:00:31. > :00:36.Goodness me! Look at that. Hello and welcome to The One Show. More
:00:37. > :00:39.Northern Soul dancing later, when we'll be talking to Lisa Stansfield,
:00:40. > :00:46.who will be explaining why the Northern Soul movement is the
:00:47. > :00:50.subject of a new film. Hence why we are dressed like this. But now two
:00:51. > :00:56.guests whose recent projects have taken them all around the world and
:00:57. > :01:00.they're also huge cat lovers. One has roamed the plains of Africa with
:01:01. > :01:06.the king of the jungle. The other roams his living room. With the
:01:07. > :01:15.Queen of the sofa. It's Martin Clunes and Dermot O'Leary! First off
:01:16. > :01:26.- he's a pretty ferocious looking creature. Where did you find him
:01:27. > :01:32.Dermot?! We've got two. My wife delivered them. They were stray cats
:01:33. > :01:43.hanging around when we were on holidays. She must have tiny hands.
:01:44. > :01:50.She had four kittens. How did you get them back over here? Oh, man.
:01:51. > :01:54.You would not believe it. The Italian cat immigration system has a
:01:55. > :02:01.lot to answer for. Is that the boy or girl? That is the little fellow.
:02:02. > :02:06.They are coming up to a year old. We brought them back and went through
:02:07. > :02:11.quarantine. The first time we took them to the vet. The Italians are
:02:12. > :02:18.terrific. They were giving them injections and everything. The first
:02:19. > :02:23.time we took them to the vet we were told they had not nearly enough
:02:24. > :02:28.injections to be in the country. It is turning into animal hospital
:02:29. > :02:31.this! We can't get enough of animals tonight, because George McGavin is
:02:32. > :02:34.also here to tell us how he travelled the planet for some
:02:35. > :02:38.amazing adventures with apes. In the papers today its been revealed that
:02:39. > :02:47.drones are being used in the fight to stop elephants being poached for
:02:48. > :02:51.their ivory in Kenya. Watch it happen to the ivory already in the
:02:52. > :02:56.UK? The ivory trade, now internationally
:02:57. > :03:00.condemned and illegal since 1989. In the UK you cannot buy anything made
:03:01. > :03:08.from ivory unless it can be proved it was produced before 1947 -- 1987
:03:09. > :03:13.hurricane it is estimated more than 40,000 elephants are killed every
:03:14. > :03:17.year just for their tusks. That is the equivalent of one death every 15
:03:18. > :03:22.minutes. I have made no secret of the fact that I find the ivory trade
:03:23. > :03:28.is difficult to defend. But whether pieces like this should be consigned
:03:29. > :03:33.to dust, I am not so sure. It was recently reported that the Duke of
:03:34. > :03:37.Cambridge supported the destruction of the Royal library collection. As
:03:38. > :03:40.a result, members of the public started sending their ivory to the
:03:41. > :03:45.Born Free Foundation to be destroyed, too. We have got some of
:03:46. > :03:51.it here. We are going to see it get trodden -- crushed. While ivory is
:03:52. > :03:58.traded, could put a price on the head of every elephant. Elephants
:03:59. > :04:02.will continue to die. But art experts and antiques dealers are
:04:03. > :04:08.horrified. David Harper has been buying and selling ivory for 25
:04:09. > :04:14.years. We want to stop elephant poaching. But that is a piece of
:04:15. > :04:21.art. And the destruction of art for any reason is bonkers beyond belief.
:04:22. > :04:24.The African elephant may not have long. Some experts believe it may
:04:25. > :04:28.become extinct in just over a decade. But Wood destroying existing
:04:29. > :04:33.ivory collections make any difference? We have brought both
:04:34. > :04:39.parties together to debate the point. Selling this continues to
:04:40. > :04:42.perpetuate the idea that ivory is desirable. That demand will
:04:43. > :04:48.inevitably be met by elephants being poached in Africa. I am sorry to
:04:49. > :04:52.interrupt. But a very big Chinese client of mine said to me, after I
:04:53. > :04:56.discussed selling the Royal collection, if they destroy their
:04:57. > :05:03.collection, in his collection will double in value. It is the Chinese
:05:04. > :05:07.market. It is not us. They do not yet get the message. I say we take
:05:08. > :05:11.the millions of pieces of illegal ivory and we swamped the Chinese
:05:12. > :05:17.market. You have got to hit them where it hurts. In the pocket. The
:05:18. > :05:21.problem with this is it will further stimulate demand into a market we
:05:22. > :05:27.don't know, understand or control. There is some value. The Chinese
:05:28. > :05:31.puzzle board is a piece of art. Most people would think destroying that
:05:32. > :05:36.piece of art that took weeks or months to create, would be obscene.
:05:37. > :05:44.You say destroying it would be obscene, and I say it is obscene. It
:05:45. > :05:48.is from an elephant. Some of these examples are elegant and beautiful.
:05:49. > :05:53.I am an two minds about them being crushed. I have brought if you
:05:54. > :05:58.pieces to this car-boot sale to see what other people think. I can see
:05:59. > :06:03.the beauty but I prefer to see the ivory on an elephant. If I tell you
:06:04. > :06:09.this is going to be destroyed later on today, do you think that is a
:06:10. > :06:14.waste? Yes, I do. It is there now, what is the point of destroying it?
:06:15. > :06:23.Is that for sale? It is a nice material. What do people find
:06:24. > :06:30.attractive? He likes it. I don't understand. A piece of dead wood,
:06:31. > :06:33.carved. That's interesting and bringing light to an already
:06:34. > :06:39.deceased object. This is not bringing life to anything. It is
:06:40. > :06:43.bringing distress. Back at the Born Free Foundation, it is time to start
:06:44. > :06:46.the crush. The Born Free Foundation has been given permission by the
:06:47. > :07:00.Government to begin destroying the ivory it has been given. It comes
:07:01. > :07:05.from death. It is all the negative stuff. Who wants death around their
:07:06. > :07:08.house, however beautifully it is carved? Frankly I would rather have
:07:09. > :07:14.a live elephant than a dead ornament. Every 15 minutes and
:07:15. > :07:20.elephant is killed forests tusks to turn into trinkets. What is the
:07:21. > :07:28.point? Well, that is most of the ivory crushed. How do you feel? I'm
:07:29. > :07:34.genuinely sad. Sad that we have thrown several hundreds of pounds
:07:35. > :07:39.down the drain. I am pleased. It sends a very powerful and important
:07:40. > :07:50.message. I don't think I will get you to agree. We definitely want to
:07:51. > :07:58.save elements. -- elephants. The issue has highlighted an interesting
:07:59. > :08:11.moral dilemma. Would destroying all ivory antiques help save the
:08:12. > :08:21.elephant? You can text. If you think destroying all ivory antiques would
:08:22. > :08:25.save the elephant, text yes. You will be charged at your standard
:08:26. > :08:30.message read. If you have any comments, e-mail them to the usual
:08:31. > :08:36.address. Martin, where do you stand on this? I am a patron of the Born
:08:37. > :08:42.Free Foundation and will Travers is my boss. I am also led by people who
:08:43. > :08:45.know more than I do. But the gentleman was saying he was saddened
:08:46. > :08:50.that the destruction of that because it was a piece of art. Which it is.
:08:51. > :08:52.But there is no danger of us running out of pieces of art. There is a
:08:53. > :08:59.real danger of running out of elephants. It is rather sick to see
:09:00. > :09:03.elephants carved out of ivory. It is a tremendous idea because it may
:09:04. > :09:09.destroy the market. It would certainly send out a fantastic
:09:10. > :09:13.message. When I was in Africa making our Mugie film, we filmed an
:09:14. > :09:22.elephant that have been poached. It was about eight or nine years old.
:09:23. > :09:28.It had been knocked -- some ivory had been taken off for a phone card.
:09:29. > :09:31.You have got young elephants who are not being taught to be elephants.
:09:32. > :09:40.They are just wandering around. The whole balance of, certainly in
:09:41. > :09:43.Kenya, has been upset. There are too many hyenas because there are too
:09:44. > :09:49.many corpses. The predators are being poisoned by the herdsman. It
:09:50. > :09:51.is all going wrong. If somebody says really loudly and clearly, does
:09:52. > :10:00.something really shocking like destroying art, it may shake things
:10:01. > :10:06.up. Prince William coming on board is about the best thing that has
:10:07. > :10:14.happened. People listen to the Royal family. Dermott, agri-? Yes, I do.
:10:15. > :10:21.Before I watched that I wasn't sure I did. But you spoke so eloquently
:10:22. > :10:25.about it. When the chap first set, destroying art. We have been brought
:10:26. > :10:29.up to think that is barbaric. Obviously destroying elephants is
:10:30. > :10:35.far more barbaric. Martin was just saying as the film was going, I was
:10:36. > :10:41.asking him what the situation was like and he said they were just
:10:42. > :10:46.running wild. Certainly in Kenya. Huge fences need to be built. That
:10:47. > :10:50.is the only way they will stay alive. You referred to your Mugie
:10:51. > :10:59.film. Let's shed a little bit on that. Mugie is a lion? Yes, Mugie is
:11:00. > :11:07.a lion. We made a film about a guy called Tony who worked with George
:11:08. > :11:14.Adamson for about 18 years. There is Mugie. He set up a camp. When I was
:11:15. > :11:17.a kid I grew up on those books. Virginia has probably heard me say
:11:18. > :11:23.this a million times but it was the first film I ever saw. I read the
:11:24. > :11:28.books. The idea that people could have a relationship with an animal
:11:29. > :11:34.has sort of coloured the rest of my life in a way. So we thought by
:11:35. > :11:39.telling the story of Tony's life, with the film of born free and the
:11:40. > :11:44.birth of animal conservation, you would sort of tell the history of
:11:45. > :11:48.conservation. It has really changed in 25 years. It is a completely
:11:49. > :11:55.different ball game. Sadly, fences have to be built. Once you get over
:11:56. > :12:00.that, you think, let's build a fence because everything inside it will be
:12:01. > :12:05.safe. You watched Mugie grow up. This is the moment you and Tony meet
:12:06. > :12:17.her for the first time. Look, he is playing hide and Seek.
:12:18. > :12:26.Look at that. He knows Jamie. Hey, Mugie. Hey, boy. He has got nice
:12:27. > :12:33.claws and teeth on him now. He does bite and scratch every now and
:12:34. > :12:39.again. He does bite and scratch but yet he puts his hand in his mouth.
:12:40. > :12:44.Very brave! It was weird seeing Tony. When Tony stopped working with
:12:45. > :12:48.George, he got thrown out of Kenya. It was such a big thing for him to
:12:49. > :13:00.be back with the lion. Did you ever see VUE chip -- the YouTube clip of
:13:01. > :13:05.Christian the lion? Yes. Those two chaps bought this lion cub and it
:13:06. > :13:09.grew. They called Bill Travers who called George Adamson, and they made
:13:10. > :13:17.it happen. Bill made this lovely film. Christian was the first lion
:13:18. > :13:26.that Tony got to work with. How does that work? With that lion then be
:13:27. > :13:29.released? The concept is to take them out and walk them and teach
:13:30. > :13:37.them how to be Lions. Teach them how to hunt. Will not be scared of
:13:38. > :13:43.humans because of the close contact? No. The worry is then not being
:13:44. > :13:47.scared of humans. You have to take them a long way from humans. But it
:13:48. > :13:53.can be done. Christian was fifth-generation born in captivity.
:13:54. > :14:00.He was a hugely successful rehab that went wild. He recognised the
:14:01. > :14:05.two guys who grew up in Chelsea. The whole model is about gene
:14:06. > :14:10.preservation. The whole idea is that tens of years from now, you change
:14:11. > :14:17.the way they breed The Animals entirely. Namely, they become scared
:14:18. > :14:20.of man again. Keep the gene pool intact and integrate. Be troubling
:14:21. > :14:33.Kenya is the human population is encroaching. But closer to home,
:14:34. > :14:38.your life is spent poser to animals. We have some lovely bits of film.
:14:39. > :14:46.Early mornings and late nights for you? I am on tonight when I go
:14:47. > :14:56.home. Are they yours? Are you a farmer? Yeah! He does a bit of
:14:57. > :15:01.everything. We have 60 of them lambing. I heard that there are only
:15:02. > :15:06.nine left. So a good lambing percentage. Do you have to go round
:15:07. > :15:15.with a pen and put the numbers on them? It is a two-man job. Hold it
:15:16. > :15:23.still and get the other one. Do you give them names sometimes, like
:15:24. > :15:29.Dave? It is so that their mums know. They look at the numbers.
:15:30. > :15:32.Anyway, you can see Martin Clunes A Lion Called Mugie next Friday, the
:15:33. > :15:36.4th of April. Now, today, Matt and I thought we
:15:37. > :15:43.might give up television for a moment and open a One Show cafe
:15:44. > :15:54.instead. So we prepare the snack. Here we go. We prepared a snack
:15:55. > :16:04.each. It is act surely a crisp sandwich. And we were hoping you
:16:05. > :16:08.would eat it. During the next film. Then you can tell us what you would
:16:09. > :16:15.be prepared to pay for the crisp sandwich by writing it on these
:16:16. > :16:18.cards. Sound all right? We are taking the concept of putting your
:16:19. > :16:25.money where your mouth is on the road.
:16:26. > :16:30.From two-for-one deals to early bird news, and eat as much as you like,
:16:31. > :16:34.restaurants are always try to tempt us in with new promotions and with
:16:35. > :16:39.good reason. They are three times more likely to fail than any other
:16:40. > :16:45.business. So for a base to survive, it it has to stand out. So how about
:16:46. > :16:52.this? A restaurant swaps a menu like this... For one like this. So what
:16:53. > :16:56.would happen if a restaurant let its customers choose what they wanted to
:16:57. > :17:01.pay? Peter was one of the pioneers of this idea in the competitive
:17:02. > :17:05.London market. His first restaurant ran the ten years on a pay what you
:17:06. > :17:11.want policy. Didn't people take advantage? A couple of years, it
:17:12. > :17:15.happened a couple of times, yes. But the majority of people paid much
:17:16. > :17:19.more than my prices. So if you had just stuck to normal prices, you
:17:20. > :17:23.would have learned less money than under a pay as you like policy?
:17:24. > :17:29.Definitely. I am taking Peter to the town house in Bristol, a restaurant
:17:30. > :17:34.facing stiff arm petition from 50 other places on the same stretch of
:17:35. > :17:37.road. For a whole be Ken, they will be conducting a radical experiment,
:17:38. > :17:41.as they are going to let their customers pay whatever they think is
:17:42. > :17:45.fair. Nick and Vanessa, you have agreed to do pay what you want for a
:17:46. > :17:48.weekend. Are you happy to be trusting your earnings to the
:17:49. > :17:53.honesty and good will of your customers? Our customers have a lot
:17:54. > :17:57.of good will. So we think it will be fine. We clearly have the usual
:17:58. > :18:03.doubts, especially at a weekend, when we will be busy. We are always
:18:04. > :18:09.try to think of different emotions and it will be a chance to get some
:18:10. > :18:14.good feed act. It is a risk, but we are happy that our customers will
:18:15. > :18:18.support us. The menu here is to clean modern British, with prices
:18:19. > :18:23.ranging from ?6 for the wild garlic and potato soup to ?20 for the river
:18:24. > :18:28.beef . Peter is concerned about the higher-priced items, and suggest
:18:29. > :18:32.taking them off the menu. Definitely, the caviar should be
:18:33. > :18:39.taken away. Maybe the rebuff beef and the scallops. Why the scallops?
:18:40. > :18:44.They can be quite expensive. Nick, do you have a solution to taking
:18:45. > :18:50.those expensive items of? The rib of beef, we could definitely change for
:18:51. > :18:54.a romp. So the prices are moved and the new menus go out, but against
:18:55. > :18:58.Peter's advice, Nick has left the scallops on, insisting it is one of
:18:59. > :19:04.their most popular dishes. It is time for the experiment to begin.
:19:05. > :19:08.What do you think of the idea? It is a brilliant idea. It is quite
:19:09. > :19:13.exciting. Interesting to see what the quality of the food is like. We
:19:14. > :19:17.were a bit stunned when we first came in and saw that. I have been
:19:18. > :19:20.talking to people, and a lot of them like what is going on, but some say
:19:21. > :19:24.they are feeling a bit of social pressure. They are worried about
:19:25. > :19:27.paying too little or too much. The interesting point will come when
:19:28. > :19:34.they have to pay the bill. We just had a customer who had mackerel that
:19:35. > :19:40.is normally ?8 50. They paid ?2 50. That is not great. Not a good
:19:41. > :19:45.start. So we'll make's customers leave him badly out of pocket after
:19:46. > :19:49.a whole weekend with no prices on the menu?
:19:50. > :19:53.We will find out how that experiment went later. Shall we find out the
:19:54. > :19:56.results of our experiment? Dermott and Martin were given the
:19:57. > :20:01.opportunity to take into my speciality, a crisp sandwich.
:20:02. > :20:07.Dermot, you have given up crisps for Lent. But we wondering how much you
:20:08. > :20:11.would be prepared to pay. I have high hopes, Martin, because you
:20:12. > :20:18.really enjoyed that, you see. Please reveal the price. I would go for a
:20:19. > :20:25.healthy 75p. For both halves? Is that too high or too low? To load.
:20:26. > :20:37.This is the One Show cafe. -- too low. I have given them up falling,
:20:38. > :20:43.but I have put ?1 50. Those are no prices full -- those are London
:20:44. > :20:49.prices. We have gone the ?2.05. Why the 5p? We deliberated for ages
:20:50. > :20:55.earlier. I thought it should be more expensive. You have a part share in
:20:56. > :20:58.a restaurant. Would you ever consider doing what they have done
:20:59. > :21:04.for a weekend, where you literally put it out to customers? That would
:21:05. > :21:07.terrify me. And it is not because you are not confident in the product
:21:08. > :21:13.you have or the service we provide. You have a profit margins to hit so
:21:14. > :21:16.that you can pay your staff. So it is scary. Plus, given the
:21:17. > :21:25.opportunity, people will rob you blind. Especially you, with your
:21:26. > :21:33.75p! Your Mac or at the moment is on at pounds 50, and the customer just
:21:34. > :21:39.paid two quid. But I have to pay a chef to cook it. We will see. So as
:21:40. > :21:43.well as your telly work, you have a brilliant show on radio to every
:21:44. > :21:47.Saturday afternoon. And at this time of year, I look forward to having a
:21:48. > :21:54.copy of your CDs. We have not got one here, but I have one in my car.
:21:55. > :22:00.I have not got any with me. There are a lot of songs on there. We have
:22:01. > :22:08.40. We do it once a year and we always figure we may as well fill it
:22:09. > :22:12.up. We do about 48 shows a year and about 62 sessions. So it is a lovely
:22:13. > :22:15.thing for us to do. It came from the people that listened to the show
:22:16. > :22:19.when we first did it. They said, where can we get these sessions,
:22:20. > :22:25.because a lot of people do covers or unusual songs. Then we started
:22:26. > :22:27.putting it out. Is it weird when you meet those groups again and they
:22:28. > :22:38.have not made it onto the compilation album? Do I get beaten
:22:39. > :22:40.up? But there have been a few of these compilation albums. It is
:22:41. > :22:46.interesting to look back and see maybe, how the tastes have evolved.
:22:47. > :22:49.The me, you look back and are proud about the fact that we give a lot of
:22:50. > :22:56.young, aspiring artists their first session. We gave Adele one of the
:22:57. > :23:02.first sessions. Tragically, we gave anyone has one of her first oceans
:23:03. > :23:11.years ago. -- a new one house. It is lovely to see how those act progress
:23:12. > :23:15.full Turin Brakes are doing Chim Chim Cheree on your album. Do they
:23:16. > :23:19.choose the songs? Every now and again, we will ask if they will do
:23:20. > :23:25.one of their own back catalogue songs, or one of our favourites. But
:23:26. > :23:29.with Turin Brakes, they did a great LP ages ago called Xerox. They just
:23:30. > :23:37.did it for themselves, and they put out this. Chim Chim Cheree is such a
:23:38. > :23:43.great song. It is a really nice arrangement. There was another guy
:23:44. > :23:53.who Ed Sheeran grew up listening to. And he came in on his own with
:23:54. > :23:56.an acoustic guitar and did the theme tune from Cheers, but he did the
:23:57. > :24:02.full-length version. That is on the album. We have to talk to you while
:24:03. > :24:07.you are here, because tonight is the press night of the X Factor musical,
:24:08. > :24:11.I Can't Sing. What was your impression when you heard they were
:24:12. > :24:18.doing a musical? You are kind of in it. There is a presenter in it. He
:24:19. > :24:26.is called Liam O'Dreary. That is really unkind. He looks unkind from
:24:27. > :24:33.that picture. Simon Cowell has been saying on Twitter, can't wait. That
:24:34. > :24:43.is because he owns it! But best of luck to it. I love my old school
:24:44. > :24:52.musicals. Phantom? I love love when it was on. You can't beat The Lion
:24:53. > :24:56.King, Martin. The album is out now. Throughout
:24:57. > :25:02.my's show, we are tempted to recreate the spirit of Wigan Casino
:25:03. > :25:06.in 1973. That is what the outfits are about. The Northern Soul
:25:07. > :25:10.movement is enjoying a resurgence. But only is there a new film out in
:25:11. > :25:16.the summer, but more and more events are being held around the country.
:25:17. > :25:20.In a moment, we will be chatting. You have put the crisps on the
:25:21. > :25:23.floor! We will chat to Lisa Stansfield. But first, whenever we
:25:24. > :25:30.need someone with a bit of rhythm, we turn to Matt... Mat all right.
:25:31. > :25:35.Northern Soul is the cultural movement that refuse to die. Based
:25:36. > :25:39.on recordings of black American soul music, the unlikely birthplace was
:25:40. > :25:45.the ballrooms and dance halls in the north of England. Manchester,
:25:46. > :25:51.Blackpool and Wigan. In the late 60s, the term Northern Soul was
:25:52. > :25:57.coined by record shop owner Dave. He noticed that fans from the north of
:25:58. > :26:09.England were scouring record racks for obscure and rare sounds. I have
:26:10. > :26:15.come to the Ritz ballroom in Brighouse to experience Northern
:26:16. > :26:22.Soul for myself. I have just met Beverly and Griff. There are some
:26:23. > :26:28.overlooked so artists for whom bought and sold met -- meant a
:26:29. > :26:34.researchers in their career. One of these artists was Tommy Hunt. Being
:26:35. > :26:40.a soul singer, I did not know what Northern Soul was. I said, what is
:26:41. > :26:45.Northern Soul? Is that a different type of music? They said, no, it is
:26:46. > :26:53.a soul music by new people from the states. But it is rare records that
:26:54. > :27:01.did not make it. I went to the Wigan Casino. There must have been about
:27:02. > :27:09.2000 people there. Mr Tommy Hunt! And I started singing. I had never
:27:10. > :27:16.felt such power of music like I felt there. But even out of the
:27:17. > :27:21.limelight, the scene has still been ticking away for all these years.
:27:22. > :27:26.Now, however, there is a new generation of Soul fans about to get
:27:27. > :27:33.on the right track. Northern Soul is what brings mother and son Angie and
:27:34. > :27:36.Joe together. Angie spins on the dance floor, Joe spins the
:27:37. > :27:43.turntable. What makes a Northern Soul record? It is the beat what
:27:44. > :27:47.goes through you. It doesn't matter if you can dance or not, you just
:27:48. > :27:51.get on the floor and do your thing. I started taking him to the Ritz
:27:52. > :27:59.when you were about 30 on Sunday afternoons. -- about 13. I will be
:28:00. > :28:05.honest with you, Joe, I would not go clubbing with my mum. How does that
:28:06. > :28:10.work with you guys? When we get there, he goes off and does his bit,
:28:11. > :28:17.and I do mine. But he is following me now. And it is nice to share
:28:18. > :28:26.that. I know that he will pass it on. I have done my bit. I think a
:28:27. > :28:31.lot of them start of saying, I like that clothing. Then they start
:28:32. > :28:36.getting the music. It is encouraging to see the younger generation. You
:28:37. > :28:41.are doing something from nearly 40 years ago. What brought that on? We
:28:42. > :28:50.both grew up on the music. Your luck is quite distinct. -- your look. You
:28:51. > :29:01.can't dance to Northern Soul in tight trousers. Can you show me a
:29:02. > :29:10.move I can try? You can do sidestepping, like that. I feel like
:29:11. > :29:16.my dad looks at weddings. They live it, they eat it, they sleep it. It
:29:17. > :29:20.make me mad sometimes, because I want to dance with them, and I
:29:21. > :29:26.can't. My old legs tell me, you can look, but you can't get out no more.
:29:27. > :29:31.Thank you so much for introducing me to the world of Northern Soul. It
:29:32. > :29:52.has been a privilege. I'm going to go off now. Bye.
:29:53. > :30:05.He is good at spinning. I love it. We are joined by Lisa Stansfield.
:30:06. > :30:11.The thing that really strikes you is that it crosses all generations. We
:30:12. > :30:18.saw the mother and son. It is something a 16-year-old or a
:30:19. > :30:22.60-year-old can enjoy. I think even now that music touches people. It is
:30:23. > :30:28.predominantly an emotional thing. It just gets you. It is not about your
:30:29. > :30:36.brain, it is about your soul and it is about your heart. I really do
:30:37. > :30:44.believe that. This film is very eagerly anticipated, isn't it? Yeah,
:30:45. > :30:50.people chomping at the bit for it. People say if you have never been to
:30:51. > :30:57.one, this is the best way? I have been friends with the lane for ages.
:30:58. > :31:02.The director. She said, what do you think it is going to be like, this
:31:03. > :31:06.movie? I said, the way that I envisage it is that it is going to
:31:07. > :31:13.be like a Northern Saturday night Fever. When it really is. Which part
:31:14. > :31:21.do you play? Everybody thinks I am going to be singing and dancing and
:31:22. > :31:29.I play the mum. This is why I got really dressed up today. I don't
:31:30. > :31:39.want to look like that on this show! Mum of who? I am the mum of the hero
:31:40. > :31:42.of the story. I am the reason why he gets itself into trouble, really. He
:31:43. > :31:48.does get himself into all sorts of scrapes. He sits with his grandad
:31:49. > :31:56.all day and he never goes out. And he makes a fixed models. And I get
:31:57. > :32:02.really worried about him. And I tell him to get out and go to the youth
:32:03. > :32:07.club and mix with people Ron H. And so he sort to reluctantly agrees to
:32:08. > :32:19.it. -- people your own age. That is it. A period piece. It is set in the
:32:20. > :32:25.year I? Have a log. Watch this. That arrived this morning, asking
:32:26. > :32:28.where you work. We are going to have a word with Mr Banks this
:32:29. > :32:35.afternoon. Are you refusing to get involved? I was proper shown up at
:32:36. > :32:42.that school today. He is becoming a weirdo. A recluse at his age.
:32:43. > :32:48.Recluse is a strong word, isn't it? You stay out of this, that. I want
:32:49. > :32:55.to hold my head up in this town. What about the youth club? Oh, mum.
:32:56. > :33:02.I am not going. Your cousin is not scared. I am not scared! Yellow
:33:03. > :33:07.Macca what is your problem then? This has inspired you to get back
:33:08. > :33:14.into music, is that fair to say? The music didn't. A lot of things did. I
:33:15. > :33:22.think it all came together at the same time. It was like a light bulb
:33:23. > :33:26.went off. Yes, I had always been writing and I had always been
:33:27. > :33:30.planning. But I thought if the opportunity does not arise, then I
:33:31. > :33:37.would just sit at home and listen to my own music and be a really sad
:33:38. > :33:43.person. But it did. And so I went for it. On the new album is a track
:33:44. > :33:49.called carry on. It really does have a Northern Soul feel. Yes, I think
:33:50. > :34:05.we did that because of the movie. It was one of the last tracks we wrote.
:34:06. > :34:16.# I will carry on. # I will take it as it comes.
:34:17. > :34:26.# I will carry on. # I would take it as it comes.
:34:27. > :34:35.# I will keep my foot in front of the other one.
:34:36. > :34:39.A Northern Soul message! You have got to get that on the next
:34:40. > :34:48.compilation album. I can't believe you're meant to be that guy's mum!
:34:49. > :34:57.You look the same age as him. I really do look like that. I don't
:34:58. > :35:03.really look like this. More shots of Lisa, less shots of us. Lisa's new
:35:04. > :35:09.album is out now. We are going to see more fantastic Northern Soul
:35:10. > :35:16.dancers at the end of the show. We may even join in. Cannot wait! In a
:35:17. > :35:20.moment, George McGavin will be talking about Monkey Planet. First,
:35:21. > :35:27.a film about how farmers have drafted in an unusual ally to fight
:35:28. > :35:30.creepy crawlies. Microscopic battles between tiny
:35:31. > :35:35.predators and prey are raging across the British countryside all the
:35:36. > :35:42.time. And without them, we would be overrun with pests. One aphid, if it
:35:43. > :35:51.was left to reproduce unchecked, would become billions in one season.
:35:52. > :35:54.Clearly the natural system works, otherwise I may be knee deep in
:35:55. > :36:02.aphids and other pests. What happens if you bring the outside, in?
:36:03. > :36:06.Large-scale greenhouse drawing is big business in the UK. Farmers can
:36:07. > :36:09.satisfy the demand for all year round produce. It may protect them
:36:10. > :36:15.from the weather but it does not protect them from the same old
:36:16. > :36:19.pests. An outbreak of aphids could be devastating to us as a business
:36:20. > :36:23.and to the crop. It would dramatically reduce the marketable
:36:24. > :36:29.yield of tomatoes. Would you ever consider using pesticides? We try
:36:30. > :36:35.not to. They are unacceptable to the public and are expensive to apply.
:36:36. > :36:40.The vast majority of greenhouse farmers have turned to more natural
:36:41. > :36:44.and ingenious control methods. In this little Chubut is a batch of
:36:45. > :36:54.dead aphids. By sprinting them over the tomato plants, we are rather
:36:55. > :36:59.bizarrely preventing infestation. -- sprinkling. This is where it gets
:37:00. > :37:02.weirder. In our studio we are placing these dead aphids under a
:37:03. > :37:06.micro lens. With the help of Chris from Oxford University, we are going
:37:07. > :37:15.to see how they are helping foreigners. I am looking for a big
:37:16. > :37:21.black mass inside the dead aphid. That looks like a lake or an
:37:22. > :37:27.antenna. It is definitely moving. Inside the dead aphid, we have
:37:28. > :37:33.another species of insect. That is a parasitic wasp. Emergence can take
:37:34. > :37:38.hours. We want to find one that has already started the process. It has
:37:39. > :37:44.started. It is chewing its way out of the aphid. The head is out
:37:45. > :37:50.already. It is quite gruesome. You have got a live wasp emerging from
:37:51. > :37:56.the dead remains of this aphid post. She is virtually out. One last push
:37:57. > :38:07.and she is free. How did the wasp get inside a dead aphid? This wasp
:38:08. > :38:12.has an uncanny ability to track down aphids. And a gruesome way of
:38:13. > :38:17.dealing with them. There is a nice pile of aphids. Sensing the aphids,
:38:18. > :38:28.she checked them out with her antennae. And begins the attack. Oh,
:38:29. > :38:43.look. Yes! She has got it! That is quick. She then continues on a
:38:44. > :38:46.rampage. Again! It is fantastic. She brings her abdomen between her legs
:38:47. > :38:56.and stabs eats aphid in return -- in-turn. Their sting is what they
:38:57. > :39:01.used to lay the eight inside the aphids. This is a dead aphid that
:39:02. > :39:10.had an ache laid inside ten days ago. The egg has now hatched. And
:39:11. > :39:17.this year is actually the larvae. It keeps its host a live so it can feed
:39:18. > :39:22.on its tissues inside. But it only needs the vital organs last. It
:39:23. > :39:27.keeps it alive as long as it can. Two weeks later, time for the
:39:28. > :39:34.process to start again. That is just one. Imagine each wasp can lay about
:39:35. > :39:42.300 or 400 eggs at a time. You can see how you can decimate aphids. By
:39:43. > :39:44.utilising this natural behaviour, farmers up and down the country have
:39:45. > :39:49.the helping hand of these wonderful wasps, helping to keep British
:39:50. > :39:54.vegetables on our tables all year round.
:39:55. > :40:00.We will talk to George in a second. A vote -- the vote is closed. We
:40:01. > :40:05.asked if destroying all ivory antiques would help to save the
:40:06. > :40:08.elephants. We will reveal the results later. Georges here. You
:40:09. > :40:17.have been travelling all over the world. You have been looking at why
:40:18. > :40:22.we love primates. What did you discover that you were not
:40:23. > :40:27.expecting? I realised how much of them is in us and how much of us is
:40:28. > :40:32.in them. We are just a big primate. We have art and music and history in
:40:33. > :40:38.between. But basically we had the same. We love families and our
:40:39. > :40:45.young. You are an insect man. I know. I am sorry. I have gone over
:40:46. > :40:51.to the dark side! Primates are as close to us as you can possibly get
:40:52. > :40:58.and they are stunning. You met a female who had a particular thing.
:40:59. > :41:04.She liked washing yourself... This is amazing. She lived with humans.
:41:05. > :41:07.She imitates stuff. She can wash herself with soap. She can unlock a
:41:08. > :41:15.locked door to get food. She was stunning. Let's have a look. She did
:41:16. > :41:24.like keeping herself clean. Here, orangutans and humans share. They
:41:25. > :41:41.watched us and begun to experiment. This may look a bit bizarre. It
:41:42. > :41:46.actually shows how smart she is. She has seen humans you every morning
:41:47. > :41:59.washing. And she is basically doing exactly the same.
:42:00. > :42:04.She also had great breath as well. The monkey hygiene does not stop
:42:05. > :42:11.there. No. We were filming in Thailand. There are some who pick
:42:12. > :42:20.human hair of tourists and amazingly what they do with it, they floss
:42:21. > :42:21.their teeth. I couldn't believe it. Look at Lisa's face. You cannot
:42:22. > :42:39.believe it! Standing there with one on my
:42:40. > :42:44.shoulder, flossing his teeth. You could not make it up. A lot of what
:42:45. > :42:50.we are going to see has never been seen? Court of all the film has not
:42:51. > :42:58.been seen before. It is really new stuff. Is there one closest to us?
:42:59. > :43:09.We filmed chimpanzees, the nobles, everything. Do you have a favourite
:43:10. > :43:20.monkey, Dermot? Where is this going? ! I love orangutans. We have some
:43:21. > :43:24.interesting sounds. We're going to play if you sounds and see if you
:43:25. > :43:40.can tell us what you think it is. You will never get it.
:43:41. > :43:46.That is really scary. There are over 500 to choose from. A howler
:43:47. > :43:50.monkey. They avoid having a fight because they say, this is my part of
:43:51. > :43:55.the forest, that is your part. I will shout at you and you will stay
:43:56. > :44:04.over there. They are not that big. But they can really make a noise.
:44:05. > :44:18.And the next one. 50 quid if you get this. Is a
:44:19. > :44:23.leaner! -- limo! I live near the zoo. In the summer the wind blows,
:44:24. > :44:29.and if it blows the right way you hear this sense. We thought it was a
:44:30. > :44:45.tropical bird. It was Jimmy the given. Can we go straight to the
:44:46. > :45:00.last one? That sounds like a rumbling stomach. Babylon? Very
:45:01. > :45:05.good! -- baboon. We have got one more, just to see if you can get
:45:06. > :45:14.this, George. Don't feel bad, there are 500 of them. Let's play it
:45:15. > :45:20.anyway. 20 quid is on the line. That is a human, trying to do a chimp.
:45:21. > :45:37.But which human? I think it is you! You can see George's Monkey Planet
:45:38. > :45:41.from next Wednesday at nine o'clock on BBC One. I have no idea how much
:45:42. > :45:49.money has just changed hands. Now, in 2007, Tim Samuels created
:45:50. > :45:57.the world's oldest rock band to draw attention to the loneliness among
:45:58. > :46:00.pensioners. They were a huge hit, and now Tim is back with a campaign
:46:01. > :46:07.to get older men out of the house and into the pub. My name is George
:46:08. > :46:12.O'Connor. I am 83. My social life now is nearly nonexistent. I can sit
:46:13. > :46:18.here all day long without even the telephone ringing. I feel really
:46:19. > :46:26.lonely. And more or less tied into my house. There are thousands of
:46:27. > :46:29.people like George, older guys, particularly over 75, who are
:46:30. > :46:32.lonely. They don't get out much during the week. Their wives have
:46:33. > :46:37.often passed away and family live miles away. The idea is to do
:46:38. > :46:40.something basic, find an old guy who lives in your neighbourhood, take
:46:41. > :46:47.him for a pint, share some stories, see if you get on, and add something
:46:48. > :46:54.new to his day. Hi, I am Tim. Nice to meet you. Believe it or not, this
:46:55. > :46:58.is the first time I have in in a pub for six months. Does it get you
:46:59. > :47:06.down, being stuck at home? Yes, it does. I will get up and put music
:47:07. > :47:11.on, or the television. Or I go in the kitchen and start making a cake.
:47:12. > :47:16.Cooking is your big thing? Cooking was my profession. Where were you a
:47:17. > :47:23.cook? I can't tell you that. Official secrets? Yes, I am bound by
:47:24. > :47:27.the official secrets act. You actually are? Were you cooking for
:47:28. > :47:32.the government? Sort of. All I can say is that it was to do with the
:47:33. > :47:42.higher officials. This is intriguing! Come on, George! Let's
:47:43. > :47:46.have a point and then discover the secrets. You were probably a chef at
:47:47. > :47:52.MI6. You are going to keep a poker face, aren't you? Georges my dad's
:47:53. > :47:57.age. He is 45 years older than me, so for me, it is natural to speak to
:47:58. > :48:04.someone of his age in that way. But will it be easy for younger guys to
:48:05. > :48:11.speak to older guys? I have invited some guys who are younger than me to
:48:12. > :48:20.see how they get on with older guys. Three months, and then we got
:48:21. > :48:25.married. Three months? I hope you find a job for long and make a
:48:26. > :48:35.success of your life. I love pizza as well. We got on about a lot of
:48:36. > :48:40.stuff and he gave me some great tips for the ladies. It is great to get
:48:41. > :48:43.to understand one another. Nice to have a chat and talk to people you
:48:44. > :48:47.would never talk to. I was never bored, not for one moment. I don't
:48:48. > :48:54.know if I bought him. I hope I didn't. I have had a very enjoyable
:48:55. > :49:01.day. I don't feel lonely now. I think today has changed me a bit. It
:49:02. > :49:07.is a day that I thoroughly enjoyed. Unless George is an expert liar, he
:49:08. > :49:12.seemed to enjoy himself today, and I did as well. He was fascinating. It
:49:13. > :49:15.seemed to make such a different to someone who does not get out of the
:49:16. > :49:19.house and speak to someone for days at a time. It would be fascinating
:49:20. > :49:27.to find out what he really got up to. I wonder if MI6 did have pastry
:49:28. > :49:31.chefs. Let me get on to that. How wonderful. You could see the
:49:32. > :49:34.happiness in the eyes. You can hear more of Tim and his campaign in
:49:35. > :49:41.men's hour on Radio 5 Live this Sunday at 9pm. Earlier, we asked you
:49:42. > :49:46.to vote on the issue of ivory. We asked, would destroying all ivory
:49:47. > :49:56.antics help save the elephant? The results are, yes, 32%. No, it
:49:57. > :50:04.wouldn't, 68%. Quite a divide. Are you surprised by that, Martin? Yes.
:50:05. > :50:10.Depressed. Lots of people have been commenting on this. Terry says,
:50:11. > :50:17.surely destroying ivory will only create worldwide demand. Therefore
:50:18. > :50:22.leading to more deaths? Lee Mannering says, I have two pieces of
:50:23. > :50:25.ivory jewellery inherited from a mother which are sentimental value,
:50:26. > :50:29.but if destroying it would save one elephant, I would do it in a
:50:30. > :50:32.heartbeat. Alison says, why don't they sell the current pieces of
:50:33. > :50:38.ivory and put money saving living elephants? Because that keeps the
:50:39. > :50:42.market alive. And no one wants to see elephants die for their ivory
:50:43. > :50:46.tusks, but what a waste to destroy the ivory pieces the elephant has
:50:47. > :50:51.died for? The animal would have died for nothing. Such a waste. That is
:50:52. > :50:57.from Ben. Thanks to everyone for their comments. Earlier, Jay visited
:50:58. > :51:00.a restaurant in Bristol that was boldly trialling a scheme where
:51:01. > :51:12.diners pay what they like for their meals. Let's see how they fared.
:51:13. > :51:15.The town house in Bristol is trialling a radical new system. They
:51:16. > :51:19.have taken all the prices of the menus. The bills will be left blank.
:51:20. > :51:26.It is up to the customers to decide how much they are going to pay. Not
:51:27. > :51:30.everybody is keen on the idea. I would prefer to know what I am going
:51:31. > :51:35.to pay. To try and decide how much a meal is worth is much more
:51:36. > :51:41.difficult. It is a busy lunchtime service, and the experiment is in
:51:42. > :51:54.full flow. Roast pork. How much? It was superb. I thought ?12. For mine,
:51:55. > :52:01.I did not think the presentation was interesting, but it tasted
:52:02. > :52:07.fantastic. ?57 feels like a good price for the food you have had? We
:52:08. > :52:11.have probably been a bit cheap. It has been going well, but I am a bit
:52:12. > :52:16.surprised by some who have not paid as much as I thought. It is the most
:52:17. > :52:20.popular dish that is cause for concern. The scallops starter that
:52:21. > :52:29.Nick was advised to take off the menu is barely making any money.
:52:30. > :52:33.It's usual price is ?4.50. ?3. ?2. How much do you think that is worth
:52:34. > :52:40.per dish? We thought about five pounds. They were done nicely,
:52:41. > :52:44.cooked well. Nick will not know whether he has made a profit or a
:52:45. > :52:48.loss to the end of the weekend, and there is the all-important evening
:52:49. > :52:51.menu still to come. Tonight, you have got the Aluko at dinner menu,
:52:52. > :52:56.which is more expensive. Are you confident it will be OK? Less
:52:57. > :53:10.confident. I am worried that we may lose out at dinner time. We will
:53:11. > :53:17.see. I paid ?8 for the stake. The sizes were a bit smaller than I
:53:18. > :53:22.would normally expect. I had the beef rump. I paid when the pounds,
:53:23. > :53:32.and it was cooked to perfection. -- ?20. As Sunday night draws to a
:53:33. > :53:36.close, it is time to shut the restaurant and bring our experiment
:53:37. > :53:39.to an end. The next morning, Nick and Vanessa are working out if the
:53:40. > :53:45.whole thing has been a success. ?6 for the fish wrath. They were paying
:53:46. > :53:56.a lot more than usual -- the fish broth. We took more on the lunches.
:53:57. > :54:02.Sunday was good. Brilliant. And so, the results. They would have taken
:54:03. > :54:08.7100 and ?53 if people had paid the normal prices. Instead, they made
:54:09. > :54:14.?8,498, almost 20% more. It looks like only 5% of people underpaid. So
:54:15. > :54:20.will they be offering their pay what you menu permanently? We made ?1200
:54:21. > :54:23.more than we normally would, but we will not do it again because it made
:54:24. > :54:28.some customers feel uncomfortable. We want our customers to come and be
:54:29. > :54:40.happy from start to finish. So it will not work for us.
:54:41. > :54:44.Well, there we are. It paid off. We should try that in our One Show
:54:45. > :54:49.cafe. But if the crisp sandwiches were anything to go by, maybe not.
:54:50. > :54:52.As we said earlier, there is a new film out that celebrates the
:54:53. > :54:56.Northern Soul movement. We have dressed the part and to celebrate,
:54:57. > :55:02.we are joined by some Northern Soul devotees, some of which were in the
:55:03. > :55:06.film. Dave, you are one of them. Northern Soul started in the late
:55:07. > :55:11.70s. It has had a reserve gin is. You are only 19, so how did you get
:55:12. > :55:20.into it? I was just brought up on it in our family, with the dancing. In
:55:21. > :55:29.November, I won the dance Championships. That was it for our
:55:30. > :55:35.family. I ran my mum and told her, and it was really good. I do every
:55:36. > :55:42.weekend and it is my life. You have got the costume and the trousers,
:55:43. > :55:48.like Matt. They are the best for moving. They are not tight. People
:55:49. > :55:55.look at you like a widow for having them on -- like a weirdo, but it is
:55:56. > :56:05.quality. Come on, let's see a few moves. Matt should try that. Hang
:56:06. > :56:23.on! What do I do? Northern Soul. Elaine, you have got
:56:24. > :56:35.a wonderful move. Let's see your speciality.
:56:36. > :56:44.Pardon me for asking, I don't mean to ask how old you are, but were you
:56:45. > :56:49.around when this started? Yes. I have been on the scene for 43 years.
:56:50. > :56:54.And you have not got a northern accent. No, I am a posh southern
:56:55. > :57:00.girl. How did you start? Mainly because I live in Newbury, and there
:57:01. > :57:04.was an air base there, so we had a black American soul artists come
:57:05. > :57:09.over. That started the element in Newbury, and we used to travel up
:57:10. > :57:19.north regularly. And you are still doing it? Still doing it. Good girl!
:57:20. > :57:23.Lovely. Now, you have posted a video on YouTube, and it has been an
:57:24. > :57:28.absolute hit, nearly a million viewers. Tell us what you did? It
:57:29. > :57:34.was me dancing down the street. I mixed two tracks together, one that
:57:35. > :57:38.is in the northern soul style, and another in the charts at the moment.
:57:39. > :57:41.The idea what's to tell people who don't know about Northern Soul music
:57:42. > :57:45.that it is just as good as what you hear in the charts, and to give it a
:57:46. > :57:52.wider appreciation. It really deserves it. It really worked. We
:57:53. > :58:02.are going to finish with spinning Sam here. Watch this man go. He is
:58:03. > :58:09.like a spinning top! Goodlad, Sam. Smile! Thanks to Martin and Dermot
:58:10. > :58:13.O'Leary on the decks at the back, and Lisa. Tomorrow, we will be
:58:14. > :58:17.talking about the return of surprise, surprise, with Holly will
:58:18. > :59:09.be. Time to shuffle, everybody. Ready? Here we go!
:59:10. > :59:16.Hello, I'm Ellie Crisell with your 90-second update. Gas and
:59:17. > :59:21.electricity prices frozen until 2016. That's what the energy firm
:59:22. > :59:23.SSE is doing. The