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:00:05. > :00:10.Barack Obama on his visit, what was going through your mind? Well, he

:00:10. > :00:15.was running late, it was a big day, huge meetings, crisis meetings,

:00:15. > :00:19.would he turn up at all? We had 22 minutes, we were told, no more than

:00:19. > :00:25.that. And halfway through the interview, my earpiece goes, so, no

:00:25. > :00:31.timings. So, I'm busking it. After a while, I can see frantic figures

:00:31. > :00:38.behind me waving, but, reasonably well prepared, tried to be well

:00:38. > :00:42.prepared, having chats with the editor, and just go in and do it.

:00:42. > :00:46.But he took a transatlantic flight just to do that. Absolutely. We

:00:46. > :00:50.were working for a long time to get at interview, up against other

:00:50. > :00:57.people who were also trying to get it. So feeling that we had cracked

:00:57. > :01:02.it, but also worrying that we might fail to ask the right questions.

:01:02. > :01:07.What is it like sitting down to do an interview like that? I have got

:01:07. > :01:14.butterflies, and mops and everything else. One thing we will

:01:14. > :01:18.be talking about tonight will be Andrew Marr's new book. We will

:01:18. > :01:22.also be finding about the preparations one little boy has put

:01:22. > :01:30.in place to make sure that Santa has a smooth arrival to his house

:01:30. > :01:35.this Christmas. Merry Christmas! What's going on there? But first,

:01:35. > :01:41.it is the season of goodwill, and Christmas is alive and well on the

:01:41. > :01:49.outskirts of Glasgow. Simon Boazman went to the notorious Easterhouse

:01:50. > :01:55.to find out how they would be celebrating Christmas this year.

:01:55. > :01:59.These words will mean little to people outside of Scotland, but

:01:59. > :02:04.everything to the kids of Easterhouse. They're just some of

:02:04. > :02:08.the names of the gangs which have a long history on these streets. This

:02:08. > :02:13.area has been notorious for decades for deprivation, drugs and vicious

:02:13. > :02:18.gang rivalry. But things seem to be improving. There has been a

:02:18. > :02:22.reduction in gang violence. We are not here to add another tale of woe.

:02:22. > :02:27.Instead, we have come to see a charity which is doing all it can

:02:27. > :02:31.to bring together a community which has been so divided in the past.

:02:31. > :02:35.Fare, Family Action in Rogerfield and Easterhouse, was set up in 1989

:02:35. > :02:39.by local people to provide something for the kids to go. It

:02:39. > :02:44.started off as a pool table in the back of a shop but it has grown

:02:44. > :02:47.into a valued community resort and a rich chief executive. We work

:02:48. > :02:52.with schools, we provide youth clubs in here, we take them on

:02:52. > :02:56.holidays, to get them out of this environment, let them see that

:02:56. > :03:00.there are opportunities and possibilities for them. But today,

:03:00. > :03:04.the clubs are closed, and the kids are set to work to make campus for

:03:04. > :03:08.the older people on the estate. To understand why such community

:03:08. > :03:13.spirit is so important here, you have to understand the deep rooted

:03:13. > :03:20.gang history of the area. Chris has been coming here for 22 years,

:03:20. > :03:25.first as a child, but now, he works here. In the mid- 1950s, there were

:03:25. > :03:32.no local shops or anything for people to do. Gangs evolve quickly

:03:32. > :03:38.in that environment. Rivalries evolved between different streets,

:03:38. > :03:40.just 100 yards away. Even superstars like Frankie Vaughan

:03:41. > :03:46.were trying to get generations of youngsters to put down their

:03:47. > :03:52.weapons. Today, projects like Fare are finally getting people from

:03:52. > :03:55.different areas to work and play together. You can see how this is

:03:55. > :03:59.bringing people together, to improve the community. Young people

:03:59. > :04:03.do not really get the opportunity to meet older people and understand

:04:03. > :04:08.them. Older people can be a bit wary about meeting young people and

:04:08. > :04:18.understanding them. So it is taking a positive opportunity for young

:04:18. > :04:22.and old to come together. One of those young people is Dean. Until

:04:22. > :04:29.recently he was heavily involved with gangs, but now, he's a trainee

:04:29. > :04:38.youth worker. It was just really a sense of belonging. When I was at a

:04:38. > :04:45.very young age, I was three, and I had lost my dad. I had lost my dad

:04:45. > :04:50.to a gang. So I did not get to know my dad. It was just belonging

:04:50. > :04:58.somewhere, I felt I was needed. What kind of stuff were you getting

:04:58. > :05:04.up to?. It was smashing windows, gang fighting, it was the adrenalin

:05:04. > :05:09.rush, getting chased by the police and stuff. It was day-in, day-out.

:05:09. > :05:12.Dean showed me the borders of his old gang territory. This patch of

:05:12. > :05:17.land separates three traditional gang areas. Would you be cautious

:05:17. > :05:21.going over to some of those areas now? I would be, but I'm starting

:05:21. > :05:28.to progress with them, taking them to football and stuff, letting them

:05:28. > :05:34.know that I have changed. Today, Dean is helping co-ordinate the

:05:34. > :05:38.hampered deliveries. For all the perceptions people have about

:05:38. > :05:40.Easterhouse, this is the real Easterhouse. I don't know that

:05:40. > :05:45.there are many communities across the country which would generate

:05:45. > :05:49.this kind of spirit. Time to start delivering the hampers to the

:05:49. > :05:55.pensioners. It is estimated that only 5% of youngsters in

:05:55. > :06:00.Easterhouse are active in gangs, but the territorial is an effect

:06:00. > :06:05.them all. That's one reason we are travelling by minibus. I was

:06:05. > :06:11.brought up in another area. that would have been a rival area?

:06:11. > :06:15.Yes. They were big rivals, and still are. But now, we're working

:06:15. > :06:21.together, showing young people that with schemes like this, we can come

:06:21. > :06:27.together and mingle. The first deliveries are in a territory which

:06:27. > :06:33.until recently team would never have expected to bring gifts.

:06:33. > :06:43.think that's great. Does it help build a community? Oh, yes, you

:06:43. > :06:45.

:06:45. > :06:50.give them a kiss, and it makes it better. Go on, then. Lovely. As we

:06:51. > :06:55.were just saying, you reported from Easterhouse back in the 1980s.

:06:55. > :07:01.I was working for the Scotsman. I was born in Glasgow but was not

:07:01. > :07:05.brought up there. What were your impressions? It was a classic post-

:07:05. > :07:09.war estate, where lots of people were shoved out of the centre of

:07:09. > :07:14.Glasgow, into a very large area. Not enough pubs, cinemas, shops,

:07:14. > :07:19.public spaces - what was there to do? That's why it has had so many

:07:19. > :07:22.problems. What was nice about that film was, the people in Glasgow are

:07:22. > :07:29.the warmest and funniest people you will find anywhere in the British

:07:29. > :07:34.Isles. Great people, but they have had some very, very Hard times.

:07:34. > :07:39.grew up in Dundee, do you go back to Scotland are not? Yes, I go to

:07:39. > :07:43.Edinburgh, which is Glasgow's great rival. All of Scotland's modern

:07:43. > :07:50.history is the fight between Glasgow and Edinburgh. Totally

:07:50. > :07:54.different world views. Yes, I go back a bit, but not enough. I went

:07:54. > :07:56.through a dimmer on my rickshaw, they gave me a lovely send-off. If

:07:56. > :08:00.you're feeling a bit guilty about the Christmas trees which are being

:08:00. > :08:07.chopped down, then here's Miranda Krestovnikoff to make you feel a

:08:07. > :08:11.bit better. Though December is the season of goodwill, it can also

:08:11. > :08:17.herald a season of guilt, as we buy Christmas trees that have been cut

:08:17. > :08:21.down just for us. But it does not have to be a worry. Around 8

:08:21. > :08:25.million real Christmas trains are sold each year in Britain. But

:08:25. > :08:30.actually, they're not just for the festive season, because where they

:08:30. > :08:36.grow, wildlife can flourish. A couple of decades ago, this man

:08:36. > :08:42.gave up farming to concentrate on growing Christmas trees. On his 40

:08:42. > :08:50.acre site near Wellington in Somerset, he grows around 70,000

:08:50. > :08:55.trees in yearly blocks. The change has boosted wildlife. 20 years ago,

:08:55. > :09:00.we used to farm potatoes, beef, that kind of thing. We never had

:09:00. > :09:05.all the wildlife that we have got now. What is it about the Christmas

:09:05. > :09:10.trees that they like? It never dries out, you never get a frost on

:09:10. > :09:14.it. Last winter, when it was really bad, we got no end of wildlife

:09:14. > :09:22.coming in underneath. If you're chopping these trees down, you're

:09:22. > :09:27.taking the cover away, aren't you? It is kind of farming Forestry, if

:09:27. > :09:32.you like. The wildlife just moves with it. There are hundreds of

:09:32. > :09:36.Christmas Tree growers in the UK, and it is the bigger trees on the

:09:36. > :09:41.plantations which provider winter bonus for many animals. Just being

:09:41. > :09:48.in amongst them, you feel very little wind chill, it is like being

:09:48. > :09:53.inside a great big, living duvet. And it is that which brings in all

:09:53. > :09:57.sorts of wildlife during the winter. In spring and summer, some of the

:09:58. > :10:01.birds prefer the smaller trees, which are more closely packed. What

:10:01. > :10:08.about this one, with the the leader of the Labour Party, Ed Miliband,?

:10:08. > :10:14.Yes, it has got a label because we know there is a nest in there.

:10:14. > :10:20.was nesting in there? That would have been a blackbird. We will just

:10:20. > :10:25.let them be, put a label on it, walk away, and come back several

:10:25. > :10:32.weeks later to finish the pruning. Growers continually prune and cut

:10:32. > :10:35.their trees, aiming to get the perfect shape. But wildlife can

:10:35. > :10:42.cause problems for the very top. This can be the most important bit

:10:42. > :10:46.of people's Christmas trees. Yes. That looks quite a good one. Yes,

:10:46. > :10:52.it is pretty well perfect, the right length, with the right amount

:10:52. > :10:59.of buds on it. But that one looks not quite so perfect. This one,

:10:59. > :11:05.when it was young, quite soft, the birds tend to come in and pitch on

:11:05. > :11:10.it, and of course, they break it. They can be repaired, but there is

:11:10. > :11:19.a cunning ploy to stop it happening too often. And this is the

:11:19. > :11:26.Christmas tree grow up's nifty trick, it is a mobile perch, and

:11:26. > :11:29.the songbird comes along and sits on it, and everybody's happy. So,

:11:29. > :11:36.these small forests dotted around the country are not just for

:11:36. > :11:41.Christmas, they are a gift for wildlife all year round. Where do

:11:41. > :11:45.you stand, real Christmas tree, or artificial ones, like us?

:11:45. > :11:51.Delightful though it is, I have to say, real Christmas tree, so you

:11:51. > :11:57.can smell it. I'm with you. What have you gone for this year on

:11:57. > :12:06.yours? As ever, huge quantities of bad taste, and two mad cats trying

:12:06. > :12:09.to bring it down from below. Moving on to your book, The Diamond Queen,

:12:09. > :12:15.and you have spoken to friends, ladies-in-waiting, lots of

:12:15. > :12:19.different sources for information - how would you sum her upper?

:12:19. > :12:23.Although we are all supposed to be her subjects, she is the ultimate

:12:23. > :12:27.servant of Britain, I think. She took over when she was a young girl,

:12:27. > :12:32.and then when she became Queen, to serve, and she has done it every

:12:32. > :12:36.single day, every day, she's reading the red boxes, attending

:12:36. > :12:45.meetings, meeting people, handing things out, travelling. It is a

:12:45. > :12:50.relentless life. Amazing energy, she has. Yes, her husband once said

:12:50. > :12:56.that nobody would choose this life. But she has never failed to turn up,

:12:56. > :13:01.it has been a remarkable story. in preparation for the book, you

:13:01. > :13:05.look at every history book about the royal family since about 1917 -

:13:05. > :13:10.what surprised you most? Well, among the particular stories that I

:13:10. > :13:15.was struck by was the fact that she fell in love when the Duke of

:13:15. > :13:19.Edinburgh when she was 13. That was when she was first struck by him.

:13:19. > :13:25.And she appears never to have looked at anybody else. He's now 90,

:13:25. > :13:33.she, 85, it is quite a love story, actually. When did she first see

:13:33. > :13:36.him, then? She was with her parents, at Dartmouth, the royal naval

:13:36. > :13:39.training college, and he was one of the young Cadets who was given the

:13:39. > :13:43.job after looking after the Princess's. And he has been looking

:13:43. > :13:47.after them ever since, if you think about it. We're going to have a

:13:48. > :13:52.look at some of the extraordinary photos from the book. One of these,

:13:52. > :13:58.the Queen in pantomime, who would have thought it? That's right.

:13:58. > :14:00.During the war, at Windsor, she and Margaret, her younger sister,

:14:00. > :14:05.appeared in pantomimes every Christmas. They were apparently

:14:05. > :14:10.very good performers. Margaret was perhaps the more extrovert of the

:14:10. > :14:18.two. But if you were asking, where did the Queen first learn to

:14:18. > :14:23.perform in public? Answer, it was in a pantomime. Oh, no, it wasn't.

:14:23. > :14:29.There's another great photo we have found, what's going on? That's

:14:29. > :14:33.Charles trying out an early car, he has had a rather bigger cars since

:14:33. > :14:37.then. Interestingly, the Queen is a very keen amateur photographer, she

:14:37. > :14:41.takes lots and lots of photographs. I think the Queen's personal

:14:41. > :14:46.collections of photographs and films, if and when they are ever

:14:46. > :14:56.seen, will be a real story. Is that what she does most in her spare

:14:56. > :14:59.

:14:59. > :15:06.No, she is a great outdoors person. She enjoys courses, she will not

:15:06. > :15:12.wear a helmet -- she enjoys outdoor riding. She enjoys watching

:15:12. > :15:16.television. She does a lot of the things the rest of us do. She is 18

:15:16. > :15:22.television viewer. She says to me all the time, I never miss The One

:15:22. > :15:30.Show, one and never misses The One Show. She thinks it's called after

:15:30. > :15:33.her. Do you think the Jubilee will further cement a relationship with

:15:33. > :15:39.Great Britain? In the last year, the relationship has grown stronger

:15:39. > :15:43.and stronger. It has been an amazing year with the Royal Wedding,

:15:43. > :15:48.the fantastic trip to Australia and this historic trip to Ireland, when

:15:48. > :15:53.a member of the Royal Family has been for a century. The Jubilee is

:15:53. > :15:56.going to be fantastic. We will look back on a 60 years. Not all of us

:15:56. > :16:01.can remember it vividly, but it is a chance for everyone in Britain to

:16:01. > :16:05.think about those 60 years and or she has contributed. I reckon it

:16:05. > :16:10.will be a very serious party. Andrew's book is absolutely rammed

:16:10. > :16:15.with content, it is a great read and the diamond -- The Diamond

:16:15. > :16:20.Queen is out now. You have had a long career in journalism, hardly

:16:20. > :16:27.ever gone under career -- undercover? I haven't, no. I think

:16:27. > :16:36.now it wouldn't work. Not now! He they will say, you are Andrew Marr,

:16:36. > :16:40.we can tell by the years -- they Anita Rani looks back to tell a

:16:40. > :16:44.remarkable story of one of the pioneers of undercover journalism.

:16:44. > :16:48.These days, we are used to journalists going deep undercover

:16:48. > :16:53.to expose wrongdoing. But the story of undercover journalism is a good

:16:53. > :16:57.deal older than you might think. This is one of a series of shots

:16:57. > :17:03.taken of London which, when they were published in 1904, caused a

:17:03. > :17:08.sensation. In the 1900, this area was blighted by poverty, but it was

:17:08. > :17:12.a largely hidden world until all live now very decided to both

:17:12. > :17:16.immerse herself in it. She was a staunchly middle-class Anglo Indian,

:17:16. > :17:20.a graduate of the Royal College of Music he campaigned on behalf of

:17:20. > :17:23.the poor. She took the same jobs they did, living their lives for

:17:23. > :17:30.weeks at a time, and she arranged for a series of candid photographs

:17:30. > :17:34.to be taken. Here she is pictured in an East End sweetshop. Dr Ruth

:17:34. > :17:38.Livesey is an expert in Victorian Studies, who has looked into how

:17:38. > :17:43.reporting was changing towards the end of the 19th century. There is

:17:43. > :17:48.the introduction of mass education in the 1870s. For the first time,

:17:48. > :17:52.we have a mass reading public. With this new readership come new forms

:17:52. > :17:57.of reading material, of course, most notably, this so-called

:17:57. > :18:02.sensation journalism. This new sort of journalism could expose

:18:02. > :18:05.injustices. By doing this, it you could appeal to a mass market.

:18:05. > :18:10.printing technology meant that photographs could be reproduced

:18:10. > :18:15.widely in magazines. People were used illustrations but not seeing

:18:15. > :18:20.it photographed. There is a bit of a thrill seeing, is that what is

:18:20. > :18:25.going on just round the corner? Olive quickly realised how powerful

:18:25. > :18:31.photographs could be. In 1904, she approached the influential peers

:18:31. > :18:41.since magazine, with an idea for a series of illustrated articles --

:18:41. > :18:47.The pictures were taken quite openly. Photography was new to most

:18:47. > :18:51.people. To modernise, they look staged and theatrical, but they

:18:51. > :19:01.brought to life her articles, which brought to life her articles, which

:19:01. > :19:06.

:19:06. > :19:09.describes terribly hard lives. She This doctor is an expert in the

:19:09. > :19:13.19th and early twentieth-century writing, who has studied her work.

:19:13. > :19:17.She felt the best way to write about their lives was to go

:19:17. > :19:21.undercover as a journalist. She worked as a flower girl, in a bar.

:19:21. > :19:26.It gave her the opportunity to experience intimacies with other

:19:26. > :19:30.working women that she never would have had a chance to do as a member

:19:30. > :19:36.of the respectable middle classes. Olive caused a sensation with these

:19:36. > :19:41.articles, she became a celebrity. That combination of sensationalism

:19:41. > :19:45.and campaigning is still a powerful journalistic tool. Stuart Purvis is

:19:45. > :19:49.a professor of journalism who understands the legacy left by

:19:49. > :19:53.pioneers. The baths kind of undercover reporting is when you

:19:53. > :19:57.have a sense that something is going wrong -- the best kind. You

:19:57. > :20:00.get your cameras in the undercover, you see the wrong, and then the

:20:00. > :20:05.wrong is corrected because of what to have discovered. It is still

:20:05. > :20:15.terribly important. It has an amazing impact. If all of was still

:20:15. > :20:18.

:20:18. > :20:23.alive, I am sure she would feel -- It is a fantastic legacy that she

:20:23. > :20:27.has. Money she raised from a journalism and photography was used

:20:27. > :20:31.to fund campaigns to alleviate poverty and advance women's rights.

:20:31. > :20:37.Although her active campaigning was ended by her early death at the age

:20:37. > :20:41.of just 37. An extraordinary story.

:20:41. > :20:45.Matt Allwright joins us, merry Christmas. You have been involved

:20:45. > :20:51.in lots of programmes that used secret filming, but how would you

:20:51. > :20:55.prepare for an undercover reporter? On the BBC, you have do provides

:20:55. > :21:00.evidence that something is wrong in the first place -- you have to

:21:00. > :21:04.provide. We call it prima facie evidence, that is how you start to

:21:04. > :21:08.seek permission to film Secret Love. Once you have got that permission,

:21:08. > :21:12.it is a case of -- to film secretly. Then it is a case of getting into

:21:12. > :21:16.the role, you have to create a story that feels authentic, that

:21:16. > :21:22.you'll be able to sustain over the weeks and months you will be under

:21:22. > :21:27.cover. Because if your cover is blown, there can be serious

:21:27. > :21:31.repercussions all but it is very gruelling mentally and requires a

:21:31. > :21:34.great deal of preparation. And a real knack to draw out that

:21:34. > :21:39.information. You have to be the sort of person that people want to

:21:39. > :21:42.talk to. You have two jobs going on at the same time, you have to have

:21:42. > :21:46.a split personality. The guys who do this say it is absolutely

:21:46. > :21:49.exhausting. Some areas of journalism have been getting bad

:21:49. > :21:54.press at the moment. When secret from him works, it can be

:21:54. > :21:59.incredibly successful. It can, it gets great result and it makes for

:21:59. > :22:05.gripping viewing. In 2003, there was a show called the Secret

:22:05. > :22:09.policeman's. A reporter called Mark Daly went undercover for seven

:22:09. > :22:13.months full-time with the Greater Manchester Police, investigating

:22:13. > :22:17.institutional racism, living as a policeman, passing through training.

:22:17. > :22:22.He was doing the job, but at the same time, he was trying to find

:22:22. > :22:25.that evidence, following the story. The results made for some very

:22:25. > :22:29.shocking viewing, as we can see it. This is a moment when he has gained

:22:29. > :22:39.the trust of one of his colleagues, and the guy is speaking incredibly

:22:39. > :22:45.

:22:45. > :22:49.That is the sort of thing that you wouldn't get any other way, that

:22:49. > :22:53.kind of frank expression. You can only really get from under cover

:22:53. > :22:57.filming. It is worth saying that the programme also found that

:22:57. > :23:00.officers like that, who spoke like that, were in the minority and it

:23:00. > :23:06.did not reflect the greater Manchester Police as a whole. But

:23:06. > :23:09.it did result in 10 officers resigning, 12 more being

:23:09. > :23:15.disciplined and three police trainers being removed from their

:23:16. > :23:19.posts. As former editor of the Independent, or do you hope will

:23:19. > :23:23.come out of this inquiry into ethics? -- what do you hope. It has

:23:23. > :23:27.been a terrible time but it is important that we don't have a

:23:27. > :23:30.state control of the press. Many of the politicians are very sore over

:23:30. > :23:35.the MPs' expenses scandal and we don't want them using this to clamp

:23:35. > :23:39.down. The best undercover reporter, the most successful one, was Mazher

:23:39. > :23:42.Mahmood, the so-called fake sheikh, who worked for the News of the

:23:42. > :23:48.World, which was the first victim of this terrible phone hacking

:23:48. > :23:51.stuff. What ever you think of that paper, he was a very brave, very

:23:51. > :23:56.successful undercover reporter, who exposed quite a lot of wrong doing.

:23:56. > :23:59.Thank you. It is not long until Santa Claus

:23:59. > :24:04.sets off on the North Pole to deliver all those presents to

:24:04. > :24:07.children around the world. Lucy Siegle has been to meet basic year-

:24:07. > :24:11.old from just outside of Cirencester, who was worried that

:24:11. > :24:15.Santa might not be able to get down his chimney, so he started to think

:24:15. > :24:19.big. Really big. Christmas Eve when children all

:24:19. > :24:23.over the world are fast asleep, dreaming of opening their stockings

:24:23. > :24:32.on Christmas morning. Santa Claus will be busy travelling from home

:24:32. > :24:36.to home, to deliver their presence. -- presents. 16-year-old boy wants

:24:36. > :24:41.Santa Claus to deliver his presence the traditional way, down the

:24:41. > :24:45.chimney. His mum is having a new house built at Lower Mill Estate.

:24:45. > :24:50.We were looking over the plans of our new house, Leo was getting

:24:50. > :24:56.quite involved. Santa won't be able to fit down, there is no chimney,

:24:56. > :25:03.he said. Tongue-in-cheek, I said, or write a letter. As well as

:25:03. > :25:13.writing his letter, he wrote one to the owner of the estate. Dear Mr

:25:13. > :25:15.

:25:15. > :25:18.Paxton. I think Santa Claus will get stuck. Please can you help.

:25:18. > :25:22.got this wonderful letter from 6- year-old Leo, and he was dreadfully

:25:22. > :25:25.worried about his mum and dad's Jimmy not been big enough on the

:25:25. > :25:31.house they were building. letter was passed to the architect

:25:31. > :25:37.to see if he could design a Santa friendly chimney. We found out more

:25:37. > :25:42.about Santa's dimensions and of his sack. A mathematician gave us an

:25:42. > :25:45.equation that we followed, plugged it into a 3D computer model, and we

:25:45. > :25:54.physically low at Santa into the chimney that we had built on the

:25:54. > :25:59.The prototype has been tested -- has been finished and is ready to

:25:59. > :26:08.be tested. This is a typically precise experiment. The equation

:26:08. > :26:12.has been worked out by mathematicians. It used to puzzle

:26:12. > :26:18.us, how Santa could travel around the world on Christmas Eve and

:26:18. > :26:24.deliver presents to every body. But absent, we'd been strange behaviour

:26:24. > :26:28.in particles called neutrinos -- but at CERN. If Santa can use those,

:26:28. > :26:33.he can do anything. Somebody has taken the time to work this out for

:26:33. > :26:39.you, so you must be very grateful. A lot of children ask how to get in

:26:39. > :26:43.if they haven't got a chimney. We can use the miniaturise --

:26:43. > :26:53.miniaturisation technique, or it is the magic heal. If you have that,

:26:53. > :26:53.

:26:53. > :26:57.you'll be able to get in to deliver See you on the other side.

:26:57. > :27:07.There is always a chance that the chimney might not yet be right, so

:27:07. > :27:09.

:27:09. > :27:16.everyone is a little worried. So, the oh got his wish for a Santa

:27:16. > :27:24.friendly chimney, just in time for Christmas -- Leo got his wish.

:27:24. > :27:28.He has made it down, that's brilliant news. Andhra, let's set

:27:28. > :27:32.the scene, it is Christmastide, you tiptoe down the stairs for a glass

:27:32. > :27:42.of warm or, and you are faced with Father Christmas. The injury that

:27:42. > :27:43.

:27:43. > :27:47.everybody wants. What question are you asking. OK, tens of millions of

:27:47. > :27:52.paths, almost everyone with a glass of whisky or sherry. They'll always

:27:52. > :28:01.gone by the morning. Is he really safe, driving that thing? That is

:28:02. > :28:08.That is a good one. What happens in your household, Christmas Day?

:28:08. > :28:12.that turkey. I stagger up, presence around the tree. Not going to tell

:28:12. > :28:17.you what time the first bottle is opened, because I think that is

:28:17. > :28:21.disgraceful. The day starts to flow more smoothly, and it is everybody

:28:21. > :28:26.else. Telly and far too much to eat. That is all we have got time for.

:28:26. > :28:30.Thanks ever so much, all the best with your book, The Diamond Queen.

:28:30. > :28:33.Tomorrow, we will be getting hot in the kitchen with Gordon Ramsay, and