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:00:17. > :00:23.Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones.

:00:24. > :00:32.Tonight's guest is many things. He's a journalist. And historian. An

:00:33. > :00:35.author. And Britain's for most impersonator of British prime

:00:36. > :00:40.ministers. Personally, I'm a great believer in bed. Wretchedness and

:00:41. > :00:44.human degradation will be as remote to people of this country as the

:00:45. > :00:48.wolves which once infested its forests. I think Blair could one day

:00:49. > :00:58.be leader of the Labour Party, after me. Please welcome, Andrew Marr.

:00:59. > :01:02.Brilliant. Last night we were talking about art and tonight we are

:01:03. > :01:09.talking about impressions. You did your impression to Ed Miliband of

:01:10. > :01:12.Gordon Brown. I did and I don't think he was impressed. I had the

:01:13. > :01:17.producer in my ear telling me to stop it. I had to finish the

:01:18. > :01:20.sentence. Afterwards Ed said he thought it was a good impersonation

:01:21. > :01:26.but he looked like I had slapped him across the face with a wet fish. The

:01:27. > :01:31.Welsh accident was OK with Lloyd George. The Welsh starts to go into

:01:32. > :01:37.Pakistan in sometimes. I didn't want to say it but a little bit. We think

:01:38. > :01:39.you have a good career as an impersonator so we have Alistair

:01:40. > :01:44.McGowan to give you a nudge in the right direction. They have had a

:01:45. > :01:50.masterclass. Yes, we have had a masterclass. How was Alistair? I

:01:51. > :01:54.reckon he has quite a bit of talent but will he make it through Mike

:01:55. > :01:59.strenuous Boot Camp? We will have to wait and see. What do you reckon?

:02:00. > :02:04.Absolutely, 100%, yes. APPLAUSE

:02:05. > :02:12.Very good. We will have the results later. That's why I don't have a

:02:13. > :02:14.career. Also tonight, as our swallows fly south we have a

:02:15. > :02:17.beautiful film from the Norfolk Broads where one family have set up

:02:18. > :02:23.home on a motor cruiser. That is glorious. Lovely footage. But first,

:02:24. > :02:27.if Alan Henning could have witnessed the vigil held for him in Bolton

:02:28. > :02:30.this timeous night he would have heard glowing tributes from his

:02:31. > :02:34.friends and colleagues. The aid worker and taxi driver is still

:02:35. > :02:38.being held by militants and as MPs prepared to debate military action

:02:39. > :02:41.tomorrow those closest to him came together in a show of solidarity,

:02:42. > :02:48.support and hope. Trish Adudu was there.

:02:49. > :02:52.Cab driver Colin Morris has known Alan Henning for nearly 18 years.

:02:53. > :02:59.They used to work for the same taxi firm in Salford. Me and Alan both

:03:00. > :03:04.used to do the dawn shift. We became good work mates. He was a bit

:03:05. > :03:08.quirky. They called him Gadget and he had trouble remembering his jobs

:03:09. > :03:11.on the radio so he would have a dictaphone and speak into it so when

:03:12. > :03:16.he went to the next job he could bring it up and do it. He had a

:03:17. > :03:22.little night Rider light on the front of his car. When you see the

:03:23. > :03:26.images in the news of Alan being held captive how does it make you

:03:27. > :03:30.feel? I saw him on the television and I thought I had been hit in the

:03:31. > :03:34.face with a spade. It is someone that you know and suddenly it

:03:35. > :03:39.becomes real. It is not the television any more, it is real.

:03:40. > :03:45.Alan has spent the last 273 days as a hostage, held by the extremist

:03:46. > :03:52.group Islamic State. This was Alan on Christmas Day last year, the day

:03:53. > :03:56.before he was abducted. I think more people should show a bit more

:03:57. > :04:02.charity. This way at least you see where it is going, to the right

:04:03. > :04:05.people. Last year Alan felt he should be doing more than just

:04:06. > :04:11.giving money to help the people of Syria. So he joined a convoy taking

:04:12. > :04:20.food, water and medical supplies from Britain. Seeing what they need

:04:21. > :04:25.actually get to where it needs to go. Within half an hour of crossing

:04:26. > :04:29.from Turkey into Syria massed gunmen demanded the passports of everyone

:04:30. > :04:37.in the convoy. They accused Allen of being a spy and took him away. --

:04:38. > :04:44.masked gunmen. Today people are gathering here at this vigil to pray

:04:45. > :04:48.for Alan's early release and his safe return, as well as celebrate

:04:49. > :04:54.his humanitarian efforts to help the people in Syria. This woman joined

:04:55. > :05:00.Alan on an earlier aid convoy to Syria last August. I'm really hoping

:05:01. > :05:06.and praying, as a Muslim myself and the people who have got Gadget, and

:05:07. > :05:09.are Muslims themselves, will open their heart to see what kind of man

:05:10. > :05:12.they really have in their company and that they are blessed to have

:05:13. > :05:17.him in their company and that they will release him soon to his family.

:05:18. > :05:22.Because, he really doesn't deserve to be treated in the manner that he

:05:23. > :05:27.is. So what sort of man is he? Although he was this kind of

:05:28. > :05:32.comedian actor Gadget, he was a man with a big heart and he spoke about

:05:33. > :05:35.his family and children a lot on our journey. He is very much a family

:05:36. > :05:42.man so helping the people of Syria came naturally to him. I think the

:05:43. > :05:46.vigil is a perfect example of something Gadget would do. Had it

:05:47. > :05:51.been any of us. More than 100 people have come to the vigil here in

:05:52. > :05:56.Bolton today. I've come here to show my support, and hopefully the people

:05:57. > :05:59.in Syria will listen and release him, that's all we are hoping. What

:06:00. > :06:05.is going through your mind at the moment? Just get Alan home safely,

:06:06. > :06:11.that's all I want. Just for his wife and family. And for his friends and

:06:12. > :06:16.whatever, just get him home safely, please. The vigil is an interfaith

:06:17. > :06:21.event with people from the Christian, Hindu and Muslim

:06:22. > :06:26.communities all playing together for Alan. -- praying. He would want to

:06:27. > :06:30.learn about different religions and he would ask about our faith and we

:06:31. > :06:34.would say why not convert to Islam? You know so much about it. He would

:06:35. > :06:39.say that you pray five times a day and I have too many other things to

:06:40. > :06:44.do, like saving the world, like Gadget does, and that's the

:06:45. > :06:49.character he is. Alan's family has sent messages to be read out at the

:06:50. > :06:53.vigil. I ask you all to pray for Alan and all the other people

:06:54. > :06:58.imprisoned worldwide. And on Monday, his wife issued an open appeal to

:06:59. > :07:02.Alan's captors, asking them to free her husband and abide by the ruling

:07:03. > :07:08.of their own chariot courts, which have apparently cleared him of any

:07:09. > :07:14.involvement in spying. -- sharia courts. I wasn't sure what it would

:07:15. > :07:18.be like but I was moved today. Especially to hear the true face of

:07:19. > :07:22.Islam today, a peaceful religion and not what we see in the Middle East.

:07:23. > :07:25.Sitting individual and seeing images of him on the screen and hearing

:07:26. > :07:29.people talk about him, what was going through your mind? Obviously

:07:30. > :07:33.your mind skips back to when I did work with him and the nights I spent

:07:34. > :07:42.in the office talking to him. Those things come to your mind, but mainly

:07:43. > :07:48.just want him home. Our thoughts are with the Henning family. We hope for

:07:49. > :07:51.Alan's safe return. Andrew, you know the Prime Minister very well. You

:07:52. > :07:56.have spoken to him many times. There is room is that other countries have

:07:57. > :07:59.been paying up to free their people. How much do you think the Prime

:08:00. > :08:03.Minister will be struggling with the fact that not paying up good effect

:08:04. > :08:06.cost lives? This is one of the worst thing is a Prime Minister has to

:08:07. > :08:10.deal with. The Prime Minister has to deal with lots of tough stuff but

:08:11. > :08:15.this is personal and I'm sure David Cameron is sick to his stomach, and

:08:16. > :08:19.losing sleep, at least I hope he is. There is no harder decision. The

:08:20. > :08:23.French paid up again and again and other European countries have paid

:08:24. > :08:24.up and by paying up have strengthened this horrible

:08:25. > :08:29.organisation and allowed them to kill more people, of course. A

:08:30. > :08:33.Frenchman has just died in North Africa when the French did not pay

:08:34. > :08:37.up. So we all know this. The Prime Minister knows the right thing to do

:08:38. > :08:41.and I'm sure he is clear about that but nonetheless he must be

:08:42. > :08:46.absolutely sick. It is ghastly and horrible situation. We are now going

:08:47. > :08:50.to talk about your book and Andrew's first novel is a political

:08:51. > :08:55.satire in which some very dodgy dealings go on behind the door of No

:08:56. > :08:58.10. But he isn't the first fiction writer to poke fun at the office of

:08:59. > :09:02.Prime Minister. Here is Gyles remembering some of the leaders that

:09:03. > :09:08.have been depicted on TV and film. He met them all, you know.

:09:09. > :09:13.I have interviewed many prime ministers during my career, I can

:09:14. > :09:18.tell you. Heath, Thatcher, Blair. But there is a handful that stands

:09:19. > :09:24.out from the crowd. James Hacker. He had many a good idea, but when you

:09:25. > :09:27.look at his story you can't help feeling there was something holding

:09:28. > :09:35.him back. So far my premiership has been a great test. -- success.

:09:36. > :09:39.Indeed. And I was asking myself what I could do to continue this run of

:09:40. > :09:45.success. Have you considered inactivity? Hacker never seems to be

:09:46. > :09:48.able to get the mandarins to do what he wanted. Sir Humphrey was a prime

:09:49. > :09:56.example of a cabinet secretary who knew exactly how to pull the strings

:09:57. > :10:00.of power. And Ross Prichard, a woman, who rose from stacking

:10:01. > :10:05.shelves as a supermarket manager to making speeches at the dispatch box.

:10:06. > :10:08.Her tale is of a Prime Minister who surprised us all with some pretty

:10:09. > :10:12.left-field ideas. It doesn't surprise me in the least that the

:10:13. > :10:17.right honourable member 's opposite cannot stand the idea of having

:10:18. > :10:23.their lives dictated to them from somewhere like West Yorkshire. Well,

:10:24. > :10:28.get used to it. Some of us have had our lives dictated to us from London

:10:29. > :10:30.for far too long! A show of defiance from the establishment of the

:10:31. > :10:36.relocation of Parliament made our only other iron Lady luck like a

:10:37. > :10:40.fluffy bunny. The lady is not the turning. And then we had a man more

:10:41. > :10:44.into love than power, the most romantic Prime Minister of them

:10:45. > :10:48.all, David. What a performance he gave trying to juggle running the

:10:49. > :10:52.country along with his relationship with Natalie. It was the perfect

:10:53. > :10:57.portrayal of managing a very tricky political situation. And since

:10:58. > :11:03.bullies only respond to strength, from now on would I will be prepared

:11:04. > :11:07.to be much stronger. And the President should be prepared for

:11:08. > :11:11.that. It was the strength he displayed in another special

:11:12. > :11:16.relationship with the USA that won him the respect and admiration of

:11:17. > :11:21.his audience. A prime and I recall, who was much harder to love, was

:11:22. > :11:25.Francis Urquhart, a dramatic manipulative politician if ever

:11:26. > :11:31.there was one, someone I definitely would not want to be up on a roof

:11:32. > :11:41.with. It gives me such pain to say this, but I don't believe you. I

:11:42. > :11:45.don't believe I can trust you. Francis Urquhart was the depiction

:11:46. > :11:49.of ruthlessness. There we are, possibly not the prime ministers you

:11:50. > :11:51.thought I would be talking about, but a more entertaining bunch than

:11:52. > :11:56.some we have had, and something for my memoirs. I bet that never happens

:11:57. > :12:02.to Andrew Marr! LAUGHTER

:12:03. > :12:09.You have got to love Hugh Grant in Love actually as Prime Minister. Do

:12:10. > :12:13.you? I suppose so, it's a little bit sugary for me. Come on! At this time

:12:14. > :12:18.of year. You haven't seen it, you have to watch it. It is

:12:19. > :12:22.heart-warming stuff. Some of us have chilly hearts. Andrew, you have

:12:23. > :12:28.written several historical and factual books but this is the first

:12:29. > :12:34.foray into the world of novels. It is set in the future. Just a couple

:12:35. > :12:37.of years ahead, a referendum and the entire political elite is in panic

:12:38. > :12:41.about the outcome of a referendum we know could never happen, but it's a

:12:42. > :12:44.European referendum and not a Scottish referendum and there are

:12:45. > :12:50.all sorts of shenanigans around the Prime Minister. I think of him as a

:12:51. > :12:53.Tory Jim Callaghan, a little bit more experienced and dare I say it a

:12:54. > :12:58.little wiser than some of the politicians we have at the top at

:12:59. > :13:02.the moment, a hero but bad things happen to him. It is full of

:13:03. > :13:07.conspiracy theories. There are some secret organisations in there that

:13:08. > :13:10.sort of exist. You talk about these tunnels under Downing Street. How

:13:11. > :13:14.much truth is in this book and what do you know? I was amused that some

:13:15. > :13:18.critics said this was impossible and this could not happen. There is an

:13:19. > :13:21.organisation composed largely of ex-MI6 officers and someone who

:13:22. > :13:26.helped private industry, just as my organisation does. I met its

:13:27. > :13:30.managing director for breakfast a couple of days ago, it exists, it is

:13:31. > :13:35.not a figment of my imagination. There is a complicated financial lot

:13:36. > :13:39.in this way people try to short not one company or another but the

:13:40. > :13:42.entire country without going to jail and they find a way to do it and

:13:43. > :13:47.that is entirely possible and legal. There is a loophole in British law

:13:48. > :13:51.and I know that after talking to the lawyers of big banks. The tunnels

:13:52. > :13:55.under No 10, some of them exist. There is a tunnel underneath

:13:56. > :13:58.Whitehall and under the Ministry of Defence connecting to the House of

:13:59. > :14:00.Commons and the House of Lords. There are tunnels underneath

:14:01. > :14:04.Buckingham Palace and Clarence House. Whether they connect

:14:05. > :14:08.underneath St James' Park, as happens in my novel, I don't know.

:14:09. > :14:13.Did you go down into these tunnels question mark know that I have

:14:14. > :14:17.happened described to me very vividly. Everything else in No 10

:14:18. > :14:21.I've been to, the layout in the kitchen and the prime Mr's quarters

:14:22. > :14:27.are accurate. There are various places bodies are dragged around,

:14:28. > :14:32.and again it is accurate, architecturally accurate. There are

:14:33. > :14:37.real people mentioned. Rory Bremner. There are three categories

:14:38. > :14:40.of people. There are characters based on people I know, or mash ups

:14:41. > :14:45.of people I know, I have to be careful because some of them are

:14:46. > :14:48.awful and I would not want to be sued. Then there are people who are

:14:49. > :14:53.clearly real people and it doesn't matter because they are heroes all

:14:54. > :14:56.good guys. And then there is Dominic Sandbrook and then there is a few

:14:57. > :15:00.people. Dominic Sandbrook is a historian who wrote a nastier review

:15:01. > :15:06.of one of my books. LAUGHTER

:15:07. > :15:09.I'm not a vengeful man. Really, Andrew? It was so preposterous that

:15:10. > :15:13.I thought I'm going to get you for that Dominic Sandbrook and I have

:15:14. > :15:21.done but I won't give it all away. As he reviewed this book? I'm very

:15:22. > :15:28.glad you called him Daniel. He will be very angry. Sorry, Dominic. This

:15:29. > :15:32.review has had some of the best -- book has had some of the best

:15:33. > :15:35.reviews in my life and some of the West. If Dominic Sandbrook reviews

:15:36. > :15:40.it in the same way as everyone else he has his job cut out. How have you

:15:41. > :15:46.cope with those bad reviews? It is hard. It is more personal with it

:15:47. > :15:49.being a novel than a factual book. Absolutely and I get slightly

:15:50. > :15:53.deflated by the bad ones and inflated by the good ones so it is

:15:54. > :15:58.up and down. If they were all bad I would be nervous but there are some

:15:59. > :16:02.good ones. Too good and too bad so it divides people like Marmite. How

:16:03. > :16:08.can you know if it is good or bad, you have to go and buy it. Head of

:16:09. > :16:14.State, lovely black cover with a door knock on it. Irresistible.

:16:15. > :16:16.There you go. They say that one swallow doesn't make a summer so

:16:17. > :16:22.it's a good job that thousands of them arrive every spring here. You

:16:23. > :16:26.will see large groups of them around perched on telephone lines preparing

:16:27. > :16:29.to fly across the Sahara to winter in South Africa. Mike Dilger has

:16:30. > :16:34.found one swallow family that might be happier booking a cruise.

:16:35. > :16:42.The Norfolk Broads are one of the UK's most important wetlands and

:16:43. > :16:45.other setting of some of the voting adventures in the swallows and

:16:46. > :16:48.Amazons books by Arthur Ransome. But 80 years after those books were

:16:49. > :16:55.published, I have come to find some real-life swallows who are doing a

:16:56. > :17:00.bit of voting of their own. The lady and is a traditional wooden broad

:17:01. > :17:06.both. It is used as a tour boat, taking visitors to spot wildlife in

:17:07. > :17:08.these magical waterways. But for the last couple of summers, people have

:17:09. > :17:12.not just been watching wildlife from the boat, they have been watching

:17:13. > :17:19.wildlife on the boat. A family of swallows have taken up residence on

:17:20. > :17:22.board. If you put your head around the corner and look through this

:17:23. > :17:29.gap, you can see the nest. It is a mud nest, stuck to the wall. I

:17:30. > :17:39.concede weeks poking out. Can I look round the side? -- you can see beaks

:17:40. > :17:42.poking out. Fabulous, three chicks. I worried like anything about having

:17:43. > :17:47.them nesting on board. I thought this was not a wise place for them

:17:48. > :17:51.to be. As it turns out, they knew best. Last year, we had two broods

:17:52. > :17:57.successfully raised from that nest, and despair of swallows came along

:17:58. > :18:01.in the third week of May. -- this pair of swallows. I have just heard

:18:02. > :18:07.a buzz, which means one of the adults must have with straight in. A

:18:08. > :18:10.swallow uses its tail as a weather, moving it up, down and side to side

:18:11. > :18:14.to allow the bird to make precision movements in the air -- it uses its

:18:15. > :18:19.tail as a rudder. You might think that having nesting birds on board

:18:20. > :18:23.would be bad for business, and the Lady Ann would have to be moored

:18:24. > :18:27.until the chicks fledged. But these parents go where the nest goes.

:18:28. > :18:37.Swallows are fast flyers, capable of flapping their wings 14 times a

:18:38. > :18:42.second in both speed. Look at that. 400 metres away from where you more

:18:43. > :18:47.the boat, the birds are whizzing around, feeding and popping straight

:18:48. > :18:49.into the nest. Amazing. Their streamlined body shape and wings

:18:50. > :18:58.make them very efficient flying machines. Looping around the back of

:18:59. > :19:03.the boat. It is a perfect habitat when you think about it. All manner

:19:04. > :19:09.of aquatic insects emerge. There is so much food for them. A swallow

:19:10. > :19:15.chick's weight will increase tenfold in the first days of its life. The

:19:16. > :19:18.parents will catch around 6000 insects, who bring them out of the

:19:19. > :19:23.sky to feed their chicks in just one day. They are like our own bird

:19:24. > :19:27.protection Society, but instead of us protecting the birds, the birds

:19:28. > :19:31.are protecting us from the biting insects. It is a win-win situation.

:19:32. > :19:36.Midges and horse flies, beware. Keeping track of the boat is quite a

:19:37. > :19:42.feat, then these birds are built to travel. This is a species that has

:19:43. > :19:46.fabulous eyesight. They use visual markers to go all the way from South

:19:47. > :19:51.Africa to the UK commerce so suppose finding your boat is no problem. At

:19:52. > :19:54.first, you think, how do they put up with this moving target? But as you

:19:55. > :20:00.have said, they can manage coming from Africa, so they are capable of

:20:01. > :20:06.finding me, whether I am a mile that way or a more the other way. They

:20:07. > :20:16.are cool with it. Wonderful. Here they come. It is a mobile home. On

:20:17. > :20:22.the swallows do benefit from life on a houseboat. They are constantly

:20:23. > :20:26.working different areas and resources that are full of insects,

:20:27. > :20:30.and you are a protector as well. I am. Any predators come near this

:20:31. > :20:37.boat during the daytime, uncle Ross will sort them out. Ross's

:20:38. > :20:43.hitchhikers are a hit with the tourists as well. These are wildlife

:20:44. > :20:46.tours with a twist. I have seen some birds nesting in wacky places, but

:20:47. > :20:50.this location has to take the biscuit. They should change the name

:20:51. > :20:58.of this boat from the lady Ann to the swallow of the Norfolk Broads.

:20:59. > :21:06.From the Norfolk Broads to the north-east. This is a cardboard box

:21:07. > :21:09.that was in our band, and there they are. That was taken a couple of

:21:10. > :21:16.weeks ago -- in our band. Your mum sent back in. What would Mike Dilger

:21:17. > :21:26.said that? They are beauties, aren't they? Really amazing birds. They

:21:27. > :21:29.really are lovely. That is uncanny! Well, Andrew, Alistair is back on

:21:30. > :21:33.the sofa. We will hear some impressions from you now, following

:21:34. > :21:42.your brilliant Gordon Brown one. It is time for... Andrew Marr, the man

:21:43. > :21:51.of a thousand voices. We have set the bar high. How did it go? It is a

:21:52. > :22:00.very difficult thing to teach. Andrew has made improvements

:22:01. > :22:04.already. Good luck. So Andrew is going to do three voices and you

:22:05. > :22:08.have to guess what each one is. I have chosen a line from a Noel

:22:09. > :22:12.Coward song, bad times around the corner, so it does not give anything

:22:13. > :22:17.away. We have made it harder for you. This is the first voice you

:22:18. > :22:24.have to guess. There are bad times just around the corner. There are

:22:25. > :22:36.dark louts hurtling through the sky. -- dark clouds. Is it William Hague?

:22:37. > :22:46.It was! It was the tempo that gave it away. We worked on the tempo and

:22:47. > :22:52.the accent. We have not got a lot of time. Here is your second one. It is

:22:53. > :23:02.no good whining about a silver line. We know from experience. It

:23:03. > :23:21.could be Prince Charles or Boris? Or anybody. Dominic Sandbrook? Wasn't

:23:22. > :23:35.Prince Charles? It was. We will keep our voice down. That is Boris! What?

:23:36. > :23:41.The Mayor of London. That was the best one. Andrew, we have spoken

:23:42. > :23:46.previously about how drawing and painting have helped you cover from

:23:47. > :23:49.yours truly. Carrie Grant has spoken to a musician with a very similar

:23:50. > :23:56.story, but she has never met a man like him before.

:23:57. > :24:01.Sometimes a hit record takes on a life of its own, and the song

:24:02. > :24:05.becomes a far more famous theme than the singer himself.

:24:06. > :24:10.# Never known a girl like you before. Many have mistaken the voice

:24:11. > :24:17.on a girl like you for Bowie or Iggy pop, but its composer and singer

:24:18. > :24:21.Edwyn Collins just takes that as a compliment. The song he wrote 20

:24:22. > :24:24.years ago has helped him turn his life around not once, but twice, and

:24:25. > :24:30.the girl he was with when he wrote it is still very much by his side.

:24:31. > :24:33.In 2005, nearly a decade after he wrote the song, Edwyn suffered a

:24:34. > :24:40.devastating stroke, leaving him unable to walk, talk or read. His

:24:41. > :24:46.wife and manager, Grace, has been with him as he led the do it all

:24:47. > :24:51.over again. -- he learned to do it all over again. I was terrified that

:24:52. > :25:02.I was in dos Edwyn. I was hoping against hope that that would not

:25:03. > :25:13.happen --. I would lose Edwyn. My pupils were not dilating. But thanks

:25:14. > :25:22.to the intervention and the decision to operate on Edwyn, here's here. --

:25:23. > :25:27.he is here. It is testament to why it is a good idea to give something

:25:28. > :25:31.a chance, because it was the most remarkable fightback. Amazing. At

:25:32. > :25:35.the time, it looked like the end of Edwyn's long musical career, which

:25:36. > :25:43.started in the early 80s with Glasgow band Orange juice. After the

:25:44. > :25:48.band split, Edwyn worked as a solo artist and producer, building his

:25:49. > :25:54.own studio. In 1994, he wrote A Girl Like You. Was it a love song's when

:25:55. > :26:03.you wrote the song, did you want to write a song about Grace? No, it is

:26:04. > :26:08.not about me. No. It is an imaginary girl, I suppose.

:26:09. > :26:15.# There's too many protest singers, not enough protest songs. I love

:26:16. > :26:20.that line. It is so contrary to the rest of the lyric. And it is

:26:21. > :26:29.suddenly stuck in there. I am making a statement, making an attitude and

:26:30. > :26:32.making a point. It was a time in his life when he felt he had something

:26:33. > :26:36.to say about the music business and what people's attitudes were. He

:26:37. > :26:43.liked to mess with people's minds. Did I? Part of the appeal of the

:26:44. > :26:49.song is its distinctive, dirty sound, created with the very best of

:26:50. > :26:53.old and new technology. This little orange box from the 1960s made all

:26:54. > :27:13.the difference. Without it, it would sound like this. And with it...

:27:14. > :27:18.Yeah, that is dirty. # I've never met a girl like you

:27:19. > :27:24.before. A Girl Like You was a hit right across the world, selling more

:27:25. > :27:28.than 5 million copies on the way, a phenomenal success they have had to

:27:29. > :27:32.lean on heavily to fund Edwyn's recovery. How important was it for

:27:33. > :27:48.you to be able to sing again? Very important. Grace told me to get on

:27:49. > :27:56.with things, my singing. She harassed me. Over and over again,

:27:57. > :28:01.practice. # I've never met a girl like you

:28:02. > :28:08.before. It was not a gift, it was hard work.

:28:09. > :28:15.Why do you think A Girl Like You was such a big hit? It is catchy. It is

:28:16. > :28:23.more famous than you, don't you think? , and, Grace. Sorry, Edwyn

:28:24. > :28:26.full of -- come on, Grace. Thanks to Edwyn and his wife.

:28:27. > :28:31.Andrew, you empathise. That is really moving. A beautiful bit of

:28:32. > :28:36.film, and the fact that he is carrying on and still going

:28:37. > :28:39.forward. I was lucky that I did not lose my voice, but for a singer to

:28:40. > :28:44.be in that position and come back is astonishing. That is when you see

:28:45. > :28:49.what people are really like. What a night we have had. It is all we have

:28:50. > :28:54.time for. Andrew's new book Head Of State is out now. Alistair, thank

:28:55. > :28:57.you. I will be watching Andrew's develop that as an impressionist

:28:58. > :29:01.within the restful but tomorrow, join me and Chris and Danny Baker.

:29:02. > :29:03.See you then.