:00:15. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to The One Show, with Alex Jones.
:00:18. > :00:22.Tonight we're joined by a man who became famous on both sides
:00:23. > :00:27.of the Atlantic in the hit US spy drama, Homeland.
:00:28. > :00:35.You admitted to being complicit in some kind of fling with you? But
:00:36. > :00:40.illegal surveillance, the continuing harassment... That's a
:00:41. > :00:46.mischaracterisation. These gentlemen are here to do the same.
:00:47. > :01:01.When I saw you downstairs I was shocked that you didn't have a
:01:02. > :01:07.Birmingham accent. Everybody expects to hear you and you sound American,
:01:08. > :01:12.but that isn't the case. So if you're alright with this we are
:01:13. > :01:17.going to play this clip with you in the American accents but we want the
:01:18. > :01:21.original Harewood accent. This, ladies and gentlemen, a
:01:22. > :01:27.Birminghamland. Here we go. You've been complicit in some kind of fling
:01:28. > :01:32.with you, the illegal surveillance Carrie, the harassment... That's a
:01:33. > :01:36.mischaracterisation. Listen, love, get yourself up the Blues ground on
:01:37. > :01:40.Saturday. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. Brilliant! It
:01:41. > :01:45.gives it a whole different feel. Doesn't it. But you do credit
:01:46. > :01:49.Birmingham for your career, because you say because of the salt of the
:01:50. > :01:54.earth attitude there. They are salt of the earth people. You can't get
:01:55. > :02:00.too above yourself in Birmingham. We like people to be real and as they
:02:01. > :02:06.are, as it were. You do though have a star on the Broad Street walk of
:02:07. > :02:12.frame, do you not? I believe we have a picture of it. I was enormously
:02:13. > :02:16.proud, really proud. It is half pride and half trepidation, because
:02:17. > :02:22.I know exactly what people do on a Saturday night to those stars. What
:02:23. > :02:27.do you mean? I dread to think what goes on the Broad Street on Saturday
:02:28. > :02:31.night, but I'm proud that my star is there. We are going to talk all
:02:32. > :02:37.about The Night Manager shortly. Matt can hardly contain himself. I'm
:02:38. > :02:41.a big fan. He doesn't like much telly but he loves that.
:02:42. > :02:43.Today a British company unveiled to the press something its creators
:02:44. > :02:53.And, as Lucy found out, it is a flying machine that
:02:54. > :03:02.This is the Air Lander. This is Lucy's story behind the world's
:03:03. > :03:06.biggest aircraft. We've long been obsessed with conquering the skies.
:03:07. > :03:09.By the turn of the 20th century the dream of flying had helped create
:03:10. > :03:21.one of the most extraordinary structures the world had ever seen.
:03:22. > :03:26.The airship. At 92 metres long, it dwarfed a 747 jumbo, can carry 10
:03:27. > :03:31.tonnes offing o and will hold 48 passengers. And this monster is
:03:32. > :03:37.officially the biggest aircraft in the world. Chris Daniels is part of
:03:38. > :03:41.the team that's helped get this project off the ground. It was
:03:42. > :03:50.originally made for a US Army programme. The Government Government
:03:51. > :03:53.spent about ?300 million. The Obama administration withdrew from
:03:54. > :03:59.Afghanistan, took swingeing budget cuts so cancelled the programme. The
:04:00. > :04:03.company offered to buy it for 44 million in instalments, but the
:04:04. > :04:11.Americans could only sell it for a one-off payment and so accepted the
:04:12. > :04:15.best offer on the table. We ended up buying it back for 301,000 dollars
:04:16. > :04:19.and brought it back to the UK. What do you want it for? It does two
:04:20. > :04:23.things no other aircraft can do. One, it stays in the air a long
:04:24. > :04:28.time. That's weeks at a time. The second thing it does is lands and
:04:29. > :04:34.takes off from anywhere and burns very little fuel. So it is very
:04:35. > :04:37.green. We think we can make this electric powered and ultimately put
:04:38. > :04:41.solar panels on the top of the aircraft and have a completely zero
:04:42. > :04:47.carbon aircraft. Let's talk about the facilities. What will passengers
:04:48. > :04:52.experience? You've got pretty much floor to ceiling glass. You can see
:04:53. > :04:57.everything. There is virtually no noise. There is no vibration. You
:04:58. > :05:03.could safely hold a full gin and tonic in there without spilling a
:05:04. > :05:08.drop. Airships of old were used in warfare for transatlantic travel and
:05:09. > :05:12.Arctic exploration. It seems strange now, but these silent giants were
:05:13. > :05:19.once a pretty common sight in our skies. And they were a symbol of
:05:20. > :05:23.modernity. But by 1936, after a number of high-profile accidents, it
:05:24. > :05:29.was the beginning of the end for airships. David Burns is chief test
:05:30. > :05:35.pilot. Are they safe? Do you feel safe? Absolutely, it's very safe,
:05:36. > :05:39.yes. We have all the airships nowadays are helium gas as opposed
:05:40. > :05:46.to hydrogen, which they used in the past. It has four independent
:05:47. > :05:53.engines and if anything fails, I can cope with almost any failure. How
:05:54. > :05:57.does it work? The airship weighs 36 tonnes. Most of that is helium gas.
:05:58. > :06:03.This can do a job that nothing else can do right now. It can move into
:06:04. > :06:07.areas with no infrastructure, disaster relief. Aeroplanes have
:06:08. > :06:13.limited endurance. It can stay airborne for days if you want to.
:06:14. > :06:17.What appeals to you about flying airships? Looking out of the window,
:06:18. > :06:23.the view. For many years, it has been a pipe dream to get the air
:06:24. > :06:28.Lander back in the air, and now the engine has been attached the next
:06:29. > :06:32.stage is to do just that with a test flight. Airships have been built
:06:33. > :06:36.here at cardington for nearly a century now. Although it hasn't
:06:37. > :06:40.always been a happy history, our obsession with conquering the skies
:06:41. > :06:49.continues. Once again the sky is the limit. Thank you Liszt. With the
:06:50. > :06:53.final engine in place the first test flight outside the hangar should be
:06:54. > :06:57.taking place within the next couple of months. Let's talk about The
:06:58. > :07:01.Night Manager now. It is a big, big hit.ening people are feeling it. It
:07:02. > :07:05.is strange for me, because I've been in Los Angeles for the last 8
:07:06. > :07:08.months. I've watched it on my computer but I had no idea how
:07:09. > :07:12.people were taking to it here. It's been fantastic. Yes, the majority of
:07:13. > :07:16.people have seen it. A small section haven't yet, but you are going to
:07:17. > :07:23.tell them what they are missing out on and why they should be watching
:07:24. > :07:28.it. And why you and Olivia Coleman are trying their best to get Richard
:07:29. > :07:33.Roper. Richard Roper senior an arms dealer. These people exist and some
:07:34. > :07:37.of them are extremely wealthy. They make a lot of money selling horrible
:07:38. > :07:41.weapons to rather dubious regimes all around the world. They are given
:07:42. > :07:46.red carpet treatments around the world, sit at top tables around the
:07:47. > :07:53.world. They a seem to navigate their way through society making a living
:07:54. > :08:00.off these truly awful weapons. And you play an American character in
:08:01. > :08:03.the CIA. I've become a professional American. I play Joel Steadman and
:08:04. > :08:05.myself and Olivia Coleman, who I think we've had a bit of a
:08:06. > :08:16.history... Oh, do you?! Yes, think we've had a bit of a
:08:17. > :08:21.have. Hang on... I saw the way her hair went behind her ear. Olivia
:08:22. > :08:24.Coleman is pregnant, so is the baby yours? Not in real life!
:08:25. > :08:28.Coleman is pregnant, so is the baby LAUGHTER It is suggested we may have
:08:29. > :08:36.had previous dealings. I missed that bit. It must have been when I fell
:08:37. > :08:38.asleep temporarily. The finale is on Sunday and so far your characters
:08:39. > :08:43.aren't having much Sunday and so far your characters
:08:44. > :08:46.to the bottom of it. We are going to she an exclusive clip. We can't show
:08:47. > :08:51.you in it, because that would give the game away, but please introduce
:08:52. > :08:53.it. Tom Hiddleston's character has so far managed to avoid being outed
:08:54. > :09:00.as the spy he really is, but so far managed to avoid being outed
:09:01. > :09:03.back in the Nefertiti Hotel in care oi where all this began. And boy is
:09:04. > :09:13.this tense Ultimatum the prodigal wife brought to heel. Brought to
:09:14. > :09:18.heel by what Roper left me an offer, let bygones be bygones. Maybe he
:09:19. > :09:27.wanted someone to spy on his girlfriend. Careful, carree. The
:09:28. > :09:35.sun's hot out there. APPLAUSE. Oh!
:09:36. > :09:40.CHEERING. I completely underestimated how difficult it was
:09:41. > :09:45.going to be being an American in amongst so much British voices. That
:09:46. > :09:49.was probably one of the eest things I've done as an actor, trying to
:09:50. > :09:58.keep this character. It is based on a book. Are there any rumblings of
:09:59. > :10:02.any more? More?. There's a rumour of a Night Manager 2.
:10:03. > :10:06.CHEERING. It would be fantastic to be a part of. Hopefully things work
:10:07. > :10:13.out and I get to reprise the role. That's music to my ears. I'll be
:10:14. > :10:20.having withdrawal symptoms. It is a classic British spy drama. We wish
:10:21. > :10:26.we did more of them. Le Carre, he's second to none. Back to Homeland for
:10:27. > :10:30.a second. You say getting that role saved your career. Yes. You did a
:10:31. > :10:35.documentary all about failure and how it is good for you in some ways
:10:36. > :10:39.to experience that. You've met, well, Olivia Coleman is one of the
:10:40. > :10:50.people you feature in the couplery. Tell us a bit about it. I want to
:10:51. > :10:56.the do not a warts and all expose about the business, people think we
:10:57. > :11:00.are choosing which script we want to do next and turning scripts down,
:11:01. > :11:03.but for most actors it is a struggle. Even when you reach a
:11:04. > :11:08.certain level, there is no guarantee you will go on to have a successful
:11:09. > :11:12.career. I wanted to give people a feel of what it is like to audition,
:11:13. > :11:18.particularly in America. It can be brutal. You can walk into a room
:11:19. > :11:22.with 8 people, some looking at their phone or out of the window. You
:11:23. > :11:26.could be Ian MacShane or a beginner, but you one into the room and you
:11:27. > :11:30.are treated the same. You get 8 minutes or 3 minutes, and you are
:11:31. > :11:34.out. They don't say fantastic, or well done, just thank you, and you
:11:35. > :11:41.are gone. Sometimes you get the role and sometimes it is cheers, all the
:11:42. > :11:46.best. The documentary is for younger actors and for people who are
:11:47. > :11:50.perhaps experiencing tough times to say that that's just part of the
:11:51. > :11:54.process. That's just what we do. Don't take it personally. It is not
:11:55. > :12:02.something you should take to hear. It is just what we do as actors And
:12:03. > :12:06.that's on Sky Arts? You can download it and watch it again. You can catch
:12:07. > :12:15.the final episode of The Night Manager on Sunday 9 o'clock on BBC
:12:16. > :12:19.One. Shortly Frank Gardner will be helping us separate surveillance
:12:20. > :12:27.fact from fiction. But first a report from one of our own agent,
:12:28. > :12:30.who has gathered inedge on the song which saved the careers of two boys
:12:31. > :12:38.from your neck of the woods. Fantastic. 20 years ago a young band
:12:39. > :12:44.from Birmingham was riding the gravy train to the top of the charts when
:12:45. > :12:49.their second album scored four top 20 hits, including this one. But
:12:50. > :12:53.just a few years earlier the fallout following the release of their first
:12:54. > :12:58.album nearly derailed their whole career. It started here in Moseley
:12:59. > :13:06.Birmingham, this renowned restaurant was once a music venue called the
:13:07. > :13:11.Jug of Ale. This was our HQ. It is was where all of our friends were.
:13:12. > :13:15.All the bands came here at some point. We were quickly the best band
:13:16. > :13:20.in Birmingham. We were one of the only band in Birmingham in all
:13:21. > :13:25.honesty. Just us and UB 40. They were soon being feted on TV. This
:13:26. > :13:32.week we leave you with Ocean Colour Scene. They give the Late Show a
:13:33. > :13:37.sneak preview. They reported their first album and the record company
:13:38. > :13:44.brought in a top producer, Jimmy Miller. He was The Rolling Stones
:13:45. > :13:48.producer from '67 to '73. He lieblgd to drink. A bottle-and-a-half of
:13:49. > :13:52.whisky a day. Despite the band's admiration for Jimmy the record
:13:53. > :13:57.company quickly removed him from the project. Ocean colour scene felt
:13:58. > :14:01.directionless and it hased the end result. The album went nowhere. It
:14:02. > :14:06.doesn't sound like us. It was made by a record company and we were bit
:14:07. > :14:10.parts nit. I think everyone said let's leave this, this isn't
:14:11. > :14:15.working. Looking back I'm glad it didn't happen for us Thirsk time
:14:16. > :14:18.round. We weren't good enough. During this time, Steve started
:14:19. > :14:23.working with another musician who had become a good friend of the
:14:24. > :14:29.band, Paul Weller. With Steve away on tour, Simon was inspired to write
:14:30. > :14:33.a song about the Who's rock opera, Quadrophenia. What was it about
:14:34. > :14:39.Jimmy from Quadrophenia that you connected with? He was the classic
:14:40. > :14:46.everyman, the rebel in every teenage lad, which I used to be. But the
:14:47. > :14:51.song was also strongly influenced by another Jimmy. Jimmy Miller, their
:14:52. > :14:58.former producer who the band greatly missed. He was a fascinating bloke.
:14:59. > :15:04.In many ways an appalling person but one of the most entertaining people
:15:05. > :15:07.I've ever met. We were proud that he was our mate really. He would come
:15:08. > :15:14.everywhere with us. He was brilliant. He was brilliant.
:15:15. > :15:22.Despite being sacked by the record company, Jimmy Miller made a lasting
:15:23. > :15:29.impact on the Ocean Colour Scene sound. And it worked. In 1996, their
:15:30. > :15:35.second album, Moseley Shoals, was released to critical acclaim,
:15:36. > :15:43.swiftly followed by chart success. The Day We Caught The Train became
:15:44. > :15:49.their biggest hit. I remember the chorus, it basically goes... And I
:15:50. > :15:54.said, who do you think is going to sing one? When it came to that part
:15:55. > :16:01.at Knebworth, there was 125,000 people doing it! Did it feel
:16:02. > :16:06.different the second time around Emily yes, it did, it felt like it
:16:07. > :16:13.was our time. Within weeks, we were pop stars, which seemed most Julia,
:16:14. > :16:19.after seven years. This year, the band is celebrating the 20th
:16:20. > :16:26.anniversary of that hit album, Moseley Shoals, joined by the new
:16:27. > :16:31.bass player, Ray Mead. For a lot of people, it was one of the albums
:16:32. > :16:46.which mark that period. And I guess it makes us very proud, really.
:16:47. > :17:01.Good song, that! I swear, you can't stop... Another Birmingham band. Did
:17:02. > :17:05.you like them? Fantastic, fantastic. David's new series is a good
:17:06. > :17:10.old-fashioned spy thorough. And of course, surveillance is high in the
:17:11. > :17:16.news at the moment, and Frank Gardner joins us now. It looks like
:17:17. > :17:20.the Investigatory Powers Bill is going to get passed? It looks like
:17:21. > :17:25.very much it will happen. Some people have insultingly called it
:17:26. > :17:30.the Snooper's Charter. It modernises and updates the existing legislation
:17:31. > :17:33.and throws in something new, which is to force internet service
:17:34. > :17:38.providers to keep a record for up to 12 months of every single website
:17:39. > :17:43.everybody has accessed. That is very controversial. But it does have
:17:44. > :17:46.checks and balances. There will be a new judicial commissioner, as well
:17:47. > :17:50.as the Secretary of State, who has got to sign off. We will come back
:17:51. > :17:54.to that. But while we are talking about getting your hands on
:17:55. > :17:58.information, and with David here as well, we're going to look at some
:17:59. > :18:03.techniques used by spies in the movies and what have you. But we
:18:04. > :18:11.need your help, Frank, in separating fact from fiction. The first one is
:18:12. > :18:17.The Night Manager. We are seeing a champagne bottle being emptied, with
:18:18. > :18:22.Sim cards. This is the character of Tom Hiddleston who has taken these
:18:23. > :18:26.from a wastepaper bin, passed them to the security services, so that
:18:27. > :18:33.the spooks can actually access the phone records. This is comms data.
:18:34. > :18:39.This is pretty vanilla stuff, not actually very high-tech. Is it
:18:40. > :18:42.legal? Well, actually, he is not actually an operative at that stage,
:18:43. > :18:46.Tom Hiddleston, but this is potentially misuse of the act. So in
:18:47. > :18:51.order for them to do that, they would actually have to get some kind
:18:52. > :18:56.of a warrant to do that. So the idea that they can listen to our phone
:18:57. > :18:59.conversations, the idea of metadata, is it true, is it something we
:19:00. > :19:04.should be wary of, that the Government are sleeping? It depends
:19:05. > :19:09.if you listen to Edward Snowden, who would say, absolutely, yes, you
:19:10. > :19:13.should be wary. Others would say, no, it is the spooks keeping you
:19:14. > :19:17.safe. It is a question of who gets the information. If it is spooks and
:19:18. > :19:21.counter-terrorism, most people do not have a problem with that. Who
:19:22. > :19:27.wants to see another Paris event here? If it gets passed on to other
:19:28. > :19:33.people, it is a problem. Let's now have a look at another one, Enemy Of
:19:34. > :19:39.The State. What is going on, Frank? This is nearly 20 years old. Will
:19:40. > :19:48.Smith as been bunged by the National Security Agency. In the soul of the
:19:49. > :19:52.shoe, there is a little bug. This is old school. They do not really need
:19:53. > :19:58.to do that any more these days. What do you carry around every day, all
:19:59. > :20:02.day, which tracks everywhere you go? Your mobile phone. So they do not
:20:03. > :20:07.need to do that kind of intrusive, personal budding. They could do, but
:20:08. > :20:10.they do not need to. Is there any truth in the rumour that Google
:20:11. > :20:15.listens to your conversation? People say they could be talking about
:20:16. > :20:20.butternut squash and then three days later, butternut squash pops up, an
:20:21. > :20:26.advert for it, in their internet browser. Is that true? I don't know
:20:27. > :20:30.about Google, but if you are online, if you are using the internet, then
:20:31. > :20:35.almost certainly, yes, because they will look at your browsing tips. But
:20:36. > :20:39.I think you are talking about the spooks. Sure, they can listen to
:20:40. > :20:46.your phone as a potential listening device, and so is your laptop. Thank
:20:47. > :20:49.you so much, Frank. On the 23rd of June, we will all be asked what on
:20:50. > :20:52.the face of it sounds like a very simple question - "Should the United
:20:53. > :20:55.Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European
:20:56. > :21:01.Union?" But how many of us really know what effect leaving all
:21:02. > :21:08.remaining will have? We have got Chris Mason, AKA Mr Referendum, the
:21:09. > :21:12.referendum's biggest fan. He loves it like only a mother could! He is
:21:13. > :21:17.here to help us through the confusing detail! Before we speak to
:21:18. > :21:24.Chris, here are four people who have already made their minds up.
:21:25. > :21:32.I am Tom Jones, I am a Welsh sheep farmer, and I am voting out. I think
:21:33. > :21:36.we should leave the EU, from a farming industry point of view, I
:21:37. > :21:40.think it would help build a more resilient, more sustainable
:21:41. > :21:45.industry. I am not saying it would be easy. There are some tough times
:21:46. > :21:49.ahead, but as an industry, we should be standing on our own two feet.
:21:50. > :21:55.There might be some drawbacks to leaving the EU, but I don't think
:21:56. > :21:58.the culture of support payments is breeding a progressive,
:21:59. > :22:02.forward-thinking industry. The EU is a massive consumer of Welsh lamb,
:22:03. > :22:07.one of our biggest customers. An exit from the EU might put that into
:22:08. > :22:10.jeopardy, but we produce a world-class product and I am
:22:11. > :22:15.confident that there will still be consumers therefore it. What it will
:22:16. > :22:18.open up is new markets, be it Asia or the Americas, for our lamb or
:22:19. > :22:20.beef, reduced to world-class standards, in some of the best
:22:21. > :22:35.conditions you will ever find. Hi, I am Sharon, Gtech of Crystal
:22:36. > :22:43.Clear International. We make skin care products, and I am voting to
:22:44. > :22:47.stay in. I think it is absolute madness to even consider breaking
:22:48. > :22:50.away from the European Union. It is all about growing business in the
:22:51. > :22:54.UK, and we are putting a lot of money and support into growing
:22:55. > :22:58.business. Why would we even consider coming away from 28 countries, which
:22:59. > :23:04.does make us a lot stronger, and all the protection that it offers, even
:23:05. > :23:09.to the regulations? I know, with skincare, we are bound by European
:23:10. > :23:13.rules, which is good thing, because it protects the British consumer.
:23:14. > :23:18.Also, for me as a company, we do a lot of innovation, a lot of our
:23:19. > :23:21.products, we own all of our own patents. Suddenly to have to start
:23:22. > :23:27.looking at each member state and say, we are going to protect it in
:23:28. > :23:30.Germany, in Spain, would be an absolute nightmare. But more
:23:31. > :23:38.importantly, it would cost us a fortune.
:23:39. > :23:47.Hello, I am an entrepreneur and I run a PR company. And I say we need
:23:48. > :23:54.to be out of the EU. Too many reasons. From a personal post, one
:23:55. > :23:58.of them is trade and talent. Trade, I feel, why should we just be
:23:59. > :24:02.focused on Europe's stagnating economy when we have the rest of the
:24:03. > :24:08.world, and the Commonwealth which Britain already has relationships
:24:09. > :24:12.with? And with the economy moving eastwards, with India and China, I
:24:13. > :24:16.think it is silly for us to be insular and only look to Europe.
:24:17. > :24:20.From a talent perspective, we are, beating with the rest of the world.
:24:21. > :24:24.Why restrict our talent pools to Europe? I think there will be
:24:25. > :24:29.jitters, issues to be resolved. There will be a lack of confidence
:24:30. > :24:34.in Britain leaving the EU, which will result in an impact on the
:24:35. > :24:38.stock market and foreign investment. However, once everybody comes to
:24:39. > :24:40.terms with the exit, I think in the long term it will be better for the
:24:41. > :24:47.I think in the long term it will be better for the UK.
:24:48. > :24:57.Hello, my name is John. I am a taxi driver in Manchester and I am voting
:24:58. > :25:03.to stay in. Hello, where are you going? Being part of Europe is
:25:04. > :25:08.essential for our growth and development and future. I personally
:25:09. > :25:11.have benefited from being in Europe. I have been on courses which have
:25:12. > :25:15.been funded by the European Union. I have also noticed as I have driven
:25:16. > :25:20.around Manchester and various places in the north, funded by the European
:25:21. > :25:25.fund for this or that. So it really makes a difference. I feel that
:25:26. > :25:29.being part of this huge marketplace as well as the economy, and
:25:30. > :25:34.culturally it gives us benefits as well. Most people in Europe love the
:25:35. > :25:38.UK. Everybody I speak to who comes over to Manchester from anywhere in
:25:39. > :25:42.Europe seems over the moon that they are in the UK, it is a great place
:25:43. > :25:46.to visit. Surely being a member of this club must be worth it. I think
:25:47. > :25:50.it is a question of being in this European market, where we have got
:25:51. > :25:53.free travel and we can come and go as we please throughout Europe. I
:25:54. > :25:58.think it is a club which is definitely worth being in.
:25:59. > :26:05.Those four were clearly concerned about the effect the result will
:26:06. > :26:08.have on their business. We will be looking at other aspects of the
:26:09. > :26:15.debate in the coming weeks. We have got Chris Mason with us. Your job...
:26:16. > :26:20.Is a nightmare! It is a bit of a nightmare, because on behalf of the
:26:21. > :26:24.BBC, your job is to get people excited about the referendum, which
:26:25. > :26:28.let's face it is not easy. It is a tough gig, because the EU can be
:26:29. > :26:34.baffling and a bit boring, because it is so complicated. People think,
:26:35. > :26:39.I'm not sure I want to engage with that! It is a bit like when you take
:26:40. > :26:43.your car in for an MOT, and you turn up to collect it, and the mechanic
:26:44. > :26:47.has got the keys on the desk, and he says, you can have it back, but do
:26:48. > :26:52.you want this carburettor or that carburettor? I just wanted to go! It
:26:53. > :26:56.is a political institution, you expect it to get on with itself and
:26:57. > :27:01.either have a relationship with the UK or not. And suddenly we have got
:27:02. > :27:06.to come to a judgment in three months and two days. As we saw from
:27:07. > :27:10.the film, it is clear that there is no right answer for everybody. Is
:27:11. > :27:15.that what struck you? Yes, when you look at the film, you see the kind
:27:16. > :27:18.of conversations which are going on, when people ARE willing to engage!
:27:19. > :27:22.And white at the heart of it are facts which can be contested. You
:27:23. > :27:26.can hear two facts and you think, they contradict each other. One of
:27:27. > :27:31.them surely must be wrong. Take John in the film, who was saying, he
:27:32. > :27:36.would go along to a course paid for by the EU. So he will say, thumbs up
:27:37. > :27:41.to Brussels. Others would say, hang on, we pay more into that club then
:27:42. > :27:44.we get out because we are relatively rich, and it is kind of British
:27:45. > :27:49.money which has gone into a European bank account and been sent back. The
:27:50. > :27:53.lady who was saying, time to get out, we have got a great
:27:54. > :27:59.relationship with the Commonwealth, who needs EU? And yet others, people
:28:00. > :28:03.on the inside, would say, maybe you can have a bit of both. So those
:28:04. > :28:09.facts can contradict each other, all over this debate. I was thinking,
:28:10. > :28:14.what side are you on? Looking at your tie first of all, talk us
:28:15. > :28:18.through that. This is strict BBC impartiality. The EU flag normally
:28:19. > :28:25.has 12 stars on it, so this one has got five and two halves of the other
:28:26. > :28:30.thing is, BBC reporters always say, on the one hand this, on the other
:28:31. > :28:38.hand that. Never mind that. On the 1ft this... On the other foot that!
:28:39. > :28:40.He is good, isn't he?! You will have to come back, my friend.
:28:41. > :28:42.That's all we've got time for tonight.
:28:43. > :28:47.The final episode of The Night Manager is this Sunday,
:28:48. > :28:53.Join us tomorrow, when Daniel Mays will be here.