:00:17. > :00:22.Hello, welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker... And Alex Jones.
:00:23. > :00:25.Promising sun, sea and a load of secrets, our guests in the studio
:00:26. > :00:29.tonight are the crime fighting double act from ITV's new police
:00:30. > :00:31.drama the Level. Clarke Clark and Lindsey Coulson are here.
:00:32. > :00:38.Evening. APPLAUSE
:00:39. > :00:42.We have seen the first episode. It's edge of your seat kind of stuff. We
:00:43. > :00:48.look forward to talking to you about that later on. We do. First, though,
:00:49. > :00:52.in the words of the late, great, Sir Terry Wogan, let's pause at the
:00:53. > :00:56.thought for just a moment. 50 years ago today, a little known Irish
:00:57. > :01:00.broadcaster first took to the air waves in a studio just behind us.
:01:01. > :01:04.Just there. We think, yeah. At Westminster Abbey this lunch time,
:01:05. > :01:08.many of his friends, colleagues and his listeners gathered to celebrate
:01:09. > :01:11.a career that stretched from that day until November last year when he
:01:12. > :01:17.closed his show for the very last time. I was lucky enough to be there
:01:18. > :01:21.and what a wonderful, wonderful hour it was. Chris Evans and Joanna
:01:22. > :01:28.Lumley led the tributes along with Ken Bruce, who read a beautiful poem
:01:29. > :01:33.by WB Yeats. Though I am old with wandering through hollow lands and
:01:34. > :01:41.hilly lands, I will find out where she has gone and kiss her lips and
:01:42. > :01:46.take her hands and walk among long dapled grass. Ken joins us this
:01:47. > :01:50.evening. Hello. Hi. What was the significance then of that poem to
:01:51. > :01:54.Terry? It was a great favourite of Terry himself. Specifically chosen
:01:55. > :01:58.by his family. I think it means a great deal to them. I was
:01:59. > :02:03.honoured... Beautifully read. Thank you very much. Not something I'm
:02:04. > :02:08.used to reading, poetry. Ken, what a fitting tribute it was. It was a
:02:09. > :02:13.packed house, I have the order of service, I will treasure this. Every
:02:14. > :02:15.element was so fitting. It was a beautiful service, quite a formal
:02:16. > :02:19.service, because it's Westminster Abbey. You can't have an
:02:20. > :02:25.all-singing, all-dancing show. It was really beautiful because it was
:02:26. > :02:31.a mixture of classic hymns, but beautiful music played by the BBC
:02:32. > :02:36.Concert Orchestra and sung by Katie Melua and Peter Gabriel, touching
:02:37. > :02:41.moments of special music It's really hard to get the head round the fact
:02:42. > :02:45.that he's been gone eight months. He still feels very present, especially
:02:46. > :02:48.coming up to Children in Need. Proms in the Park was another thing. I
:02:49. > :02:52.used to do that every year. Terry was on the stage, I'd be back stage.
:02:53. > :02:57.This year I got there and I thought, oh, Terry's not here. It was a real
:02:58. > :03:02.awakening again of the thought oh, he is gone really. It was quite a
:03:03. > :03:05.sad moment. The turnout, though. 1800 people there. And the
:03:06. > :03:10.fascinating thing to me was it wasn't just the great and the good.
:03:11. > :03:13.It wasn't just colleagues, just the establishment, the listeners were
:03:14. > :03:19.there, real people, honest people, they turned out in crowds. A Cabi
:03:20. > :03:23.took me down to the abbey, "Blimey, I've never seen coaches outside."
:03:24. > :03:26.There were coaches parked, queues right round the corner. Lovely. The
:03:27. > :03:33.people came out to honour Terry. We were there as well. We sent our
:03:34. > :03:43.cameras down to ask Terry's many admirers to give us Wogan in one
:03:44. > :03:52.word. Glint. Charm. Rascal. Heart. Magic. Laster, so much laster. We
:03:53. > :03:55.really did. Hello, I'm Gaby... Even if he was talking about something
:03:56. > :04:00.serious, there was always a glint in his eyes. Silly, I loved him for
:04:01. > :04:10.being silly. A silly man, a great sense of humour. Poetry, the way he
:04:11. > :04:15.spoke English was poetic. Poetry in motion. Warmth. He gave the best big
:04:16. > :04:19.bear hugs. Every time you worked with him, you didn't feel like you
:04:20. > :04:22.were at work Edgy, telling rude jokes early in the morning.
:04:23. > :04:27.Outrageous and completely in the moment. Absolutely typified that
:04:28. > :04:31.dictum of it's very important to take your job seriously, it's a
:04:32. > :04:36.waste of time to take yourself seriously.
:04:37. > :04:42.LAUGHTER I'd go with twinkle. Mischief. He
:04:43. > :04:45.sat here a few times and I'd go naughty, very naughty. There's more
:04:46. > :04:51.tributes coming up this week on Radio 2. That's right, tonight at
:04:52. > :04:55.10pm, last night the first part of our tribute to Terry, thank you for
:04:56. > :05:01.being our friend. The second part is tonight on Radio 2. Join us for
:05:02. > :05:05.that. On Friday night, BBC One, 9pm, a special tribute to Terry a, great
:05:06. > :05:09.programme that promises to be. Later in the year, at the beginning of
:05:10. > :05:15.November, a huge concert in aid of Children in Need. Children in Need
:05:16. > :05:22.Rocks, fantastic names taking part Take That, Olly Murs, they're all
:05:23. > :05:26.taking part. Ward Thomas is taking part. Terry introduced the nation to
:05:27. > :05:30.this duo, at the beginning of their career. They're going to be playing
:05:31. > :05:33.later as well, very fitting. Very much looking forward to that. We
:05:34. > :05:38.will have a performance on the patio. Thank you so much, Ken.
:05:39. > :05:42.Pleasure, thank you for asking me. We'll be talking to Noel Clarke and
:05:43. > :05:46.Lindsey Coulson very shortly. First, you may remember back in May last
:05:47. > :05:50.year, the Government hired the American firm Concentrix to crack
:05:51. > :05:55.down on tax credit fraud. Well, that didn't work out so well. Hundreds of
:05:56. > :05:59.families had their payments stopped completely and with complaints
:06:00. > :06:03.flying in the Government has announced that Concentrix's services
:06:04. > :06:09.are no longer required. Dan asks: What happens next?
:06:10. > :06:13.Around 4. 5 million households cross Britain claim some form of tax
:06:14. > :06:19.credit, a state benefit aimed at people on lower incomes. Most people
:06:20. > :06:23.who claim tax credits need that money just to get by, but the
:06:24. > :06:30.Government wants to crack down on fraud in the system, which it says
:06:31. > :06:36.costs billions of pounds each year. In November 2014, HMRC hired a
:06:37. > :06:41.private American company called Concentrix to root out fraudulent
:06:42. > :06:45.claims. But the accuracy of that customer engagement is being called
:06:46. > :06:53.into question by some of the those on the receiving end like single dad
:06:54. > :06:55.Paul in Hampshire. His tax credits were stopped because Concentrix
:06:56. > :07:01.claim he's living with his ex-partner. Paul says they've lived
:07:02. > :07:05.apart for more than a year now, but convincing Concentrix of that is far
:07:06. > :07:09.from easy. Trying to get hold of them is impossible. You ring HMRC at
:07:10. > :07:13.yet more cost to be told no, it's Concentrix. What a mess. Stress
:07:14. > :07:19.levels are through the roof. There's a lot less money coming in. If your
:07:20. > :07:23.son comes home and ruined his new school shoes four days after going
:07:24. > :07:29.back, all that, having to penny watch every single thing that you
:07:30. > :07:35.spend. Single mum of two Sarah has had her tax credits stopped, again,
:07:36. > :07:39.because Concentrix says she's living with someone. This time it's Sarah
:07:40. > :07:44.says she's never even heard of. Couldn't tell you who this person
:07:45. > :07:48.is, how old he is, wherein the country he's from. I just don't know
:07:49. > :07:54.who he is. How do you feel you've been treated? It's hard enough being
:07:55. > :07:59.a single mum, James my little one has just started nursery. I haven't
:08:00. > :08:07.had the money to get his little rain coat. Concentrix didn't just stop
:08:08. > :08:10.jar's tax credit -- Sarah's tax credit, they insist she owes
:08:11. > :08:16.thousands in overpayments. The worst thing was them telling me I have a
:08:17. > :08:21.?5,000 repayment for the last financial year. Also, looking at a
:08:22. > :08:25.fine on top of that. Now I don't have that kind of money. If you want
:08:26. > :08:31.to see how widespread this problem is go on social media. One online
:08:32. > :08:35.group has 10,000 members. Their stories have a familiar ring. They
:08:36. > :08:42.kept writing to me to tell me there was another person living in my
:08:43. > :08:46.property. I am nearly five plus weeks now without any money - four
:08:47. > :08:52.kids, that's pretty hard. They're hanging up the phone, trying to fob
:08:53. > :08:54.a lot of us off. They told me my child tax credits are being stopped
:08:55. > :09:00.because I didn't return a letter that they had sent out to me in May
:09:01. > :09:08.this year. I haven't received such a letter. So what's the reason for all
:09:09. > :09:10.this chaos? Alison Garnham from the Child Poverty Action Group has been
:09:11. > :09:13.following the Government's efforts to cut fraud. She believes the
:09:14. > :09:20.decision to contract out the work was flawed from the off. The HMRC
:09:21. > :09:24.has outsourced some work but not supervise today properly. --
:09:25. > :09:28.supervised it properly. Concentrix should have been operating to the
:09:29. > :09:31.clear guidelines said out by HMRC. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened.
:09:32. > :09:36.Clearly, something's gone wrong here. What should happen now? HMRC
:09:37. > :09:42.needs to review these cases. They need to lock at all the cases where
:09:43. > :09:46.a decision was made. They should re-instate the benefit, start again
:09:47. > :09:52.and investigate properly. HMRC says it's now processing disputed cases
:09:53. > :09:58.as quickly as possible. It has redeployed 150 staff to help resolve
:09:59. > :10:01.outstanding issues. The contract with Concentrix will not be renewed
:10:02. > :10:05.when it runs out next year. Concentrix told us they operated
:10:06. > :10:11.professionally at all times and within the guidance set by HMRC.
:10:12. > :10:17.They say they contacted claimants based on information provided by
:10:18. > :10:24.HMRC. Adding that they've saved the taxpayer ?300 million in confirmed
:10:25. > :10:27.tax credit fraud. Stopping fraud is clearly important, but for those
:10:28. > :10:32.like Sarah, would find themselves on the wrong end of a decision, the
:10:33. > :10:37.process feels anything but fair. Seems like we're not people, we're
:10:38. > :10:44.just, you know, just little figures on a form. Thank you, Dan. Noel and
:10:45. > :10:50.Lindsay have made their way to the sofa. They come bearing gifts. This
:10:51. > :10:56.is rock, OK, classic rock from Brighton. It's got the name the
:10:57. > :11:00.Level... In a forensic bag. Our names are on the back. This is all
:11:01. > :11:04.about this new crime drama They've stitched us up here. This is on
:11:05. > :11:12.Friday. There's a lot of crime drama out there at the moment. What takes
:11:13. > :11:20.this to the next level! Clever! I've got to tell you, that was... Great.
:11:21. > :11:25.APPLAUSE In all seriousness, for a start
:11:26. > :11:29.we're in it. Good. I think that's pretty much good enough reason to
:11:30. > :11:32.watch it. But essentially you know, you've got a show where we don't
:11:33. > :11:36.have many shows where the cops, without giving too much away, have
:11:37. > :11:41.to investigate themselves and you've got a great lead in Carla, a young
:11:42. > :11:45.female lead. That's something that you don't see that often. It takes
:11:46. > :11:51.it to the next level. It doesn't have a lot of females who are in
:11:52. > :11:57.ditches with their throats slit or raped. It's quite refreshing not to
:11:58. > :12:00.see that on our telly all the time. Having said that it's pretty full
:12:01. > :12:06.on. Tell us where your characters fit in then. My character's the DCI,
:12:07. > :12:11.she runs the investigation. She's based in Brighton. So she is the one
:12:12. > :12:22.who runs the show basically. You're my... You're my boss, yes. He's a
:12:23. > :12:26.detective sergeant. Yeah, Sean Gunner Martin is the name. He's a
:12:27. > :12:30.lone wolf. Within the department we're in, he's still the guy that's
:12:31. > :12:34.separate to everyone else. They will be belly laughing at jokes and he'll
:12:35. > :12:40.be like, that's not funny. The boss knows me quite well. We don't want
:12:41. > :12:43.to give too much away. But interesting, you as a cast, you were
:12:44. > :12:49.held back from information as well, were you not? He wasn't. I didn't
:12:50. > :12:53.know till the first three, we shot three then we had a break then shot
:12:54. > :12:57.another three. I didn't want to know until the second lot, because I
:12:58. > :13:03.thought, I didn't think it could be me, but I can't tell you that any
:13:04. > :13:08.way - can I? The thing is about finding out who the main culprit.
:13:09. > :13:15.Apparently... Sherlock, I'm a writer as well. Right, you'd worked it out.
:13:16. > :13:20.I wasn't told per se. Did you work it out? No, I didn't. I'm not as
:13:21. > :13:26.clever as Noel, obviously! I didn't work it out, no. I quite liked
:13:27. > :13:30.going, could it be? I liked all that. When I did find out, you
:13:31. > :13:33.know... Carla was the best. She would work with everyone in the
:13:34. > :13:39.scene and then go, "I think it's you." Yeah, she did. It's quite
:13:40. > :13:44.complex in terms of a plot. Let's give people at home a flavour of
:13:45. > :13:52.what we can expect. This is a murder inquiry. You don't tell us things,
:13:53. > :13:56.you could be in a lot of trouble. Maybe the national crime division
:13:57. > :14:04.has a different way of doing things. Here, trust your colleagues. I think
:14:05. > :14:09.there's a leak in the team. Who? I've always had your back, I always
:14:10. > :14:14.will, no matter what you're up to. What I'm seeing is someone whose
:14:15. > :14:18.investment in this case seems personal to the point of
:14:19. > :14:20.self-destruction. Yoo I'm scared. -- I'm scared. What are you going to
:14:21. > :14:43.do? Find him before he finds me. Concentrix I would watch that. I've
:14:44. > :14:50.not seen that before and it looks pretty good. Hopefully we did not
:14:51. > :14:57.give too much away. It is a departure for you because after
:14:58. > :15:00.years as Carol, a character we loved in EastEnders, she was pretty
:15:01. > :15:09.draining emotionally. I'm glad you said that. It is a departure. I
:15:10. > :15:16.played a policewoman for ITV 12 years ago. That's one of the things
:15:17. > :15:21.wire wanted to do it because I thought I could leave the emotional
:15:22. > :15:27.stuff. Not him, he does not do any emotional stuff. Yes, I had a
:15:28. > :15:35.wonderful time on Eastenders and I loved playing Carol but it was nice.
:15:36. > :15:48.And doing single camera was nice. I really enjoyed that.
:15:49. > :15:57.Put that in your diary. Up next, the importance of the film industry
:15:58. > :16:03.should never be underestimated. Sidney Poitier became the first
:16:04. > :16:14.black man to win a best Actor Oscar in the 1960s, but his success came
:16:15. > :16:18.with the fair share of controversy. As the civil rights movement raged
:16:19. > :16:27.in America, one actor brought the fight for equality to British
:16:28. > :16:37.cinema. Sidney Poitier, in 1963, became the first black American to
:16:38. > :16:42.win a Best Actor Oscar. So why was it here that he turned in one of his
:16:43. > :16:47.most successful but most criticised performance? It told the story of an
:16:48. > :16:52.unemployed man who takes a teaching post at a tough East End school. You
:16:53. > :16:57.are the new land for the slaughter. His class of rebellious misfits are
:16:58. > :17:06.not interested in learning and they set out to break his spirit. But
:17:07. > :17:11.he's more resilient than they expect. It was based on the
:17:12. > :17:21.autobiographical book of the same name. When he moved to post-war
:17:22. > :17:30.London, the author found himself the victim of racism. It was an
:17:31. > :17:34.opportunity missed. Sidney Poitier was an icon who stood for the
:17:35. > :17:41.argument about race. What did you think about the film? It was a
:17:42. > :17:47.disappointment. The book was about race and the atmosphere in Britain.
:17:48. > :17:54.People trying to beat you up, none of that was in the film. That was
:17:55. > :18:09.very disappointing. It is only at the end of term that the rebellious
:18:10. > :18:14.students change their ways but under his guidance they've come of age
:18:15. > :18:25.before heading into the working world. It is a young Lulu who sings
:18:26. > :18:29.the tribute. But the character faces a final dilemma. His big decision
:18:30. > :18:33.comes when he's offered the engineering job. It is Patricia
:18:34. > :18:38.Routledge who makes the final bid to keep him teaching. You cannot waste
:18:39. > :18:47.that on electronics! The part I played was that of a young teacher.
:18:48. > :18:52.What was it like working with him? It was wonderful, I was nervous but
:18:53. > :18:58.he put me at ease. He was a gentleman, a Prince among men. It's
:18:59. > :19:03.a much better film than I thought it was now that I see it again. To
:19:04. > :19:10.handle those youngsters and get some wonderful performances out of them.
:19:11. > :19:18.They go with him and end up admiring him and loving him. It is very
:19:19. > :19:23.moving and called me just as I talk about it. Can you understand where
:19:24. > :19:28.the criticism has come from in terms of the film not reflecting how
:19:29. > :19:35.certain parts of Britain felt? I think that's true but the aim of the
:19:36. > :19:45.film showed how things could be and how they should be. Indeed, how, in
:19:46. > :19:50.certain places, they have become. It is almost 50 years since the release
:19:51. > :19:54.but earlier this year the Oscar ceremony drew criticism for the lack
:19:55. > :20:02.of black nominees. Have things changed much? We've arranged a
:20:03. > :20:08.screening for drama students from the identity School of Acting. It
:20:09. > :20:12.was surprising seeing this film with a black man who has such a high
:20:13. > :20:17.status. It is such a simple idea but has so many things we can learn
:20:18. > :20:22.about, adolescence, what it means to be an adult, being someone people
:20:23. > :20:28.feel different. It was nice to see a black male role in the 60s. I would
:20:29. > :20:32.like see more diversity right now. It may not have broken boundaries
:20:33. > :20:36.but for right and wrong, it painted a rare picture of racial acceptance
:20:37. > :20:43.at a time when Britain was not tolerant. You've led tributes to
:20:44. > :20:47.Sidney Poitier when he was awarded the fellowship. You are not just an
:20:48. > :20:50.actor, you are a writer and producer. What would you say to
:20:51. > :20:57.those young actors? You've been on this for a long time. I've been
:20:58. > :21:02.writing and directing in films before it was a hash tag on a
:21:03. > :21:09.T-shirt. It is the truth, man. Things have really moved on. You've
:21:10. > :21:16.got global superstars like John Boyega. It is opening massive doors.
:21:17. > :21:19.For young kids of all colours and classes, things are changing and
:21:20. > :21:24.they need to understand they are at the forefront of the change. People
:21:25. > :21:35.like me have done what we've done, much like what Sidney Poitier did
:21:36. > :21:43.what he did. As was said at the end of the film, that movie did not
:21:44. > :21:47.deliver the punch, are you under pressure to deliver things in a
:21:48. > :21:50.particular way? I don't think so, I write what I want to write and if
:21:51. > :21:54.people want to make it they make it. There are as many films on my laptop
:21:55. > :21:58.that have not been made as have been made. It is not about pressure. When
:21:59. > :22:02.I look at things I look at them with a kaleidoscope of colours because
:22:03. > :22:06.that is how I see them. I think that's the way forward for people to
:22:07. > :22:15.do that. You know what else does that? The level. Well done! Always
:22:16. > :22:25.brings it back. He's very good. You are grinning there. Lindsay and all
:22:26. > :22:29.may well be trying their hand at detective work but are a man is
:22:30. > :22:34.giving them a run for their money. Away from the mean inner-city
:22:35. > :22:47.streets there is drama and intrigue lurking in hedgerows. We have a lot
:22:48. > :22:52.of - hate relationship with Bramble. Blackberries are delicious but there
:22:53. > :22:58.covered in these nasty foreigners. There's a lot more going on in these
:22:59. > :23:03.bushes than meets the eye. They are far more exciting than you think.
:23:04. > :23:07.Bramble patches provide a great source of food and shelter, a
:23:08. > :23:12.setting for an unseen world of wildlife in the middle of our
:23:13. > :23:14.cities. We want to show the people of Bristol what really goes on
:23:15. > :23:21.behind the prickly fortresses they passed by everyday so we've brought
:23:22. > :23:27.down our cameraman with some gadgets to film the animals day and night.
:23:28. > :23:34.How are we going to film life in a bramble patch? It has not been a
:23:35. > :23:39.very nice place to be in. I've got scratched to bits. We came up with
:23:40. > :23:43.this solution which allows us to fly the camera into the bush. It makes
:23:44. > :23:53.life a little bit easier. Yes. Here we go. Into the Bramble. We are on a
:23:54. > :24:01.mission to persuade the locals that this is wildlife haven. Our cameras
:24:02. > :24:06.have already spotted snails and birds but what animals do these
:24:07. > :24:12.passers-by think could be in here? Wolves? I hope not! Those are some
:24:13. > :24:18.high expectations. But they are not too far from the truth. We've also
:24:19. > :24:25.raked specialist camera traps at night to capture images of the more
:24:26. > :24:34.elusive visitors. It is a relative of the Wolf, this fox is feasting on
:24:35. > :24:41.fruit outside the bush and there are other animals as well, a mouse and
:24:42. > :24:48.rabbit, seeking protection in the forums. Wild rabbits living in the
:24:49. > :24:52.city. Brambles are fast growers, gaining eight centimetres a day. New
:24:53. > :24:57.stems Tate Britain as they reach the ground, creating a protective
:24:58. > :25:02.prickly barrier for the smaller species that call the patch their
:25:03. > :25:12.home. We are using macro lenses to delve even deeper into this world.
:25:13. > :25:21.This bug senses the environment with its antenna. It is on the search for
:25:22. > :25:26.a tasty plant sap. It seems impossible for this snail to crawl
:25:27. > :25:29.on these stems but its fruit is coated in a thick slime that let
:25:30. > :25:40.that pass over even the sharpest of foreign is. Blackberry fruit is a
:25:41. > :25:48.favourite of this fly. You normally don't get to see bees colours. Too
:25:49. > :25:54.busy flicking them away. You don't actually appreciate what's around
:25:55. > :25:58.you. Spiders love ramble patches. The stems give them lots of places
:25:59. > :26:03.to spend their webs to catch unsuspecting insects and protect
:26:04. > :26:13.their eggs. How many spiders do you think are in this? 10,000? That is a
:26:14. > :26:19.fair estimate. I reckon there is probably nearer to half a million. A
:26:20. > :26:25.place like this is actually ideal for animals. It has been brilliant
:26:26. > :26:34.to see such a hive of activity in one small role of Bramble. Insects,
:26:35. > :26:39.birds, mammals, all call it their home. Spare a thought for the myriad
:26:40. > :26:46.of creatures that live their busy lives beyond The Hawthorns.
:26:47. > :26:52.Thank you for that effort to get those wonderful shots. That was a
:26:53. > :26:59.wonderful film. That is it for today. Thank you for our guests, Ken
:27:00. > :27:03.Bruce, Lindsay, Noel Clarke, and on tomorrow's sure, we're heading back
:27:04. > :27:08.to the boardroom. Lord Alan Sugar will be here. Two players out, it is
:27:09. > :27:26.a Ward Thomas with cartwheels. I give, I give,
:27:27. > :27:50.I give, you never take I bend, I bend, I bend,
:27:51. > :27:59.so we won't break I've been doing cartwheels
:28:00. > :28:01.Anything to save us Anything to make you notice me I've
:28:02. > :28:04.been running circles Always getting nowhere Putting
:28:05. > :28:06.on a show but you won't see I've been doing cartwheels I've
:28:07. > :28:27.been doing cartwheels After everything I've done
:28:28. > :28:30.You still run and disappear Maybe all I've got is hoping I can
:28:31. > :28:42.show you how it feels I've been doing cartwheels
:28:43. > :28:44.Anything to save us Always getting nowhere
:28:45. > :28:52.been running circles Putting
:28:53. > :28:55.on a show but you won't see I've been doing cartwheels
:28:56. > :29:14.I've been doing cartwheels I'm beside you at the mirror Hi,
:29:15. > :29:20.do I look familiar Enjoy exclusive access to some
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:29:25. > :29:31.live just for us.