson. Five years.
:06:05. > :06:10.would go 12. We are going months.
:06:10. > :06:16.Most gave custodial sentences for the Facebook comments. So what
:06:16. > :06:21.sentences would they give for a sexual assault on a seven-year-old.
:06:21. > :06:29.It would be the death penalty. If that were my son, I know what I
:06:29. > :06:34.would want. Five years in prison. The courts gave an eight-month
:06:34. > :06:38.suspended prison sentence for the sexual assault, but booked the
:06:38. > :06:42.Facebooker to eight weeks, reduced on appeal.
:06:42. > :06:45.That is disgusting. What about the issue that has
:06:45. > :06:51.become prevalent with social networking that a Facebook message
:06:51. > :06:55.can lead to jail and assaulting the seven-year-old child cannot? This
:06:55. > :07:02.is crazy. My street judges think that the
:07:02. > :07:07.sentencing in some crimes is confusing. I am hoping that QC
:07:07. > :07:14.Davenport can shed light. Can there be instances when a Facebook
:07:14. > :07:18.message is dealt with more severely with the fiscal assault of a seven-
:07:18. > :07:22.year-old child. That is what people are trying to understand here?
:07:22. > :07:26.are different offences. With a survey of this kind you don't get
:07:26. > :07:30.the full picture. When a judge sentences somebody he knows about
:07:30. > :07:35.the offence, about the offender, all sorts of information.
:07:35. > :07:39.Why do you think that social media crimes are attracting high
:07:39. > :07:44.sentences? It is partly flavour of the month. The establishment, the
:07:44. > :07:48.judges and the police, for example, are taking a dim view of it.
:07:48. > :07:52.New guidelines on the sentencing of social media crimes are to be
:07:52. > :07:55.published before Christmas. If my sentencing board is anything to go
:07:55. > :08:01.by it is guidance that is very much needed.
:08:01. > :08:05.Now, the cases that we chose are not typical. Most sexual abuses are
:08:05. > :08:10.dealt with more severely, but courts are taking online comments
:08:10. > :08:14.seriously. Yes, the other distinction to make they were
:08:14. > :08:19.criminal cases and the case of Lord McAlpine is very much a civil case.
:08:19. > :08:23.He is purr seeing them rather than the police, but going back to the
:08:23. > :08:28.police. New guidelines are coming out near Christmas it seems that
:08:28. > :08:33.they will be more relaxed about what is offensive. Up to now they
:08:33. > :08:36.are dealing with about 50 cases a week of complaints on Facebook and
:08:36. > :08:41.Twitter, but the Director of Public Prosecutions is saying that is too
:08:41. > :08:46.many. So they are trying to say if you say something on Twitter that
:08:46. > :08:49.is a credible threat to someone, they will look at it, but if you
:08:49. > :08:54.are offensive, you could get away with it. The Director of Public
:08:54. > :08:58.Prosecutions said this, "The right to be offensive must be protected,
:08:58. > :09:03.the threshold therefore must be high." So you can have a go with
:09:03. > :09:07.someone on the internet and get away with it.
:09:07. > :09:11.Most people, overstepping the mark, there are a lot of people there
:09:11. > :09:16.that see you in a pub and may be offensive. So what is the
:09:16. > :09:21.difference of doing it online? main difference is it in writing.
:09:21. > :09:26.It is hard to deny you have said it. If you write something down it is
:09:26. > :09:31.there as evidence. As Lord McAlpine and his lawyers are finding out now.
:09:31. > :09:37.I think it will affect how people use social media. The lawyers are
:09:37. > :09:41.pursuing many people. It is like a free for all on Twitter. 340
:09:41. > :09:50.million messages a day. People feel that they can say what they want,
:09:50. > :09:55.but after the Lord McAlpine issue, Sally Bercow tweeted the word,
:09:55. > :10:00."Gulp." When she thought she would be pursued. I think many people
:10:00. > :10:06.will feel that way. Lord McAlpine said that Twitter is not a place to
:10:06. > :10:11.gossip with impunity. You can say have I a big nose, but you cannot
:10:11. > :10:19.tweet about my sex uelt, that is it in a simple way.
:10:19. > :10:24.You have just pointed that out! Great, now we know! Basically
:10:24. > :10:28.anyone using Twitter or Facebook must be an amateur lawyer, they
:10:28. > :10:36.have to learn about what can and cannot be said.
:10:36. > :10:40.Thank you for autumn photos you are sending in, they are falling like
:10:40. > :10:45.leafs from the tree! And Christine Walkden has been celebrating the
:10:45. > :10:48.season too by surprising the people of Birmingham in their own front
:10:48. > :10:54.gardens. That must have been a shock to them.
:10:54. > :10:59.Autumn, and our gardens are getting ready for the long winter sleep.
:10:59. > :11:09.But they don't go gently to that good night. They burn and rage
:11:09. > :11:11.
:11:11. > :11:15.going out in a blaze of glory. The flowers are more or less
:11:15. > :11:25.historical history now. I am in Birmingham to bathe in the colour
:11:25. > :11:30.from the leaves and the berries. Vir vija creeper is a star --
:11:30. > :11:35.Virginia creeper is a star. Flashing golds. Plump betterities,
:11:35. > :11:42.meals on trees for the birds, but for me, the real autumn superstars
:11:42. > :11:48.are the acers. Look at that one. It is vibrant, the leaves are stunning.
:11:48. > :11:52.I have to find out more. Where is the proud owner? This is such a
:11:52. > :11:55.beautiful example of an Acer. What do you enjoy so much about this
:11:55. > :12:00.tree? Well, just the colours, really.
:12:00. > :12:04.You know, it is uplifting. But the colour is so fleeting,
:12:04. > :12:10.isn't it? That's right, but we look forward to this particular time.
:12:10. > :12:15.What I enjoy is once it has dropped the beautiful claws and they fall
:12:15. > :12:21.lake a veil on the ground. Those fantastic leaves. Whatever you are
:12:22. > :12:27.doing to it, or it could be nothing, but you have it right. After a
:12:27. > :12:32.disappointing summer, nature's payback is a cracker of an autumn.
:12:32. > :12:38.Look at that beauty. You almost never see that in a front garden.
:12:38. > :12:43.It is a crimson glory vine. They are normally stashed in back
:12:43. > :12:49.gardens. They are draped over sheds and pergolas, what is the story?
:12:49. > :12:53.What is the history? I know nothing of it. We have had it for 2 years.
:12:53. > :12:57.Then it just appears. It is so beautiful you must get
:12:57. > :13:02.people stopping to ask about it? do. It is clearly people that know
:13:02. > :13:07.about it. They stop and ask about it and then they will take a
:13:07. > :13:14.cutting. Normally people put it on a tree or
:13:14. > :13:20.a pergola, but this is fantastic! The summerary's rain made this
:13:20. > :13:26.autumn a bonanza for berries, the moisture has made them plump.
:13:26. > :13:32.This is a beautiful tree. The pinks, the whites and often associated
:13:32. > :13:37.with the spectacular autumn colour. It sustains all of those beautiful
:13:37. > :13:42.berries. What a fantastic hedge. This house
:13:42. > :13:48.is festooned with orange treats. We have to have a closer look.
:13:49. > :13:54.Your plant is unbelieve able! thank you! How long has it been
:13:54. > :13:58.there? 23 years. Where did you put it in? It was a
:13:59. > :14:03.tiny plant when we put it in. It has gone through the tarmac.
:14:03. > :14:07.Did you have plans for it to cover the house? We didn't think it would
:14:07. > :14:12.get as big as it has, but we thought it would go up to the
:14:12. > :14:17.window. It is so beautifully trained.
:14:17. > :14:22.Sometimes it is cut about four or five times that is a year.
:14:22. > :14:25.So high maintenance? Seriously. I have to hang out of different
:14:25. > :14:30.windows. Do you get a lot of birds feeding
:14:30. > :14:34.on it? Yes, we do. Last year there were flocks of
:14:34. > :14:38.redwing. We, in fact, we could hide in the
:14:38. > :14:42.window, behind them and look out and see them feeding here.
:14:42. > :14:46.So, it is obviously a labour of love? It is, but I think it is
:14:46. > :14:55.worth it. I will say! This is a real belter
:14:55. > :15:00.it is not just bloomed, the front garden star, but at this time of
:15:00. > :15:04.year they are the fowliage that light up the nation's
:15:05. > :15:08.gardens.$$NEWLINE Lovely. I love that concept of Christine knocking
:15:08. > :15:12.on the door. Any way, would you believe this,
:15:12. > :15:19.this afternoon me and Alex went to the pictures to see a lovely film
:15:19. > :15:21.and luck would have it you were in it! Amazeing! Sometimes that
:15:21. > :15:26.happens. Nativity 2: Danger In The Manger it
:15:26. > :15:34.is out this Friday. It is about a group of schoolchildren competing
:15:34. > :15:38.at a singing competition, and then enter the angel, Angel Matthews.
:15:38. > :15:42.Yes. It is a Christmas castle that we
:15:42. > :15:51.discover. It means happy castle.
:15:51. > :15:56.Sorry, yes, it is in Welsh! Well, how would you describe your
:15:56. > :16:05.character, Jessica? She was an ex- child star. She had a number one
:16:05. > :16:10.hit with her carol in 1987 and then a number seven. Her career has not
:16:10. > :16:16.quite gone perhaps as she might have wanted it to go, but she is
:16:16. > :16:23.still performing and is very, very happy. Well, maybe she is not quite
:16:23. > :16:28.that happy, but she is now compering carol concerts and
:16:28. > :16:32.getting a chance to sing. At the back of her mind she is always
:16:32. > :16:42.hoping that maybe she will get another break.
:16:42. > :16:44.
:16:44. > :16:49.It is like an early Charlotte Church? It is a sub-, sub-, sub-
:16:49. > :16:54.Charlotte Church! Christmas is a time when we think of chocolate on
:16:54. > :17:01.the calendar. Last-minute shopping on the internet and little girls
:17:01. > :17:08.and boys welcoming in the window, wondering if Santa will bring that
:17:08. > :17:15.toy that they asked for. Without further adieu, I would like to
:17:15. > :17:21.introduce to you, Shane and the Calendar Girls, singing Counting
:17:21. > :17:31.Down to Christmas. It is a brilliant Welsh accent.
:17:31. > :17:32.
:17:32. > :17:39.Coming from you that is a great comiment. -- Compliment. Who was
:17:39. > :17:48.your inspiration? I don't know, but when I was filming it, the director
:17:48. > :17:52.sent shouting at me, remembering the accent, but it was more about
:17:52. > :18:00.the character. The accent, I tried not to push it too hard.
:18:00. > :18:06.A lot of it is improvised? It is all improvised! That is incredible.
:18:06. > :18:11.The director knew where the story would go? I turned up, obviously. I
:18:11. > :18:17.got into my dress and I was not quite sure what was, you know, I
:18:17. > :18:21.knew roughly the character. Then I was on the set, which was this
:18:22. > :18:28.massive stage. Then Debbie says, "Right, this is the situation, this
:18:28. > :18:35.is what you are doing." And off you go. You just go for it.
:18:35. > :18:39.Is it right that she film it is in order? She tries to as much as she
:18:39. > :18:44.can. You cannot always do that, but yes, she does.
:18:44. > :18:50.Well, you shine in it. It is brilliant. She is great to work
:18:50. > :18:55.with. She just goes for it. It is so much fun working for her. All of
:18:55. > :19:00.the kids in it were just amazing. So, you feel yourself flagging and
:19:00. > :19:06.there they are, still going! It was a great experience.
:19:06. > :19:12.Well it put us in the festive mood. Yes. Well if you have been watching
:19:12. > :19:15.over the last couple of weeks you will know we have had an incredible
:19:15. > :19:21.time with Children in Need. Team Rickshaw raised so much money. The
:19:21. > :19:31.money is still coming in. In fact, the figure now stands at a
:19:31. > :19:32.
:19:32. > :19:36.remarkable... Come on! That is amazing! Like I say, the money is
:19:36. > :19:41.still coming in. Thank you! Thank you so much.
:19:41. > :19:50.As we remind ourselves of their amazing efforts, spare a little
:19:50. > :19:55.thought for their families. It all started ten days ago in clan
:19:55. > :20:00.did know, North Wales with the first of many early starts.
:20:00. > :20:06.See you later. James kicked off the 411-mile journey to London.
:20:07. > :20:12.This is so unfair. The weather is just ridiculous! The wind in James'
:20:12. > :20:17.face, the rain is coming down, but, you know what, he has done it.
:20:17. > :20:21.Nobody knew how much of the strain each team member could take. Not
:20:21. > :20:26.even the parents who watched anxiously from the sidelines as the
:20:26. > :20:35.miles ticked by. That is right. Turn is slowly. Nice
:20:35. > :20:41.and gently on the legs. Can you feel the burn? Yeah! Good boy.
:20:41. > :20:45.Spirits were high as Ciaran road into Cardiff on day four. Can you
:20:45. > :20:49.believe what Ciaran has achieved? He always fight force anything, but
:20:49. > :20:53.he has surpassed all expectations again.
:20:53. > :20:58.As the challenge entered day five, the public support helped to keep
:20:58. > :21:03.the tired riders going. The Fire Brigade are out! We will
:21:03. > :21:09.never forget the moment that Jamilla, who does not have the best
:21:09. > :21:12.head for heights took the rickshaw over the Severn, and nor will her
:21:12. > :21:18.mum. You will not believe how high you are now.
:21:18. > :21:24.She has done so well. So, so, well. I'm so proud of her.
:21:24. > :21:31.APPLAUSE Here they are, the Team Rickshaw!
:21:31. > :21:37.They are Rickshaw Rockers! They must make you proud? Very, very
:21:37. > :21:45.proud. He is inspiration to me, let alone him! Day six brought more
:21:45. > :21:50.pain. James was in the saddle for the steepest of the hills.
:21:51. > :21:54.This hill is absolutely massive. And emotional welcome awaited
:21:54. > :21:59.Lauren. You will never believe this, but
:21:59. > :22:04.Lauren still own as wheelchair. I sat in my chair last night for a
:22:04. > :22:10.breather. I am unused to it a wee bit. I
:22:10. > :22:16.thought I would be in it more. With everything, my postures,
:22:16. > :22:25.confidence... You should be very proud, I think!. Yeah.
:22:25. > :22:35.Nobody did more than Ciaran, to defy expectations after needing a
:22:35. > :22:35.
:22:35. > :22:40.day off to rest. It is really great to achieve what
:22:40. > :22:45.you set out to complete. Day eight and the team crossed the
:22:45. > :22:51.finish line with Darren. Come on, team, let's get it over
:22:51. > :22:57.the finish line! We did it! APPLAUSE
:22:58. > :23:07.Wow! What a week. You can still donate. Jessica, will you please
:23:08. > :23:19.
:23:19. > :23:25.tell them how: To show your support Now, they were amazing, Team
:23:25. > :23:29.Rickshaw, but you are involved in a charity called Action for Children,
:23:29. > :23:32.aren't you? I have supported them for about six years. They are
:23:32. > :23:36.working with UK families who are struggling. At the moment they are
:23:36. > :23:40.really in need of support. They have had a lot of families coming
:23:40. > :23:43.to them, about two thirds of centres are people helping families,
:23:43. > :23:47.that are trying to meet their demands.
:23:47. > :23:52.You are doing something over Christmas? I talked to them about
:23:52. > :23:57.what we could do. I thought about my actions for children's Christmas.
:23:57. > :24:05.So I decided to give up Christmas presents and explained that to my
:24:05. > :24:11.children and we can go to their website, actionforchildren.org and
:24:11. > :24:15.go to their urgent Christmas appeal and find out about the kind of
:24:15. > :24:19.families who you can donate Christmas presents to. Many were
:24:19. > :24:28.facing a Christmas without even food on the table. So instead of
:24:28. > :24:32.buying me a Christmas present donate me �5 or �30 or anything,
:24:32. > :24:37.and help teach your children that Christmas is about giving. That in
:24:37. > :24:43.itself is a gift. I do feel that. It is a brilliant idea.
:24:43. > :24:47.Right, Smith Smith smuth continues his tour of famous bedrooms. He is
:24:47. > :24:53.spending the night in Rudyard Kipling's house. Rudyard Kipling
:24:53. > :24:59.also liked a private joke at the expense of his famous guests.
:24:59. > :25:09.Rudyard Kipling bought this house in 1902.
:25:09. > :25:13.
:25:13. > :25:18.He paid �9,300 for it and declared, "Behold us, lawful owners of a
:25:18. > :25:25.Lichin house." The great author was famous for works like The Jungle
:25:25. > :25:31.Books and Just So Stories. He was in the house with his wife
:25:31. > :25:41.and their two young children. The house is full of names, including
:25:41. > :25:42.
:25:42. > :25:47.the likes of explorers, Scott and Shackleton. Even a Prime Minister.
:25:47. > :25:55.It is a particular privilege to stay here, Rudyard Kipling was very
:25:55. > :26:03.choosy about his guests. The King of Sian, wanted to visit
:26:03. > :26:09.here. Rudyard Kipling was contacted to ask if he would mind putting him
:26:09. > :26:19.up, but he said that he had a group of scouts coming that day, that
:26:19. > :26:19.
:26:19. > :26:24.they would have to tell him "no". What is this FIP? That was people
:26:24. > :26:33.who fell in the pond. Rudyard Kipling built a rose garden
:26:33. > :26:40.for his wife, Carey, the story of this table is a wonderful tale of
:26:40. > :26:45.marital harmony. Mrs Kipling wanted it downstairs in the particle our.
:26:45. > :26:51.Rudyard Kipling wanted it in the study. You will be surprised to
:26:51. > :26:57.learn that she won, but he made a second copy for himself! Everything
:26:57. > :27:01.is the same, but he needed extra leaves to give him extra space. He
:27:01. > :27:04.was a messy worker. In many ways he was a child that
:27:04. > :27:09.never grew up. Working in the mornings and in the afternoon
:27:09. > :27:14.playing with the dogs, the children, his time to explore the world, the
:27:14. > :27:20.estate and to explore his fantasies, I suppose.
:27:20. > :27:23.The Rudyard Kipling bed radiological is now -- bedroom is
:27:24. > :27:29.now the livingroom. Before I retire for the night,
:27:29. > :27:36.though, I will sample some of the hospital ity.
:27:36. > :27:41.The dress was always smart attire, but the food, after years of spicy
:27:41. > :27:48.food in India, Rudyard Kipling suffered from ulcers, so fancy
:27:48. > :27:54.dishes were off the menu... If you can keep your head when all about
:27:54. > :28:01.you are losing theirs and blaming it on you... Rudyard Kipling's
:28:01. > :28:07.famous poem If, ends with the words, "You will be a man, my son." Trajly,
:28:07. > :28:13.his only son died within weeks of joining the First World War. John
:28:13. > :28:18.was a keen volunteer, originally turned down for poor eyesight, but
:28:18. > :28:23.his father intervened, getting him into the Irish Guards.
:28:23. > :28:29.Rudyard Kipling blamed himself for that. In this room there is a
:28:29. > :28:34.poingnancy hanging in the air. Such a sad, sad story with his son.
:28:34. > :28:38.Yes, very sad. Well, we would like to say thank
:28:38. > :28:43.you for all of the wonderful pictures you u have sent in. This
:28:43. > :28:47.is from Helen in Rochdale. Look at that, Tony from Stoke-on-Trent sent
:28:47. > :28:52.this in. It looks lick it has a life of its own.
:28:52. > :28:58.And this one here. This is from bell
:28:58. > :29:03.Bella from Bath, it is difficult to know which way that is supposed to
:29:03. > :29:08.go up. And this is Coe, this is her in the
:29:08. > :29:12.forest. And this one from Ayrshire. Lovely.
:29:13. > :29:16.Beautiful colours. We noticed a change cycling down Wales and
:29:16. > :29:20.across London. Thank you to everybody who has been on the show.
:29:20. > :29:22.Thank you to Jessica and Nativity 2: Danger In The Manger is out on