:00:20. > :00:27.Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker and Alex Jones. Now,
:00:27. > :00:31.there is no putting the showbiz gloss on tonight's guest. She has
:00:31. > :00:37.battled the bottle and battled the blokes, it's Denise Welch! APPLAUSE.
:00:37. > :00:41.Good to see you. Now, hang about, we mentioned at the end of last
:00:41. > :00:48.night's show, you were to joined by your husband, Tim Healy. You have
:00:48. > :00:52.not had a row? No, for once. He is poorly? He is poorly. It is
:00:52. > :00:57.not man flu, otherwise I would have kicked him up the bottom, but he
:00:57. > :01:01.has a poorly leg. He has to go to hospital. He was struggling this
:01:01. > :01:05.morning. So, obviously, he sends his apologies. The idea was to be
:01:05. > :01:09.here together. We do know he is watching. Earlier
:01:09. > :01:14.we nipped to your house in Cheshire, he recorded this special message
:01:14. > :01:19.for you. Did he, really? Here we go.
:01:19. > :01:27.Matt, Alex. I'm sorry I cannot be with you tonight. I have a gamy leg,
:01:27. > :01:36.but the Mrs Is on, the mouth of the Tyne. I would not get a word in
:01:36. > :01:40.edgeways with her! He is so polite. Gob of the Tyne, what a cheek! An
:01:40. > :01:44.affectionate term. We wish him all the best. What we love about you
:01:44. > :01:50.two is that off screen you are just a normal couple, but have a look at
:01:50. > :01:56.this... There you are on holiday. We would like to clarify that this
:01:56. > :02:06.is you two in Benidorm? It is us in Benidorm, but you may or may not
:02:06. > :02:08.
:02:08. > :02:16.know that my dad used to be a drag act called Rakel wechwech. So I
:02:16. > :02:25.have been living in drag hell. My son did not flinch when he saw
:02:25. > :02:29.his dad in drag, as he is so used to it! We interested in the toe
:02:29. > :02:39.nails, they were matching! Yes, we like that.
:02:39. > :02:45.Do you fancy him he is dressed like that Well, I do ask him to bring
:02:45. > :02:48.the outfits home! No! Now, thanks to the internet, there are many
:02:48. > :02:53.more jobs to do from the home with the use of nothing more than a
:02:53. > :02:59.mouse, not that sort, and a key board, but as Dom discovered not
:02:59. > :03:03.all are what they seem, even if advertised through the jobcentre.
:03:03. > :03:08.We are living in difficult times. Jobs are becoming very hard to
:03:08. > :03:14.combi. But these days, the unemployed are
:03:15. > :03:19.facing a new, sinister menace. Fake jobs, advertised by crooks that
:03:19. > :03:25.could implicate unsuss pecting employees in a criminal scam.
:03:25. > :03:28.Single mum, Kara knows how easy it is to get sucked in. She was
:03:28. > :03:32.delighted for an add, a job that seemed perfect.
:03:32. > :03:36.The money was really tight. So I have been looking for a job. This
:03:36. > :03:40.job really appealed to me. It was working from home. The hours were
:03:40. > :03:46.to suit. So I could do it whenever I had free time.
:03:46. > :03:50.The job involved selling products through eBay, the auction website
:03:50. > :03:54.that allows people to buy and sell. She was to be the middle man
:03:54. > :03:57.selling goods on behalf of the company.
:03:57. > :04:02.I searched the company's name. There was even financial
:04:02. > :04:09.information that I looked up. Everything seemed legitimate to me.
:04:09. > :04:14.But, they were just fake sites. The scamers have a cover story. She
:04:14. > :04:18.applied via an e-mail and a woman calling herself Leah offered her
:04:18. > :04:21.the job. I was over the moon. So excited.
:04:21. > :04:28.I said I could start as soon as possible.
:04:28. > :04:33.The scammers sent Kara a list of what they wanted her to sell on
:04:33. > :04:38.eBay. She was asked to send the money to the employers.
:04:39. > :04:44.The company, once the orders came in, the problems started to appear.
:04:44. > :04:50.After a coup of days I started to get e-mails from the buyers asking
:04:50. > :04:59.where the products were. So I called Leah. It was always, "I'll
:04:59. > :05:05.get back to you" Or, "I'm too busy" It was when she stopped answering
:05:05. > :05:10.the phone or the e-mails I thought that this was not good.
:05:10. > :05:15.Kara had become a part of the scam. She deducted the money from the
:05:15. > :05:19.gods she sold, but the goods were never sent.
:05:19. > :05:26.-- goods. The unhappy customers complained to
:05:26. > :05:31.eBay, they refunded the money. Even though Kara kept her �40 commission,
:05:31. > :05:36.eBay started to chase her for the �400 they had lost.
:05:36. > :05:40.It is a worry. I hate checking my e-mails. I am checking my phone. I
:05:40. > :05:44.have eBay calling me, Debt Collection. There was nothing that
:05:44. > :05:49.I could do about it. We have spoken to seven others who
:05:49. > :05:53.we believe have been tricked by the scamers who go by a number of
:05:53. > :05:56.different names. Our viewers are being chased for more than �7,000,
:05:56. > :06:01.even though the crooks have most of the money.
:06:01. > :06:05.So, where were the crooks advertising the dodgy jobs? Well,
:06:05. > :06:12.shockingly on the website of the Government-run Jobcentre Plus.
:06:12. > :06:17.Surely the last place you would expect to find unscrupulous
:06:17. > :06:22.employers? When our viewers alerted them to the scamers advert it was
:06:22. > :06:27.taken down, but a couple of days later it was up again.
:06:27. > :06:33.So, Jobcentre Plus was leading jobseeker's to fraud.
:06:33. > :06:37.Jobcentre Plus said that as soon as they become aware of a bogus add it
:06:37. > :06:41.is removed and they conduct a investigation. They say that they
:06:41. > :06:47.will check all vacancies that mention eBay before they go live.
:06:47. > :06:52.I know it seems like a stupid thing for some people, a tiny amount of
:06:52. > :06:57.money to some, but to me that, that's a lot of money.
:06:57. > :07:02.It is a nasty crime, isn't it? Horrible. I would not wish this on
:07:02. > :07:06.anyone. It is horrible. What have you learned from this?
:07:06. > :07:15.Don't apply for jobs that seem far too good to be true.
:07:15. > :07:19.Dom, they -- this debacle hit Kara hard. What is the latest? Well, the
:07:19. > :07:23.Metropolitan Police are investigating an allegations of
:07:23. > :07:27.fraud. EBay said that as soon as they were made aware of the scam,
:07:27. > :07:32.they contacted the police and the Jobcentre Plus and asked them to
:07:32. > :07:36.vet the ads. EBay and PayPal will not chase her or the others now for
:07:36. > :07:40.money. That is a good thing. That is big news.
:07:40. > :07:45.When the cameras went off, she cried her eyes out there, she
:07:45. > :07:49.cannot afford this money. She was worried. She is an honest, decent
:07:49. > :07:53.person, panicking. She doesn't have to pay anything?
:07:53. > :07:57.Not a penny. Good news, there, but what is your
:07:57. > :08:01.advice on spotting the fake adverts? Is it common sense?
:08:01. > :08:06.hit the nail on the head. If you smell a rat, there is a good chance
:08:06. > :08:12.you are dealing with one. You have to look out for, they may sound
:08:12. > :08:19.obvious, but make sure that someone has a landline phone number. If you
:08:19. > :08:24.apply for a landline with BT, they vet you thoroughly. Mobiles, they
:08:24. > :08:30.give them to anyone. If they are premium rate numbers be
:08:30. > :08:35.cautious. Try to get a face-to-face interview. If they are offering you
:08:35. > :08:40.a job, try to go to a place where they are working. Also some jobs
:08:40. > :08:43.should ship you the goods and you ship them out, but use your
:08:43. > :08:48.intuition and common sense. It is difficult. You feel
:08:48. > :08:52.vulnerable when you are unemployed, you are looking for work?
:08:52. > :08:57.course,s an actress I've been unemployed several times. I have
:08:57. > :09:02.had to do all sorts of dodgy. Some of them were proper dodgy. Proper!
:09:02. > :09:06.What is the worst? I worked in a holiday camp that is no longer
:09:06. > :09:11.around. I know that most of them are fantastic, but I worked in this
:09:11. > :09:16.holiday camp, I cannot tell you what went on in the kitchens. On a
:09:16. > :09:22.Wednesday... On a Wednesday we used to make rice pudding. I used to
:09:22. > :09:27.watch what went on, I had to serve it to the tune of Girls, Girls,
:09:27. > :09:35.Girls, people had actually weed in the rice pudding.
:09:35. > :09:39.Let's move on! Now, yesterday we were moved by Pauline Prescott's
:09:39. > :09:44.story by a couple that had turned to a surrogate mum to help them
:09:44. > :09:51.have a baby. Tonight she returns to take up the story as they prepare
:09:51. > :09:57.for the birth. In 2009 Tania and Douglas lost their daughter, Lola
:09:57. > :10:04.Rose during childbirth. They wanted another baby, partly in a bid to
:10:04. > :10:09.heal their family's wounds. So with Tania unable to carry a baby, they
:10:09. > :10:13.had IVF treatment and turned to a surrogate mother to have their
:10:13. > :10:18.resulting child. Their story fascinates me as I handed over a
:10:18. > :10:23.baby that I carried. My first son was adopted. Here I am in Glasgow,
:10:23. > :10:31.Cory was born five weeks ago, I'm coming to see how they are, and to
:10:31. > :10:36.bring a gift for the baby. Isn't he gorgeous?! Can I hold him?
:10:36. > :10:40.Of course. Oh, my goodness me. You were had
:10:40. > :10:45.hands-on dad? Yes. I'm not doing the night-time feeds, to be fair.
:10:45. > :10:50.Tania is doing them. As what planned, when Nikki gave
:10:50. > :10:56.birth to Cory, the biological parents, Tania and Douglas were in
:10:56. > :11:03.the delivery suite. As Cory was born, I stepped in
:11:03. > :11:07.behind and cut his chord. He was wrapped in a towell and we were
:11:07. > :11:13.sobbing, sobbing that we had a living, screaming baby this time.
:11:13. > :11:18.It was unbelievable watching this little person being born.
:11:18. > :11:23.But of course, this was an unusual situation. It was Nikki who carried
:11:23. > :11:29.the baby. To be honest, when he came out, I
:11:29. > :11:33.thought that is not my baby, he looks like Nikki, it is Nikki's
:11:33. > :11:38.baby, probably for the first 24 hours I did not believe he was here
:11:38. > :11:42.and my baby. Tania's nerves were quelled by
:11:42. > :11:45.Cory's resemblence to her other children, including her lost
:11:45. > :11:52.daughter, Lola. It is hard for Tania, she didn't
:11:52. > :11:57.carry him. You wanted to be reassured? I did.
:11:57. > :12:02.Cory has settled in with his brothers, Ian and Josh. The family
:12:02. > :12:06.has stayed in touch with Nikki. They are all firm friends and Nikki
:12:06. > :12:10.has no regrets about the surrogacy. What was it like handing the baby
:12:10. > :12:14.over? There are not really the words to describe how I feel. They
:12:14. > :12:19.don't make words like that. It is special, amazing.
:12:19. > :12:27.You seem measured, is that your defence mechanism? I knew I was
:12:27. > :12:31.doing what I was supposed to do. It was like I ticked off something on
:12:32. > :12:38.my great cosmic to do list. I just carried him for nine months. They
:12:38. > :12:43.are his mum and dad. Cory is happy at home with his
:12:43. > :12:52.genetic parents, but officially Tania is not his mother.
:12:52. > :12:57.We have to see a court report, the reason to visit Nikki to ensure
:12:57. > :13:03.that she is not pressurised into this and to check we have not paid
:13:03. > :13:06.her an enormous amount of money. That is illegal. You only pay the
:13:06. > :13:10.surrogate expenses. What happens when the court is
:13:10. > :13:16.happy? A new birth certificate is issued with Tania's name as the
:13:16. > :13:22.mother and mine as the father. Memories of Lola Rose linger on in
:13:22. > :13:25.the house. The last time I came to Glasgow Lola's nursery had remained
:13:25. > :13:29.untouched since her death. Now it is Cory's room.
:13:29. > :13:32.It is beautiful. It really is. It has been
:13:32. > :13:38.beautiful? Yes. The little rose on the wall in the
:13:38. > :13:42.memory of Lola? Yes, so there is always a presence of her in here.
:13:42. > :13:49.I wonder what it would have been like to have her home, but we have
:13:49. > :13:55.you. Yes! He is ever so strong isn't he? He is very strong.
:13:55. > :14:01.Well, little man. What do you think about this, then? I feel that the
:14:01. > :14:07.family is complete now we have brought him home! Surrogacy is not
:14:07. > :14:10.for everyone, but for Douglas and Tania, young Cory has been the per
:14:10. > :14:14.effect boost after their family's loss.
:14:14. > :14:18.And Tania and Douglas are here now. He is six weeks old. Welcome to the
:14:18. > :14:23.studio. He is gorgeous. Have you had much reaction since we showed
:14:23. > :14:27.the first half of the story? have had texts, e-mails, phone
:14:27. > :14:33.calls. It has been positive.. guessing that life is very
:14:33. > :14:37.different with three? It is. It is fabulous, though, fabulous. We are
:14:37. > :14:40.just loving having the baby and in the house again.
:14:40. > :14:44.Tania, you were open in the film about talking about your concerns
:14:44. > :14:48.about not bonding, this is something that lots of women, if
:14:48. > :14:52.they have those fears they don't openly talk about? I suppose in a
:14:52. > :14:56.way, I look back now and I think that is funny to think for the
:14:56. > :15:02.first probably, the first day or two, I didn't believe he was our
:15:02. > :15:06.baby. I think I had such strong feelings
:15:06. > :15:14.of detachment during the pregnancy because I was frightened of getting
:15:14. > :15:20.emotionally attached to him. So, Nikki was the surrogate? Yes.
:15:20. > :15:24.Nuky is involved in Cory's life -- Nikki is involved in Cory's life?
:15:24. > :15:28.Will that change, will she be there always or will the situation alter?
:15:28. > :15:34.I think that we will always have a relationship with her. I don't see
:15:34. > :15:37.how we couldn't. She has given us this miracle baby. Done a wonderful
:15:37. > :15:40.thing. It is a very self-less thing to do.
:15:40. > :15:44.Completely. Do you worry that her feelings may
:15:44. > :15:50.change? No, I don't think so. Not at all. She has been positive
:15:50. > :15:57.about the fact that Cory is not her baby. Ever.
:15:57. > :16:00.She has four girls, what would she want? Denise, would you consider
:16:00. > :16:04.using a surrogate had you had trouble having children? I would
:16:04. > :16:10.have, certainly. I would not be self-less enough to be a surrogate.
:16:10. > :16:14.I think it is a wonderful thing to do, but I have one of my best
:16:14. > :16:17.school friends has two little girls from a surrogate mum. It has been
:16:17. > :16:24.the best thing that ever happened to her. I would consider that.. I
:16:24. > :16:28.think that people, I was lucky enough to have two children, I
:16:28. > :16:32.can't imagine people going through the awfulness of not having a child.
:16:33. > :16:35.I know you have the two boys, but I would encourage it. Yes.
:16:35. > :16:41.Lovely. Thank you very much to all of you.
:16:41. > :16:44.Thank you for making the journey down from Glasgow. Cory is loving
:16:44. > :16:48.the lights there. He is happy there.
:16:48. > :16:53.Now, violence this week in East Belfast has shown that a few people
:16:53. > :17:00.in Northern Ireland are reluctant to put deep-rooted prejudices
:17:00. > :17:06.behind them, but 60 miles up the road, two sides have been brought
:17:06. > :17:12.together in unity by a bridge. Anita Rani reports from Derry. Here
:17:12. > :17:15.on the Cityside is the largely Catholic community and over there,
:17:15. > :17:24.the eastside, and mainly the Protestant community, but the hope
:17:24. > :17:31.is that the divide between the two will soon be reduced by this... The
:17:31. > :17:35.Peace Bridge. Due to open this weekend, the 310
:17:36. > :17:40.metre Longbridge offers hope of a more integrated city, literally
:17:40. > :17:46.bringing it together. Phil Cunningham, a Catholic has lived
:17:46. > :17:51.his entire life on the westside. There was a summer movement in the
:17:51. > :17:55.early 197 os, the Protestant moved to the east bank and the
:17:55. > :17:59.nationalists on the east bank moved back to the nationalist areas. When
:17:59. > :18:01.the bridge was being built, people were saying that it could help to
:18:01. > :18:05.make the people meet each other in the middle of the bridge.
:18:05. > :18:14.Do you think that it will? There is a lot of peace in the town. It is
:18:14. > :18:18.not as bad as other areas, so this will help the peace bridge -- the
:18:18. > :18:23.Peace Bridge. And on the other side of the bridge,
:18:23. > :18:29.George has similar hopes. How significant is the bridge? It is
:18:29. > :18:33.tremendous. It is like a jigsaw puzzle, this is a very important
:18:33. > :18:39.part of that jigsaw. The piece that you are always looking for in a
:18:39. > :18:43.jigsaw, this is it, hopefully. I'm back on the water to meet one
:18:43. > :18:48.of the people who made the bridge possible, chief engineer, Philip
:18:48. > :18:52.Brown. So, what is the idea behind the bridge? It was not just a link
:18:52. > :18:57.from one side to the other. It was a symbol of the coming together of
:18:57. > :19:04.the two communities. You can see the mass of the Kabuls, coming out,
:19:05. > :19:09.meeting in the middle. It gives -- you can see the mass of cabeles, it
:19:10. > :19:14.gives the idea of hands shaking together to met in the middle.
:19:14. > :19:18.It is a very diplomatic bridge, then? Definitely.
:19:18. > :19:23.So, what do the people of Londonderry think of their new
:19:23. > :19:28.landmark? I think it is a fantastic piece of infrastructure that has
:19:28. > :19:34.come to the city. It is brilliant for the city to grow. What areas do
:19:34. > :19:37.you not go to, this is a change that could make that more available.
:19:37. > :19:40.Although the Derry Peace Bridge is not officially opened until
:19:40. > :19:43.Saturday, we have been granted special access to be the first
:19:43. > :19:47.civilians to cross it. So, walking across the bridge for the first
:19:47. > :19:52.time, how does it feel? It feels lovely.
:19:52. > :19:55.I will let you stay here and let you carry on across your own,
:19:55. > :20:00.George who is living on the otherside is going to meet you
:20:00. > :20:09.halfway. All the best. Hello. How are you? They have done
:20:09. > :20:15.a lovely job. It is fantastic. View. -- snfplt the view.
:20:15. > :20:19.This is a bridge over troubled waters, but it symbolises the
:20:19. > :20:24.future, not the past. Now we have loads to ask you Denise,
:20:24. > :20:29.but first of all a message from a The One Show viewer. Remember the
:20:29. > :20:33.night you offered to make me a male. You walked past the pan rack in the
:20:33. > :20:38.kitchen, that is a good one. thought he was going to say
:20:38. > :20:43.something else, then! So, what is the story? I made no issue of the
:20:43. > :20:46.fact I am not the best cook in the world. I don't like to do it. I see
:20:46. > :20:52.the kitchen as somewhere where you open wine.
:20:52. > :20:57.When we moved into the house about ten years ago, apparently I walked
:20:57. > :21:03.into the kitchen and said, "I'm going to make something to eat
:21:03. > :21:07.tonight, where are the pans?" I had walked past a pan rack that had
:21:07. > :21:12.been there for three weeks, I had never seen it. I have selective
:21:12. > :21:21.sight in the kitchen. That is what he is on about. He is the cook. If
:21:22. > :21:25.I try my two boys do that, "Ah bless" Face! Hopefully he will have
:21:26. > :21:31.supper on the table when you get home! Yes.
:21:31. > :21:37.It is a shame he is not here, you are both starring in a new
:21:37. > :21:41.documentary? Yes. We are doing Don't Cry For Me Maradona. Tim is
:21:41. > :21:45.playing Bob Marshall-Andrews and I'm playing Lady Elsie. We are
:21:45. > :21:51.doing a tribute. Not doing impressions. It is basically a
:21:51. > :21:55.drama that is written, it comes after the wake of the famous
:21:55. > :22:02.Maradona handball incident. That devastated Bob Marshall-Andrews and
:22:02. > :22:08.people all over, but really this play -- devastated Sir Bobby Robson.
:22:08. > :22:13.It takes place on a picnic. It really shows how their love for
:22:13. > :22:17.each other, how she coaxed him out of his depression after it happened.
:22:18. > :22:22.He felt responsible, he thought that he may lose his job. It is a
:22:22. > :22:26.very endearing story. He has been a legend in the north.
:22:26. > :22:30.For us, for everybody. Since Sir Bobby Robson has died, he
:22:30. > :22:40.has become a national treasure? think that the reason is for that,
:22:40. > :22:41.
:22:41. > :22:51.Matt, he was one of life's good guys. E -- he never had a bad word
:22:51. > :22:52.
:22:52. > :22:58.for anybody. Paul Gascoigne, he was with us when he had died, he was
:22:58. > :23:00.like a father figure to Paul Gascoigne. On this day, our little
:23:00. > :23:04.boy luckily, got to meet him before he died.
:23:05. > :23:09.They were a devoted couple? Yes. Totally.
:23:09. > :23:15.We have a clip from Sports Personality of the Year Award, he
:23:15. > :23:22.speaks to wonderfulally about Elsie. I have to thank my wife, Elsie, who
:23:22. > :23:30.stuck with me for about 52 years, without her I wouldn't be what I
:23:30. > :23:34.am... APPLAUSE . Sir Bobby Robson there. That was
:23:34. > :23:38.2007. She's been very active in the making of this drama. It was
:23:38. > :23:42.important to me. Was it difficult with her being so
:23:42. > :23:46.close to him and you playing her? Only when I knew that she said that
:23:46. > :23:52.she loved the piece. It is a little slice of their life. It was on
:23:52. > :23:57.Tuesday and it is on again on Sunday night at 6.00pm. There you
:23:57. > :24:01.are, Radio 5 Live. Now, nothing says nature more than the sound of
:24:01. > :24:05.bird song, but throw in a pile of squawking gulls, there is another
:24:05. > :24:08.story. They have a bit of a bad reputation, especially when they
:24:08. > :24:16.pinch your chips irbgs like this one in Bridlington Harbour. There
:24:16. > :24:20.he is. Mike Dilger has met some people in
:24:20. > :24:25.Devon who are not so keen on sea gulls either.
:24:25. > :24:30.Walking down a High Street we are used to be watched by CCTV, but on
:24:30. > :24:36.this street, there are more pairs of eyes watching than you may
:24:36. > :24:41.realise. A menace has been growing and the problems have been making
:24:41. > :24:45.headline news. So, what happened to make the gulls turn nasty. For the
:24:45. > :24:49.vast majority of the year humans and gulls live cheek by bake
:24:49. > :24:55.without a problem. However, during the breeding season, all of that
:24:55. > :25:00.changes. While they nest, the gulls become extremely protective of
:25:00. > :25:03.their young. This is the one time of the year when coexisting with
:25:03. > :25:09.the humans it can have dangerous consequences.
:25:09. > :25:12.The sea gulls in June and July are a nightmare. If there is food, they
:25:12. > :25:18.are aggressive. I don't allow them to get too close.
:25:18. > :25:24.With a wing span of up to five feet, an adult sea gull is a force to be
:25:24. > :25:28.reckoned with. So what can be done? The worst cases, the councils are
:25:28. > :25:35.able to destroy the gull nest, but only when they are a threat to
:25:35. > :25:39.safety. One man to help is professional pest controller, Andy
:25:39. > :25:43.Payne. Is it common that people are being attacked? Yes, there are
:25:43. > :25:45.gulls doing a lot of damage to properties. They are attacking
:25:46. > :25:51.children, pets, elderly people as well.
:25:51. > :25:55.What can you do? If we have gulls nesting on the roof then we look at
:25:55. > :25:59.whether the client is being attacked, visit rs to the property
:25:59. > :26:04.are being attacked, if that is the case we can remove the nest. Other
:26:04. > :26:13.than that we have to wait until the young have fledged the nest before
:26:13. > :26:18.we carry out any investigations. Removing nests or harming the gulls
:26:18. > :26:23.can land you with a heavy fine or even a prison sentence. It is
:26:23. > :26:27.illegal for me to even step foot on a roof with a suspected gull nest,
:26:27. > :26:32.so Andy has agreed to take a camera. We are going up there to see what
:26:32. > :26:36.the situation is up there, to look at seeing what we can do for them.
:26:36. > :26:40.Unfortunately for the family of this house, Andy finds a nest, the
:26:40. > :26:45.gulls may be a nuisance, but there is no clear danger to the public
:26:45. > :26:49.health. So like many of the cases, the family below have to put up
:26:49. > :26:53.with their noisy neighbours, but later in the year he can return to
:26:53. > :26:59.make the roof gull-proof. In some cases there is really no solution
:26:59. > :27:05.but to keep an eye on the sky until after the breeding season, but many
:27:05. > :27:10.gulls cause a nuisance all year- round by stealing food and raiding
:27:10. > :27:15.rubbish. The RSPB believe that changing the way that we live is
:27:15. > :27:19.the way to tackle the birds' yorb behaviour.
:27:19. > :27:25.The gulls were not nesting on the roofs but were prompted to because
:27:25. > :27:30.of the waste. We did not waste food back in the day. That changed. Then
:27:30. > :27:34.there were landfill sights to deal with this. So, lots of food around.
:27:34. > :27:41.Then the other thing is of course, if you look around the towns, all
:27:41. > :27:45.you can see with a gull's eye is a perfect nesting space it is a flat
:27:45. > :27:51.roof with shingle on. No wonder the gulls like them it is
:27:51. > :27:58.like a beach! The herring gull is decreasing in number in There is no
:27:58. > :28:01.denying that they are increasing -- the herring gull is decreasing in
:28:01. > :28:05.number? There is no denying that they are. So that is the reason
:28:05. > :28:12.that they are listed. The reason for the decline is that
:28:12. > :28:16.there are far fewer fishing waters in the -- vessels in the waters. So
:28:16. > :28:22.it is our changing habits that have pushed them away from the coasts to
:28:22. > :28:25.attract them to the towns. They are the ultimate opportunists, taking
:28:25. > :28:32.advantage of a world we have created.
:28:32. > :28:39.There you go, did you know that sea gulls can live for up to 40 years?
:28:39. > :28:46.40 years too long! I don't mean that! Obviously you not a fan! What
:28:46. > :28:55.about you, Denise? I don't like the idea of birds in the -- near me. I
:28:55. > :29:02.don't mind them from a distance. I have been attacked by a sea gull
:29:02. > :29:08.from behind. No, not fans of a sea gull.
:29:08. > :29:14.Only if they poo on your head. Then that is lucky.
:29:14. > :29:17.Thank you very much for coming along, you can listen to Tim and
:29:17. > :29:21.Denise in Don't Cry For Me Maradona on Radio 5 Live this Sunday at