:00:22. > :00:31.Wow! Hello and welcome to a red hot one show. With Matt Baker. And Alex
:00:32. > :00:36.Jones. Listen, Tim is here because we will explore science of fire
:00:37. > :00:41.breathing later on. First, let's meet tonight's guest, who is more
:00:42. > :00:45.used to burning up the race track and setting fire to world records.
:00:46. > :00:51.Here comes Chris Hoy. On the outside. Who will get it? I think
:00:52. > :00:55.Hoy got it. Will he get it? The answer is, yes - Chris Hoy is the
:00:56. > :01:01.world champion. Hoy takes it. Chris Hoy is the world
:01:02. > :01:08.champion! It is Sir Chris Hoy. Of course it
:01:09. > :01:15.is! How are you? Very well. How are you? Very good. I suppose you have
:01:16. > :01:19.put your bike in the shed, so to speak in professional terms. You
:01:20. > :01:24.have turned to being a children's author. We will hear later. You have
:01:25. > :01:31.signed a lot of books. We wonder if your arms are thicker than your
:01:32. > :01:35.thighs? Not far off it. I have signed 500 books in under 55 minutes
:01:36. > :01:41.it was. Not that I am a competitive person that I will time it or
:01:42. > :01:46.anything! You are not competitive at all, you sports people! The books
:01:47. > :01:50.feature a young boy and his granddad who build a bike together. Tonight,
:01:51. > :01:55.we would like to see something you have worked on with your grandparent
:01:56. > :02:01.on. So, whatever you have worked on, send us a picture with your project
:02:02. > :02:08.and we will show some later on. We are familiar with blood and/or began
:02:09. > :02:13.donations. Stem cell donations have made headlines recently thanks to
:02:14. > :02:18.campaigns. Lucy Siegle has met people whose mixed heritage has
:02:19. > :02:28.faced unique challenges in their fight against cancer. Today I am
:02:29. > :02:33.meeting Lois, his 13-year-old's daughter, Zara is being treated here
:02:34. > :02:38.for cancer. She is in desperate need of a transplant which will help to
:02:39. > :02:46.save her life. Tell me how Zara is doing? She amazes us for a 13 year
:02:47. > :02:54.old. The first time that she was told that she had cancer, she asked,
:02:55. > :03:02.does that mean I am going to die? It is like somebody has taken a bat to
:03:03. > :03:10.your face. What do you say? What did you say? Immediately, my answer was,
:03:11. > :03:17."No." What is happening with the search at the moment? So, Zara has
:03:18. > :03:23.been referred to London transplant centre and they search all the
:03:24. > :03:36.registries that exist around the world. I am of Arab decent and
:03:37. > :03:41.Karensa my wife is British. Having that mixed heritage causes some
:03:42. > :03:45.difficulty in finding a match. There are eight billion people around the
:03:46. > :03:49.world and there is a tiny amount of them on these registries.
:03:50. > :03:55.Unfortunately, although I would love to meet Zara I cannot because she's
:03:56. > :04:01.in an isolation ward, having gone through another bout of chemo
:04:02. > :04:06.therapy. It is too risky for anyone else to meet her. Joe from Delete
:04:07. > :04:10.Blood Cancer UK has been working closely with Zara and her family to
:04:11. > :04:14.find a match. This is a really, really serious situation. There's no
:04:15. > :04:24.point in sugar-coating this, is there? She needs a donor to survive.
:04:25. > :04:29.We appeal to come forward. You could become Zara's life saver. Why don't
:04:30. > :04:35.more of us become donors? Well the issue seems to be when it comes to
:04:36. > :04:41.stem cell donation we find it a bit scary and invyive. The charity
:04:42. > :04:49.Anthony Nolan has made busting these types of myths a top priority. We
:04:50. > :04:53.have had to dispel the myths so people understand it is a simple
:04:54. > :04:59.process. It is like donating blood. Tell me about a recent success you
:05:00. > :05:04.had. In January we had a young 24 year, Lara, who needed a transplant
:05:05. > :05:07.and her family and friends launched this most inspirational campaign. We
:05:08. > :05:11.have searched globally to find a match.
:05:12. > :05:18.Who did you hear from and where were they? A lot of people in Italy had
:05:19. > :05:23.heard about it and Italy. -- Thailand and to Australia. One story
:05:24. > :05:26.in Thailand who took an eight-hour bus to Bangkok because he heard
:05:27. > :05:31.about the campaign and went to donate. What was it like when you
:05:32. > :05:37.heard that a match had been found? It is hard to put it into words like
:05:38. > :05:42.how grateful I am. And to think that my donor was one in 26 million on
:05:43. > :05:46.the registry just shows that the need of more people to sign up, so
:05:47. > :05:52.that everyone can find that match of theirs.
:05:53. > :05:57.Lara has been given a life-line. For Zara, the wait goes on.
:05:58. > :06:02.How many times a day do you think about a possible donor? Every
:06:03. > :06:10.moment. Every waking moment. Please, please come forward. And the
:06:11. > :06:13.more people we can have on these bone marrow registries, the better.
:06:14. > :06:19.There are people waiting for that gift of life.
:06:20. > :06:26.Good luck to both girls. We wish you all the best. Having watched that I
:06:27. > :06:28.am sure there'll be hundreds out there wanting to help Zara and
:06:29. > :06:34.wanting to know whether they are a match. How do we find out? Is the
:06:35. > :06:37.test pretty straightforward by now? The test is really straightforward.
:06:38. > :06:42.There are three main bodies that will allow you to come forward for
:06:43. > :06:47.stem cell donation. The first is British bone mar row registry, if
:06:48. > :06:54.you live in the UK except for Wales, where it is the Wales bone marrow
:06:55. > :07:00.registry. Then we heard from Delete Blood Cancer and you have to weigh
:07:01. > :07:04.over 55kgs and be healthy. The age varies between the different bodies
:07:05. > :07:09.but because 16-65 you might be considered by one of those. It is
:07:10. > :07:15.easy to do the test. You can register online or register when you
:07:16. > :07:18.go in. You can do a test inside your mouth. Send it off. You will be
:07:19. > :07:22.added to a national registry and they all pool their resources.
:07:23. > :07:25.What's more, they pool them internationally, so you could help
:07:26. > :07:29.somebody from another country or if you ever needed it yourself, they
:07:30. > :07:35.could help you. What is the process then of donating? Is it painful? It
:07:36. > :07:40.used to be considered to be a really big procedure because a bone marrow
:07:41. > :07:44.transplant you would have a general and they would need to take samples
:07:45. > :07:48.from your bone marrow, usually inside your hip. These days 90% of
:07:49. > :07:54.them are done by peripheral stem cell transplant. That does not
:07:55. > :07:59.involve an thetic. You have one needle taking the cells out. They
:08:00. > :08:05.pop them out and pop them back in again. It takes four to five hours.
:08:06. > :08:08.Usually in London and you have four days of hormone beforehand to
:08:09. > :08:15.increase your level of stem cells to make it that bit better. Are there
:08:16. > :08:18.any side effects or risks? Any procedure has risks, but overall
:08:19. > :08:23.this is a safe procedure. You might find you are achy, a little bit of
:08:24. > :08:28.flu-like symptoms, back pine afterwards. Affect you would be
:08:29. > :08:35.fully briefed before you had it. With blood groups so many can help
:08:36. > :08:39.each other - how does it compare to mixed heritage stem cells? You need
:08:40. > :08:45.to match the tissue type and most of the genes. They come from your
:08:46. > :08:49.parents. Your genes are more likely to be very varied. People with
:08:50. > :08:53.different ethnic backgrounds will have different genes. That is why
:08:54. > :08:58.they try to find a family match. About 30% of people get a family
:08:59. > :09:02.match. The rest have to come from those wonderful generous people out
:09:03. > :09:09.there, who put themselves pore r forward address donors. --
:09:10. > :09:12.themselves forward as donors. We should all help each other. If you
:09:13. > :09:19.want more information head to our website. It is all there for you.
:09:20. > :09:28.Two years ago the Government gave extra funding to help rogue websites
:09:29. > :09:33.shut down companies which charge people for services which should be
:09:34. > :09:36.for free. For two-and-a-half million disabled drivers in the UK a blue
:09:37. > :09:41.badge in the windscreen is their ticket to independence, allowing
:09:42. > :09:45.them to park closer to their destination, including on yellow
:09:46. > :09:50.lines. But now those motorists who apply for their blue badge online
:09:51. > :09:56.are being targeted by a scam. Motorists like 73-year-old bren da
:09:57. > :10:00.Coles from Rochdale. She has a debilitating lung condition, coupled
:10:01. > :10:04.with severe arthritis in both knees. How important is the blue badge to
:10:05. > :10:10.you? It is extremely important. I could not get around without it.
:10:11. > :10:17.It is essential to my day-to-day running. Every three years Brenda
:10:18. > :10:21.has to renew her blue badge. In January she went to this website,
:10:22. > :10:27.she thought it was the official Government site. This looks like the
:10:28. > :10:31.official website. They have got the blue badge symbol on the website. It
:10:32. > :10:37.looks so genuine. I didn't think twice when I did it. I just wanted
:10:38. > :10:42.to get my blue badge. The website is unofficial, yet it
:10:43. > :10:51.pops up at the top of google charges and charges ?49 for what it calls an
:10:52. > :10:55.assistance service. What did Brenda get for her ?49 assistance fee? She
:10:56. > :10:58.got one of these - an application form, something which is completely
:10:59. > :11:03.free on the official Government website. And the official fee for a
:11:04. > :11:09.blue badge, well ?2 in Northern Ireland. ?10 in England. ?20 in
:11:10. > :11:13.Scotland and free in Wales. North gate public services run the
:11:14. > :11:18.scheme on behalf of the Government in England, Wales and Scotland.
:11:19. > :11:23.Services director says bren da is far from alone. We have loads of
:11:24. > :11:28.complaints from people who feel they have been taken in. They paid money
:11:29. > :11:37.in good faith and received nothing. Some live close to the breadline.
:11:38. > :11:42.What can you to clamp down on this? They hide behind sites and it is
:11:43. > :11:47.hard to find out who is behind the schemes. Time to get digging.
:11:48. > :11:52.It turns out, despite being a service for British people, blue
:11:53. > :11:56.badge on line dot organise is registered all the way over here -
:11:57. > :12:03.in Panama. It is a tactic often used by sites
:12:04. > :12:10.to disguise the firm's real base. We discovered this website is also very
:12:11. > :12:15.similar to an old one - parking permit UK.com. That offered help
:12:16. > :12:21.with blue badge applications and all for the bargain price... Of you
:12:22. > :12:23.guessed it... ?49. The website disappeared last year, after
:12:24. > :12:28.complaints from disabled motorists and a public warn from a disability
:12:29. > :12:32.charity. A bit more digging revealed both parking permit and blue badge
:12:33. > :12:39.online sites are linked to one person. They are registered to a man
:12:40. > :12:44.called Ramario Depass - time to hit the road!
:12:45. > :12:50.We contacted him, so far he's not responded. We have tracked him down
:12:51. > :12:58.to addresses in Essex. First up, his home address. He's not
:12:59. > :13:04.in. Does Ramario Depass live here? He's my son. Do you know where he
:13:05. > :13:08.is? I don't know where he is. A lot of people have complained he's
:13:09. > :13:12.ripped off disabled people - providing nothing for ?50 fees for a
:13:13. > :13:16.service that disabled people can get for free. I don't know what you are
:13:17. > :13:21.talking about. No joy there. I do have a mobile number for him. I am
:13:22. > :13:28.sorry, but the person you have called is not available. I cannot
:13:29. > :13:32.say I am surprised. For a man who supposedly helps disabled people,
:13:33. > :13:38.he's not keen talking about it. We have one last port of call. An
:13:39. > :13:43.office in Brentwood, where he has his post delivered. Seeing how he
:13:44. > :13:47.likes his blue badges so much, we have made him one of his own. Unlike
:13:48. > :13:55.his service, have made him one of his own. Unlike
:13:56. > :14:02.it? Do you want me to put have made him one of his own. Unlike
:14:03. > :14:07.from? He'll know who we are. Brenda was left ?49 worse off for the
:14:08. > :14:13.copycat site, still had to pay ?10 to get her blue badge. He's a low
:14:14. > :14:19.life, conning people out of money. He should be closed down.
:14:20. > :14:24.Thank you, Dan. The good news is that since we alerted them to of
:14:25. > :14:30.these activities Google have taken down his site and we have passed on
:14:31. > :14:34.our findings to the investigators in the Trading Standards E crime unit.
:14:35. > :14:38.It should be the end. If you are watching get in contact and let us
:14:39. > :14:45.know you got that post. Anyway, Chris you have turned attentions to
:14:46. > :14:49.writing. Where did all this come from? Has it been a passion for a
:14:50. > :14:53.while? Well, I never thought I would get the chance to do it. Since I
:14:54. > :14:57.have retired from cycling I have tried to encourage kids to take up
:14:58. > :15:05.cycling through different ways, with my bike brand I have supported a Go
:15:06. > :15:08.Ride, to get two million kids the opportunity to ride bikes between
:15:09. > :15:12.now and 2020. This was an idea we came up with and hopefully to
:15:13. > :15:17.inspire them to read and cycle their bikes. You enjoyed the process, you
:15:18. > :15:22.said the great thing is there's no rules to it. How much input did you
:15:23. > :15:27.have to the plot? The whole thing really. I sat down with Joanna
:15:28. > :15:31.Nadin, a successful children's author. We hit it off and we
:15:32. > :15:35.brain-stormed about the different ideas we could have. We talked about
:15:36. > :15:41.my childhood, my inspirations when I was a kid, my cycling career, the
:15:42. > :15:43.things I saw and did. It was a long process, basically of coming one
:15:44. > :15:55.different points and ideas. There will be five books in
:15:56. > :15:59.The first one, the best birthday bike, is about Fergus receiving this
:16:00. > :16:02.bike for his birthday. He is hoping for a Sullivan Swift, which is
:16:03. > :16:06.all singing, all dancing, expensive all singing, all dancing, expensive
:16:07. > :16:07.new bike, and he is a bit disappointed to get his dad's
:16:08. > :16:19.second-hand disappointed to get his dad's
:16:20. > :16:23.it ready for you. And this is about him discovering something special
:16:24. > :16:27.when he rides it. That mirrors your story, because the first time you
:16:28. > :16:31.came on the One Show, you showed us this picture of a bike you got from
:16:32. > :16:36.a car-boot sale. It was a jumble sale. My parents bought it for ?5.
:16:37. > :16:41.That was where the inspiration came from. I loved it, it was fantastic.
:16:42. > :16:45.At that age, your first bike is amazing. And have you drawn on
:16:46. > :16:50.people you know as inspiration for the other characters? That is the
:16:51. > :17:00.beauty of it, you can pick and choose. I feel bad, because I have
:17:01. > :17:04.named names. I will say one of the characters - Bradley Wiggins
:17:05. > :17:08.inspired me. But it is not the whole character, it is his riding style.
:17:09. > :17:17.When I first saw Bradley Wiggins when he was a teenager, gangly, with
:17:18. > :17:23.long limbs, and no sideburns at that point. He looks like he might have
:17:24. > :17:27.been born with them. He was a classic teenager, a bit awkward at
:17:28. > :17:31.that stage. And then he got on a bike and it was like poetry in
:17:32. > :17:35.motion. He had this fluid pedalling style, and you could just tell he
:17:36. > :17:40.was built to ride a bike. Soy-based one of the characters on that -- so
:17:41. > :17:46.I based one of the characters on him. And you have dedicated this to
:17:47. > :17:54.your son, Callum. We have a lovely photo, like father, like son. You
:17:55. > :17:59.even have the same body position. He is about two now? He is 16 months
:18:00. > :18:02.now, and he has just started walking. He is so much fun. I look
:18:03. > :18:09.forward to when he is old enough that I can read the books to him.
:18:10. > :18:15.You are still looking incredibly fit, Chris. Thank you very much! It
:18:16. > :18:19.is remarkable. You are still obviously training hard. I ride my
:18:20. > :18:23.bike every day. I love cycling. There are days when I am travelling,
:18:24. > :18:28.but I try and do something every day, and you feel better for doing
:18:29. > :18:33.it. Technically, I am working, but really I am just out riding a bike.
:18:34. > :18:37.We have to talk about Rio, because it is coming quickly. This will be
:18:38. > :18:43.the first one where you are not part of Team GB since Sydney in 2000. How
:18:44. > :18:48.will it be watching the team compete and not being part of the team? It
:18:49. > :18:51.will be tough. I went to the combo of games in Glasgow and was the
:18:52. > :18:55.first big championship I went to where I was not part of the
:18:56. > :18:59.competition -- I went to the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. It is
:19:00. > :19:03.fun because you get to soak up the atmosphere and enjoy it, whereas
:19:04. > :19:06.when you are competing, you are focused and single-mindedly thinking
:19:07. > :19:12.about yourself and your competition. But when the race starts, there will
:19:13. > :19:16.always be the feeling of wishing I was out there. I don't think I will
:19:17. > :19:20.go away. When I am in my 70s and 80s, I will remember the experiences
:19:21. > :19:23.and at times you had when you raced. More than that, I missed the
:19:24. > :19:28.day-to-day being at the track centre with the team and training on a
:19:29. > :19:36.daily basis. That is why I keep coming back to the velodrome, seeing
:19:37. > :19:39.the guys, hanging around. It must be invaluable, with the experience you
:19:40. > :19:44.have got. I still speak to the team regularly. I suppose I am a bit of a
:19:45. > :19:48.sounding board for them. I am not a selector or a coach. They can come
:19:49. > :19:53.to me and say, training is not going well, or it is going well, or
:19:54. > :19:57.whatever Tom and I can give them advice or say well done, or just
:19:58. > :20:05.chat about something else. Going back to the books, Flying Fergus is
:20:06. > :20:11.out today. You know what, I am really cold. Look at the hairs on my
:20:12. > :20:16.arms. Let's turn the heat up with some flaming good fire breathing.
:20:17. > :20:22.Here is Marty. Fire performance is thought to date
:20:23. > :20:28.back to Persia, more than 2000 years ago. Today, we are still fascinated
:20:29. > :20:33.by fire. But it goes without saying that you shouldn't try this at home.
:20:34. > :20:39.Fire and eating are impressive skills that take years to master.
:20:40. > :20:44.But how do these performers do it when they are quite literally
:20:45. > :20:49.playing with fire? For that, they need to really understand the
:20:50. > :20:57.science of combustion. Fire is a chemical reaction between oxygen, a
:20:58. > :21:01.fuel that is usually started with heat energy. And far performers use
:21:02. > :21:09.their understanding of these three crucial elements to manipulate their
:21:10. > :21:12.flame. -- fire performers. Dr Tim Cockerill, a fire breathing
:21:13. > :21:18.scientist, is going to reveal some red-hot tricks of the trade. The
:21:19. > :21:23.only secret to eating fire is following the rules of physics. So
:21:24. > :21:30.there is our flame. Other top, it very hot. But down here towards the
:21:31. > :21:33.bottom, it is a lot cooler colour so we always did our head right back so
:21:34. > :21:41.that the heat is going away from our face. Never breathed in. If you did,
:21:42. > :21:45.you would explode your lungs. Air is a poor conductor of heat, said Tim
:21:46. > :21:52.has a few seconds to hold the base of the flame in his mouth before it
:21:53. > :21:57.can burn him. He closes his lips around it, starving of vital oxygen
:21:58. > :22:02.and extinguishing the flame. But I want to know the secrets of the most
:22:03. > :22:09.impressive and dangerous stunt in the fire breather's repertoire. The
:22:10. > :22:13.human volcano. The real key to its success is in understanding the
:22:14. > :22:17.chemistry of your fuel, and disability to mix with the oxygen in
:22:18. > :22:23.the air. Different fuels have different volatility is, so this
:22:24. > :22:27.fuel, for example, is not very volatile, so it is not evaporating
:22:28. > :22:34.much. So there is not much of a per mixing with the oxygen. So if I take
:22:35. > :22:39.a match and throw it in, it just goes out. It doesn't like the fuel.
:22:40. > :22:44.Whereas this fuel is a very volatile fuel, so there is a lot of
:22:45. > :22:49.evaporation and a lot of vapour mixing with oxygen. So if I take a
:22:50. > :22:55.match and do the same thing... It ignites straightaway. Tim needs to
:22:56. > :23:02.create a huge fireball that erupts from his mouth. But surprisingly,
:23:03. > :23:07.it's not a highly volatile fuel that he uses. If you were to use a
:23:08. > :23:10.volatile fuel like alcohol, there would be a danger that the flame you
:23:11. > :23:14.produce could jump back to your mouth and set the rest of the fuel
:23:15. > :23:19.in your mouth on fire, which is a bad idea. So we use a tiny amount, a
:23:20. > :23:24.teaspoon of low volatile fuel, but we mix it efficiently with the air.
:23:25. > :23:34.The secret to this is all in the art of spitting. You practise firstly
:23:35. > :23:39.with water. You split the water into a vapour. It is how all fire
:23:40. > :23:43.breather is start off. All the fuel has dribbled down your face. You
:23:44. > :23:47.were also leaning over the flame, so that would have gone straight onto
:23:48. > :23:52.your moustache and your hair. I had better leave this highly dangerous
:23:53. > :23:57.stunt to the professional. Tim sprays the fine fuel missed over the
:23:58. > :24:01.torch. The finer the spray, the greater the surface area of the fuel
:24:02. > :24:06.droplets that are available for the oxygen to react to it. He stays
:24:07. > :24:11.below the flame, while also thrusting forward, creating a huge
:24:12. > :24:15.travelling ball of fire. Having learnt the scientific tricks of the
:24:16. > :24:20.fire breathing trade, I am, if anything, even more impressed by
:24:21. > :24:25.their skills and by the flame that they manipulate.
:24:26. > :24:30.Now, Tim is here from that film, because we are going to do some more
:24:31. > :24:34.fire experiments. I'm going to gently say, be careful when try this
:24:35. > :24:40.at home, because you will want to try it. It is unbelievable. We have
:24:41. > :24:44.all household stuff here, candles and glasses and water. We are going
:24:45. > :24:49.to show you a few experiments using fire, but on a smaller scale than
:24:50. > :24:53.fire eating. This one is called the seesaw candle. This might take a
:24:54. > :24:59.minute to get going. So just a normal candle, two pint glasses and
:25:00. > :25:04.a nail through the middle. We will come back to that. It will get more
:25:05. > :25:15.impressive. It looks beautiful for a dinner party as it is. We have to
:25:16. > :25:19.show you Dave, are very fit far man. If anything happens, you are in safe
:25:20. > :25:25.hands. -- our fit Fahrmann. Twitter is going to be more light tonight
:25:26. > :25:32.than it was last night. He has a hen do to go to have to woods.
:25:33. > :25:40.Congratulations to Dave, new grandchild born today. So, the thing
:25:41. > :25:44.about fire is that things do not burn when they are solid. Things
:25:45. > :25:48.have to vaporise or turn into a gas before they burn. So watch this, we
:25:49. > :25:58.blow out the candle, and the flame jumps from the top right down. We
:25:59. > :26:03.have a slow-mo of this as well. So you are literally just relighting
:26:04. > :26:09.the smoke? That's right. In fact, the smoke is vaporised candle wax.
:26:10. > :26:13.So that stream is vaporised candle wax, so you just bring the flame
:26:14. > :26:31.close to it. That is a good magic trick. Wow. The seesaw is in full
:26:32. > :26:36.flow now. This is a property of fire that we use in fire eating. The heat
:26:37. > :26:40.always goes upwards, so the top of the flame is the Hobbit and
:26:41. > :26:43.underneath, it is quite cool. So when we liked this, as the candle
:26:44. > :26:47.tips over, there is lots of the candle above the flame, so that
:26:48. > :26:51.burns and melts quickly and it all drips off. When that happens, the
:26:52. > :26:55.other side is heavier, so it tips over and the same thing happens on
:26:56. > :26:59.the other side. Sometimes it rolls all the way over when it gets going.
:27:00. > :27:06.And it will keep going until the candle runs out. Now, this last one
:27:07. > :27:13.shows two properties of fire. This is just a bit of water with a bit of
:27:14. > :27:17.colouring so that we can see, candle and a glass. The important for a
:27:18. > :27:22.flame are oxygen and a fuel. That is what fire is, a chemical reaction
:27:23. > :27:26.with those two combining. So when we put the glass over the top deck
:27:27. > :27:30.this, there is only a certain amount of oxygen inside and that is getting
:27:31. > :27:34.used up. So you watch the flames start to die down and then goes out.
:27:35. > :27:40.So it has used up the oxygen and that has filled with warm air and as
:27:41. > :27:46.the warm air cools down, it contracts and sucks up the water.
:27:47. > :27:53.Simple, but effective. That was amazing, thank you so much. I think
:27:54. > :27:59.Dave should come home with me,, because I want to try all of these.
:28:00. > :28:03.Just for the fire. Earlier, we asked for stuff you have been making with
:28:04. > :28:07.your grandparents today or in the past week. We have some lovely
:28:08. > :28:15.pictures. Robert made this goblin with his granny today. There is
:28:16. > :28:20.Bradley Wiggins. This is Paul, with grandad Burton, who in 1961 built
:28:21. > :28:27.this lambert a scooter together. This has come in from Liz, from
:28:28. > :28:36.Wimbledon. That is a nice picture from 1960. Any time for any more?
:28:37. > :28:43.This is grandad Ian and Ethan on fixing the light switch in
:28:44. > :28:47.Ashton-under-Lyne. That is all for this evening. A big thank you to
:28:48. > :28:51.Chris for your company. All the best with the books. The first two books
:28:52. > :28:55.in the flying for this series were released today. Tomorrow, we are
:28:56. > :28:57.joined by Rob Brydon and another sir, Sir Kenneth Branagh. See you
:28:58. > :29:02.then. And Dermot is here. Bye.