:00:19. > :00:26.Well, to the one sure with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones. We know parts
:00:27. > :00:32.of the weather have been atrocious the last
:00:33. > :00:39.24 hours so we hope you are seeing safe and dry out there. Never fear,
:00:40. > :00:44.we have got a winter warmer of a programme for you. Our guests
:00:45. > :00:52.wrapped up some very impressive numbers. This went in at number one.
:00:53. > :00:57.She has pleaded many times on her Radio 2 show. And has put all her
:00:58. > :01:05.favourite on a new album with three series. At Forfar at 11 and a half
:01:06. > :01:12.she is a giant of musical theatre, it is Elaine Paige -- at four foot
:01:13. > :01:16.11 and a half. To be honest we had numbers all the way up to 2.2
:01:17. > :01:21.million because that is how many listeners you now have. It is
:01:22. > :01:25.fantastic, who would have thought it? 12 years ago we started this
:01:26. > :01:30.programme thinking it would be some kind of little eclectic specialist
:01:31. > :01:37.programme for if you musical theatre lovers because at the time, 12 years
:01:38. > :01:42.ago, it was a bit snobby about musical theatre don't you think?
:01:43. > :01:45.People would never admit they liked musical theatre, even if secretly
:01:46. > :01:51.they really did, they would never come out and say so. Things have
:01:52. > :01:59.changed. I wonder what the key to that is, maybe your programme? I
:02:00. > :02:02.think maybe it did help. Much to my surprise, people latched onto it,
:02:03. > :02:07.and as you have said, the figures keep going up and up so it's
:02:08. > :02:11.fantastic. We have always been very open about our love of musical
:02:12. > :02:18.theatre. And our audiences also very keen. CHEERING
:02:19. > :02:21.Part of the 2.2 million in tonight. One way to maintain your
:02:22. > :02:25.independence whilst receiving the care you need as you grow older is
:02:26. > :02:30.to move into a retirement property. Yes but some of these schemes can
:02:31. > :02:35.have a financial sting in the tail which can hit families at the worst
:02:36. > :02:39.possible time. Here is Joe. With many baby boomers retiring with
:02:40. > :02:43.savings in the bank and final salary pensions it's no wonder property
:02:44. > :02:47.companies have designs on them. Purpose-built retirement villages
:02:48. > :02:53.are becoming more common with around 150,000 properties across the UK.
:02:54. > :02:56.But some claim these new types of retirement property deals can leave
:02:57. > :03:02.families with an unwanted financial legacy. Extra costs and restrictions
:03:03. > :03:07.in the lease can make retirement properties difficult to sell. And if
:03:08. > :03:13.you do, there may well be an additional hefty charge known as an
:03:14. > :03:18.event or exit fee. Sebastian runs a campaign group calling for the
:03:19. > :03:22.industry to be made more fair. It's good that all people live together
:03:23. > :03:25.communally, they can help each other but unfortunately they can be the
:03:26. > :03:29.worst property investment you make in your life. I am contacted by
:03:30. > :03:33.people who are deeply unhappy with the circumstances and want to move
:03:34. > :03:37.but cannot. Either because the property value has fallen so
:03:38. > :03:43.dramatically or because they are such high exit fees and a sale is
:03:44. > :03:46.simply an economic. Penelope and John from Beverley in Yorkshire have
:03:47. > :03:52.first-hand experience of the complications which can crop up in
:03:53. > :03:57.this new property sector. In 2012 Penelope inherited her mother 's
:03:58. > :04:06.?125,000 flat. She wanted to sell it but found the lease with the orders
:04:07. > :04:11.of the retirement village found it had lots of fees and restrictions.
:04:12. > :04:18.We could not do anything with it. We were upset to find restrictions had
:04:19. > :04:24.been imposed. It was just a ghastly business. It went on and on and on.
:04:25. > :04:27.Even though her mother had died Penelope was being billed for
:04:28. > :04:34.service fees totalling ?10,000 over 18 months. Including a care package.
:04:35. > :04:38.I was so angry at having to pay a well-being package when there was
:04:39. > :04:46.nobody there to receive any well-being. She was dead, how could
:04:47. > :04:50.there be well-being? With mounting fees and falling house prices
:04:51. > :04:54.Penelope finally sold the flat back to the Methodist Housing Association
:04:55. > :05:00.for ?40,000 less than her mother bought it for. I was upset because
:05:01. > :05:04.mother had died and to have all this going on as well, although she had
:05:05. > :05:10.been happy there, she would have been mortified if she had known this
:05:11. > :05:13.was the outcome. To add insult to injury Penelope was then hit with
:05:14. > :05:18.another cost in the form of an exit feed. The housing association would
:05:19. > :05:21.get 1% of the market value of the property for every year they had had
:05:22. > :05:29.the flat which totalled almost ?6,000. Methodist housing insist the
:05:30. > :05:32.exit fees and restrictions are fair and were made completely clear to
:05:33. > :05:40.Penelope's 90-year-old mother at the time of purchase. The CEO Adrian
:05:41. > :05:43.says the fees and well-being charges guarantee all residents have
:05:44. > :05:48.round-the-clock care they expect when buying the homes. It's a shared
:05:49. > :05:53.cross back across the community which is why every unit in the
:05:54. > :05:57.scheme needs to make its contribution all the time regardless
:05:58. > :06:01.of anyone living there or not. Methodist housing say they are
:06:02. > :06:07.committed to transparent fees but other areas of this growing industry
:06:08. > :06:10.have come under scrutiny recently. The Law Commission has found a lack
:06:11. > :06:16.of clarity over fees with some developers. We did a mystery
:06:17. > :06:19.shopping expedition and some of it has been absolutely dire, people
:06:20. > :06:24.have not been told about event fees and have gone into it by which time
:06:25. > :06:27.it is too late. We are going to introduced Acord backed up with
:06:28. > :06:31.legislation which requires developers to tell prospective
:06:32. > :06:34.purchasers at an early stage all about the event fees. With worked
:06:35. > :06:39.examples which tell them how much they will have to pay, how the event
:06:40. > :06:44.he is calculated and when it has to be paid. You are not going to
:06:45. > :06:50.suggest best practice, it will be law in place? This code will have
:06:51. > :06:55.teeth, basically if developers do not comply with the transparency
:06:56. > :06:59.obligations then the event he is not recoverable. The new rules should
:07:00. > :07:03.come into effect next February. Knowing you will have care on hand
:07:04. > :07:09.when you need it is an expensive business. So checking the financial
:07:10. > :07:15.small print is vital. That seems to be a clear message
:07:16. > :07:18.coming out. Absolutely, many people buy a retirement property when there
:07:19. > :07:22.is eight problem and that's the worst time because they rush into it
:07:23. > :07:27.and when you rush into these things you make mistakes and the mistakes
:07:28. > :07:31.come back to bite you. Part of those mistakes might be based on these
:07:32. > :07:35.retirement properties being leaseholds. Many people are not used
:07:36. > :07:38.leaseholds, they might have sold a freehold house to pay for a
:07:39. > :07:43.retirement property and leaseholds come with all sorts of restrictions.
:07:44. > :07:46.Nothing wrong with that, you just have to understand the restrictions.
:07:47. > :07:51.There will be service charges every six months, you cannot alter the
:07:52. > :07:54.property without permission, if you cannot sell it you might not be able
:07:55. > :07:59.to sublet the property post you're not there. All sorts of things going
:08:00. > :08:03.on and you have the exit fees we mentioned on film and it might be a
:08:04. > :08:07.1% fee on paper which doesn't sound too much but they have been
:08:08. > :08:10.criticised for being an fair because it's difficult for people to imagine
:08:11. > :08:14.the amount it will end up being because some of them are not just
:08:15. > :08:19.1%, they can be much more or 1% every year you have been there. That
:08:20. > :08:22.can be a considerable amount of money so you get to the point where
:08:23. > :08:25.you cannot move or you do not feel you can move, you feel tramped. The
:08:26. > :08:30.other thing to say is you are vulnerable, you are a tenant when
:08:31. > :08:33.you have a leasehold property, if you do not pay the charges you could
:08:34. > :08:37.lose it. There are a lot of things to be wary of and you should not
:08:38. > :08:42.rush into them, you have to take time to read the small print. The
:08:43. > :08:47.whole point of going is for the benefits, the social side, community
:08:48. > :08:53.and security that comes with it. Is renting an option, how does it weigh
:08:54. > :08:59.up? It's about taking time to read the details, renting can be a great
:09:00. > :09:04.solution. Instead of quickly going in and risking the money you have
:09:05. > :09:09.got, why not rent, try an area out and try that type of living? If you
:09:10. > :09:13.don't like it you can move. But if you have bought somewhere and risked
:09:14. > :09:19.the lump sum, you are paying everything else. Thank you,
:09:20. > :09:24.brilliant. You have experience of this, Elaine, with relatives who
:09:25. > :09:29.have chosen to go into retirement village? A friend of my mothers went
:09:30. > :09:34.to a retirement, like a gated community in Surrey and had a
:09:35. > :09:38.marvellous time! There was help at hand if anything went wrong within
:09:39. > :09:45.her one-bedroom flat, she had a little garden with great views,
:09:46. > :09:50.wonderful social life. There was a restaurant where they could have
:09:51. > :09:58.meals prepared every day. Sign me up, that sounds great! That's what I
:09:59. > :10:04.thought, better put my name down now! If you would like to know more
:10:05. > :10:07.get in touch, we will put the address on screen. What do you think
:10:08. > :10:14.is quickest, a ferret up a trouser leg or a rat up a drainpipe? Is it a
:10:15. > :10:18.medal or a plastic drainpipe, corduroy trousers?
:10:19. > :10:28.Faster than the speed of light is more than 186,000 miles per second.
:10:29. > :10:33.Quick as a flash. Lightning travels in excess of 61,000 miles per
:10:34. > :10:37.second. But what about some of our other quick phrases. Many cliches
:10:38. > :10:42.evoke a sense of speed so I have set myself a challenge, to use science
:10:43. > :10:48.to measure which speedy sayings are Usain Bolt. Sports scientist doctor
:10:49. > :10:53.Gavin from the University of Southwark studies speed. How do you
:10:54. > :10:59.measure these tiny fractions of time? Special cameras including
:11:00. > :11:04.infrared. We can record footage at 100 thousand times faster than a
:11:05. > :11:08.typical TV camera. First things first, the blink of an eye which
:11:09. > :11:14.should be fast and easy. It feels a bit like clockwork Orange, it's not
:11:15. > :11:29.going to hurt is it? It will be over in the blink of an eye! Ready? Like.
:11:30. > :11:36.Blink. And blink. What is the result Gavin? It took 0.174 seconds and the
:11:37. > :11:44.speed is 8.05 centimetres per second. That is not very fast, I
:11:45. > :11:48.never realised my eyelids were so sluggish, let's try to beat it with
:11:49. > :11:55.another cliche, but this one I will need the help of the seal. Who is a
:11:56. > :11:59.rat. Time to send a rat up a drainpipe. To give her some purchase
:12:00. > :12:07.we have angled the pipe by 45 degrees. Look at her go. Like a rat
:12:08. > :12:14.up a drainpipe. She got distracted, come on! Come on! It's not going
:12:15. > :12:19.well is it Gavin? It has been a lovely day out for her. It has.
:12:20. > :12:24.Average bead of seven centimetres per second. For the next experiment
:12:25. > :12:29.we need the help of the bravest member of our team, the researcher
:12:30. > :12:37.who is wearing a pair of thick cotton jeans and a pair of oversized
:12:38. > :12:41.over trousers to allow some room. I think you will need this as well.
:12:42. > :12:50.It's a terrible job but in the interest of science Ed has got to do
:12:51. > :12:54.it. The ferret is very happy to do this and I would like to assure you
:12:55. > :12:59.that no ferrets will be harmed in this experiment. But I am not sure
:13:00. > :13:07.about Ed. Can you please insert the ferret into the trouser leg. It's
:13:08. > :13:10.in. LAUGHTER It's moving up quite fast, it's in
:13:11. > :13:17.the middle, it's going down the other one. Second attempt. Going up,
:13:18. > :13:26.lightning fast. Lightning fast. There she is. 8.16 centimetres per
:13:27. > :13:30.second. She went up that trouser leg at the drop of a hat. I don't need a
:13:31. > :13:39.researcher for this experiment, I can do it all on my own. Told you.
:13:40. > :13:44.That must be the fastest yet? It tells us the hat was travelling at
:13:45. > :13:51.360 centimetres per second. That is so fast! We are getting faster but
:13:52. > :13:55.for one last supersonic test we are going to the dogs. The final
:13:56. > :13:59.experiment has brought us to the dog track to see if we can beat the
:14:00. > :14:03.speed of gravity, like greyhounds out of the traps. We are measuring
:14:04. > :14:09.the greyhounds across a distance of three metres starting from the
:14:10. > :14:20.moment they come out of the traps. That was quick! How fast is a
:14:21. > :14:23.greyhound out of the traps? 1489 centimetres per second. It seems we
:14:24. > :14:28.have a definitive winner in the league table of fast phrases. The
:14:29. > :14:34.fastest cliche is like a greyhound out of the traps. At the flick of us
:14:35. > :14:37.which speedy cliches have spread to the English language like wildfire
:14:38. > :14:42.and they are here to stay, they are not just a flash in the pan. Hang on
:14:43. > :14:47.a minute that three more experiments I could do! Does anyone have a
:14:48. > :14:53.frying pan? Brilliant! Where is Gavin? Gavin? Gavin?
:14:54. > :15:08.Is who? It's up a drainpipe, not at a 45 degrees angle. The man was
:15:09. > :15:20.brave to have the ferret up his trousers. Indeed. Last week, Sting
:15:21. > :15:27.came in. There were only ten tracks on his new album. I thought it was a
:15:28. > :15:33.bit tight. Your new album, three CDs, 58 tracks. We love it.
:15:34. > :15:43.Absolutely. Value for money from May. We are going to trigger some
:15:44. > :15:48.Memories. We will put the music on. It is an interesting story how it
:15:49. > :15:56.happened for you. I was coming home from a dinner party and I heard this
:15:57. > :16:02.tune on the radio. The DJ said, I will play the entire theme of Andrew
:16:03. > :16:09.Lloyd Webber's theme from his new musical. There was no lyric to it. I
:16:10. > :16:16.loved the tune. I dashed into the house. I thought I'd take it. The
:16:17. > :16:25.first time you heard it? It was the first time. I was nothing to do with
:16:26. > :16:30.Cats at the time. Then this is the drag old, mangy cat appeared. I'd
:16:31. > :16:38.lived in the house for two years and I'd never seen it before. I try to
:16:39. > :16:43.get it across my legs because if a black cat crosses your path it's
:16:44. > :16:52.good luck. I taped the tune and left the door open. The cat had followed
:16:53. > :16:56.me in. I gave it a saucer of milk. I taped the song and said, tomorrow
:16:57. > :17:01.I'm going to ring Andrew Lloyd Webber and say I have two record
:17:02. > :17:06.this song because it did something to me. It touched me emotionally. I
:17:07. > :17:11.didn't have to do anything because the next morning, the telephone rang
:17:12. > :17:19.and it was Andrew offering me the part in the Cats. Isn't that weird?
:17:20. > :17:25.And that old cat stayed with me for the rest of my life. It sounds like
:17:26. > :17:35.I made this up. Honestly, it's a true story and I think it's a bit
:17:36. > :17:45.spooky. What did you call the cat? What do you think? Rob Grisabella.
:17:46. > :17:49.Some people are quite new to musical is and you have some contemporary
:17:50. > :17:58.ones on there. Once that have come from films. It is quite a mix of
:17:59. > :18:04.material. From old standards to new material. There is a wealth of
:18:05. > :18:10.material. We could have had six albums. Save some for next
:18:11. > :18:13.Christmas. It came out of the radio show because I am inundated every
:18:14. > :18:19.week with people requesting their favourite songs. Being on tour
:18:20. > :18:24.myself, I have some favourites and I thought I would mix and match. I
:18:25. > :18:31.made my list and everybody else's list and we have come piled them and
:18:32. > :18:36.managed to whittle it down. It is a lot. Three CDs but it is like having
:18:37. > :18:42.my radio show in your own home whenever you like. There's no
:18:43. > :18:49.escape. You are still on stage and the singing. Of the more modern
:18:50. > :18:58.musicals, which one do you enjoy yourself? I don't perform to many
:18:59. > :19:10.modern musicals in my own concert. I saw Wicked! And I loved it. I would
:19:11. > :19:16.love to play in that. Last week, I saw Half A Sixpence it is my hot
:19:17. > :19:22.tip. Go and watch it. Charlie Kemp is a star. Go and see him. Would you
:19:23. > :19:30.ever go back onto the stage in the West End? Never say never but, eight
:19:31. > :19:35.shows a week? You need to be young like these lovely guys. We would
:19:36. > :19:44.love to see a lane back in the West End. We will be talking more about
:19:45. > :19:52.her amazing career. Her album Elaine Paige Presents The Musicals is out
:19:53. > :19:58.next week. Rosie King has been giving as an insight into life with
:19:59. > :20:09.Asperger's syndrome. This week she went to university. Up stepped a
:20:10. > :20:18.Hollywood A-lister with a secret to keep. Tom, we know that you love
:20:19. > :20:25.typewriters. You can change the world with them. I'm going to send
:20:26. > :20:33.one to Rosie. He sent one. It is so sweet, so strange how nice people
:20:34. > :20:44.can be. " I think it is a month ago that we were on the one show. "
:20:45. > :20:51."Never Mind spell-checking, just go with the groove and get into the
:20:52. > :20:57.creative process." Is there anything you want to ask this lot? You are
:20:58. > :21:04.doing it. You are right. You are practising. Write it, rewrite it.
:21:05. > :21:10.They were all so nice. They could tell I was really nervous. They were
:21:11. > :21:15.absolutely lovely to me. The first sentence is just the beginning.
:21:16. > :21:21.That's all it is. The mechanics take awhile to get used to the result is
:21:22. > :21:25.right there on paper. With some adjusting the spacing, you can make
:21:26. > :21:31.room to edit all you want with a pencil. He added that. "I Hope that
:21:32. > :21:41.it your days at University are happy ones and that we meet again. It
:21:42. > :21:48.doesn't have to be on TV. Yours, Tom Hanks." It's beautiful. I love the
:21:49. > :21:53.colour. I love the way it types. I want to say thank you for him being
:21:54. > :21:57.so kind to me. I hope my dream comes true and I become a writer,
:21:58. > :22:06.hopefully, I will write some books on this. That is amazing. Imagine
:22:07. > :22:10.getting a typewriter from Tom Hanks. It's just extraordinary. We are
:22:11. > :22:15.going to send that film to Tom Hanks and Benny can see how much he
:22:16. > :22:24.appreciated. Elaine, as a decorated stage actor, we know you are
:22:25. > :22:29.familiar with the term tableau. It is when actors freeze in character
:22:30. > :22:33.onstage. It reminded as of the current Internet sensation, the
:22:34. > :22:40.mannequin challenge. People are doing it in the pubs, at schools,
:22:41. > :22:44.weddings. It gave as an idea. We have been doing some mannequin
:22:45. > :22:53.challenges in the office today. What have you been doing? We have been
:22:54. > :22:58.representing moments of your career. Basically, they have been acting
:22:59. > :23:03.them out. In tableau, the mannequin challenge. So you have to tell us
:23:04. > :23:16.what is happening at each stage. The music is a clue to the musical. "
:23:17. > :23:27.The age of Aquarius." I know what that is. When I was in Hair. I was
:23:28. > :23:34.one of the last of the cast to get naked. I was a bit of a wimp. My
:23:35. > :23:38.friend Gary Hamilton, told and handsome, he said he'd stand next to
:23:39. > :23:42.me and hold my hand for moral support. When the terrible moment
:23:43. > :23:49.came, it was such a shock to stand in front of the audience naked.
:23:50. > :23:59.Fully naked. Nothing. I put my hand out, like that, to hold hand.
:24:00. > :24:11.LAUGHTER There we are. Just one more. Here we
:24:12. > :24:23.go. So, there you are. You are in a stairwell. People can't see you very
:24:24. > :24:31.well. So it's Sunset Boulevard. I got to Broadway with Sunset
:24:32. > :24:36.Boulevard. It was the last day before my opening and I was coming
:24:37. > :24:42.down the staircase where Norma Desmond makes a grand entrance. And
:24:43. > :24:47.the stairs and the banister were such that you couldn't see me. The
:24:48. > :24:52.stairs were, you know, everybody else who played the role prior to me
:24:53. > :25:00.was average height. I'm only four foot 11 and a half. As I was coming
:25:01. > :25:05.down the stairs, they couldn't see me. They had to build the stairs up.
:25:06. > :25:10.The last step, they didn't tell me, the last one was really deep because
:25:11. > :25:14.they couldn't get the extra step in. And that's all we've got time for in
:25:15. > :25:20.the mannequin challenge game. Moving on slightly. This morning was the
:25:21. > :25:24.first day we had a serious conversation about Christmas
:25:25. > :25:30.presents. Who wants what. I haven't put my order in yet. It seems as
:25:31. > :25:39.though wildlife cameraman Richard Taylor Jones is basing his shopping
:25:40. > :25:47.on the 12 days of Christmas. The turtledove used to be one of the
:25:48. > :25:52.most evocative sounds of the British summer but today your chance of
:25:53. > :26:02.seeing one is remote. Numbers have decreased by 93% over 20 years. But
:26:03. > :26:06.all is not yet lost. John is an RSPB scientist working with a
:26:07. > :26:14.conservation partnership to save this bird. Why is this happening?
:26:15. > :26:18.There is strong evidence that they have been negatively affected by
:26:19. > :26:24.agricultural intensification over the last few decades. The abundance
:26:25. > :26:29.of their favourite food plants has. Diminished They face of threats as
:26:30. > :26:34.they migrate. As they passed through France and Spain they are legally
:26:35. > :26:41.hunted. Their wintering ground in West Africa is also under pressure.
:26:42. > :26:46.Here the problems are habitat loss and drought. With threats wherever
:26:47. > :26:50.they go, it's crucial for conservationists to pinpoint what
:26:51. > :26:56.regions are important for them. To that end, a satellite tag was put on
:26:57. > :27:01.a turtledove christened Titan and tracked the exact route he took on
:27:02. > :27:09.his three-month journey from Suffolk to Mali and back. The information is
:27:10. > :27:15.absolutely fascinating. If you look at this map, you can see the 11,000
:27:16. > :27:22.kilometre round trip he took. Along with, crucially, where he stopped
:27:23. > :27:26.off along the way. This will help focus conservation efforts but more
:27:27. > :27:30.information is needed so this year they have typed ten more birds and
:27:31. > :27:36.we want to track them down before they set off for their migration.
:27:37. > :27:41.The data, is it telling you that there particular hotspots to look
:27:42. > :27:47.for? There are congregations not far from where we are. The signals lead
:27:48. > :27:53.us to a farm in the south-east which has received grants to improve the
:27:54. > :28:02.habitat for this bird. Careful management has allowed annual weeds
:28:03. > :28:06.to grow, replenishing a natural food source to increase. Other farmers
:28:07. > :28:14.have put out supplementary food. Here at Glebe farm they have
:28:15. > :28:21.increased their number of birds using a special seed mix. Our best
:28:22. > :28:28.bet is to stake out the feeding spot. Pink chested bullfinches, a
:28:29. > :28:38.yellowhammer and, finally, a turtledove. That is a very beautiful
:28:39. > :28:45.bird. Absolutely stunning. That lovely pattern on its wings. That
:28:46. > :28:51.tortoiseshell pattern. It is not why they are called turtledoves. No. The
:28:52. > :28:59.purring sound is where they get their name. Living proof that this
:29:00. > :29:04.operation is working. Tagging, monitoring the efforts of the
:29:05. > :29:10.farmers, all contributing to help save this beautiful bird from the
:29:11. > :29:15.edge of extinction here in the UK. So you will never sing that Carol in
:29:16. > :29:19.the same way again. Thank you to our guest tonight, Elaine Paige.
:29:20. > :29:23.Elaine Paige Presents the Musicals