:00:20. > :00:26.Hello and welcome to The One Show with Alex Jones and Matt Baker. Two
:00:27. > :00:30.people who are stepping out of their comfort zone, a British Muslim who
:00:31. > :00:38.is bent 18 months trying to CIA to eye with this man. -- who spent 18
:00:39. > :00:47.months trying to say it to eye. And a comedian who spent time trying to
:00:48. > :00:54.observe the habits of sheep. Please welcome Ed Byrne. This being live
:00:55. > :01:00.television, you nearly didn't get here on time. The traffic in London
:01:01. > :01:05.is shocking tonight. I nearly had to do that thing where I got out of the
:01:06. > :01:13.car and started running. It started moving. I am determined to beat the
:01:14. > :01:19.car! And then the car pulled up and said, are you sure you don't want to
:01:20. > :01:24.get back in? Help yourself to water and thanks for making it. The style
:01:25. > :01:30.of your show, Roaring Forties, all of these things that annoy you. I
:01:31. > :01:34.talk about the thing that I have been an old git all my life and now
:01:35. > :01:40.I have reached my 40s, I feel like I can relax into it and talk about all
:01:41. > :01:46.the things that I hate in the world. We could not believe you were
:01:47. > :01:54.in your 40s. You are so whose fault. -- so useful.
:01:55. > :01:59.If you have found yourself with a gripe that has only come about since
:02:00. > :02:08.reaching your 40s, get in touch and share it. It might end up in the
:02:09. > :02:14.show. We will put your gripes to Ed and see if it can offer any worldly
:02:15. > :02:19.wisdom. Prepare for a culture shock documentary. In a programme that
:02:20. > :02:23.airs next week, Muslim political commentator Mo Ansar, who calls for
:02:24. > :02:31.the English Defence League to be banned, is filmed over an 18 month
:02:32. > :02:35.period as he gets to know the leader of the EDL, Tommy Robinson. They
:02:36. > :02:40.were brought together by Nicky Campbell last April, and Nikki takes
:02:41. > :02:44.up the story. Tommy Robinson was the founder and
:02:45. > :02:48.leader of the Indus defence league, always at the forefront of their
:02:49. > :02:56.controversial Street protests. I don't care if you say I am racist, I
:02:57. > :02:58.don't care what you say to me. In April 2012, when Tommy Robinson was
:02:59. > :03:02.still the leader of the list defence league, he took part in a
:03:03. > :03:14.conversation about far right extremists. You can't call everyone
:03:15. > :03:18.who opposes Islam the far right. The man who had tried to get the EDL
:03:19. > :03:23.band issued a surprising invitation. If you ever want come to meet my
:03:24. > :03:27.family for dinner, you are more than welcome. This unexpected gesture of
:03:28. > :03:32.friendship was the start of something for both Tommy and Mo. I
:03:33. > :03:37.had in my mind that if the opportunity came out, I would want
:03:38. > :03:41.to reach out to him somehow. He doesn't seem to have an answer to a
:03:42. > :03:47.lot of the issues but I warmed to him when I met him. No Muslim had
:03:48. > :03:52.ever asked to address the EDL leader before. Tommy set up a meeting in
:03:53. > :03:57.Luton, where it all began. At the issued Mo with a warning. These
:03:58. > :04:00.people don't hate you, they ordinary people who have concerns and fears
:04:01. > :04:08.about what has happened to their country. The most important thing is
:04:09. > :04:11.to open up a dialogue. As somebody who was born in this country and is
:04:12. > :04:17.British, I think I uphold British values. I am also a Muslim. Islam is
:04:18. > :04:22.not here to take over the country or the world. That is not the Islam
:04:23. > :04:27.that I know. The Islam that I know lives in coexistence, honours and
:04:28. > :04:34.respects British virtues and values. Does anyone recognise the Islam that
:04:35. > :04:45.Mo is talking about. Muslims are not one tribe. They do not think the
:04:46. > :04:51.same. So you can't defend Islam. You can defend yours but nobody else's.
:04:52. > :04:57.The meeting adjourned to allow Mo to pray. Mo was pleased, it felt like a
:04:58. > :05:01.good first. He was relieved they had listened to each other. They had
:05:02. > :05:05.strongly held views and it is the kind of thing we need to do more.
:05:06. > :05:10.That conversation could have gone on for weeks. I think it went good, I
:05:11. > :05:17.hope it has changed Mo's perception, I hope it showed him that people
:05:18. > :05:21.have concerns. Tommy agreed to visit this mosque in Walsall. It was the
:05:22. > :05:25.first time he had ever entered a mosque and to some of his followers,
:05:26. > :05:32.this would have been unthinkable. Tommy, too, still had serious
:05:33. > :05:35.misgivings. I think a mosque is a command and control centre. I think
:05:36. > :05:39.the last thing they do is pray. I don't want any more mosques built
:05:40. > :05:43.because I believe we are adding to the problem. When Islam integrates
:05:44. > :05:48.and assimilates in the same way as every other ideology and religion,
:05:49. > :05:52.then they can build more mosques. We will take our shoes off here. We
:05:53. > :05:57.will put them off here and go through. Mo took Tommy upstairs to
:05:58. > :06:01.watch the afternoon prayers, whilst most of the men low were completely
:06:02. > :06:07.unaware the leader of the list defence league was in their midst.
:06:08. > :06:12.-- the men below. Were unaware the leader of the English Defence League
:06:13. > :06:15.were in their missed. Tommy thinks it is wrong that women have to pray
:06:16. > :06:27.behind the men. On this visit, Mo took Tommy to meet
:06:28. > :06:34.with one of Britain's's leading Muslim scholars. Every mosque I look
:06:35. > :06:40.at, I can find a homophobic, anti-Semitic creature who will come
:06:41. > :06:43.into this country and give a sermon. They should be stopped for some to
:06:44. > :06:47.be a good Muslim I have to be a good human being before everything. I
:06:48. > :06:51.disagree with a lot of your views but I respect you as a human being
:06:52. > :06:56.for it cannot harm you, it is forbidden.
:06:57. > :07:02.People want to smash my face in, murder my kids, my wife. Don't
:07:03. > :07:09.measure is long by the behaviour of some. We have to make the best of
:07:10. > :07:13.the situation. The best of the situation is finding the good ones
:07:14. > :07:19.and the moderate ones and pushing them to the forefront and making
:07:20. > :07:23.sure they are heard. A fascinating film and Mo is with
:07:24. > :07:30.us. Welcome, nice to see you. Why did you invite Tommy into your world
:07:31. > :07:35.and in hindsight, do you have any regrets? Muslims all over the
:07:36. > :07:40.country have been worried and concerned about the rising tensions,
:07:41. > :07:43.the increase in anti-Muslim prejudice and attacks. I thought,
:07:44. > :07:49.you have got to start somewhere. For going on the programme on big
:07:50. > :07:55.questions, I asked a higher authority for advice. I checked with
:07:56. > :08:05.my wife first. I said to my Mrs, if I get the opportunity, I will invite
:08:06. > :08:09.him. She said it was fine. It did seem that he was open to dialogue,
:08:10. > :08:14.did you find he was different on camera than when the cameras were
:08:15. > :08:18.off? At the start of the journey, Tommy in particular committee is
:08:19. > :08:23.used to that kind of raucous situation. He puts up a lot of front
:08:24. > :08:28.and bravado. As time went on and we got to know each other, as the
:08:29. > :08:31.cameras were lifted or put aside, we were beginning to have more open
:08:32. > :08:36.dialogue. If you want to pursue peace, whether it is rhetorical
:08:37. > :08:41.weapons or physical arms, you have got to put them down and come around
:08:42. > :08:44.the table and have a conversation. You were saying there were lots of
:08:45. > :08:50.parts of Tommy that you learned to love by the end of the documentary.
:08:51. > :08:54.On two occasions, we were sat on the big questions, going hammer and
:08:55. > :08:58.tongs at each other. Twitter picked up on the fact that we both cracked
:08:59. > :09:01.up a little bit. We looked at each other and it was like being kids at
:09:02. > :09:05.the back of the classroom and you start giggling, you don't know why.
:09:06. > :09:10.There was another time on the back streets of Newcastle, the EDL
:09:11. > :09:16.rally, after some recent events and tensions were running high. We were
:09:17. > :09:20.having a really heated debate. Tommy is a bit cheeky, he put his arm
:09:21. > :09:25.around me. As someone who stands up against fascism and hate and
:09:26. > :09:30.prejudice, I didn't like it. I tried to laugh it off, it is not easy. As
:09:31. > :09:35.a person of faith, you kind of accepted and you go with it. It took
:09:36. > :09:43.a real dramatic ending, the whole tale. Yes, we have spent 18 months
:09:44. > :09:46.on this journey together. We have listened to both sides of the
:09:47. > :09:51.argument. He has met a lot of Muslims, I have met members of the
:09:52. > :09:56.EDL. I suppose it is dramatic, the idea that Tommy resigned from the
:09:57. > :10:00.EDL. It was quite a shock to a lot of people across the country. Having
:10:01. > :10:04.been on the journey with him, I began to see him softening on some
:10:05. > :10:10.of his views. Maybe not all of them but enough. Some of his views, you
:10:11. > :10:14.agree with. He says you can't call anyone who opposes everything to do
:10:15. > :10:20.with Islam the far right. How could you not agree with that. It is a
:10:21. > :10:23.relatively reasonable statement. The bit when people are perhaps saying,
:10:24. > :10:27.we don't want you in our country, giving Nazi salutes, saying we don't
:10:28. > :10:32.want any more mosques, maybe you are not British... I am born here, I am
:10:33. > :10:37.raised here, my grandfather fought in World War II lost two of his
:10:38. > :10:42.brothers, I have a right to express my fate in this country. For
:10:43. > :10:46.somebody to say you're not part of Britain it is difficult to content
:10:47. > :10:52.with -- express my faith in this country. You have criticised some
:10:53. > :11:02.muslin voices. There is an intolerant strain within all
:11:03. > :11:05.communities. -- Muslim voices. Whatever background you come from
:11:06. > :11:10.there are extreme voices and it is really important that people who
:11:11. > :11:14.have got sensible voices are very British way of doing things, perhaps
:11:15. > :11:17.walking through your problems are not going to the extremes of the
:11:18. > :11:23.situation, I think you do have to speak up. When people oppose
:11:24. > :11:26.equality, they are homophobic or racist or sexist, I think it is
:11:27. > :11:30.important that people find their voice and speak up. Is this an area
:11:31. > :11:36.you would always avoid as a comedian? Religion is a big things
:11:37. > :11:41.that comedians like to talk about. I am an atheist at when I do jokes
:11:42. > :11:46.about religion, I generally make fun of Christianity because that is
:11:47. > :11:53.where I am from. You are an atheist... It's fine... If you have
:11:54. > :11:57.a pop at Christianity, the main thing people say is you would not
:11:58. > :12:02.say that about Muslims. I have also had a go at Hindus and Muslims. I am
:12:03. > :12:07.all-inclusive when it comes to making fun of religion. It is an
:12:08. > :12:10.easy thing to make fun of. If you apply a serious logic, it is a
:12:11. > :12:15.difficult thing for it to stand up so it is easy to have a pop at it.
:12:16. > :12:22.The overall conclusion of this documentary? What you have
:12:23. > :12:25.experienced over 18 months? Slightly cynical but cautiously optimistic.
:12:26. > :12:30.The most important thing is when you have differences, tensions and
:12:31. > :12:34.difficulties, the only way is dialogue. You don't tackle hate with
:12:35. > :12:38.more hate. It is a lesson for all of us. Don't miss Quitting The English
:12:39. > :12:46.Defence League: When Tommy Met Mo. It is on Monday night at 10:35pm on
:12:47. > :12:51.BBC One. As well as clamouring to the top of his profession as a
:12:52. > :13:00.stand-up, in his spare time, Ed can be found climbing hills and scaling
:13:01. > :13:10.mountains. So much so... In the hill walker Bible, the great outdoors.
:13:11. > :13:15.Who better to send up one of Snowdonia's highest peaks, to have a
:13:16. > :13:23.look at Juniper plans. Would you sign this form it?
:13:24. > :13:26.Juniper is one of the oldest plants in the UK with most populations
:13:27. > :13:32.confined to mountainous regions, like here in Snowdonia National
:13:33. > :13:38.Park. Ed's mission needs a love of climbing and a passion for plants.
:13:39. > :13:42.Luckily he has both. I was enrolled in a degree for horticulture for a
:13:43. > :13:46.couple of years, before deciding academia was not the life for me.
:13:47. > :13:49.Which is a shame because I somebody pointed out, if I had stuck with
:13:50. > :13:57.gardening, I might have my own TV show by now. Your love of plants is
:13:58. > :14:07.still there? I retained a love of plants and a love of Scotland. I
:14:08. > :14:13.like to get Munros, I have done 72 of those mountains. Eventually I
:14:14. > :14:18.will get them all done. I am a quarter of the way through. Let's
:14:19. > :14:24.get a bit higher into the mountains and see a few more plants. Up until
:14:25. > :14:27.the 1970s, Snowdonia was a stronghold for Juniper. As the
:14:28. > :14:34.number of nibbling sheep in the Park has increased, they have decimated
:14:35. > :14:42.the juniper bushes. They take off all of these tasty bits and this is
:14:43. > :14:48.almost an ex-juniper bush. You have got to hand it to them, to get up
:14:49. > :14:53.here, it is singing for your supper. Something like 43 different types of
:14:54. > :14:58.invertebrate rely on Juniper for a living. 40 species of fungi also
:14:59. > :15:04.depend on this rare plant, as well as a righty of small mammals and
:15:05. > :15:08.birds, so it is vital for the Park. Trevor has been taking action by
:15:09. > :15:11.searching out surviving Juniper bushes so they can then be
:15:12. > :15:16.conserved. He has found Juniper right at the top of this huge peak,
:15:17. > :15:22.but there is one new patch that he wants to survey and just can't
:15:23. > :15:26.reach. There are lots of Juniper is on the slope, it is easy to see
:15:27. > :15:33.them, but we can't get to them. It is on that Cliff, that is where we
:15:34. > :15:41.are heading. We are abseiling? I like abseiling. This mountain, at
:15:42. > :15:45.almost 3,000 feet, is almost the height of its neighbour, Mount
:15:46. > :15:50.Snowdon. The Juniper is right at the top and it takes two hours of hard
:15:51. > :15:59.hiking to reach it. What a view? Even with Snowdon
:16:00. > :16:04.shrouded in mist. I think from the top, all the way down. I have been
:16:05. > :16:08.up here for ten years or so, I have never got onto those slopes. That is
:16:09. > :16:13.mainly because getting onto it needs a lot of help and specialist
:16:14. > :16:18.equipment. That is the look, Ed. To get an idea
:16:19. > :16:24.of Juniper numbers, they will need to abseil from the top of the cliff,
:16:25. > :16:28.which has a 600 foot sheer drop into the lake, counting as they go.
:16:29. > :16:33.And it is essential that someone stays behind and takes note of what
:16:34. > :16:41.they find. On the steepest bits, there is no Juniper. Oh, there is
:16:42. > :16:45.one to the left. Oh, yes! Trevor is hoping to find some Juniper
:16:46. > :16:51.seedlings, a sure-fire sign that the population is thriving. One
:16:52. > :16:58.seedling! Congratulations. We are proud fathers over here. So that is
:16:59. > :17:07.about three centimetres across. We are going to call him Trevor.
:17:08. > :17:12.But it is not all good news. This has got some problems. It has got
:17:13. > :17:18.sheep poo on it. That is not good. So even then here, the sheep are
:17:19. > :17:22.getting it. It is directly on top. But despite evidence of some
:17:23. > :17:27.grazing, we managed to record a total of 50 juniper bushes. Scaling
:17:28. > :17:31.back up, Trevor estimates there would be around 200 on the entire
:17:32. > :17:36.cliff face, making this one of the most important Juniper site in
:17:37. > :17:39.Snowdonia. It only takes two or three tiny seedlings on this whole
:17:40. > :17:45.rock face and that is the future secured on this cliff.
:17:46. > :17:48.Have you enjoyed your day? It was a great day. I thought it was about
:17:49. > :17:56.learning boring Latin names, but rock, equipment, it is quite a manly
:17:57. > :18:00.thing. That's what you like about it.
:18:01. > :18:07.Really good. On behalf of everybody having a gin and tonic at the
:18:08. > :18:10.moment, thanks for looking after Juniper. We were disappointed there
:18:11. > :18:17.were no berries on them, that was the thing we were looking for. I
:18:18. > :18:27.wanted to do the life from the Life Of Brian. You Said You Have Done 72
:18:28. > :18:31.Munros, Have You Done Any More? I Have Done 73, I Popped Up And Did
:18:32. > :18:35.Ben Nevis When I Was In The Edinburgh Festival. And The
:18:36. > :18:44.Cairngorms. So You're Just Going To Crack On? 75 Isn't Bad For Someone
:18:45. > :18:55.Who Lives In Essex. And If It Isn't A Monro, It Is A Corporate. 3,000
:18:56. > :19:02.Feet Is A Corporate. -- Corbett. 3,000 Feet Is The Height Of The
:19:03. > :19:07.Scottish Cloud Just Sits At! This Is A Whole New Film, We Need To Get You
:19:08. > :19:11.Harnessed Up Again. We Have Seen You On The Hills, Let's See You On
:19:12. > :19:14.Stage. This Is You Arguing With Your Wife.
:19:15. > :19:21.While You Are Robbed, I Will Have A Sandwich. I'm Closing The Curtains!
:19:22. > :19:27.-- while you are Rob. Because you told me to! Well, you are Rob now.
:19:28. > :19:35.You are closer to the kitchen than I am. Yes, but you are up. My chair is
:19:36. > :19:39.not made of kryptonite. It is not like I have no escape its evil
:19:40. > :19:44.clutches and I am free to do what I like. Dry stone wall, I might as
:19:45. > :19:51.well, I am up. It is just what we do. It is so true. You found the
:19:52. > :19:58.clean bit of that show. There was a lot of editing before we founded. It
:19:59. > :20:02.is cleaner, is that a point? It is up until the last five minutes. It
:20:03. > :20:06.gets really filthy in the last five minutes, and the rest of it is one
:20:07. > :20:10.of the most accessible I have done. This is all about you hitting 40.
:20:11. > :20:15.How has your life changed from when you are in your 20s? I have always
:20:16. > :20:20.been a difficult person to get along with, always wanting to be funny and
:20:21. > :20:25.when I started to become a comic in my 20s, I was much easier to get on
:20:26. > :20:28.with in everyday life. Now I am in my 40s, I have gone back to being an
:20:29. > :20:34.idiot all the time, acting like a child. You know think that air
:20:35. > :20:39.guitar is completely acceptable. It is one of those things, I just don't
:20:40. > :20:45.care. You don't care if you are cool any more if you start doing this in
:20:46. > :20:52.a bar. My wife hates it. I can see why. I generalise, but I will
:20:53. > :21:01.generalise that the stake sake of stand-up. But you never hear a woman
:21:02. > :21:05.sake he is not much to look at, but you should see him play air guitar!
:21:06. > :21:10.And then I will start drums and she will say, which is it? Is that not
:21:11. > :21:15.the pettiest restriction you can place on the one you love? You can
:21:16. > :21:19.only pick one imaginary instrument! You must have some positive effect
:21:20. > :21:26.on the audience members because two fainted last week. In Brighton. I
:21:27. > :21:30.was talking about how I had a hernia. I wasn't that graphic, I
:21:31. > :21:33.just talked about what it is, getting the anaesthetic and the
:21:34. > :21:39.needle in the arm and two people passed out and one nearly had a
:21:40. > :21:44.panic attack. I had done it 40 times and it hadn't been a problem, then
:21:45. > :21:51.three in one night. Squeamish people. I don't know if I have two
:21:52. > :21:55.give a health warning. This is your 20th year in stand-up. I guess she
:21:56. > :22:02.would hope it lasted that long, but does it still felt like the early
:22:03. > :22:05.stages -- you would hope? It is nice to be still going. I am one of the
:22:06. > :22:10.only people who read the reviews. Not that they matter, but I do read
:22:11. > :22:15.them. It is nice, people are generally saying it is getting
:22:16. > :22:18.funnier, so it is nice that you are still improving. We may have some
:22:19. > :22:22.new material for you, the viewers have been e-mailing in some gripes
:22:23. > :22:27.they have found on getting into their 40s. Jenny from Somerset says
:22:28. > :22:35.she cannot stand men walking around with their trousers... I thought you
:22:36. > :22:43.are going to say you just can't stand men. I just want a yank their
:22:44. > :22:47.trousers. It is a very easy way to get into a fight on the tube. That
:22:48. > :22:51.whole fashion for your trousers around here, it comes from the fact
:22:52. > :22:54.that in South Central, you weren't allowed to wear a belt in jail, so
:22:55. > :22:58.this was a sign that you have been to jail, because you are used are
:22:59. > :23:03.not wearing a belt and it is a badge of honour in gangland. But if you
:23:04. > :23:07.are from Penge and you are walking around, you are not showing you have
:23:08. > :23:12.been to jail, you are showing that your mother has done a bang up job
:23:13. > :23:16.of getting the skid marks out of your underwear. We don't need to see
:23:17. > :23:22.that. We will leave it there! We don't have time to any more. Can you
:23:23. > :23:29.say skid marks on the one show? I should have asked. It is on the
:23:30. > :23:33.edge! So as we heard, Ed is mining a rich seam of comedy from turning
:23:34. > :23:41.40. According to the next film, you have to be over 35 to be in rock 'n'
:23:42. > :23:45.roll. Allah dad was Davy Jones of the
:23:46. > :23:51.Monkees, the cute English one -- our dad. He would kill me and saying
:23:52. > :23:58.that. The little one. He plays the tambourine. Annabelle looks the most
:23:59. > :24:02.like dad. They used to make fun of each other all the time. That would
:24:03. > :24:08.always say to me, why are you so short and why are your teeth so big,
:24:09. > :24:12.why is your nose so big? He was a child star. He worked in show
:24:13. > :24:17.business from the age of eight until the day he died. His mother was
:24:18. > :24:22.poorly, I think, for most of his childhood. She had problems with her
:24:23. > :24:32.lungs. Dad's love of entertaining was born out of making his family
:24:33. > :24:37.smile. I think you have got to be over 35 to be in rock 'n' roll these
:24:38. > :24:40.days. In 1967, the Monkees sold twice as many albums as the Beatles
:24:41. > :24:50.and the Rolling Stones put together. Last night in Washington, the mania
:24:51. > :24:53.was back. In the 80s, they had this huge revival. I went from living in
:24:54. > :25:00.a normal house in a normal street to living in a tour bus and travelling
:25:01. > :25:04.around America. I was two years old and I was on the road every year
:25:05. > :25:08.until I was 14 or 15. It was exciting, being a kid on tour,
:25:09. > :25:13.living in a tour bus. Getting to have Chinese food for breakfast,
:25:14. > :25:18.that kind of thing. I loved it. We would be in convoys. You have the
:25:19. > :25:22.bus for the crew under the bus for the artist. My dad and Mickey and
:25:23. > :25:26.Peter had their own buses and their own entourage. There aren't many
:25:27. > :25:31.times that you can go to work with your dad. We would tour as a family,
:25:32. > :25:35.which is fantastic. Then my parents divorced and we would have nannies
:25:36. > :25:44.on the road. In the school holidays, we would go and meet dad and go back
:25:45. > :25:49.to normal life. It was an adjustment. It was hard at school.
:25:50. > :25:53.Most people went to Bjork and things and there was nothing normal about
:25:54. > :26:03.what I had done -- to Chalker. I just couldn't communicate it, didn't
:26:04. > :26:07.know how. What are you doing? We better get the saddle together. It
:26:08. > :26:12.is fair to say my dad had two great passions. No-one was horses, and
:26:13. > :26:20.number two entertaining. When I was growing up, three things dad taught
:26:21. > :26:25.us. One was obviously knowing how to ride a horse. You have the know-how
:26:26. > :26:29.to make a good egg sandwich. I can make a good egg sandwich. I would
:26:30. > :26:36.eat them every day. Always hit the big diverse. I think he may be
:26:37. > :26:44.forgot he had daughters. -- always hit the big guy first. Go at a
:26:45. > :26:49.steady gallop. I am lucky enough to be left with a great gift, he taught
:26:50. > :26:51.me how to ride and had to care for animals. My sister is a fantastic
:26:52. > :27:04.singer and entertainer. He did want to help me. He used to
:27:05. > :27:15.help me all the time and I rejected it and rejected it. He used to say
:27:16. > :27:18.to me, why aren't you as famous and Miley Cyrus? I don't think he would
:27:19. > :27:23.be saying that now, giving her recent exploits, which I think are
:27:24. > :27:29.wonderful, by the way. Davy Jones, the British-born lead singer of the
:27:30. > :27:33.Monkees has died, he was 66. I honestly felt like my dad would
:27:34. > :27:37.never die, because he was so full of life. My dad's face was on the front
:27:38. > :27:42.of every single newspaper and I looked at it and I thought, I wish
:27:43. > :27:45.you could see this. Because he didn't know how significant that was
:27:46. > :27:50.going to be to so many people and didn't realise that for so many
:27:51. > :27:54.people, knowing that Davy Jones was dead was going to be a real... He
:27:55. > :28:08.didn't realise how special he was. Thanks so much, it was a real
:28:09. > :28:12.pleasure to meet him when he came on the show. You said earlier on that
:28:13. > :28:19.since turning 40, you didn't mind playing the old air guitar.
:28:20. > :28:27.Recently, a study led by Cambridge University...
:28:28. > :28:38.ELECTRIC GUITAR RIFF. Showed that it could lead to real
:28:39. > :28:47.musicians. We are going to be led out tonight by Wildthing37. I will
:28:48. > :28:57.be back tomorrow with Chris and Ian McShane.
:28:58. > :29:09.MUSIC: "Stepping Stone" by the Monkees.